Repeater Builder RB_STM32_DVM V4 supports M17
I just clarified in an email with Scott Zimmerman N3XCC of Repeater Builder, that their version of MMDVM, which they call RB_STM32_DVM V4 (latest) - does support all the same modes as the current MMDVM firmware:
D-Star DMR System Fusion P25 NXDN M17 POCSAG AX.25 FM
IE, it’s just another MMDVM device.
The current verbiage on that web page omits M17 POCSAG AX.25
But those modes are?supported by the V4 hardware, assuming the version of firmware loaded onto the unit is the latest.
Thus, there is “repeater grade” hardware, and more importantly documentation and support, available to add MMDVM support to many / most Amateur Radio FM repeater systems.
This is really good news for breathing life into tired old, increasingly unused Amateur Radio FM repeaters.
Thanks,
Steve N8GNJ
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That's fabulous and great for all of us: users and otherwise.
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I'm in the PNW now. Just moved to Port Orchard. Get to work on ham radio stuff full time now. Will need to catch up on the state of the world.
Rob WX9O
Bill:
At the moment, you and I are the PNW interest group for M17 (as far as I’m aware). I’m in Bellingham.
I tried to stir up some interest in M17 (via the possibility of a repeater running MMDVM) at one of the Amateur Radio clubs in the Seattle area, but I was completely ignored. (They’ll remain nameless.)
One of my plans is for a PR campaign on behalf of M17 to the various clubs that sponsor repeaters in the Seattle area to suggest adding MMDVM to their repeaters.
I hope to do that in time for the “easy mountaintop repeater servicing season” before the snow starts flying in the Fall.
But there are a lot of other things I have to work on before then.
Thanks,
Steve N8GNJ
I'm new to M17. I've just set up DroidStar for Android, and it works fine on DMR. So now I need to see if it works on M17.
A few questions:
--Is there an echo or parrot for M17?
--Is there a list of regularly scheduled nets?
--Is there an M17 interest group in the Pacific Northwest?
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Bill
K7WFB
Seattle
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I'm in the PNW now. Just moved to Port Orchard. Get to work on ham radio stuff full time now. Will need to catch up on the state of the world.
Rob WX9O
Bill:
At the moment, you and I are the PNW interest group for M17 (as far as I’m aware). I’m in Bellingham.
I tried to stir up some interest in M17 (via the possibility of a repeater running MMDVM) at one of the Amateur Radio clubs in the Seattle area, but I was completely ignored. (They’ll remain nameless.)
One of my plans is for a PR campaign on behalf of M17 to the various clubs that sponsor repeaters in the Seattle area to suggest adding MMDVM to their repeaters.
I hope to do that in time for the “easy mountaintop repeater servicing season” before the snow starts flying in the Fall.
But there are a lot of other things I have to work on before then.
Thanks,
Steve N8GNJ
I'm new to M17. I've just set up DroidStar for Android, and it works fine on DMR. So now I need to see if it works on M17.
A few questions:
--Is there an echo or parrot for M17?
--Is there a list of regularly scheduled nets?
--Is there an M17 interest group in the Pacific Northwest?
--
Bill
K7WFB
Seattle
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Bill:
At the moment, you and I are the PNW interest group for M17 (as far as I’m aware). I’m in Bellingham.
I tried to stir up some interest in M17 (via the possibility of a repeater running MMDVM) at one of the Amateur Radio clubs in the Seattle area, but I was completely ignored. (They’ll remain nameless.)
One of my plans is for a PR campaign on behalf of M17 to the various clubs that sponsor repeaters in the Seattle area to suggest adding MMDVM to their repeaters.
I hope to do that in time for the “easy mountaintop repeater servicing season” before the snow starts flying in the Fall.
But there are a lot of other things I have to work on before then.
Thanks,
Steve N8GNJ
I'm new to M17. I've just set up DroidStar for Android, and it works fine on DMR. So now I need to see if it works on M17.
A few questions:
--Is there an echo or parrot for M17?
--Is there a list of regularly scheduled nets?
--Is there an M17 interest group in the Pacific Northwest?
--
Bill
K7WFB
Seattle
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Re: M17 Calendar of events
When we eventually graduate to the paid version of , yes.
Until then, no. That’s not a feature of the free version we’re currently using.
On Jun 6, 2024 at 13:03:43, Steve KC1AWV via <smiller+groups= [email protected]> wrote:
Is there a possibility of adding in a calendar to this group for events? It would be great to have a location to put in things like nets and M17 in-person events.
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Steve KC1AWV
M17 Project
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Is there a possibility of adding in a calendar to this group for events? It would be great to have a location to put in things like nets and M17 in-person events.
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Steve KC1AWV
M17 Project
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A - Not on a reflector. There is one built into WPSD, but you'll need a radio to use it.
2 - The M17-M17 reflector holds one on module C at 1700 UTC on Fridays. The M17-OKC reflector holds one on module A at 1700 UTC on Saturdays. If you'd like to run a net, let me know and I can start an M17 net calendar!
D - There is a PNW channel on the M17 Discord server, but there hasn't been a lot of activity there. Mt. Diablo (MDARC) has expressed significant interest in M17, and we're looking to have a table at Pacificon this year again.
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Steve KC1AWV
M17 Project
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Steve:
I suggest disabling this:
Mailing lists and other club-specific tools are coming, so for now you can email “join [at] m17 [dot] club”.
I did so and did not get a response.
(Or, alternatively, feel free to rewrite that to send interested folks to this email list.)
Thanks,
Steve N8GNJ
On Jun 5, 2024 at 17:26:45, Steve KC1AWV via <smiller+groups= [email protected]> wrote:
The domain is held by the team, and was the beginning of efforts towards having an actual ARC aimed towards the proliferation of M17 and open source technologies for amateur radio.
if there’s an interest to grow it, let me know!
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Steve KC1AWV
M17 Project
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I'm new to M17. I've just set up DroidStar for Android, and it works fine on DMR. So now I need to see if it works on M17.
A few questions:
--Is there an echo or parrot for M17?
--Is there a list of regularly scheduled nets?
--Is there an M17 interest group in the Pacific Northwest?
--
Bill
K7WFB
Seattle
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It's not really a forum or anything like that, it's more of a landing page for a possible ARC in the future. This SIG/UG is a better platform for those wishing to keep in touch with the Project and not need to use Discord or Matrix.
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Steve KC1AWV
M17 Project
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I'll join. :)
On 6/6/24 10:26 am, Steve KC1AWV via
groups.io wrote:
The domain is held by the team, and was the beginning of efforts
towards having an actual ARC aimed towards the proliferation of
M17 and open source technologies for amateur radio.
if there’s an interest to grow it, let me know!
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Steve KC1AWV
M17 Project
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73 de Tony VK3JED/VK3IRL
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There was a talk about using Codec2 on D-STAR several years ago at the
TAPR DCC conference.? I have seen the Powerpoint slides for that talk.?
However, any further discussion seems to have stopped since M17 arrived
on the scene.
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On 6/6/24 9:59 am, Peter Laws via groups.io wrote: *Emily Litella voice*
"All this talk about M17s. In my day M16s were good enough!"
"Hmm?"
"Oh. I see. Never mind."
Less seriously, I remember reading that there was a flag in the
D-STAR data stream that identified the CODEC in use. Clearly, this
might be of benefit to those of us who like D-STAR but don't care for
having to use DVSI's IP.
I realize that this does not mean "interoperability!" and that it
would effectively (I think) split D-STAR into "A" and "B" depending on
which CODEC was in use but it's still an interesting possibility.
Problem is, I can't find where that flag was discussed. I have dug up
some D-STAR docs (JARL, TAPR, et al) but not seeing a flag that says
"CODEC".
This beeping any beepers with anyone?
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73 de Tony VK3JED/VK3IRL
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Re: M17 (Wide Area) repeaters?
The RB board will work fine on M17, if
you are running up to date firmware.? I have one here that I use
for M17Client, which has been tested in my repeater setup.? Looks
like the Bridgecom repeater should work on M17.
On 6/6/24 9:33 am, Ben Kuhn via
groups.io wrote:
Hi Steve,
Bridgecom sells an MMDVM upgrade for their repeaters
that looks to be based on the same Repeaterbuilder MMDVM board I
have been experimenting with.? I can't confirm M17 runs on it,
*yet* but I do know the firmware with M17 will build and
install.
73,
Ben KU0HN
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On 6/5/24 5:36 PM, Steve Stroh wrote:
A primary reason that I consider M17 now
viable is that it’s possible to build a repeater for use
by M17.
I first realized that from this mention of
building an MMDVM repeater, which was capable of M17:
And later there was this proof of concept -
the?W6CX-DV -- MultiMode Digital Voice Repeater which I
discussed here:
Are there other examples of MMDVM-based
repeaters, or repeaters that are only M17?
Again, I’m aware of “hotspot” repeaters /
nodes. What I’m looking for is wide area repeaters that
we would typically use for FM, DMR, D-Star, SF, P-25,
etc.
Thanks,
Steve N8GNJ
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Steve Stroh N8GNJ (he / him / his)
Editor
Zero Retries Newsletter -
Radios are Computers - With Antennas!
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73 de Tony VK3JED/VK3IRL
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Re: M17 (Wide Area) repeaters?
VK3RCQ is operational, around 10km east
of Bendigo, Australia.
I run VK3RIR.? Currently on a dummy
load until I get the antenna and paperwork sorted, then it will go
live.? Both are multimode repeaters (including M17).?
On 6/6/24 8:36 am, Steve Stroh via
groups.io wrote:
A primary reason that I consider M17 now viable is
that it’s possible to build a repeater for use by M17.
I first realized that from this mention of
building an MMDVM repeater, which was capable of M17:
And later there was this proof of concept -
the?W6CX-DV -- MultiMode Digital Voice Repeater which I
discussed here:
Are there other examples of MMDVM-based
repeaters, or repeaters that are only M17?
Again, I’m aware of “hotspot” repeaters / nodes.
What I’m looking for is wide area repeaters that we would
typically use for FM, DMR, D-Star, SF, P-25, etc.
Thanks,
Steve N8GNJ
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Steve Stroh N8GNJ (he / him / his)
Editor
Zero Retries Newsletter -
Radios are Computers - With Antennas!
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73 de Tony VK3JED/VK3IRL
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First I've heard of this.? I'll take a
look, though if it's a web forum, I'll find this list a better
medium to work with.
On 6/6/24 8:24 am, Steve Stroh via
groups.io wrote:
I just discovered this…
The premier M17 Amateur Radio Club
Where the M17 Project is largely centered around
development of the protocol and implementations of it, the
M17 Amateur Radio Club (ARC) is a user group focused
specifically on encouraging and supporting the spread of M17
repeaters, mobiles, handhelds, and all other use of the
protocol.
That sounds a lot like the mission of this email
list.
Anyone know anything about this?
Thanks,
Steve N8GNJ
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Steve Stroh N8GNJ (he / him / his)
Editor
Zero Retries Newsletter -
Radios are Computers - With Antennas!
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73 de Tony VK3JED/VK3IRL
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Haha well, if that happened, I would be
interested in one.? Will have to try and get more locals
interested as well.
On 5/6/24 10:06 pm, Steve KC1AWV via
groups.io wrote:
Hey, if it comes down to it, we can order a bunch and send them to
Austria.
*ahem* I mean Australia.
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Steve KC1AWV
M17 Project
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73 de Tony VK3JED/VK3IRL
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Appendix H in the spec defines KISS parameters and use in M17, which would give anyone interested in developing a TNC or program for M17 data a huge start.
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Steve KC1AWV
M17 Project
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The domain is held by the team, and was the beginning of efforts towards having an actual ARC aimed towards the proliferation of M17 and open source technologies for amateur radio.
if there’s an interest to grow it, let me know!
---
Steve KC1AWV
M17 Project
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Re: M17 (Wide Area) repeaters?
If the MMDVM firmware is version 1.6.0 or greater, I can guarantee it will work on a Bridgecom repeater. I have one at the lab that works flawlessly.
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Steve KC1AWV
M17 Project
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*Emily Litella voice*
"All this talk about M17s. In my day M16s were good enough!"
"Hmm?"
"Oh. I see. Never mind."
Less seriously, I remember reading that there was a flag in the
D-STAR data stream that identified the CODEC in use. Clearly, this
might be of benefit to those of us who like D-STAR but don't care for
having to use DVSI's IP.
I realize that this does not mean "interoperability!" and that it
would effectively (I think) split D-STAR into "A" and "B" depending on
which CODEC was in use but it's still an interesting possibility.
Problem is, I can't find where that flag was discussed. I have dug up
some D-STAR docs (JARL, TAPR, et al) but not seeing a flag that says
"CODEC".
This beeping any beepers with anyone?
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Peter Laws | VE[23]UWY / N5UWY | plaws0 gmail com | Travel by Train!
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Steve KC1AWV
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