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I greet. My history 1939-1947 is on page: www.us.wroc.pl/bio-rytm/main.htm After Polish and Anglsh. I invite to cooperation. ---------------ooo-(.)(.)-ooo---------------------------- INFO SERVICE POLAND (1981) Mr. W.S. CZAPSKI POLAND 50-983 WROCLAW 14 P.O.BOX 1954 TEL/FAX/BBS:+48 (71) 3383838 mobile:+48 (601) 511109 e-mail: biorytm@... http://www.us.wroc.pl/bio-rytm/main.htm Uzupenieniem oprawy uroczystoci moe ju by przeniesienie wizi emocjonalnej rodowiska (urodziny, lub, ...) rozsianego po wiecie NATYCHMIAST!! w postaci: tekstu, gosu, foto, video - elektronicznie. Wystarczy wskaza adresy poczty elektronicznej. ZAPRASZAMY. ----------------------------------------------------------:))))))

You might also try the Sikorski institute, they possibly might have some info on this Polish Institute and Sikorski Museum, 20 Princes Gate, London SW7 1PT, Tel; (00 48) (0)207 589 9249 Paul ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Home page; www.havers-family.co.uk Eastern Borderlands of II RP; www.kresy.co.uk ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ This message has been checked for all known Viruses ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Researching; Glebowski, Paprocki, Skikiewicz, Szostak ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

My apologies, something went wrong with the last post Cindi try this address as well Polish Institute and Sikorski Museum, 20 Princes Gate, London SW7 1PT, Tel; (00 48) (0)207 589 9249 Paul ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Home page; www.havers-family.co.uk Eastern Borderlands of II RP; www.kresy.co.uk ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ This message has been checked for all known Viruses ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Researching; Glebowski, Paprocki, Skikiewicz, Szostak ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

I think it's a good move to goto an automated group. Like Stefan mentioned being a YahooGroup there are sponsors adverts on each message. Presently I am working with Stefan on a website associated with the group. I also hope to be able to offer (soon) a mailing list for the group with the usual subscribe and unsubscribe features. This could also be associated with the website domainname/website. Once the dust settles from getting the website underway I'll have more time to look at the mailing list - if needed. Cheers Steve

Linder Thanks for the encouragement and for the correction of your details. I can not take credit for the previous explanations - it is the power of the network at work! NB please send e-mails to the group in the future to the new list address: Kresy-Siberia@... Cheers -- Stefan Wisniowski Australia ---------- From: "Linder Ladbrooke" <linder@...> Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 12:24:59 +0100 To: "Stefan Wisniowski" <swisniowski@...> Subject: From Linder in England Dear Stefan, I suspect that I gave you the wrong spelling of a place you looked up for me. Should be; KROSNENSKA/KRESNENSKA - somewhere between LWOW and USSR [Siberia Camps] Sorry, eyes get a bit ??? at my age [50]!! Thank you for explaining what 'Knyha Pamiati Ukrainy' means, now I can see why it's not on the Library bookshelves here in England. Paul Havers [from the Poland-L list] is looking for it and I will ask Brian Lenius when he's had his honeymoon, if he has it. It was in this book that I'm told Kresnenska in mentioned as a burial place of 'maybe' family soldiers, buried in 1944 Linder PS - you're going great guns with the new list - keep it up

Foto servis 17.09.2001 Wrocaw. Agresia ZSRR to Poland 17.09.1939 memory. W.Czapski ---------------ooo-(.)(.)-ooo---------------------------- INFO SERVICE POLAND (1981) Mr. W.S. CZAPSKI POLAND 50-983 WROCLAW 14 P.O.BOX 1954 TEL/FAX/BBS:+48 (71) 3383838 mobile:+48 (601) 511109 e-mail: biorytm@... http://www.us.wroc.pl/bio-rytm/main.htm Uzupenieniem oprawy uroczystoci moe ju by przeniesienie wizi emocjonalnej rodowiska (urodziny, lub, ...) rozsianego po wiecie NATYCHMIAST!! w postaci: tekstu, gosu, foto, video - elektronicznie. Wystarczy wskaza adresy poczty elektronicznej. ZAPRASZAMY. ----------------------------------------------------------:))))))

Thank you for this, Wladyslaw. Wow! I have translated this (in schoolboy Polish) as a public service. Can anybody please visit this new site (in Polish) and let me know if you can make it work for you? Thanks Stefan. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Premier Jerzy Buzek opened the "Index of the Repressed" Internet Center in the Karta offices in Warsaw, incorporating data on Polish citizens "repressed" in the USSR after 17 September 1939. In the internet version of the database (www.indeks.karta.org.pl), opened yesterday, are records on 120,000 people arrested during the Soviet occupation in 1939-41. "Whichever political party comes to power, there have to be ongoing examinations of recent history and non-governmental organisations must exist to undertake this task" - said the government leader yesterday. Present for the opening of the internet version of the index, President Leon Kieres of the Institute for National Memory (Institut Pamieci Narodowej) assured that the Institute does not wish to take the place of such public institutions like Karta, but rather wishes to cooperate with them. ---------- From: "Wladyslaw Czapski" <biorytm@...> Reply-To: "Wladyslaw Czapski" <biorytm@...> Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2001 08:29:29 +0200 To: "Julian Ustrzycki" <julian2u@...> Cc: "Adam BURDA" <Adamburda21@...>, "Pani Wright" <rprior@...>, "Stefan Wisniowski" <swisniowski@...> Subject: zrodlo <> PREMIER OTWORZY? INTERNETOWE CENTRUM "INDEKSU REPRESJONOWANYCH" Premier Jerzy Buzek otworzy? w warszawskim Os?rodku "Karta" Internetowe Centrum "Indeksu Represjonowanych", zawieraja?ce dane o obywatelach polskich represjonowanych w ZSRR po 17 wrzes?nia 1939. W otwartej wczoraj wersji internetowej dokumentacji (adres www.indeks.karta.org.pl) znalaz?y sie? dane o 120 tysia?cach osób, aresztowanych w czasie okupacji sowieckiej w latach 1939-41. Niezalez?nie od tego, jaka opcja polityczna be?dzie rza?dzi?a, musza? byc? kontynuowane badania nad historia? najnowsza? i musza? istniec? zajmuja?ce sie? tym os?rodki pozarza?dowe - powiedzia? wczoraj szef rza?du. Obecny podczas otwarcia internetowej wersji Indeksu prezes IPN Leon Kieres zapewni?, z?e Instytut nie chce zaste?powac? takich spo?ecznych instytucji jak "Karta", ale chce z nimi wspó?pracowac? ---------------ooo-(.)(.)-ooo---------------------------- INFO SERVICE POLAND (1981) Mr. W.S. CZAPSKI POLAND 50-983 WROCLAW 14 P.O.BOX 1954 TEL/FAX/BBS:+48 (71) 3383838 mobile:+48 (601) 511109 e-mail: biorytm@... http://www.us.wroc.pl/bio-rytm/main.htm Uzupe?nieniem oprawy uroczystos?ci moz?e juz? byc? przeniesienie wie?zi emocjonalnej s?rodowiska (urodziny, s?lub, ...) rozsianego po s?wiecie NATYCHMIAST!! w postaci: tekstu, g?osu, foto, video - elektronicznie. Wystarczy wskazac? adresy poczty elektronicznej. ZAPRASZAMY. ----------------------------------------------------------:))))))

Stefan Is there any way to get the adverts to switch of it's causing a download problem and will slow things down when they (messages) get bounced between subscribers I know that Topica only has a footer advert in plain text and it's fast Paul ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Home page; www.havers-family.co.uk Eastern Borderlands of II RP; www.kresy.co.uk ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ This message has been checked for all known Viruses ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Researching; Glebowski, Paprocki, Skikiewicz, Szostak ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

I would like to offer some advice from my experience with a Yahoo group; To avoid the adverts that arrive with group emails specify in "edit my membership" that you don't want emails from group members sent automatically to your mailbox. Instead specify that you want to go to the Kresy-Siberia Group site itself to read the latest messages as well as to post your own messages from there. I also find this easier as you can trace the threads as well as checking archives and keywords. I find my email box gets filled pretty quick. (I specified that I would rather not receive emails in my mail box--but for some reason I still am.) Also many people who are not core members or who seldom post messages are turned off by a daily flood of emails. Some prefer just to periodically browse the group site and check the postings or access the archives for specific topics at their leisure. Members who post should also be aware that all the postings will in time become part of the public domain and will appear in search engines etc. What you write will be out there for everyone to read. Which is a good thing as it will facilitate in spreading our news and info out there. Google for instance picks up every name and descriptive word. I was thrilled to see all my postings to APAP and PolesandJews (a Yahoo group like this one) out there and have received a few inquiries via this route. I think members would agree that postings should not only be relevant to the group but well-written and properly presented. Short messages saying "hi" or making a passing comment or correction just clog the site and dull the reader's brain. I think of a posting as an articulate and researched presentation to a group gathered at a seminar focusing on a specific subject. With proper punctuation and grammar and footnotes where possible. Thanks Chris Gladun

I was wondering if anyone can help with this email request. I get countless such pleas via my site "Poland's Holocaust" http://www.geocities.com/chrisgladun/intro.html --------------------------------------------------------------------- My husband, Stanislaus Korzenko, was born in Naliboki, Poland. His father Bolek Korzenko was a member of the partisans in Naliboki but was sent with his family to the work camps in Germany where his wife and yougest daughter died. I am compiling a family history for my husband, who was only 1 year old or so when taken to Germany (although he remembers many details of his nine years there in DP camps). Can you help with resources that might lead me to more information on the partisan members/ His father had a medal (lost) given him for his work in the partisan group would you know what it was? My husband remembers that is was beautiful, blue and gold? with the polish eagle. Thank you for your help. Candace Korzenko candyk@... --------------------------------------------------------------------- The details and timeframe in the request are undetermined but it certainly has a Kresy aspect(Wilno-Nowogrodek) and Naliboki is in the news as the following report attests: The investigative unit of the National Remembrance Institute (IPN) will ask the Byelorussian prosecution authorities to open an investigation into the [war] crime committed at Naliboki in the Nowogrodek district. The [Polish] investigation of this crime has been conducted since April 1996 by the District Commission for Prosecuting Crimes against the Polish Nation in Lodz. The Lodz IPN reopened it on March 20, 2001. The crime has been brought again to light recently by the Polish Canadian Congress. According to the current results of the investigation, in Naliboki, during the night of 8/9 May 1943, Soviet partisans massacred the Polish population. 128 men and 3 women were killed. These people were led out of their homes at night, and shot. Their property was stolen, and their homes burnt. Apart from the massacre in Naliboki, the IPN wants to investigate also the shooting of 10 people in the village of Derevno (December 1943), and the execution of 19 soldiers of the Home Army (AK) in Kamien (May 1943). Note: The circumstances of the Naliboki massacre, in which participated the Jewish units "Jerusalem" (commander Bielski) and "Pobeda" (commander Zorin) are described at http://www.kpk.org/KPK/toronto/koniuchy.pdf (pages 24-25 and footnotes) Chris Gladun

You see W.Czapski ps. may pages www.us.wroc.pl/bio-rtym/main.htm ----- Wiadomosc oryginalna ----- Od: <cgladun@...> Do: <Kresy-Siberia@...> Wyslano: 20 wrzesnia 2001 19:18 Temat: [Kresy-Siberia] Naliboki search for partisans

I have been away for the past couple of weeks visiting my mother and aunt in Buffalo New York. Their family grew up in the eastern borderlands and I was able to obtain more stories during my visit. My grandfather, Jan Norek ( a military settler), owned a farm approximately 3km. from Osada Wolakrybutowiecka and 5 km from Wisnowiec. He joined General Ander's army to escape the Soviet Union and was able to get his family out safely. Does anyone on the list have relatives who settled in this general vicinity? I plan to take a field trip to Stanford to take a look at the papers of General Anders and would be glad to look up information for others while there. I also greatly appreciate Irene Czernichowska's assistance in working at the Hoover Institute Archives. Don Dudley

Dear Don, I look forward to exchanging stories and info. My mother's family (Sulkowski) settled in Krzemieniec in 1934 which is just up the road from Wisnowiec (20kms) and even less from Wola Korybutowiecka. They were deported to Kazakhstan and the Gulag. My father (Gladun) was born in Krzemieniec as was his father. He survived Katyn and joined the Anders Army. Good Luck, Chris Gladun, Toronto

Irene has looked for my family's specific names, and has sent me info on one of them (Stanislawa Wisniowska). Don, when you go to the Hoover, I would appreciate your help in finding anything at all in the Hoover referring to the settlement of WARSZAWKA. This was a civilian settlement 6km north of BRODY, set up in the early 1920's by Polish settlers who purchased their land. I understand that the majority of them were deported on 10 Feb 1940. I believe that there are several sources of information in the archives there, including files organised by Powiat (county) and Wojewódstwo (voivodship) of origin. Perhaps Irene can give us all some advice on this? -- Stefan Wisniowski Australia

BBC Radio presents the story of "A Forgotten Odyssey", aired on last Monday 17 September. It will be on their website probably for only for another day or so. If you are interested, please go to http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/womanshour/17_09_01/monday/info4.shtml Here is the description of the program: Monday 17 September 2001. Just sixteen days after Hitler invaded Poland from the west, the Russians rolled in from the east. Whole communities had to abandon their homes and were packed into cattle trains heading into the depths of Russia. Some died along the way, many died in the labour camps where they were forced to work. Jenni Murray investigates this forgotten odyssey of nearly two million Poles, with Sister Aniela Nowak, who was evacuated to Russia, at the age of nine, and Anita Prazmowska, a Senior Lecturer in international history, at the London School of Economics. The film, 'Forgotten Odyssey' is being shown tonight on the BBC's History Channel. <Let me know if you know of any way to save this interview!> -- Stefan Wisniowski Australia

Hi List As well as having a VHS video recorder, the important part that has been missed out, is we operate on a signal called PAL, does Australia use PAL as well? John

Excerpts from: "Muslims Embrace Pope in Kazakstan" by Victor L. Simpson, Associated Press Astana, Kazakstan - Protected by massive security, Pope John Paul II arrived yesterday in this mostly Muslim nation and was welcomed as a voice of reason in the tense climate in Central Asia following the terrorist attacks in the United States. ------------ Hours before John Paul arrived, an armored personnel carrier fitted with a small cannon and carrying snipers in black balaclava masks pulled up to a memorial he planned to visit--a sign of the "unprecedented" security measures Kazak officials promised to take in this sleepy Central Asian capital. ------------ The Pope's first stop on the four-day visit was a memorial to the victims of Soviet repression, where he laid a wreath and prayed for five minutes, leaning on his cane. The memorial honors millions of people who were exiled to the harsh Kazak steppes and imprisoned in Soviet-era labor camps. Hundreds of thousands perished, but many of those who have survived to this day--including Poles, Ukrainians and other Catholics--were expected in Astana to see the Pope. "To think that we should have lived to see this day!" said 75-year old Anna Bukharova, a Pole who was deported from Soviet Ukraine in 1936. "We await the Pope's blessing." --END-- I think the year 1936 must be a typo. Eve Jankowicz New Jersey, USA

Dear Eve, Thank you the report on the Pope's visit to Kazakhstan. There are many Poles there whom the Polish government is trying to repatriate. My mother sent money and supplies for Polish schools in Kazakhstan and received letters written in old-fashioned Polish intermingled with Russianisms and local languages. The date 1936 is probably not a typo. Many Poles found themselves trapped in the USSR even as Poland was reborn after WWI. From the chapter Poland, the Enemy Nation in "The Black Book of Communism": "By 1924 the repatration of Poles under the Treaty of Riga was coming to an end, although there were still between 1.1 and 1.2 million in the USSR. The vast majority of these lived in either Ukraine and Belorussia." p.364 "The Poles, regardless of whether they were Soviet citizens, suffered every aspect of Stalinist terror: the hunt for spies, dekulakization, anticlericalism, national and ethnic "cleansing," the Great Purge, the purges of border regions and of the Red Army itself, "pacification" operations to help the Polish communists into power, and all the forms that terror took, including forced labor, the execution of prisoners of war, and mass deportations of groups of people labeled as "socially dangerous elements." p364 "In Ukraine, Polish resistance [to collectivization] was fierce and had to be broken by force. According to figures at the time, the population of the regions inhabited by Poles fell by around 25% in 1933 alone." p365 "In the summer of 1937, the NKVD embarked on new repressions against national minorities, beginning with the Germans and moving on to the Poles." p366 "According to an NKVD report of 10 July 1938, the number of prisoners of Polish origin was 134,519, 53% of whom came from Ukraine or Belorussia. Between 40 and 50 percent (between 54,000 and 67,000) were shot. The survivors were sent to camps or deported to Kazakhstan. The Poles account for some 10% of the total number of victims of the Great Purge and for around 40% of the victims of purges against national minorities. These figures are, if anything understated, since thousands of Poles were deported from Ukraine and Belorussia for reasons unconnected with the "Polish Operation." p367 And Soviet deportations of Poles to Kazakhstan and the Gulag continued AFTER the end of World War Two. But that is another chapter. Chris Gladun, Toronto

I would like to introduce Marek Duchnowski to the group. Please visit his site. I have already put a link to it on "www.AForgottenOdyssey.com". Perhaps you can put a link on your site to that one and to the mailing list, Marek. Regards, Stefan ---------- From: Marek Duchnowski <marek@...> Date: Thu, 07 Jan 1904 02:56:35 +0100 To: Stefan Wisniowski <swisniowski@...> Subject: Re: Kresy-Siberia Dear Stefan Dziekuje bardzo za witanie. My background is that I am a second generation Pole brought up by Polish parents in Manchester,UK. My father was a young boy who went through the terrible ordeal of being removed forcibly from their home in Rowne in 1940. He will not talk about his experiences because it is too painful for him. His little sister Basia died on the trucks of starvation. My connection with all of this began last year at a meeting of the Association of the families of Borderland settlers annual meeting which my father and myself attended. What transpired at this meeting was that a book had been translated into English by an ex English headmaster entitled "Stalins Ethnic Cleansing" so that generations of Poles living abroad that could not speak English could still find out about what had happened. Because of this book I know what he went through and my children will also know. This is an extremely important book for all the Polish generations. Iwas so taken a back that I dedicated my time to develop the website www.stalinsethniccleansing.com to promote the book and hopefully build links with Poles like yourself all over the World. I would be grateful if you could make people aware of the site and please could you encourage anyone to forward their website details so we can create some cross links and hopefully increase the traffic. I am really looking forward to being part of the group and hopefully can contribute Czesc Marek Duchnowski