Steve:
I suggest disabling this:
Mailing lists and other club-specific tools are coming, so for now you can email ¡°join [at] m17 [dot] club¡±.
I did so and did not get a response.
(Or, alternatively, feel free to rewrite that to send interested folks to this email list.)
Thanks,
Steve N8GNJ
On Jun 5, 2024 at 17:26:45, Steve KC1AWV via <smiller+groups= [email protected]> wrote:
The domain is held by the team, and was the beginning of efforts towards having an actual ARC aimed towards the proliferation of M17 and open source technologies for amateur radio.
if there¡¯s an interest to grow it, let me know!
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Steve KC1AWV
M17 Project
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I'm new to M17. I've just set up DroidStar for Android, and it works fine on DMR. So now I need to see if it works on M17.
A few questions:
--Is there an echo or parrot for M17?
--Is there a list of regularly scheduled nets?
--Is there an M17 interest group in the Pacific Northwest?
--
Bill
K7WFB
Seattle
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It's not really a forum or anything like that, it's more of a landing page for a possible ARC in the future. This SIG/UG is a better platform for those wishing to keep in touch with the Project and not need to use Discord or Matrix.
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Steve KC1AWV
M17 Project
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I'll join. :)
On 6/6/24 10:26 am, Steve KC1AWV via
groups.io wrote:
The domain is held by the team, and was the beginning of efforts
towards having an actual ARC aimed towards the proliferation of
M17 and open source technologies for amateur radio.
if there¡¯s an interest to grow it, let me know!
---
Steve KC1AWV
M17 Project
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73 de Tony VK3JED/VK3IRL
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There was a talk about using Codec2 on D-STAR several years ago at the
TAPR DCC conference.? I have seen the Powerpoint slides for that talk.?
However, any further discussion seems to have stopped since M17 arrived
on the scene.
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On 6/6/24 9:59 am, Peter Laws via groups.io wrote: *Emily Litella voice*
"All this talk about M17s. In my day M16s were good enough!"
"Hmm?"
"Oh. I see. Never mind."
Less seriously, I remember reading that there was a flag in the
D-STAR data stream that identified the CODEC in use. Clearly, this
might be of benefit to those of us who like D-STAR but don't care for
having to use DVSI's IP.
I realize that this does not mean "interoperability!" and that it
would effectively (I think) split D-STAR into "A" and "B" depending on
which CODEC was in use but it's still an interesting possibility.
Problem is, I can't find where that flag was discussed. I have dug up
some D-STAR docs (JARL, TAPR, et al) but not seeing a flag that says
"CODEC".
This beeping any beepers with anyone?
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73 de Tony VK3JED/VK3IRL
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Re: M17 (Wide Area) repeaters?
The RB board will work fine on M17, if
you are running up to date firmware.? I have one here that I use
for M17Client, which has been tested in my repeater setup.? Looks
like the Bridgecom repeater should work on M17.
On 6/6/24 9:33 am, Ben Kuhn via
groups.io wrote:
Hi Steve,
Bridgecom sells an MMDVM upgrade for their repeaters
that looks to be based on the same Repeaterbuilder MMDVM board I
have been experimenting with.? I can't confirm M17 runs on it,
*yet* but I do know the firmware with M17 will build and
install.
73,
Ben KU0HN
-------- Original Message --------
On 6/5/24 5:36 PM, Steve Stroh wrote:
A primary reason that I consider M17 now
viable is that it¡¯s possible to build a repeater for use
by M17.
I first realized that from this mention of
building an MMDVM repeater, which was capable of M17:
And later there was this proof of concept -
the?W6CX-DV -- MultiMode Digital Voice Repeater which I
discussed here:
Are there other examples of MMDVM-based
repeaters, or repeaters that are only M17?
Again, I¡¯m aware of ¡°hotspot¡± repeaters /
nodes. What I¡¯m looking for is wide area repeaters that
we would typically use for FM, DMR, D-Star, SF, P-25,
etc.
Thanks,
Steve N8GNJ
--
Steve Stroh N8GNJ (he / him / his)
Editor
Zero Retries Newsletter -
Radios are Computers - With Antennas!
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73 de Tony VK3JED/VK3IRL
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Re: M17 (Wide Area) repeaters?
VK3RCQ is operational, around 10km east
of Bendigo, Australia.
I run VK3RIR.? Currently on a dummy
load until I get the antenna and paperwork sorted, then it will go
live.? Both are multimode repeaters (including M17).?
On 6/6/24 8:36 am, Steve Stroh via
groups.io wrote:
A primary reason that I consider M17 now viable is
that it¡¯s possible to build a repeater for use by M17.
I first realized that from this mention of
building an MMDVM repeater, which was capable of M17:
And later there was this proof of concept -
the?W6CX-DV -- MultiMode Digital Voice Repeater which I
discussed here:
Are there other examples of MMDVM-based
repeaters, or repeaters that are only M17?
Again, I¡¯m aware of ¡°hotspot¡± repeaters / nodes.
What I¡¯m looking for is wide area repeaters that we would
typically use for FM, DMR, D-Star, SF, P-25, etc.
Thanks,
Steve N8GNJ
--
Steve Stroh N8GNJ (he / him / his)
Editor
Zero Retries Newsletter -
Radios are Computers - With Antennas!
--
73 de Tony VK3JED/VK3IRL
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First I've heard of this.? I'll take a
look, though if it's a web forum, I'll find this list a better
medium to work with.
On 6/6/24 8:24 am, Steve Stroh via
groups.io wrote:
I just discovered this¡
The premier M17 Amateur Radio Club
Where the M17 Project is largely centered around
development of the protocol and implementations of it, the
M17 Amateur Radio Club (ARC) is a user group focused
specifically on encouraging and supporting the spread of M17
repeaters, mobiles, handhelds, and all other use of the
protocol.
That sounds a lot like the mission of this email
list.
Anyone know anything about this?
Thanks,
Steve N8GNJ
--
Steve Stroh N8GNJ (he / him / his)
Editor
Zero Retries Newsletter -
Radios are Computers - With Antennas!
--
73 de Tony VK3JED/VK3IRL
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Haha well, if that happened, I would be
interested in one.? Will have to try and get more locals
interested as well.
On 5/6/24 10:06 pm, Steve KC1AWV via
groups.io wrote:
Hey, if it comes down to it, we can order a bunch and send them to
Austria.
*ahem* I mean Australia.
---
Steve KC1AWV
M17 Project
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73 de Tony VK3JED/VK3IRL
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Appendix H in the spec defines KISS parameters and use in M17, which would give anyone interested in developing a TNC or program for M17 data a huge start.
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Steve KC1AWV
M17 Project
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The domain is held by the team, and was the beginning of efforts towards having an actual ARC aimed towards the proliferation of M17 and open source technologies for amateur radio.
if there¡¯s an interest to grow it, let me know!
---
Steve KC1AWV
M17 Project
|
Re: M17 (Wide Area) repeaters?
If the MMDVM firmware is version 1.6.0 or greater, I can guarantee it will work on a Bridgecom repeater. I have one at the lab that works flawlessly.
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Steve KC1AWV
M17 Project
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*Emily Litella voice*
"All this talk about M17s. In my day M16s were good enough!"
"Hmm?"
"Oh. I see. Never mind."
Less seriously, I remember reading that there was a flag in the
D-STAR data stream that identified the CODEC in use. Clearly, this
might be of benefit to those of us who like D-STAR but don't care for
having to use DVSI's IP.
I realize that this does not mean "interoperability!" and that it
would effectively (I think) split D-STAR into "A" and "B" depending on
which CODEC was in use but it's still an interesting possibility.
Problem is, I can't find where that flag was discussed. I have dug up
some D-STAR docs (JARL, TAPR, et al) but not seeing a flag that says
"CODEC".
This beeping any beepers with anyone?
--
Peter Laws | VE[23]UWY / N5UWY | plaws0 gmail com | Travel by Train!
|
Re: M17 (Wide Area) repeaters?
Hi Steve,
Bridgecom sells an MMDVM upgrade for their repeaters that looks to be based on the same Repeaterbuilder MMDVM board I have been experimenting with.? I can't confirm M17 runs on it, *yet* but I do know the firmware with M17 will build and install.
https://www.bridgecomsystems.com/products/mmdvm
73,
Ben KU0HN
-------- Original Message -------- On 6/5/24 5:36 PM, Steve Stroh wrote: A primary reason that I consider M17 now viable is that it¡¯s possible to build a repeater for use by M17.
I first realized that from this mention of building an MMDVM repeater, which was capable of M17:
And later there was this proof of concept - the?W6CX-DV -- MultiMode Digital Voice Repeater which I discussed here:
Are there other examples of MMDVM-based repeaters, or repeaters that are only M17?
Again, I¡¯m aware of ¡°hotspot¡± repeaters / nodes. What I¡¯m looking for is wide area repeaters that we would typically use for FM, DMR, D-Star, SF, P-25, etc.
Thanks,
Steve N8GNJ
-- Steve Stroh N8GNJ (he / him / his) Editor Zero Retries Newsletter - Radios are Computers - With Antennas!
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I support your idea, Steve. Voice repeaters are silent.... Data is the way to go. Adopting would be much easier if direwolf software could be used as a TNC for M17 Packet mode. I already opened an enhancement ticket in their Git Hub.
El mi¨¦, 5 jun 2024 a la(s) 7:40?p.m., Steve Stroh via (steve.stroh= [email protected]) escribi¨®: I think that upgrading (or creating from scratch) a wide-area repeater to do ¡°just another digital voice mode¡± (especially one that has only a few radio options available) will be a challenging request for a lot of groups.
But, if an M17 was able to do messaging and / or data (as in file transfers), that would provide additional incentive to do such an upgrade.
I¡¯m hoping that the (development in progress) MMDVM-TNC data mode becomes a reality and provides such a justification for upgrading / creating from scratch a repeater based on MMDVM, but having that capability in M17 would be great.
So, can anyone point me to a writeup or video that discusses messaging and data in M17?
Thanks,
Steve N8GNJ
-- Steve Stroh N8GNJ (he / him / his) Editor Zero Retries Newsletter - Radios are Computers - With Antennas!
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I think that upgrading (or creating from scratch) a wide-area repeater to do ¡°just another digital voice mode¡± (especially one that has only a few radio options available) will be a challenging request for a lot of groups.
But, if an M17 was able to do messaging and / or data (as in file transfers), that would provide additional incentive to do such an upgrade.
I¡¯m hoping that the (development in progress) MMDVM-TNC data mode becomes a reality and provides such a justification for upgrading / creating from scratch a repeater based on MMDVM, but having that capability in M17 would be great.
So, can anyone point me to a writeup or video that discusses messaging and data in M17?
Thanks,
Steve N8GNJ
-- Steve Stroh N8GNJ (he / him / his) Editor Zero Retries Newsletter - Radios are Computers - With Antennas!
|
M17 (Wide Area) repeaters?
A primary reason that I consider M17 now viable is that it¡¯s possible to build a repeater for use by M17.
I first realized that from this mention of building an MMDVM repeater, which was capable of M17:
And later there was this proof of concept - the?W6CX-DV -- MultiMode Digital Voice Repeater which I discussed here:
Are there other examples of MMDVM-based repeaters, or repeaters that are only M17?
Again, I¡¯m aware of ¡°hotspot¡± repeaters / nodes. What I¡¯m looking for is wide area repeaters that we would typically use for FM, DMR, D-Star, SF, P-25, etc.
Thanks,
Steve N8GNJ
-- Steve Stroh N8GNJ (he / him / his) Editor Zero Retries Newsletter - Radios are Computers - With Antennas!
|
I just discovered this¡
The premier M17 Amateur Radio Club
Where the M17 Project is largely centered around development of the protocol and implementations of it, the M17 Amateur Radio Club (ARC) is a user group focused specifically on encouraging and supporting the spread of M17 repeaters, mobiles, handhelds, and all other use of the protocol.
That sounds a lot like the mission of this email list.
Anyone know anything about this?
Thanks,
Steve N8GNJ
-- Steve Stroh N8GNJ (he / him / his) Editor Zero Retries Newsletter - Radios are Computers - With Antennas!
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Hi. I¡¯m Chip, W0CHP.
I¡¯m a M17 Project developer/sysadmin and board member, and I¡¯m also the founder/principal author-developer/BDFL of the .
Ben, KU0HN, is my literal neighbor; and Steve, KC1AWV, also of the M17 Project¡is a close friend.?
I simply have too much equipment to list. ;-)
73,
W0CHP?
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Hello, This is Ben KU0HN.
As far as M17 hardware I have:
1 MMDVM RPi hat hotspot running WPSD
2 MMDVM Pi hat modems.? These are both a work-in-progress.? One will be connected to a Kenwood TK-790.? The other to a pair of TK-880s for a repeater.? I've been mostly using DMR as my test mode for these and have had various struggles.? I just did some late spring shack cleaning and hope to get back to them shortly.
Several Mobilinkds and NucleoTNCs with the M17 firmware.? I have tested this with a TK-790.
1 TYT MD-390 at a friend's place right now for the hardware mod.? He used to solder little stuff like that professionally so he is less likely to screw it up than I am.
I also have a few SDRs laying around.? I really appreciate Tony's mention of SDR++ for setting deviation.? That's something I have struggled with using GQRX with a HackRFOne or RTL-SDR so I'll have to give it a try.
73 all
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Steve KC1AWV
Peter Laws
W0CHP - Chip