On Tue, Feb 20, 2024 at 1:19?PM David Smith <dvdcsmth@...> wrote:
// ? ?I guess I have little confidence that the constant arguing will lead to change.?? ?//
Change is constant.
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As Taoiseach, I had to deal with the painfully slow process whereby the Irish Republican movement came to recognise that killing people was never going to bring a United Ireland - or even a good life - for the people whose cause they sought to espouse.
This led me to reflect on how misconceptions about history can distort how people deal with present realities, and on how national myths need to be rigorously questioned. This is a major theme in the book. Violence is all too easy to glorify. It simplifies what is complex. It forces people to take sides rather than to think things through. It is far too easy to develop a cult around those who died young, and to ignore what was achieved by those who lived, rather than died, for their country. ?- ?John Bruton, Faith in Politics
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On Feb 20, 2024, at 10:33, Darrell King <DarrellGKing@...> wrote:
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I hear you, Celeste (well, I read?you!)?
I guess I have little confidence that the constant arguing will lead to change. The bulk of the human swarm is too busy starving and dealing with such immediate problems as disease or bullets.? Those in charge of the accused industries are focused on profits and those in charge of the public welfare are focused on, well, profits. Or bullets. Not everyone, but I see no hope for a warm global hug that will suddenly bring all of the human?bustle to a standstill.
Although, Covid sort of did for a moment. My urban home was so quiet and the air actually smelled so much fresher. For a week or three. It was glorious.
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On Mon, Feb 19, 2024 at 2:30?PM a1thighmaster <thighmaster@...> wrote:
Ed,
Blah blah blah blah. That's all been looked at and it has nothing
to do with fossil fuel burning, which is what has been happening
for the last 100 or so years. The average global temperature has
already risen and we have the capability to prevent the impending
disasters that continued temperature rise would cause. Interesting
to see that you care so little about your fellow humans.
Aloha,
Celeste
On 2/19/2024 9:26 AM, Ed Lomas wrote:
From 900 AD to 1800 AD, there was a Medieval Warm Period followed
by the Little Ice Age.? Prior to recorded history, there were
several ice ages.? I believe the earth is going through a warm
spell, but not that it's all caused by an increase of a couple
hundred parts per million too much carbon dioxide, and that is
excess CO2 is in turn caused by wealthy people's motorcars and jet
airplanes.
On Monday, February 19, 2024, Anabel Perez wrote:
Ahh the britannica, it was one of the
"important" purchases when I was young.
As to weather change, I follow two rules:
there are some macro patterns or whatever that have
changed in the last 50 years (or less), like receding
icemarkers in Antartica, and the local small clearly
human driven changes, like deforestation or overusage
of soiles that generate barren places in just a couple
of years. Both are easily seen by any individual that
just takes a look and verified by any number of
scientific and economical studies.
What seems to be the new discussion is
what causes the first macro changes: is it human
driven? or is a natural phase? Can we do anything
about it?
i guess it's hard to accept human
influence on a wordly scale.
When the ozone "hole" appeared in
Antartica and later closed ?did we do any of that?
Are we really causing the general
temperatures to rise (at least in Buenos Aires, it has
been over the last 100 years or so)?
I believe we are, but I guess there's
still room for faith and cherrypicking the science
that will support one explanation or the other.
El lunes, 19 de febrero de 2024, 14:00:53 ART,
Celeste escribi¨®:
Ed,
What exactly makes you think they were wrong?
Extremes are the hallmark of climate change.
On 2/19/2024 2:15 AM, Ed Lomas wrote:
The "worst drought in recorded history"
?disappeared-despite the experts (soothsayers)
learned predictions.
Now we're back to floods and mudslides, as
usual, with multi-million dollar homes built on
dirt cliffs sliding into the ocean again.
How could a consensus of climate experts
possibly be wrong?!