Re: Friday Five February 23
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Balancing the national budget
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Hahaham and what would that be?
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El viernes, 23 de febrero de 2024, 15:06:18 ART, mrvnchpmn <chapman@...> escribió:
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No problem.? On another note - what do you think of your new president - apparently he has done what no American president has done in thirty years.
Marvin
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My appologies, it was Marvin, not David, who's answer I was quoting and sharing.
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El viernes, 23 de febrero de 2024, 14:08:53 ART, David Smith <dvdcsmth@...> escribió:
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No, I seldom answer these, Marvin, and I haven't this time. ?Perhaps my best excuse is that I see them as questions, and my ignorance on everything is profound. ?Darrell has said, as I recall, that he regards them a stepping stones to wider musing, but I'm a hopeless literalist. ?Also, what people in Internet groups seem usually to become most exercised about seems to be what's hot in "the news", the things that people have become convinced that they understand because they've seen them or heard them talked about by talking heads. ?I understand that that is a natural phenomenon, but I wish it weren't. ?Bah humbug.
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On Feb 23, 2024, at 11:40, mrvnchpmn <chapman@...> wrote:
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Actually I think I gave the answer to #2 - rhough David may have also.
Butr I think it s the big one.
Marvin
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I'm going with some of the answers other gave before me:
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By Darrel:
1.? Are you concerned about the death of Alexy Navaly in a Russian prison camp at the age of 47 - he survived an assassination attempt with poison before.
????"Concerned" means "worried" to me. I am not worried about it. I am sad that he was cornered and executed, but I am also a bit flabbergasted?that he undertook such a hazardous life mission and remained within the grasp of the dictator he opposed. I respect his commitment to his values,?though. I hope he has achieve both martyrdom and that his fate serves as a warning to others of his ilk.
By David:
2.? What was the greatest chimera of the 20th century?
????The menace of international Communism - what actually happened was a bunch of nationalistic movements
By Celeste:
3.? Are you concerned about the Russian threat to use nuclear weapons on western allies if they are losing in the war in Ukraine????
????I'm not too worried. Russia would most likely lose that fight and they know it.
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Anabel: And I'll add: having lived the cold war and the fall of the Wall, Russia is not the threat, but those independent terrorists doing other dangerous and more easy things, like poisoning water supply, hacking central services, etc.
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By Celeste:
4.? What are you planning to do for St Patricks Day?
????Enjoying a nice Sunday at home.
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Finally, my own answer:
5.? Is your local economy improving, falling, or remaining the same?
In Argentina economy has been falling for many years now (no matter what you read in the papers). New government is trying to implement many changes, but, if the pull through, those will impact in a not too near future.?
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El jueves, 22 de febrero de 2024, 23:34:13 ART, Darrell King <darrellgking@...> escribió:
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1.? Are you concerned about the death of Alexy Navaly in a Russian prison camp at the age of 47 - he survived an assassination attempt with poison before.
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"Concerned" means "worried" to me. I am not worried about it. I am sad that he was cornered and executed, but I am also a bit flabbergasted?that he undertook such a hazardous life mission and remained within the grasp of the dictator he opposed. I respect his commitment to his values,?though. I hope he has achieve both martyrdom and that his fate serves as a warning to others of his ilk.
2.? What was the greatest chimera of the 20th century?
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No one stands out. Perhaps the idea that the charge toward the precipice of widespread social collapse is only a pipe dream. Or pipe nightmare. Change is inevitable, but we are gifted with symbol-using minds that allow us to predict potential futures before we have to actually have to live them.
3.? Are you concerned about the Russian threat to use nuclear weapons on western allies if they are losing in the war in Ukraine?
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I expect it and have brought it up on?occasion over the past year, even in this exercise if I remember right. If Putin loses in Ukraine, loses his hold on Russia, his own life is likely forfeit. I am sure he is grooming many contingency plans and I am sure battlefield nukes are involved in some of them. I have some concerns around this.
4.? What are you planning to do for St Patrick's Day?
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Not even sure where in the States I will be or what the state of the world will be, but probably the usual: TV, computer, Kindle. Under the right circumstances, a pint.
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5.? Is your local economy improving, falling, or remaining the same?
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I am currently?parked in SE Texas and they seem to be doing?okay. I cannot say I have delved very deeply, though!
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Re: Friday Five February 23
Hahaham and what would that be?
El viernes, 23 de febrero de 2024, 15:06:18 ART, mrvnchpmn <chapman@...> escribió:
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No problem.? On another note - what do you think of your new president - apparently he has done what no American president has done in thirty years.
Marvin
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My appologies, it was Marvin, not David, who's answer I was quoting and sharing.
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El viernes, 23 de febrero de 2024, 14:08:53 ART, David Smith <dvdcsmth@...> escribió:
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No, I seldom answer these, Marvin, and I haven't this time. ?Perhaps my best excuse is that I see them as questions, and my ignorance on everything is profound. ?Darrell has said, as I recall, that he regards them a stepping stones to wider musing, but I'm a hopeless literalist. ?Also, what people in Internet groups seem usually to become most exercised about seems to be what's hot in "the news", the things that people have become convinced that they understand because they've seen them or heard them talked about by talking heads. ?I understand that that is a natural phenomenon, but I wish it weren't. ?Bah humbug.
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On Feb 23, 2024, at 11:40, mrvnchpmn <chapman@...> wrote:
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Actually I think I gave the answer to #2 - rhough David may have also.
Butr I think it s the big one.
Marvin
?
I'm going with some of the answers other gave before me:
?
By Darrel:
1.? Are you concerned about the death of Alexy Navaly in a Russian prison camp at the age of 47 - he survived an assassination attempt with poison before.
????"Concerned" means "worried" to me. I am not worried about it. I am sad that he was cornered and executed, but I am also a bit flabbergasted?that he undertook such a hazardous life mission and remained within the grasp of the dictator he opposed. I respect his commitment to his values,?though. I hope he has achieve both martyrdom and that his fate serves as a warning to others of his ilk.
By David:
2.? What was the greatest chimera of the 20th century?
????The menace of international Communism - what actually happened was a bunch of nationalistic movements
By Celeste:
3.? Are you concerned about the Russian threat to use nuclear weapons on western allies if they are losing in the war in Ukraine????
????I'm not too worried. Russia would most likely lose that fight and they know it.
?
Anabel: And I'll add: having lived the cold war and the fall of the Wall, Russia is not the threat, but those independent terrorists doing other dangerous and more easy things, like poisoning water supply, hacking central services, etc.
?
By Celeste:
4.? What are you planning to do for St Patricks Day?
????Enjoying a nice Sunday at home.
?
Finally, my own answer:
5.? Is your local economy improving, falling, or remaining the same?
In Argentina economy has been falling for many years now (no matter what you read in the papers). New government is trying to implement many changes, but, if the pull through, those will impact in a not too near future.?
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El jueves, 22 de febrero de 2024, 23:34:13 ART, Darrell King <darrellgking@...> escribió:
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1.? Are you concerned about the death of Alexy Navaly in a Russian prison camp at the age of 47 - he survived an assassination attempt with poison before.
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"Concerned" means "worried" to me. I am not worried about it. I am sad that he was cornered and executed, but I am also a bit flabbergasted?that he undertook such a hazardous life mission and remained within the grasp of the dictator he opposed. I respect his commitment to his values,?though. I hope he has achieve both martyrdom and that his fate serves as a warning to others of his ilk.
2.? What was the greatest chimera of the 20th century?
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No one stands out. Perhaps the idea that the charge toward the precipice of widespread social collapse is only a pipe dream. Or pipe nightmare. Change is inevitable, but we are gifted with symbol-using minds that allow us to predict potential futures before we have to actually have to live them.
3.? Are you concerned about the Russian threat to use nuclear weapons on western allies if they are losing in the war in Ukraine?
?
I expect it and have brought it up on?occasion over the past year, even in this exercise if I remember right. If Putin loses in Ukraine, loses his hold on Russia, his own life is likely forfeit. I am sure he is grooming many contingency plans and I am sure battlefield nukes are involved in some of them. I have some concerns around this.
4.? What are you planning to do for St Patrick's Day?
?
Not even sure where in the States I will be or what the state of the world will be, but probably the usual: TV, computer, Kindle. Under the right circumstances, a pint.
?
5.? Is your local economy improving, falling, or remaining the same?
?
I am currently?parked in SE Texas and they seem to be doing?okay. I cannot say I have delved very deeply, though!
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Re: Friday Five February 23
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No problem.? On another note - what do you think of your new president - apparently he has done what no American president has done in thirty years.
Marvin
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My appologies, it was Marvin, not David, who's answer I was quoting and sharing.
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El viernes, 23 de febrero de 2024, 14:08:53 ART, David Smith <dvdcsmth@...> escribió:
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No, I seldom answer these, Marvin, and I haven't this time. ?Perhaps my best excuse is that I see them as questions, and my ignorance on everything is profound. ?Darrell has said, as I recall, that he regards them a stepping stones to wider musing, but I'm a hopeless literalist. ?Also, what people in Internet groups seem usually to become most exercised about seems to be what's hot in "the news", the things that people have become convinced that they understand because they've seen them or heard them talked about by talking heads. ?I understand that that is a natural phenomenon, but I wish it weren't. ?Bah humbug.
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On Feb 23, 2024, at 11:40, mrvnchpmn <chapman@...> wrote:
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Actually I think I gave the answer to #2 - rhough David may have also.
Butr I think it s the big one.
Marvin
?
I'm going with some of the answers other gave before me:
?
By Darrel:
1.? Are you concerned about the death of Alexy Navaly in a Russian prison camp at the age of 47 - he survived an assassination attempt with poison before.
????"Concerned" means "worried" to me. I am not worried about it. I am sad that he was cornered and executed, but I am also a bit flabbergasted?that he undertook such a hazardous life mission and remained within the grasp of the dictator he opposed. I respect his commitment to his values,?though. I hope he has achieve both martyrdom and that his fate serves as a warning to others of his ilk.
By David:
2.? What was the greatest chimera of the 20th century?
????The menace of international Communism - what actually happened was a bunch of nationalistic movements
By Celeste:
3.? Are you concerned about the Russian threat to use nuclear weapons on western allies if they are losing in the war in Ukraine????
????I'm not too worried. Russia would most likely lose that fight and they know it.
?
Anabel: And I'll add: having lived the cold war and the fall of the Wall, Russia is not the threat, but those independent terrorists doing other dangerous and more easy things, like poisoning water supply, hacking central services, etc.
?
By Celeste:
4.? What are you planning to do for St Patricks Day?
????Enjoying a nice Sunday at home.
?
Finally, my own answer:
5.? Is your local economy improving, falling, or remaining the same?
In Argentina economy has been falling for many years now (no matter what you read in the papers). New government is trying to implement many changes, but, if the pull through, those will impact in a not too near future.?
?
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El jueves, 22 de febrero de 2024, 23:34:13 ART, Darrell King <darrellgking@...> escribió:
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1.? Are you concerned about the death of Alexy Navaly in a Russian prison camp at the age of 47 - he survived an assassination attempt with poison before.
?
"Concerned" means "worried" to me. I am not worried about it. I am sad that he was cornered and executed, but I am also a bit flabbergasted?that he undertook such a hazardous life mission and remained within the grasp of the dictator he opposed. I respect his commitment to his values,?though. I hope he has achieve both martyrdom and that his fate serves as a warning to others of his ilk.
2.? What was the greatest chimera of the 20th century?
?
No one stands out. Perhaps the idea that the charge toward the precipice of widespread social collapse is only a pipe dream. Or pipe nightmare. Change is inevitable, but we are gifted with symbol-using minds that allow us to predict potential futures before we have to actually have to live them.
3.? Are you concerned about the Russian threat to use nuclear weapons on western allies if they are losing in the war in Ukraine?
?
I expect it and have brought it up on?occasion over the past year, even in this exercise if I remember right. If Putin loses in Ukraine, loses his hold on Russia, his own life is likely forfeit. I am sure he is grooming many contingency plans and I am sure battlefield nukes are involved in some of them. I have some concerns around this.
4.? What are you planning to do for St Patrick's Day?
?
Not even sure where in the States I will be or what the state of the world will be, but probably the usual: TV, computer, Kindle. Under the right circumstances, a pint.
?
5.? Is your local economy improving, falling, or remaining the same?
?
I am currently?parked in SE Texas and they seem to be doing?okay. I cannot say I have delved very deeply, though!
?
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Re: Friday Five February 23
My appologies, it was Marvin, not David, who's answer I was quoting and sharing.
El viernes, 23 de febrero de 2024, 14:08:53 ART, David Smith <dvdcsmth@...> escribió:
No, I seldom answer these, Marvin, and I haven't this time. ?Perhaps my best excuse is that I see them as questions, and my ignorance on everything is profound. ?Darrell has said, as I recall, that he regards them a stepping stones to wider musing, but I'm a hopeless literalist. ?Also, what people in Internet groups seem usually to become most exercised about seems to be what's hot in "the news", the things that people have become convinced that they understand because they've seen them or heard them talked about by talking heads. ?I understand that that is a natural phenomenon, but I wish it weren't. ?Bah humbug.
On Feb 23, 2024, at 11:40, mrvnchpmn <chapman@...> wrote:
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Actually I think I gave the answer to #2 - rhough David may have also.
Butr I think it s the big one.
Marvin
?
I'm going with some of the answers other gave before me:
?
By Darrel:
1.? Are you concerned about the death of Alexy Navaly in a Russian prison camp at the age of 47 - he survived an assassination attempt with poison before.
????"Concerned" means "worried" to me. I am not worried about it. I am sad that he was cornered and executed, but I am also a bit flabbergasted?that he undertook such a hazardous life mission and remained within the grasp of the dictator he opposed. I respect his commitment to his values,?though. I hope he has achieve both martyrdom and that his fate serves as a warning to others of his ilk.
By David:
2.? What was the greatest chimera of the 20th century?
????The menace of international Communism - what actually happened was a bunch of nationalistic movements
By Celeste:
3.? Are you concerned about the Russian threat to use nuclear weapons on western allies if they are losing in the war in Ukraine????
????I'm not too worried. Russia would most likely lose that fight and they know it.
?
Anabel: And I'll add: having lived the cold war and the fall of the Wall, Russia is not the threat, but those independent terrorists doing other dangerous and more easy things, like poisoning water supply, hacking central services, etc.
?
By Celeste:
4.? What are you planning to do for St Patricks Day?
????Enjoying a nice Sunday at home.
?
Finally, my own answer:
5.? Is your local economy improving, falling, or remaining the same?
In Argentina economy has been falling for many years now (no matter what you read in the papers). New government is trying to implement many changes, but, if the pull through, those will impact in a not too near future.?
?
?
El jueves, 22 de febrero de 2024, 23:34:13 ART, Darrell King <darrellgking@...> escribió:
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1.? Are you concerned about the death of Alexy Navaly in a Russian prison camp at the age of 47 - he survived an assassination attempt with poison before.
?
"Concerned" means "worried" to me. I am not worried about it. I am sad that he was cornered and executed, but I am also a bit flabbergasted?that he undertook such a hazardous life mission and remained within the grasp of the dictator he opposed. I respect his commitment to his values,?though. I hope he has achieve both martyrdom and that his fate serves as a warning to others of his ilk.
2.? What was the greatest chimera of the 20th century?
?
No one stands out. Perhaps the idea that the charge toward the precipice of widespread social collapse is only a pipe dream. Or pipe nightmare. Change is inevitable, but we are gifted with symbol-using minds that allow us to predict potential futures before we have to actually have to live them.
3.? Are you concerned about the Russian threat to use nuclear weapons on western allies if they are losing in the war in Ukraine?
?
I expect it and have brought it up on?occasion over the past year, even in this exercise if I remember right. If Putin loses in Ukraine, loses his hold on Russia, his own life is likely forfeit. I am sure he is grooming many contingency plans and I am sure battlefield nukes are involved in some of them. I have some concerns around this.
4.? What are you planning to do for St Patrick's Day?
?
Not even sure where in the States I will be or what the state of the world will be, but probably the usual: TV, computer, Kindle. Under the right circumstances, a pint.
?
5.? Is your local economy improving, falling, or remaining the same?
?
I am currently?parked in SE Texas and they seem to be doing?okay. I cannot say I have delved very deeply, though!
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Re: Friday Five February 23
No, I seldom answer these, Marvin, and I haven't this time. ?Perhaps my best excuse is that I see them as questions, and my ignorance on everything is profound. ?Darrell has said, as I recall, that he regards them a stepping stones to wider musing, but I'm a hopeless literalist. ?Also, what people in Internet groups seem usually to become most exercised about seems to be what's hot in "the news", the things that people have become convinced that they understand because they've seen them or heard them talked about by talking heads. ?I understand that that is a natural phenomenon, but I wish it weren't. ?Bah humbug.
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On Feb 23, 2024, at 11:40, mrvnchpmn <chapman@...> wrote:
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Actually I think I gave the answer to #2 - rhough David may have also.
Butr I think it s the big one.
Marvin
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I'm going with some of the answers other gave before me:
?
By Darrel:
1.? Are you concerned about the death of Alexy Navaly in a Russian prison camp at the age of 47 - he survived an assassination attempt with poison before.
????"Concerned" means "worried" to me. I am not worried about it. I am sad that he was cornered and executed, but I am also a bit flabbergasted?that he undertook such a hazardous life mission and remained within the grasp of the dictator he opposed. I respect his commitment to his values,?though. I hope he has achieve both martyrdom and that his fate serves as a warning to others of his ilk.
By David:
2.? What was the greatest chimera of the 20th century?
????The menace of international Communism - what actually happened was a bunch of nationalistic movements
By Celeste:
3.? Are you concerned about the Russian threat to use nuclear weapons on western allies if they are losing in the war in Ukraine????
????I'm not too worried. Russia would most likely lose that fight and they know it.
?
Anabel: And I'll add: having lived the cold war and the fall of the Wall, Russia is not the threat, but those independent terrorists doing other dangerous and more easy things, like poisoning water supply, hacking central services, etc.
?
By Celeste:
4.? What are you planning to do for St Patricks Day?
????Enjoying a nice Sunday at home.
?
Finally, my own answer:
5.? Is your local economy improving, falling, or remaining the same?
In Argentina economy has been falling for many years now (no matter what you read in the papers). New government is trying to implement many changes, but, if the pull through, those will impact in a not too near future.?
?
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El jueves, 22 de febrero de 2024, 23:34:13 ART, Darrell King <darrellgking@...> escribió:
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1.? Are you concerned about the death of Alexy Navaly in a Russian prison camp at the age of 47 - he survived an assassination attempt with poison before.
?
"Concerned" means "worried" to me. I am not worried about it. I am sad that he was cornered and executed, but I am also a bit flabbergasted?that he undertook such a hazardous life mission and remained within the grasp of the dictator he opposed. I respect his commitment to his values,?though. I hope he has achieve both martyrdom and that his fate serves as a warning to others of his ilk.
2.? What was the greatest chimera of the 20th century?
?
No one stands out. Perhaps the idea that the charge toward the precipice of widespread social collapse is only a pipe dream. Or pipe nightmare. Change is inevitable, but we are gifted with symbol-using minds that allow us to predict potential futures before we have to actually have to live them.
3.? Are you concerned about the Russian threat to use nuclear weapons on western allies if they are losing in the war in Ukraine?
?
I expect it and have brought it up on?occasion over the past year, even in this exercise if I remember right. If Putin loses in Ukraine, loses his hold on Russia, his own life is likely forfeit. I am sure he is grooming many contingency plans and I am sure battlefield nukes are involved in some of them. I have some concerns around this.
4.? What are you planning to do for St Patrick's Day?
?
Not even sure where in the States I will be or what the state of the world will be, but probably the usual: TV, computer, Kindle. Under the right circumstances, a pint.
?
5.? Is your local economy improving, falling, or remaining the same?
?
I am currently?parked in SE Texas and they seem to be doing?okay. I cannot say I have delved very deeply, though!
?
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Re: Friday Five February 23
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Actually I think I gave the answer to #2 - rhough David may have also.
Butr I think it s the big one.
Marvin
?
I'm going with some of the answers other gave before me:
?
By Darrel:
1.? Are you concerned about the death of Alexy Navaly in a Russian prison camp at the age of 47 - he survived an assassination attempt with poison before.
????"Concerned" means "worried" to me. I am not worried about it. I am sad that he was cornered and executed, but I am also a bit flabbergasted?that he undertook such a hazardous life mission and remained within the grasp of the dictator he opposed. I respect his commitment to his values,?though. I hope he has achieve both martyrdom and that his fate serves as a warning to others of his ilk.
By David:
2.? What was the greatest chimera of the 20th century?
????The menace of international Communism - what actually happened was a bunch of nationalistic movements
By Celeste:
3.? Are you concerned about the Russian threat to use nuclear weapons on western allies if they are losing in the war in Ukraine????
????I'm not too worried. Russia would most likely lose that fight and they know it.
?
Anabel: And I'll add: having lived the cold war and the fall of the Wall, Russia is not the threat, but those independent terrorists doing other dangerous and more easy things, like poisoning water supply, hacking central services, etc.
?
By Celeste:
4.? What are you planning to do for St Patricks Day?
????Enjoying a nice Sunday at home.
?
Finally, my own answer:
5.? Is your local economy improving, falling, or remaining the same?
In Argentina economy has been falling for many years now (no matter what you read in the papers). New government is trying to implement many changes, but, if the pull through, those will impact in a not too near future.?
?
?
El jueves, 22 de febrero de 2024, 23:34:13 ART, Darrell King <darrellgking@...> escribió:
?
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1.? Are you concerned about the death of Alexy Navaly in a Russian prison camp at the age of 47 - he survived an assassination attempt with poison before.
?
"Concerned" means "worried" to me. I am not worried about it. I am sad that he was cornered and executed, but I am also a bit flabbergasted?that he undertook such a hazardous life mission and remained within the grasp of the dictator he opposed. I respect his commitment to his values,?though. I hope he has achieve both martyrdom and that his fate serves as a warning to others of his ilk.
2.? What was the greatest chimera of the 20th century?
?
No one stands out. Perhaps the idea that the charge toward the precipice of widespread social collapse is only a pipe dream. Or pipe nightmare. Change is inevitable, but we are gifted with symbol-using minds that allow us to predict potential futures before we have to actually have to live them.
3.? Are you concerned about the Russian threat to use nuclear weapons on western allies if they are losing in the war in Ukraine?
?
I expect it and have brought it up on?occasion over the past year, even in this exercise if I remember right. If Putin loses in Ukraine, loses his hold on Russia, his own life is likely forfeit. I am sure he is grooming many contingency plans and I am sure battlefield nukes are involved in some of them. I have some concerns around this.
4.? What are you planning to do for St Patrick's Day?
?
Not even sure where in the States I will be or what the state of the world will be, but probably the usual: TV, computer, Kindle. Under the right circumstances, a pint.
?
5.? Is your local economy improving, falling, or remaining the same?
?
I am currently?parked in SE Texas and they seem to be doing?okay. I cannot say I have delved very deeply, though!
?
?
|
Re: Friday Five February 23
I'm going with some of the answers other gave before me:
By Darrel: 1.? Are you concerned about the death of Alexy Navaly in a Russian prison camp at the age of 47 - he survived an assassination attempt with poison before. ????"Concerned" means "worried" to me. I am not worried about it. I am sad that he was cornered and executed, but I am also a bit flabbergasted?that he undertook such a hazardous life mission and remained within the grasp of the dictator he opposed. I respect his commitment to his values,?though. I hope he has achieve both martyrdom and that his fate serves as a warning to others of his ilk.
By David: 2.? What was the greatest chimera of the 20th century?
????The menace of international Communism - what actually happened was a bunch of nationalistic movements By Celeste: 3.? Are you concerned about the Russian threat to use nuclear weapons on western allies if they are losing in the war in Ukraine???? ????I'm not too worried. Russia would most likely lose that fight and they know it.
Anabel: And I'll add: having lived the cold war and the fall of the Wall, Russia is not the threat, but those independent terrorists doing other dangerous and more easy things, like poisoning water supply, hacking central services, etc.
By Celeste: 4.? What are you planning to do for St Patricks Day? ????Enjoying a nice Sunday at home.
Finally, my own answer:
5.? Is your local economy improving, falling, or remaining the same?
In Argentina economy has been falling for many years now (no matter what you read in the papers). New government is trying to implement many changes, but, if the pull through, those will impact in a not too near future.?
El jueves, 22 de febrero de 2024, 23:34:13 ART, Darrell King <darrellgking@...> escribió:
1.? Are you concerned about the death of Alexy Navaly in a Russian prison camp at the age of 47 - he survived an assassination attempt with poison before.
"Concerned" means "worried" to me. I am not worried about it. I am sad that he was cornered and executed, but I am also a bit flabbergasted?that he undertook such a hazardous life mission and remained within the grasp of the dictator he opposed. I respect his commitment to his values,?though. I hope he has achieve both martyrdom and that his fate serves as a warning to others of his ilk.
2.? What was the greatest chimera of the 20th century?
No one stands out. Perhaps the idea that the charge toward the precipice of widespread social collapse is only a pipe dream. Or pipe nightmare. Change is inevitable, but we are gifted with symbol-using minds that allow us to predict potential futures before we have to actually have to live them.
3.? Are you concerned about the Russian threat to use nuclear weapons on western allies if they are losing in the war in Ukraine?
I expect it and have brought it up on?occasion over the past year, even in this exercise if I remember right. If Putin loses in Ukraine, loses his hold on Russia, his own life is likely forfeit. I am sure he is grooming many contingency plans and I am sure battlefield nukes are involved in some of them. I have some concerns around this.
4.? What are you planning to do for St Patrick's Day?
Not even sure where in the States I will be or what the state of the world will be, but probably the usual: TV, computer, Kindle. Under the right circumstances, a pint.
5.? Is your local economy improving, falling, or remaining the same?
I am currently?parked in SE Texas and they seem to be doing?okay. I cannot say I have delved very deeply, though!
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Re: Friday Five February 23
1.? Are you concerned about the death of Alexy Navaly in a Russian prison camp at the age of 47 - he survived an assassination attempt with poison before.
"Concerned" means "worried" to me. I am not worried about it. I am sad that he was cornered and executed, but I am also a bit flabbergasted?that he undertook such a hazardous life mission and remained within the grasp of the dictator he opposed. I respect his commitment to his values,?though. I hope he has achieve both martyrdom and that his fate serves as a warning to others of his ilk.
2.? What was the greatest chimera of the 20th century?
No one stands out. Perhaps the idea that the charge toward the precipice of widespread social collapse is only a pipe dream. Or pipe nightmare. Change is inevitable, but we are gifted with symbol-using minds that allow us to predict potential futures before we have to actually have to live them.
3.? Are you concerned about the Russian threat to use nuclear weapons on western allies if they are losing in the war in Ukraine?
I expect it and have brought it up on?occasion over the past year, even in this exercise if I remember right. If Putin loses in Ukraine, loses his hold on Russia, his own life is likely forfeit. I am sure he is grooming many contingency plans and I am sure battlefield nukes are involved in some of them. I have some concerns around this.
4.? What are you planning to do for St Patrick's Day?
Not even sure where in the States I will be or what the state of the world will be, but probably the usual: TV, computer, Kindle. Under the right circumstances, a pint.
5.? Is your local economy improving, falling, or remaining the same?
I am currently?parked in SE Texas and they seem to be doing?okay. I cannot say I have delved very deeply, though!
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Re: Friday Five February 23
1.?
Are you concerned about the death of Alexy Navaly in a Russian
prison camp at the age of 47 - he survived an assassination
attempt with poison before.
This is part of Putin's playbook. He's an autocrat, so the rule of
law doesn't apply to him. He can order anything to be carried out.
And woe to anyone doesn't like it or tries to stop it.
2.? Wgat was the greatest chimera of the 20th century?
I don't know of any chimeras. I know they're out there, but I've
never met one.
3.? Are you concerned about the Russian threat to use
nuclear weapons on western allies if they are losing in
the war in Ukraine?
I'm not too worried. Russia would most likely lose that fight and
they know it.
4.? What are you planning to do for St Patricks Day?
Enjoying a nice Sunday at home.
5.? Is your local economy improving, falling, or remaining
the same?
The economy is growing.
Aloha,
Celeste
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Re: Friday Five February 23
?
?
1.? Are you concerned about the death of Alexy Navaly in a Russian prison camp at the age of 47 - he survived an assassination attempt with poison before.
No more or less than the weaponization of the US Department of Justice - an oxymoron if I have ever seen one!
2.? What was the greatest chimera of the 20th century?
The menace of international Communism - what actually happened was a bunch of nationalistic movements
3.? Are you concerned about the Russian threat to use nuclear weapons on western allies if they are losing in the war in Ukraine?
Very much so - we may be as close to nuclear war as we were during the Cuban Missile Crisis in 1962.
4.? What are you planning to do for St Patricks Day?
Eat corned beef and cabbage and if I remember - wear green.
5.? Is your local economy improving, falling, or remaining the same?
It is falling - the cannabis industry is nearly dead and that had driven the local economy for the last thirty years.
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Re: Friday Five February 23
?
?
1.? Are you concerned about the death of Alexy Navaly in a Russian prison camp at the age of 47 - he survived an assassination attempt with poison before.
2.? Wgat was the greatest chimera of the 20th century?
3.? Are you concerned about the Russian threat to use nuclear weapons on western allies if they are losing in the war in Ukraine?
4.? What are you planning to do for St Patricks Day?
5.? Is your local economy improving, falling, or remaining the same?
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Re: What happened to climate change?
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On Feb 20, 2024, at 16:26, Darrell King <DarrellGKing@...> wrote:
? I expect the boil and I am prepared to be cooked. Having said that, and now admitting my powerlessness to extricate myself with an athletic leap, I prepare for increasing heat best I can and try to network with other frogs who might be willing to band together to build boats. I chose?that curse because I find?it hard to believe there is any possibility of escaping the?pot.?
D On Tue, Feb 20, 2024 at 1:04?PM David Smith < dvdcsmth@...> wrote:
// ? ? ? I have seen and heard enough over the past few years to believe that the accumulation of social stressors is pushing society in a direction of increasing?unrest and decreasing crisis coping. While this is not so very shocking from a historical perspective (and the changes to the environment are certainly not geologically impressive), it is new to me and I feel it is prudent to take note and react as it?may?get much worse.?? ? ?//
Crisis upon crisis upon crisis, and each an invitation to the bureaucrats and technocrats who now rule us to do something drastic, like ban oil, automate car travel, put a screen into space to protect us from the sun, and aggressively protect everyone from the vile words of the evil people who openly disagree with the leaders' programs.? The screws are being tightened and the temperature of the water in the cook-pot is rising, crisis by crisis, and yet the frog is content because the warm water is pleasant.
? Agreed, Anabel. I am more the practical focus kind of student than the theoretical exploration kind. For my purposes, it suffices to study whether the weather patterns will have any significant impact on my activities or health. This drives me to keep an eye on the subject, but with more attention to questions like where should I spend the summer months, do I need to arrange for a reliable water supply or am I in a potential wildfire zone? One issue I specifically shy away from discussing?with?friends and family is whether humans are exacerbating a changing climate trend. Way bad dinner topic, like politics or religion!
I have seen and heard enough over the past few years to believe that the accumulation of social stressors is pushing society in a direction of increasing?unrest and decreasing crisis coping. While this is not so very shocking from a historical perspective (and the changes to the environment are certainly not geologically impressive), it is new to me and I feel it is prudent to take note and react as it may?get much worse.
On Mon, Feb 19, 2024 at 12:17?PM Anabel Perez via <perezbem= [email protected]> wrote: Ahh the britannica, it was one of the "important" purchases when I was young.
As to weather change, I follow two rules: there are some macro patterns or whatever that have changed in the last 50 years (or less), like receding icemarkers in Antartica, and the local small clearly human driven changes, like deforestation or overusage of soiles that generate barren places in just a couple of years. Both are easily seen by any individual that just takes a look and verified by any number of scientific and economical studies.
What seems to be the new discussion is what causes the first macro changes: is it human driven? or is a natural phase? Can we do anything about it?
i guess it's hard to accept human influence on a wordly scale.
When the ozone "hole" appeared in Antartica and later closed ?did we do any of that?
Are we really causing the general temperatures to rise (at least in Buenos Aires, it has been over the last 100 years or so)?
I believe we are, but I guess there's still room for faith and cherrypicking the science that will support one explanation or the other.
Slds
Anabel Pérez Bemporat
Despachante de Aduana Lic. Comercio Internacional?
Capacitadora en Aduanas y Comercio Exterior Argentinos
? Foros actualizados !??y? ?
- Mirá las novedades: Especial: Controles para IMPO con Valor Criterio
Detalles de Impos para Proyecciones 2022 y Com.A7532 y actualizaciones!
?C.O.D.,?TAD,?DJCP,?D J O N P?!
Descarga de Insumos en PreDespachos, LNA, Facturación Electrónica, SETI Autoarchivo, i-Sap...???Qué necesitás?
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El lunes, 19 de febrero de 2024, 14:00:53 ART, a1thighmaster < thighmaster@...> escribió:
Ed,
What exactly makes you think they were wrong? Extremes are the
hallmark of climate change.
Aloha,
Celeste
On 2/19/2024 2:15 AM, Ed Lomas wrote:
The "worst drought in recorded history" ?disappeared-despite the
experts (soothsayers) learned predictions.
Now we're back to floods and mudslides, as usual, with
multi-million dollar homes built on dirt cliffs sliding into the
ocean again.
How could a consensus of climate experts possibly be
wrong?!
|
Re: What happened to climate change?
Interesting nonprofessional overview of where current metrics on Atlantic sea level changes leave us:
Again, not about whether?it is related to mankind's activities. Just metrics and projections,?but framed for casual understanding.
On Mon, Feb 19, 2024 at 6:15?AM Ed Lomas < relomas2@...> wrote: The "worst drought in recorded history" ?disappeared-despite the experts (soothsayers) learned predictions.
Now we're back to floods and mudslides, as usual, with multi-million dollar homes built on dirt cliffs sliding into the ocean again. How could a consensus of climate experts possibly be wrong?!
|
Re: What happened to climate change?
And suffering is caused by wanting the?moment to be other than it is.
:)
D
On Tue, Feb 20, 2024 at 1:19?PM David Smith < dvdcsmth@...> wrote:
// ? ? I guess I have little confidence that the constant arguing will lead to change.?? ?//
Change is constant.
?
As Taoiseach, I had to deal with the painfully slow process whereby the Irish Republican movement came to recognise that killing people was never going to bring a United Ireland - or even a good life - for the people whose cause they sought to espouse.
This led me to reflect on how misconceptions about history can distort how people deal with present realities, and on how national myths need to be rigorously questioned. This is a major theme in the book. Violence is all too easy to glorify. It simplifies what is complex. It forces people to take sides rather than to think things through. It is far too easy to develop a cult around those who died young, and to ignore what was achieved by those who lived, rather than died, for their country. ?- ?John Bruton, Faith in Politics
—— ? I hear you, Celeste (well, I read?you!)?
I guess I have little confidence that the constant arguing will lead to change. The bulk of the human swarm is too busy starving and dealing with such immediate problems as disease or bullets.? Those in charge of the accused industries are focused on profits and those in charge of the public welfare are focused on, well, profits. Or bullets. Not everyone, but I see no hope for a warm global hug that will suddenly bring all of the human?bustle to a standstill.
Although, Covid sort of did for a moment. My urban home was so quiet and the air actually smelled so much fresher. For a week or three. It was glorious.
D
Ed,
Blah blah blah blah. That's all been looked at and it has nothing
to do with fossil fuel burning, which is what has been happening
for the last 100 or so years. The average global temperature has
already risen and we have the capability to prevent the impending
disasters that continued temperature rise would cause. Interesting
to see that you care so little about your fellow humans.
Aloha,
Celeste
On 2/19/2024 9:26 AM, Ed Lomas wrote:
From 900 AD to 1800 AD, there was a Medieval Warm Period followed
by the Little Ice Age.? Prior to recorded history, there were
several ice ages.? I believe the earth is going through a warm
spell, but not that it's all caused by an increase of a couple
hundred parts per million too much carbon dioxide, and that is
excess CO2 is in turn caused by wealthy people's motorcars and jet
airplanes.
On Monday, February 19, 2024, Anabel Perez wrote:
Ahh the britannica, it was one of the
"important" purchases when I was young.
As to weather change, I follow two rules:
there are some macro patterns or whatever that have
changed in the last 50 years (or less), like receding
icemarkers in Antartica, and the local small clearly
human driven changes, like deforestation or overusage
of soiles that generate barren places in just a couple
of years. Both are easily seen by any individual that
just takes a look and verified by any number of
scientific and economical studies.
What seems to be the new discussion is
what causes the first macro changes: is it human
driven? or is a natural phase? Can we do anything
about it?
i guess it's hard to accept human
influence on a wordly scale.
When the ozone "hole" appeared in
Antartica and later closed ?did we do any of that?
Are we really causing the general
temperatures to rise (at least in Buenos Aires, it has
been over the last 100 years or so)?
I believe we are, but I guess there's
still room for faith and cherrypicking the science
that will support one explanation or the other.
El lunes, 19 de febrero de 2024, 14:00:53 ART,
Celeste escribió:
Ed,
What exactly makes you think they were wrong?
Extremes are the hallmark of climate change.
On 2/19/2024 2:15 AM, Ed Lomas wrote:
The "worst drought in recorded history"
?disappeared-despite the experts (soothsayers)
learned predictions.
Now we're back to floods and mudslides, as
usual, with multi-million dollar homes built on
dirt cliffs sliding into the ocean again.
How could a consensus of climate experts
possibly be wrong?!
|
Re: What happened to climate change?
Thank you?for the reminders, David. Truth that change is nonstop and nothing lasts. There are some who work to preserve wildlife, DNA, mankind, Gaia, a country or a culture. What seems traumatically overwhelming today is only dry history tomorrow.
On Tue, Feb 20, 2024 at 1:17?PM David Smith < dvdcsmth@...> wrote:
// ?? it has become blaringly obvious after witnessing?endless hours of tedious discussion and argument that humanity is not favoring the adoption of new behaviors. After years (decades?) of argument, the mob remains unconvinced.? ?//
"The consensus" changes, the "truth" changes, gradually, almost imperceptibly.? The old are always dying and so the "we" is always changing.? It is not the same from moment to moment.? Sadly, with the present generations' temporal near-sightedness, few notice.
?
As Taoiseach, I had to deal with the painfully slow process whereby the Irish Republican movement came to recognise that killing people was never going to bring a United Ireland - or even a good life - for the people whose cause they sought to espouse.
This led me to reflect on how misconceptions about history can distort how people deal with present realities, and on how national myths need to be rigorously questioned. This is a major theme in the book. Violence is all too easy to glorify. It simplifies what is complex. It forces people to take sides rather than to think things through. It is far too easy to develop a cult around those who died young, and to ignore what was achieved by those who lived, rather than died, for their country. ?- ?John Bruton, Faith in Politics
—— ? Exactly, Marvin. As is probably apparent now, the biggest surprise for me is that people spend so much time arguing the point in social interactions as opposed to considering coping skills for it. Or even just using the time to study the situation. We can correlate changes to weather patterns with possibly contributing human?behavioral patterns, but it has become blaringly obvious after witnessing?endless hours of tedious discussion and argument that humanity is not favoring the adoption of new behaviors. After years (decades?) of argument, the mob remains unconvinced.? A few wind farms and some new reactors are not a concerted global alarmed reaction to prophesied doom. We want to continue our personal paths without being too badly inconvenienced (except for Greta.)
So, really, the question is more, "Whatcha gonna do?"
D
On Mon, Feb 19, 2024 at 1:39?PM mrvnchpmn < chapman@...> wrote:
?
I live on a Pelstocene Marine Terrace left over from a period about 12,000 years ago when sea level was about a hundred feet higher.? And fossils on the sea floor off my coast indicate that sometime not long before that sea levels were about fifty feet lower.
Change hapnens - deal with it
Marvin
From 900 AD to 1800 AD, there was a Medieval Warm Period followed by the Little Ice Age.? Prior to recorded history, there were several ice ages.? I believe the earth is going through a warm spell, but not that it's all caused by an increase of a couple hundred parts per million too much carbon dioxide, and that is excess CO2 is in turn caused by wealthy people's motorcars and jet airplanes.
Ed
On Monday, February 19, 2024, Anabel Perez via <perezbem= [email protected]> wrote:
Ahh the britannica, it was one of the "important" purchases when I was young.
?
As to weather change, I follow two rules: there are some macro patterns or whatever that have changed in the last 50 years (or less), like receding icemarkers in Antartica, and the local small clearly human driven changes, like deforestation or overusage of soiles that generate barren places in just a couple of years. Both are easily seen by any individual that just takes a look and verified by any number of scientific and economical studies.
?
What seems to be the new discussion is what causes the first macro changes: is it human driven? or is a natural phase? Can we do anything about it?
?
i guess it's hard to accept human influence on a wordly scale.
?
When the ozone "hole" appeared in Antartica and later closed ?did we do any of that?
?
Are we really causing the general temperatures to rise (at least in Buenos Aires, it has been over the last 100 years or so)?
?
I believe we are, but I guess there's still room for faith and cherrypicking the science that will support one explanation or the other.
?
?
Slds
Anabel Pérez Bemporat
Despachante de Aduana
Lic. Comercio Internacional?
Capacitadora en Aduanas y Comercio Exterior Argentinos
? Foros actualizados !??y?
?
- Mirá las novedades:
Especial: Controles para IMPO con Valor Criterio
?
Detalles de Impos para Proyecciones 2022 y Com.A7532 y actualizaciones!
?C.O.D.,?TAD,?DJCP,?D J O N P?!
Descarga de Insumos en PreDespachos, LNA, Facturación Electrónica, SETI Autoarchivo, i-Sap...???Qué necesitás?
#ReportSystem
#CustomsaduanaS
#ForoATAsARG
#DJONP #DJCP #TAD
?
?
El lunes, 19 de febrero de 2024, 14:00:53 ART, a1thighmaster < thighmaster@...> escribió: ?
?
Ed,
What exactly makes you think they were wrong? Extremes are the hallmark of climate change.
Aloha,
Celeste
?
On 2/19/2024 2:15 AM, Ed Lomas wrote:
?
The "worst drought in recorded history" ?disappeared-despite the experts (soothsayers) learned predictions.
?
Now we're back to floods and mudslides, as usual, with multi-million dollar homes built on dirt cliffs sliding into the ocean again.
?
How could a consensus of climate experts possibly be wrong?!
?
?
?
|
Re: What happened to climate change?
I expect the boil and I am prepared to be cooked. Having said that, and now admitting my powerlessness to extricate myself with an athletic leap, I prepare for increasing heat best I can and try to network with other frogs who might be willing to band together to build boats. I chose?that curse because I find?it hard to believe there is any possibility of escaping the?pot.?
D
On Tue, Feb 20, 2024 at 1:04?PM David Smith < dvdcsmth@...> wrote:
// ? ? ? I have seen and heard enough over the past few years to believe that the accumulation of social stressors is pushing society in a direction of increasing?unrest and decreasing crisis coping. While this is not so very shocking from a historical perspective (and the changes to the environment are certainly not geologically impressive), it is new to me and I feel it is prudent to take note and react as it?may?get much worse.?? ? ?//
Crisis upon crisis upon crisis, and each an invitation to the bureaucrats and technocrats who now rule us to do something drastic, like ban oil, automate car travel, put a screen into space to protect us from the sun, and aggressively protect everyone from the vile words of the evil people who openly disagree with the leaders' programs.? The screws are being tightened and the temperature of the water in the cook-pot is rising, crisis by crisis, and yet the frog is content because the warm water is pleasant.
? Agreed, Anabel. I am more the practical focus kind of student than the theoretical exploration kind. For my purposes, it suffices to study whether the weather patterns will have any significant impact on my activities or health. This drives me to keep an eye on the subject, but with more attention to questions like where should I spend the summer months, do I need to arrange for a reliable water supply or am I in a potential wildfire zone? One issue I specifically shy away from discussing?with?friends and family is whether humans are exacerbating a changing climate trend. Way bad dinner topic, like politics or religion!
I have seen and heard enough over the past few years to believe that the accumulation of social stressors is pushing society in a direction of increasing?unrest and decreasing crisis coping. While this is not so very shocking from a historical perspective (and the changes to the environment are certainly not geologically impressive), it is new to me and I feel it is prudent to take note and react as it may?get much worse.
On Mon, Feb 19, 2024 at 12:17?PM Anabel Perez via <perezbem= [email protected]> wrote: Ahh the britannica, it was one of the "important" purchases when I was young.
As to weather change, I follow two rules: there are some macro patterns or whatever that have changed in the last 50 years (or less), like receding icemarkers in Antartica, and the local small clearly human driven changes, like deforestation or overusage of soiles that generate barren places in just a couple of years. Both are easily seen by any individual that just takes a look and verified by any number of scientific and economical studies.
What seems to be the new discussion is what causes the first macro changes: is it human driven? or is a natural phase? Can we do anything about it?
i guess it's hard to accept human influence on a wordly scale.
When the ozone "hole" appeared in Antartica and later closed ?did we do any of that?
Are we really causing the general temperatures to rise (at least in Buenos Aires, it has been over the last 100 years or so)?
I believe we are, but I guess there's still room for faith and cherrypicking the science that will support one explanation or the other.
Slds
Anabel Pérez Bemporat
Despachante de Aduana Lic. Comercio Internacional?
Capacitadora en Aduanas y Comercio Exterior Argentinos
? Foros actualizados !??y? ?
- Mirá las novedades: Especial: Controles para IMPO con Valor Criterio
Detalles de Impos para Proyecciones 2022 y Com.A7532 y actualizaciones!
?C.O.D.,?TAD,?DJCP,?D J O N P?!
Descarga de Insumos en PreDespachos, LNA, Facturación Electrónica, SETI Autoarchivo, i-Sap...???Qué necesitás?
#ReportSystem #CustomsaduanaS #ForoATAsARG #DJONP #DJCP #TAD
El lunes, 19 de febrero de 2024, 14:00:53 ART, a1thighmaster < thighmaster@...> escribió:
Ed,
What exactly makes you think they were wrong? Extremes are the
hallmark of climate change.
Aloha,
Celeste
On 2/19/2024 2:15 AM, Ed Lomas wrote:
The "worst drought in recorded history" ?disappeared-despite the
experts (soothsayers) learned predictions.
Now we're back to floods and mudslides, as usual, with
multi-million dollar homes built on dirt cliffs sliding into the
ocean again.
How could a consensus of climate experts possibly be
wrong?!
|
Re: What happened to climate change?
// ? ? I guess I have little confidence that the constant arguing will lead to change.?? ?//
Change is constant.
?
As Taoiseach, I had to deal with the painfully slow process whereby the Irish Republican movement came to recognise that killing people was never going to bring a United Ireland - or even a good life - for the people whose cause they sought to espouse.
This led me to reflect on how misconceptions about history can distort how people deal with present realities, and on how national myths need to be rigorously questioned. This is a major theme in the book. Violence is all too easy to glorify. It simplifies what is complex. It forces people to take sides rather than to think things through. It is far too easy to develop a cult around those who died young, and to ignore what was achieved by those who lived, rather than died, for their country. ?- ?John Bruton, Faith in Politics
——
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On Feb 20, 2024, at 10:33, Darrell King <DarrellGKing@...> wrote:
? I hear you, Celeste (well, I read?you!)?
I guess I have little confidence that the constant arguing will lead to change. The bulk of the human swarm is too busy starving and dealing with such immediate problems as disease or bullets.? Those in charge of the accused industries are focused on profits and those in charge of the public welfare are focused on, well, profits. Or bullets. Not everyone, but I see no hope for a warm global hug that will suddenly bring all of the human?bustle to a standstill.
Although, Covid sort of did for a moment. My urban home was so quiet and the air actually smelled so much fresher. For a week or three. It was glorious.
D
Ed,
Blah blah blah blah. That's all been looked at and it has nothing
to do with fossil fuel burning, which is what has been happening
for the last 100 or so years. The average global temperature has
already risen and we have the capability to prevent the impending
disasters that continued temperature rise would cause. Interesting
to see that you care so little about your fellow humans.
Aloha,
Celeste
On 2/19/2024 9:26 AM, Ed Lomas wrote:
From 900 AD to 1800 AD, there was a Medieval Warm Period followed
by the Little Ice Age.? Prior to recorded history, there were
several ice ages.? I believe the earth is going through a warm
spell, but not that it's all caused by an increase of a couple
hundred parts per million too much carbon dioxide, and that is
excess CO2 is in turn caused by wealthy people's motorcars and jet
airplanes.
On Monday, February 19, 2024, Anabel Perez wrote:
Ahh the britannica, it was one of the
"important" purchases when I was young.
As to weather change, I follow two rules:
there are some macro patterns or whatever that have
changed in the last 50 years (or less), like receding
icemarkers in Antartica, and the local small clearly
human driven changes, like deforestation or overusage
of soiles that generate barren places in just a couple
of years. Both are easily seen by any individual that
just takes a look and verified by any number of
scientific and economical studies.
What seems to be the new discussion is
what causes the first macro changes: is it human
driven? or is a natural phase? Can we do anything
about it?
i guess it's hard to accept human
influence on a wordly scale.
When the ozone "hole" appeared in
Antartica and later closed ?did we do any of that?
Are we really causing the general
temperatures to rise (at least in Buenos Aires, it has
been over the last 100 years or so)?
I believe we are, but I guess there's
still room for faith and cherrypicking the science
that will support one explanation or the other.
El lunes, 19 de febrero de 2024, 14:00:53 ART,
Celeste escribió:
Ed,
What exactly makes you think they were wrong?
Extremes are the hallmark of climate change.
On 2/19/2024 2:15 AM, Ed Lomas wrote:
The "worst drought in recorded history"
?disappeared-despite the experts (soothsayers)
learned predictions.
Now we're back to floods and mudslides, as
usual, with multi-million dollar homes built on
dirt cliffs sliding into the ocean again.
How could a consensus of climate experts
possibly be wrong?!
|
Re: What happened to climate change?
// ?? it has become blaringly obvious after witnessing?endless hours of tedious discussion and argument that humanity is not favoring the adoption of new behaviors. After years (decades?) of argument, the mob remains unconvinced.? ?//
"The consensus" changes, the "truth" changes, gradually, almost imperceptibly. ?The old are always dying and so the "we" is always changing. ?It is not the same from moment to moment. ?Sadly, with the present generations' temporal near-sightedness, few notice.
?
As Taoiseach, I had to deal with the painfully slow process whereby the Irish Republican movement came to recognise that killing people was never going to bring a United Ireland - or even a good life - for the people whose cause they sought to espouse.
This led me to reflect on how misconceptions about history can distort how people deal with present realities, and on how national myths need to be rigorously questioned. This is a major theme in the book. Violence is all too easy to glorify. It simplifies what is complex. It forces people to take sides rather than to think things through. It is far too easy to develop a cult around those who died young, and to ignore what was achieved by those who lived, rather than died, for their country. ?- ?John Bruton, Faith in Politics
——
toggle quoted message
Show quoted text
On Feb 20, 2024, at 10:26, Darrell King <DarrellGKing@...> wrote:
? Exactly, Marvin. As is probably apparent now, the biggest surprise for me is that people spend so much time arguing the point in social interactions as opposed to considering coping skills for it. Or even just using the time to study the situation. We can correlate changes to weather patterns with possibly contributing human?behavioral patterns, but it has become blaringly obvious after witnessing?endless hours of tedious discussion and argument that humanity is not favoring the adoption of new behaviors. After years (decades?) of argument, the mob remains unconvinced.? A few wind farms and some new reactors are not a concerted global alarmed reaction to prophesied doom. We want to continue our personal paths without being too badly inconvenienced (except for Greta.)
So, really, the question is more, "Whatcha gonna do?"
D
On Mon, Feb 19, 2024 at 1:39?PM mrvnchpmn < chapman@...> wrote:
?
I live on a Pelstocene Marine Terrace left over from a period about 12,000 years ago when sea level was about a hundred feet higher.? And fossils on the sea floor off my coast indicate that sometime not long before that sea levels were about fifty feet lower.
Change hapnens - deal with it
Marvin
From 900 AD to 1800 AD, there was a Medieval Warm Period followed by the Little Ice Age.? Prior to recorded history, there were several ice ages.? I believe the earth is going through a warm spell, but not that it's all caused by an increase of a couple hundred parts per million too much carbon dioxide, and that is excess CO2 is in turn caused by wealthy people's motorcars and jet airplanes.
Ed
On Monday, February 19, 2024, Anabel Perez via <perezbem= [email protected]> wrote:
Ahh the britannica, it was one of the "important" purchases when I was young.
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As to weather change, I follow two rules: there are some macro patterns or whatever that have changed in the last 50 years (or less), like receding icemarkers in Antartica, and the local small clearly human driven changes, like deforestation or overusage of soiles that generate barren places in just a couple of years. Both are easily seen by any individual that just takes a look and verified by any number of scientific and economical studies.
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What seems to be the new discussion is what causes the first macro changes: is it human driven? or is a natural phase? Can we do anything about it?
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i guess it's hard to accept human influence on a wordly scale.
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When the ozone "hole" appeared in Antartica and later closed ?did we do any of that?
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Are we really causing the general temperatures to rise (at least in Buenos Aires, it has been over the last 100 years or so)?
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I believe we are, but I guess there's still room for faith and cherrypicking the science that will support one explanation or the other.
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El lunes, 19 de febrero de 2024, 14:00:53 ART, a1thighmaster < thighmaster@...> escribió: ?
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Ed,
What exactly makes you think they were wrong? Extremes are the hallmark of climate change.
Aloha,
Celeste
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On 2/19/2024 2:15 AM, Ed Lomas wrote:
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The "worst drought in recorded history" ?disappeared-despite the experts (soothsayers) learned predictions.
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Now we're back to floods and mudslides, as usual, with multi-million dollar homes built on dirt cliffs sliding into the ocean again.
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How could a consensus of climate experts possibly be wrong?!
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Re: What happened to climate change?
// ? ? ? I have seen and heard enough over the past few years to believe that the accumulation of social stressors is pushing society in a direction of increasing?unrest and decreasing crisis coping. While this is not so very shocking from a historical perspective (and the changes to the environment are certainly not geologically impressive), it is new to me and I feel it is prudent to take note and react as it?may?get much worse.?? ? ?//
Crisis upon crisis upon crisis, and each an invitation to the bureaucrats and technocrats who now rule us to do something drastic, like ban oil, automate car travel, put a screen into space to protect us from the sun, and aggressively protect everyone from the vile words of the evil people who openly disagree with the leaders' programs. ?The screws are being tightened and the temperature of the water in the cook-pot is rising, crisis by crisis, and yet the frog is content because the warm water is pleasant.
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On Feb 20, 2024, at 10:06, Darrell King <DarrellGKing@...> wrote:
? Agreed, Anabel. I am more the practical focus kind of student than the theoretical exploration kind. For my purposes, it suffices to study whether the weather patterns will have any significant impact on my activities or health. This drives me to keep an eye on the subject, but with more attention to questions like where should I spend the summer months, do I need to arrange for a reliable water supply or am I in a potential wildfire zone? One issue I specifically shy away from discussing?with?friends and family is whether humans are exacerbating a changing climate trend. Way bad dinner topic, like politics or religion!
I have seen and heard enough over the past few years to believe that the accumulation of social stressors is pushing society in a direction of increasing?unrest and decreasing crisis coping. While this is not so very shocking from a historical perspective (and the changes to the environment are certainly not geologically impressive), it is new to me and I feel it is prudent to take note and react as it may?get much worse.
On Mon, Feb 19, 2024 at 12:17?PM Anabel Perez via <perezbem= [email protected]> wrote: Ahh the britannica, it was one of the "important" purchases when I was young.
As to weather change, I follow two rules: there are some macro patterns or whatever that have changed in the last 50 years (or less), like receding icemarkers in Antartica, and the local small clearly human driven changes, like deforestation or overusage of soiles that generate barren places in just a couple of years. Both are easily seen by any individual that just takes a look and verified by any number of scientific and economical studies.
What seems to be the new discussion is what causes the first macro changes: is it human driven? or is a natural phase? Can we do anything about it?
i guess it's hard to accept human influence on a wordly scale.
When the ozone "hole" appeared in Antartica and later closed ?did we do any of that?
Are we really causing the general temperatures to rise (at least in Buenos Aires, it has been over the last 100 years or so)?
I believe we are, but I guess there's still room for faith and cherrypicking the science that will support one explanation or the other.
Slds
Anabel Pérez Bemporat
Despachante de Aduana Lic. Comercio Internacional?
Capacitadora en Aduanas y Comercio Exterior Argentinos
? Foros actualizados !??y? ?
- Mirá las novedades: Especial: Controles para IMPO con Valor Criterio
Detalles de Impos para Proyecciones 2022 y Com.A7532 y actualizaciones!
?C.O.D.,?TAD,?DJCP,?D J O N P?!
Descarga de Insumos en PreDespachos, LNA, Facturación Electrónica, SETI Autoarchivo, i-Sap...???Qué necesitás?
#ReportSystem #CustomsaduanaS #ForoATAsARG #DJONP #DJCP #TAD
El lunes, 19 de febrero de 2024, 14:00:53 ART, a1thighmaster < thighmaster@...> escribió:
Ed,
What exactly makes you think they were wrong? Extremes are the
hallmark of climate change.
Aloha,
Celeste
On 2/19/2024 2:15 AM, Ed Lomas wrote:
The "worst drought in recorded history" ?disappeared-despite the
experts (soothsayers) learned predictions.
Now we're back to floods and mudslides, as usual, with
multi-million dollar homes built on dirt cliffs sliding into the
ocean again.
How could a consensus of climate experts possibly be
wrong?!
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Re: What happened to climate change?
So which of these dreadful disasters are worthy of note??
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I am freshly retired and have lived in an RV we built ourselves for about two years now, traveling the Continental?U.S. My fundamental coping involves planning ahead to avoid driving toward sidewalks hot enough to burn my feet, forested areas clogged with deadwood during wildfire season (hello, Kentucky!), or coastal areas during hurricane season.?
Longer-term interests include keeping an eye out for areas of significant social unrest (my home port city has daily shootings), food shortages, water shortages and similar gotchas that might sneak up on me.
As for contributing to a healthier world, I do provide teaching from?my nursing career whenever asked for and I am fine with switching to electric vehicle engines if and when this is affordable and the infrastructure supports it. I support abolishing factory farming and polar bears stranded on ice floes. I contribute what I can afford to charity in the hope that it helps somebody eat tonight. I am not an activist, though, and I have come to the conclusion that emotional social debate is great?for socializing but a very fruitless way to drive widespread change!
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Everything is a hallmark of climate change.? More snow.? Less Snow.? More wind. Less wind.? More rain.? Less rain. Higher highs. Lower lows.? More growth.? Less Growth.
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Re: What happened to climate change?
From:?a1thighmaster
Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2024 12:00:52 EST
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Ed,
What exactly makes you think they were wrong? Extremes are the hallmark of climate change.
Aloha,
Celeste
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