fate of Poles left behind after Ander's Army left the USSR?
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Hello again and again! What happened to the Poles left behind in the USSR after Ander's Army left (escaped?)? Apparently from what I see on the records, my grandmother Anna, my grandaunt Maria, and my uncle Jozef all remained behind on a kolkhoz in north Tadzhikistan and apparently did not die at that time and possibly survived the war and their descendants might still be alive somewhere and if so I would definitely like to find them. I know there were two more "amnesties" for deported Poles after the war. One "amnesty" was in about 1948 when the Communists finally took over in Poland when they were allowed to return to Poland and many returned then and then there was another "amnesty" in about 1956 when Khrushchev denounced Stalin and many deported people were "rehabilitated" and more Poles returned to Poland but some others stayed and their descendants are still there to this day. Both Anna and Maria were born in about 1896 and 1897 and so were quite close to the end of their child-bearing years by 1941 but it's possible either one might have remarried and had more children before 1945. My uncle Jozef might have either stayed with his mother and aunt or possibly joined the Polish forces in the east and somehow survived the war and married and had children as well although if he joined the Polish army in the east he might have died since they had quite high casualties too. Where could I find more information to establish the fate of my grandmother, grandaunt, and uncle? Thank you.
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[Kresy-Siberia (Yahoo)] Re: Please welcome Christine (Chris) Rhodes as a new member
Welcome aboard (finally) Chris ! Chris from Calgary From: nat75sch@... [Kresy-Siberia] ; To: ; Subject: [Kresy-Siberia (Yahoo)] Re: Please welcome Christine (Chris) Rhodes as a new member Sent: Mon, Mar 14, 2016 10:18:54 PM Welcome to the group Chris :-)
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Please welcome Christine (Chris) Rhodes as a new member
Welcome to the group Chris :-)
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[Kresy-Siberia (Yahoo)] Ave Polonia
Witam w Seattle, USA! I too come from a long line of Polish officers and Sybiraks--I wish you all the best in this noble endeavour! Pozdrawiam w Seattle! Antek Haapasaari-OLPINSKI
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Ave Polonia
Mar 14/16 subject:- Ave Polonia Hello, I need help with a little project. It’s only 2+ years to Nov 11, 2018 which will be the100th anniversary of the official founding of the Second Republic ofPoland although Poland’s borders were not settled finally until the Treaty ofRiga on Mar 18, 1921 and she was really reborn on the battlefields of World WarOne at intense events like the Battle of Kostiuchnówka and Battle of ?owczówek and many others. I come from a family of soldiers with many soldiers on both sides of my family who participated in fighting for the Second Republic tocreate it and to defend it from annihilation and many of them died along theway. I count at least 6 from both my mother’s and father’s immediatefamilies (parents and grandparents) with 3 dying in World WarTwo and I have no idea of how many other uncles and grand-uncleswere involved (but there certainly seem to be a lot of Polish soldiersback there!). I grew up among the many survivors of those immenseconflicts who were often badly hurt both physically andemotionally and severely traumatized and often died prematurely asa result and I’m still dealing with those unresolved issuesthat I inherited from my parents. I’m sure there are many others here who have the samefamily histories and the same issues. Theirs was a truly heroic and valiant generation and I think they need their own anthem to commemoratetheir accomplishments. The “Mazurek D?browskiego” commemoratesour Polish patriots of the 18th century and the “Warszawianka 1831”and “Warszawianka 1905” commemorate our Polish patriots of the 19thcentury but now we need an anthem to commemorate our Polish patriots of the 20thcentury and they certainly deserve one of their own. Poland has literally been the forge and anvil ofmodern European history in the 20th century and I think that their generation must be among thetoughest and most resilient people who have ever lived anywhere and anytime inall of history. I recently came across the old American song “HailColumbia” which I realized would make a perfect model for a newanthem for those patriots. I paraphrased some of the English words to suit aPolish context but the melody would stay the same and I have tried to keep it gently assertive withoutbeing bombastic and also to keep it in the nature of a prayer and I’m calling it “Ave Polonia”. However I need help to fully translate it into goodpoetical Polish to fit the melody although I managed to translate thefirst four lines:- can anyone help with this? After that we need to “publish” it by finding a personwith a good operatic voice (either a gentleman with mellow tenor voice or a divawith a strong mezzosoprano voice) to perform it in public and have it recorded for further distribution on theInternet. I do not think that the Americans will mind usborrowing a bit of their cultural heritage for this purpose and they might evenbe a little bit flattered by it. They hardly ever play this melody anymore and only onofficial occasions for their vice-president and virtually no one eversings this song anymore. The Americans actually drew some of the inspirationfor their Constitution from the Polish experience including their ideas aboutan elected President who was also native-born and of course they will remembertheir great Polish-American revolutionary heroes, Pulaski and Kosciuszko, whocontributed so much to their own cause of freedom and liberty. Americans also have never objected to Polish patriots(or any other patriots) borrowing from their constitution to write the firstPolish constitution and this song is certainly “constitutional” andpatriotic in nature. Likewise American ideals have always inspired Polesfor many generations so that no one Polish will mind that Americaninfluence either. Please note that I’m not trying to replace the “Mazurek D?browskiego” as the official Polish nationalanthem but only to commemorate, honor,and celebrate the Polish patriots who created and defended ourill-fated Polish Second Republic and also to teach mainlandPoles to finally remember the “lost” Polish “tribe” ofPolish war-refu
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[Kresy-Siberia (Yahoo)] Eddie:- a needle in a haystack
Witam w Seattle, USA! You are on a Holy quest my friend and I wish you Godspeed. {How many of our people lie in unmarked graves all over the world--known and remembered but by God?} "Lest we forget..." Antek Haapasaari-OLPINSKI
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[Kresy-Siberia (Yahoo)] tracing Marcin Chamot / Chamut
Best wishes on your quest--kind regards from Seattle, USA!
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[Kresy-Siberia (Yahoo)] fate of Poles left behind after Ander's Army left the USSR?
Best wishes on your quest! BTW, I just met a very nice Russian man and his 16 year old daughter {from Uzbekistan} waiting for my wife's car at the shop. We spoke for an hour in Russian-Polish about our family history and the current state of affairs in Central Europe and the "Stans" {former Soviet Central Asian Republics}. Brilliant conversation--but THIS is why I speak Polish with a "Russian accent"! {Prsze Praszsam, Panstwo!}
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[Kresy-Siberia (Yahoo)] Please welcome Christine (Chris) Rhodes as a new member
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Witam & best regards from Seattle, USA!
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[Kresy-Siberia (Yahoo)] Please welcome Christine (Chris) Rhodes as a new member
Very welcome, Christine to Group. My father Jozef Jarkiewicz was also from Warsaw, Grodzisk Mazowiecki, but was captured first battle, spending the rest of war in Stalag 1-A. Regards Lenarda, Sydney, Australia
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Please welcome Christine (Chris) Rhodes as a new member
Dear group, Please welcome Christine (Chris) Rhodes from Co Durham, UK, to the group. Christine was introduced to us via Chris Wroblewski - her father Bo?eslaw Wo?niakowski and Chris's uncle Micha? Krzywoszanski were in the same Polish tank regiment in Italy during WW2, postwar in 1947 both were posted to Brancepeth, Co Durham with the Durham Light Infantry when the British Army was recruiting Poles from the PRC. Chris's father suffered the fate of many captured Polish soldiers in 1939 being deported to a Soviet labour camp and later joining Anders Army after the amnesty. Chris writes "My father was Boleslaw Wo?niakowski born in Izabelin near Warsawa in 1916 and would have been 100 last month had he lived. I have his records from RAF Northolt here in the UK and have had some records from the Central Archives in Warsawa some of which are in Russian. These have been translated for me but are limited in the information they give me. I know he fought at Monte Cassino and was captured by the NKVD at Tranopol and then sent to Eastern Siberia. He fought in the 1939 and join the Armoured Train in Legionowo where he was living at the time. Later he was released to General Anders." Chris is joining our group to be able to better understand what happened to the Polish soldiers, especially those that were held by the NKVD in Russia. Warm regards Anna Pacewicz Sydney
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[Kresy-Siberia (Yahoo)] Weve just "met" on Face book and we mailed in 2013.....
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David this is thrilling, to read another members progress and happiness. It gives us all hope and yes you can email me privately and tell me your story. I will be a pleasure. Or…………………..if you feel up to it, write your account and visit and finding family on Yahoo, so all can read and be encouraged. It really does help others this way. So happy for you. Warmest regards Lenarda. Sydney, Australia
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[Kresy-Siberia (Yahoo)] Re: [www.Kresy-Siberia.org] Zimovie Teia
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Dear Alexandra!Its not easy now to find Soksya, but I will try.Stan. Чтоб не было такого никогда! | | | | | | | | | | | Чтоб не было такого никогда!Чтоб не было такого никогда! | | | | View on znamyatryda.ru | Preview by Yahoo | | | | | Документы, хранимые в архиве, рассказывают о пребывании поляков в Прилузском районе. Вот некоторые из них. На станцию Мураши в конце февраля - начале марта прибыли 11 эшелонов с осадниками (11406 человек) из Тернопольской, Львовской и Станиславской об?ластей УССР. Точная дата прибытия польских граждан в Прилузский район не установлена. В фондах ГУ РК ?Национальный архив Республики Коми? имеется письмо Прилузского райпотребсоюза в Прилузский райисполком и Комипотребсоюз от 13 февраля 1940 года, в котором сообщается о прибытии поляков на территорию Прилузского района. О результатах проверки спецпоселков поляков 145-го и 146-го кварталов Объячевского лесопункта (посёлки по р. Коржа), проверяющий докладывал: ?На месте рубки леса, во время обеденного перерыва, почти у всех лесорубов обед заключается в следующем: мороженый хлеб с кипятком, завтрак и ужин примерно такой же. В результате истощения и нормы не выполняются. Некоторые после приезда были близки к выполнению нормы, но теперь далеко ее не выполняют, в 146 квартале 37 человек рубят всего лишь 60 – 70 кубометров в день. Нормы расценок, дневной заработок не знают, книжек расчетных не имеют. Валенок ни у кого нет. Работать в полуразвалившихся сапогах или ботинках в лесу очень трудно, это, безусловно, влияет на производительность труда, так как лесорубу приходится больше находиться у костра, чем работать. Многие трудоспособные не ходят в лес исключительно из-за отсутствия обуви?. Общий контроль над процессом освобождения поляков с сентября 1941 года осуществляла Сыктывкарская делегатура польского посольства в Москве (деле?гат Тадеуш Грыгер). Ею были составлены и направлены в НКВД Коми АССР списки на освобожденных из лагерей, оказана помощь тем, кто до?бирался из глухих таежных мест в Сыктывкар. В январе 1942 года ее сотрудники добились выдачи зимнего обмундирования для 23 освобожденных поляков во главе с генералом бригады армии польской Адамом Скапским. В Прилузский и Летский районы также были направлены представители посольства с дипломатической миссией защиты интересов польских граждан, оказавшихся в тяжёлых условиях проживания и работы. В Объячево работали два сотрудника, доверенным делегатуры был Витос Андрей Войтехович, в Летке был один сотрудник – Раковер Аркадий Юзефович. Представителей дипломатической миссии, работающих на постоянной основе в Прилузском районе, ни до этого, ни после не было. Витос вёл переписку с СНК Коми АССР о тяжёлом положении польских граждан в Прилузском районе, просил обратить внимание на многодетные семьи, которые не зарабатывают столько, чтобы прокормить себя и свою семью, о необходимости выдачи спецодежды работникам, о своевременной выдаче зарплаты. Местные власти противодействовали процессу амнистии польских граждан, стараясь всеми способами заставить остаться поляков работать. В докладной записке от 24 марта 1942 года зав. лесным отделом Коми ОК ВКП(б) Кузнецов докладывает секретарю Коми ОК ВКП(б) Игнатову о деятельности делегатуры Посольства: ?… Так, из участка Гыркуль Ношульского лестранхоза 13 марта ушло 4 семьи, из базы Верхолузского лесопункта 3 семьи, а всего в марте ушло 24 рабочих. Эти рабочие в феврале работали не плохо. Выполняли на заготовке леса по 3,5-4,5 кубометров в день…. Якобы уход из Коми АССР польских граждан организуется представителем польского правительства Витосом… Этот Витос, будучи в Объячево, предупредил руководителей райпромкомбината, что, если они не улучшат питание польских граждан, и не упорядочат выдачу зарплаты, то он всех польских граждан отправит из Коми АССР…?. В Прилузском районе ссыльные поляки официально жили в следующих поселках:пос. Ношульский лесопункт, Ношуль-база, квартал 98, квартала 173, 180, квартал 172, 174;лесопункт Черомош (Черныш?) и квартал №206,Верхолузский лесопункт, Старая база, Гыркуль, Сидорово, Гыркашор, Вухтым, Занулье, Порубский лесопункт, Давыдово
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[www.Kresy-Siberia.org] Zimovie Teia [1 Attachment]
Stan: I know you were very helpful in identifying where my father's family was sent. I was wondering whether you might also know the location for the following: Soksya settlement in Pryluzskyy district, KOMI, Russia. I believe there might be trains going to that region but not sure how close. Also is it accessible from Moscow. There are two sisters who would like to visit the area and would need an interpreter. Any information would be greatly appreciated. Alexandra Everist Author of "A Katrina Moment" Co-Author of "No Place to Call Home" www.alexandraeverist.com http://www.myspace.com/akatrinamoment http://www.facebook.com/alexandra.everist http://twitter.com/alexandraeveris http://www.linkedin.com/in/alexandraeverist
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Weve just "met" on Face book and we mailed in 2013.....
Oh! Lenarda!!!!!!!!!......God I suddenly thought I remember your name....I havent touched this since 2013 when I was trying to find a family connection.....and the I did!!!!! I thought It was you!!!!.Ive just found this from 2013!!!!.....Did you know we`d already talked?.....Im saying the same things I said then now.....but I HAVE moved on I found and met a sister since then Her name is Josephine....I flew back from France last August 2015 and we met in Wales It was (is) really wonderful I dont use this at all now but Id really like to mail you again if thats OK and tell you how it worked out....If youd rather not and just do the Facebook site I quite understand...To be honest Im not sure how all this has evolved....I dont even know if youll get this mail....any way here goes David Golledge....Balinski
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[Kresy-Siberia (Yahoo)] Military Service
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Dear N! See Baranowicze Book: Wielka Ksiega Kawalerii Polskiej, Tom 29: 26 Pulk Ulanow Wielkopolskich. - Edipresse Polska S.A., 2012. In seach use words ulan, pulk 26... Stan f.M. Baranowicze 26 pu?k U?anów Wielkopolskich View on www.26puw.pl Preview by Yahoo
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[Kresy-Siberia (Yahoo)] RUSSIAN INTERNET ACCESS
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Hi, Stefan! Yes, its fine site and good accessible. Stan.
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RUSSIAN INTERNET ACCESS
Special question to our Russian friends - could you please check if our Kresy-Siberia Virtual Museum www.Kresy-Siberia.org is accessible on the internet in Russia, or is it on the Government's restricted list? If it is, what is the reason given? Thanks Stefan ______________________________________________________________________________ Stefan Wi?niowski Kresy-Siberia Foundation President Virtual Museum/Wirtualne Muzeum: www.Kresy-Siberia.org Discussion group/Grupa dyskusyjna: www.facebook.com/groups/KresySiberiaGroup/ Facebook Page/Strona na fejsie: https://www.facebook.com/KresySiberia/
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Military Service
I have been trying to locate additional military serviceinformation about my father, Aleksander Trojanowski (1909-1972), who was fromthe Village of Horodyszcze, a ruralmunicipality Krzywoszyn, in the Baranowiczedistrict of the Nowogródek provincein Poland. Recently, the International Tracing Service sent me adocument that contained basic information about his military service and someother information as follows: · Attended elementaryschool in Kol. Horodyszcze, Poland from 1916 to 1923 · Served as an enlistedman in the Polish Calvary from 1935 to September 1939 at the “Fortress” inBaranowicze · Captured by theGermany army in September 1939 · Prisoner of War inDemblin, Poland · Prisoner of War inStalag II-A in Neubrandenburg, Germany from October 1939 to November 1940 · Prisoner of War inStalag 13-B in Weiden, Germany from November to December 1940 · Prisoner of War andworked in a stone pit in Marktredwitz, Germany from December 1940 to May 1945 · Liberated in May 1945 · Lived in a DisplacedPersons Camp in Marktredwitz, Germany from May to October 1945 · Served in the UnitedStates Army’s 112th Labor Supervision Center as a military guard inNurnberg, Bamberg, Breitengussbach, and Furth, Germany from October 1945 toNovember 1951 · Emigrated to theUnited States in December 1951 His military tile was listed as "Master," could that mean master sergeant? Are there other members of the group who had relatives stationedin Baranowicze or imprisoned at one of the above Prisoner of War camps? I have contacted the CentralMilitary Archives in Warsaw and the Polish Archive of the Ministry of National Defense who do not have any recordof my father’s service. Does anyone haveany suggestions about whom I should contact next about military records? I did aGoogle search for “Calvary, Fortress, and Baranowicze” and came up with the following: Nowogródzka Cavalry Brigadeheadquartered was in Baranowicze. Can anyone recommenda book about this Brigade? Thanks so much.
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The Rape of Europa
Greetings Friends: I just finished watching a movie/documentary called "The Rape of Europa". https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Rape_of_Europa' It details how the Nazis stole and destroyed valuable works of art in Europe. There is a very nice section that focuses on the entire destruction and rebuilding of Warsaw and the The Royal Castle in Warsaw (Zamek Królewski w Warszawie). If you're a Netflix subscriber it's Free -- You can also watch it on Amazon Prime Movies for a fee. Hope you get a chance to watch it if you haven't seen it already. Have a great day! Best wishes, Janina Wallag Pagano
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