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Dear Mr. Wisniowski,

Recently browsing the internet, I noticed your advisory about the
Kresy-Siberia discussion group as forwarded by Mr. Ted Mirecki, moderator of
the APAP discussion group in the US (of which I am not a member, but rather a
periodic browser of its public archives). I do not know Mr. Mirecki, but I
feel obliged to him for this contact.

I have today applied for membership in your group as you will undoubtedly soon
discover or already know. My reason for doing so is a strong feeling of
kinship with people who may share my past and my bleak lack of otherwise good
and plentiful friends who may even want to but cannot know where I came from
and how it happened. Underscoring of course that it is possibly important only
to me, but hoping that maybe some others as me as well.

I was born in Isphahan (Isfahan in Polish) on Oct. 14, 1942. My pregnant (with
me) mother arrived in Iran (w Persji in family language) on one of the initial
transports evacuating children and women. My father did not succeed in joining
her since he died of typhus yet in the Soviet Union (w Rosji in family
language) before I was born in Iran. He was buried in a mass military grave in
Kermine.

My mom was faced with the life situation of a fatherless family. A newborn, a
5-yr old daughter, and her own mother as responsibilities without a husband in
time of brutal war and bleak prospects.

My father was a forester (lesniczy), my mom was a school teacher, my
grandmother was a saint, and my sister is just wonderful.

I am of course the fly in the soup, but I do know some of that history, I have
plenty of photographs from Iran, Lebanon, and England to share, and I maybe
may help others as they may help me.

Some of my pertinent background. Arrived in the US in 1952 at 10 years of age
from England. Latter part of primary education in the US and all of secondary
and higher education in the US. Citizenship - US only. Nationality - US.
Morawski is an American name by virtue of American Morawskis. I know it came
from Poland. Now it is also an American name :) Be kind to me, please?

Once worked up great sweats helping the Polish cause under Soviet (as saw it
and see it) occupation. Now disinterested in current Polish affairs since it
is their country without external brute force, and rightly none of my business
per my own moral requirements. Of course I continue my sentimental well
wishing, but I now do not have any right of even comment on their own internal
affairs, and that is just what I have always hoped for with regard to Poland.

Now that I briefly and most likely inadequately farsed about who I am, time to
end with what I am. Worthless couple of ounces of ash for sure, but while
still alive and kickin' in my naps on the bus to work ... Electronics engineer
by early and distant history, into computers before such as compter science
gained needless recognition at alma maters, did things at AIAA, did things at
IEEE, did things at mil dot com, now in private for-profit industry in
publishing related to things heretofore did.

I really am a mild and unargumentative person today. I promise to be friendly.
I don't flame people on the internet. I would like to join this group of
people likely just like me.

Ted Morawski

PS - Just to be informative, not in bragging but in advising of resources: I
think that I speak and write in the Polish language tolerably well. W
Szczebrzeszynie chrzaszcz brzmi w trzcine rzekla na to nasza
Kosmopolitanczykiewiczowna and such. :)

From: "Barbara Proko" <bjproko@...>
Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2001 16:11:25 -0700
To: swisniowski@...
Subject: Re: Kresy-Siberia group

Hi Stefan,

All my grandparents (Polish Catholics) came from Western Belarus--small
villages near Radun and Scucin. They emigrated to the US prior to World War
I and all settled in Worcester, Massachusetts.

I've learned recently that several members of their families in Belarus were
deported to Siberia and Kazahkstan, either during or after World War II.
This whole deportation issue is a new topic to me. I have only the barest
details about who was deported, to where, and what became of them. My family
doesn't really know.

In the course of my genealogy research over the past 5 years, I've been
actively involved in identifying and locating cousins in Belarus that my
family in the US had lost contact with decades ago. I just got back from a
2-week trip to Belarus, where I met several cousins, including some whom I
literally didn't even know existed.

I hope to broaden this circle and reconnect more of our family by learning
whatever I can about the members whose lives were changed by deportation.

I heard about this group through one of my other listservs, but can't recall
whether it was Polish Genius or another one.

Thanks,

Barbara Proko
(originally Prokopowicz)

From: "Wladyslaw Czapski" <biorytm@...>
Reply-To: "Wladyslaw Czapski" <biorytm@...>
Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2001 06:34:31 +0100
To: "Stefan Wisniowski" <swisniowski@...>
Subject: Nowe groby pod Kijowem

To oficjalne dane. Podaj Polska Agencja Prasowa.
Prosze to w skrocie podac dla grupy.
W.Czapski.
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Polscy specjalis?ci natrafili w Bykowni na Ukrainie na s?lady
potwierdzaja?ce, z?e znajduja? sie? tam groby polskich oficerów - ofiar
NKWD - poinformowa? PAP Andrzej Przewoz?nik, Sekretarz Generalny Rady
Ochrony Pamie?ci Walk i Me?czen?stwa (ROPWiM).
"Znalez?lis?my m.in. 70 par polskich oficerek, polskie buty damskie,
polskie monety oraz notatnik zapisany po polsku" - powiedzia?
Przewoz?nik. W Bykowni odkryto oko?o 30 masowych mogi?.
Przewoz?nik poinformowa?, z?e w lasach Bykowni odnaleziono tez?
umundurowanie kolejarskie.
W po?owie paz?dziernika na Ukraine? pojecha?a grupa polskich
蝉辫别肠箩补濒颈蝉迟ó飞.
Wyniki ich prac be?da? mia?y wp?yw na to, co dalej be?dzie dziac? sie? w
Bykowni: czy powstanie tam symboliczny cmentarz, pomnik czy ofiary be?da?
ekshumowane. Spoczywaja? tam bowiem nie tylko polskie ofiary NKWD.
Prawde? o masowych grobach w Bykowni ujawniono dopiero w 1989 r. Nigdy
nie przeprowadzono tu pe?nej ekshumacji. Dok?adnie nie wiadomo, ilu
ludzi pochowano w podkijowskim lesie. Na ogó? podaje sie? szacunki od 20
tysie?cy do nawet 100 tysie?cy grobów.




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From: ProfKaren@...
Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 18:42:20 EST
To: Kresy-Siberia-owner@...
Subject: Subscribe

Hello. I'm interested in joining this mailing list. My great aunt and her
family were Sybiracy.

Dr. Karen Majewski
St. Mary's College
Orchard Lake, Michigan

From: cgladun@...
Reply-To: Kresy-Siberia@...
Date: Fri, 05 Oct 2001 14:59:31 -0000
To: Kresy-Siberia@...
Subject: [Kresy-Siberia] Re: "Rescued from Death in Siberia"

The film is owned by the producer Michael Adamski who has produced
and shot numerous films in Poland and Canada, concentrating on
historical and travel themes.

He has sold copies of " Rescued from Death in Siberia" to the Toronto
Public Library and to the Montreal Polish Library at McGill
University in Montreal. We have hopes it will be shown be on a local
TV program 'Polish Studio'.

Toronto Councillor Chris Korwin-Kuczynski, Professor Wrobel of the
University of Toronto and the president of the Polish-Canadian
Congress have confirmed they will attend the premiere at Zwiazkowiec
Oct. 13, 1650 Bloor St.W, Toronto, 2 p.m.

A video copy of "Rescued from Death in Siberia" is $25.00 plus
postage. Contact Michael Adamski at madamski@...

Chris Gladun, Toronto

Wladyslaw asks me to pass on the following:

Jewish Polish soldiers of General Anders deserted to the Israeli Army in
1942. Anders never punished anybody for this desertion. It is hard to
count, but about 15% of Polish soldiers went to the Israeli army. Of

Polish soldiers about 4,000 went over to Israel. In Israel during the

war Jewish soldiers gave out commands in Polish.

Wladyslaw, this is broadly in line with my information, although 4,000

of 70,000 is less than 6%.

Regards,
Stefan.

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From: "Wladyslaw Czapski" <biorytm@...>
Reply-To: "Wladyslaw Czapski" <biorytm@...>
Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 09:34:17 +0200
To: "Stefan Wisniowski" <swisniowski@...>
Subject: Zydzi w 1942 IRAN

Napisz ze Zydzi jako polski zolnierz Gen.W.Andersa dezerterowal do

IZRAEL - 1942. Nigdy Gen.W.Anders nikogo nie karal za dezercje. Trudno
policzyc ale okolo 15% polskich zolniezy przeszlo do armi IZRAEL. Na

polskich zolnierzy przeszlo okolo 4000 do Izraela.
W Izraelu podczas wojny 1968 roku ZYDZI ZOLNIERZE wydawali rozkazy po
polsku.?

From: grace@...
Reply-To: Kresy-Siberia@...
Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2001 15:03:53 -0000
To: Kresy-Siberia@...
Subject: [Kresy-Siberia] Re: FW: "Arkhangelsk" database

Hi Alexander,
Thank you for providing the opportunity to follow up file information
on deported family members.
My problem is, and maybe someone else in the group can help me here,
that a) I don't know where my grandmother was sent to in Kazakhstan b)
I don't know her date of birth (though do know her father's name) and
c)don't know the date she died.
Anyone else in a similar situation who has had some success with
finding out the seemingly impossible?
Grace

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From: "Alexander Gur'yanov" <gurpolcom@m...>
Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2001 17:27:30 +0400
To: "Stefan Wisniowski" <swisniowski@p...>
Subject: "Arkhangelsk" database

Moscow, 27.10.2001
Dear Stefan,
Unfortunately, some temporary problems appeared with including the
"Arkhangelsk" database to our website. The principal obstacle is

that the

database contains a lot of errors and distorted informations

(even surnames)

which may be rather difficult to recognize and to restore its

proper values

by visitors of website.
It means that we need to continue our verification of

the "Arkhangelsk"

database by comparing to a lot of different archive sources. Up

to now the

main and almost only source is the card index in the
archives of Arkhangelsk Interior Affairs Office. Such a

verification is a

great piece of work.
Now we begin to cooperate with Center KARTA (Warsaw) in

verification of the

"Arkhangelsk"
database. Center KARTA will verify it with polish archives

sources. It will

be possible to expose the database only after the verification

will be

finished.

My promise to expose it soon appers to be premature, I am sorry

very much!

In this situation I will seek for family records of the members

of your

group by myself and answer the individual requests in the same

way as I have

answered (in Polish) your own request or request of Mark Terech.

It will be

better if any interested person will send the request directly to

my E-mail

address gurpolcom@m...

You may also direct your requests to Center KARTA in Warsaw:
indeks@k...

I would like to remind, that if everybody from your group needs

the official

archives
certificate, we are ready to send the requests to the archives in

each

region in former USRR. But the
signed letter from the person interested in the certificate is

necessary for

us to do it.
Please, send these requests (preferably in Polish) to our postal

address:

Polish Committee of the "Memorial" Society,
Russia, 103051 Moscow, Malyi Karetnyi Pereulok 12.

We need the following data being contained in the request (of

course, if

possible):
1. Surname, name, and father's name of repressed person, the year

and place

of birth (in the case of deportation - for all the members of

deported

family, with indication of the familiar relationship);

2. Place of living before arrest or depotation;
3. The time of arrest or deportation;
4. The kind of repression (arrest, sentence and imprisonment in

penal labour

camps, or deportation without any sentence);
5. The most important for us: the regions of staying in camps or

in exile in

the former USSR (especially the last place);
6. The time and place of discharge or the death;
7. The relationship of interested person to repressed person.

With the best regards - Alexander Gur'yanov

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+ http:/www.AForgottenOdyssey.com
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+ Send e-mails to: Kresy-Siberia@...
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• Members of family deported:

From: "Alexander Gur'yanov" <gurpolcom@...>
Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2001 17:27:30 +0400
To: "Stefan Wisniowski" <swisniowski@...>
Subject: "Arkhangelsk" database

Moscow, 27.10.2001
Dear Stefan,
Unfortunately, some temporary problems appeared with including the
"Arkhangelsk" database to our website. The principal obstacle is that the
database contains a lot of errors and distorted informations (even surnames)
which may be rather difficult to recognize and to restore its proper values
by visitors of website.
It means that we need to continue our verification of the "Arkhangelsk"
database by comparing to a lot of different archive sources. Up to now the
main and almost only source is the card index in the
archives of Arkhangelsk Interior Affairs Office. Such a verification is a
great piece of work.
Now we begin to cooperate with Center KARTA (Warsaw) in verification of the
"Arkhangelsk"
database. Center KARTA will verify it with polish archives sources. It will
be possible to expose the database only after the verification will be
finished.

My promise to expose it soon appers to be premature, I am sorry very much!

In this situation I will seek for family records of the members of your
group by myself and answer the individual requests in the same way as I have
answered (in Polish) your own request or request of Mark Terech. It will be
better if any interested person will send the request directly to my E-mail
address gurpolcom@...

You may also direct your requests to Center KARTA in Warsaw:
indeks@...

I would like to remind, that if everybody from your group needs the official
archives
certificate, we are ready to send the requests to the archives in each
region in former USRR. But the
signed letter from the person interested in the certificate is necessary for
us to do it.
Please, send these requests (preferably in Polish) to our postal address:

Polish Committee of the "Memorial" Society,
Russia, 103051 Moscow, Malyi Karetnyi Pereulok 12.

We need the following data being contained in the request (of course, if
possible):
1. Surname, name, and father's name of repressed person, the year and place
of birth (in the case of deportation - for all the members of deported
family, with indication of the familiar relationship);

2. Place of living before arrest or depotation;
3. The time of arrest or deportation;
4. The kind of repression (arrest, sentence and imprisonment in penal labour
camps, or deportation without any sentence);
5. The most important for us: the regions of staying in camps or in exile in
the former USSR (especially the last place);
6. The time and place of discharge or the death;
7. The relationship of interested person to repressed person.

With the best regards - Alexander Gur'yanov