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Book on Siberia/Wanda
Hi, my aunt in Poland was telling about how her father (my grandfather) was sent to Siberia and because there were a rich noble family and had connections they forged a document and he was released at ?an old age after spending 5 years in Siberia ?was put on a train back home to Kobryn and someone recognized him, he was so skinny with fleas under his arm pits, just awful he arrived on December 22nd and 2 days later died on December 24th, on his birthday! coincidentally December 24th is my birthday also, my aunt could not believe the coincidence my mother had to confirm it.I can ask her to write me everything she remembered her father Tomasz Adam Dabrowski told her, he also sent letters from Siberia, I will scan and email it to you for the book.
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Re: Forgotten? Not even acknowledged
The biggest problem is that people in the West didn't know about the Soviet
invasion in '39 and what went on in those areas after that date. Nobody cared to ask as the Germans were allied with the Soviets until the invasion of the Soviet Union when we all became allies against Hitler. Supposedly then there were other more important things to sort out, only later if my history serves me right when the big three met up Stalin wanted it all, Roosevelt didn't give a damn about eastern Poland and Churchill although he tried valiantly was outnumbered and had no choice in this matter. (His memoirs ought to be read on this subject) When I used to travel as a child to see my g/parents those things were taboo in Poland, none of the kids my age even knew about it. The history books were "rewritten" by the "UB" Service, or as my g/father called them "Poprawiacze Histori". The mere mention of these things was enough to get you sent to a "colder" climate It seemed strange to me that all of this was/had been covered up, only later as I grew older did I begin to understand the magnitude of it all and why my g/parents clung to the old traditions and values which my mum passed on to me We even had the old Polish Eagle hanging on the wall, the one with the crown on it's head and my g/father refused to remove it Something else to think on, my mum was born in Biala, Podole, Poland. which is on her birth certificate, but her passport said different Old Polish - Biala, Ukraine, ZSSR How can this be changed at will, it should stay as it was since where she was born wasn't Ukraine at that time, no matter how much we ask the Polish Consulate for explanations, the same thing always comes back "Silence" Paul To: Kresy-Siberia@... cc: Subject: [Kresy-Siberia] Forgotten? Not even acknowledged "marysiagrace " <grace@... om> 05/12/01 14:06 Please respond to Kresy-Siberia Did anyone watch the 3-hour special on the Discovery Channel the other night called The Colour of War? It was a very well put together WW2 documentary that used a lot of live (and colour) footage coupled with first-hand accounts from diary entries and letters. Distressing indeed - not only because of the horrors and magnitude of the war depicted but, for this Kresy-Siberia member, because it focused entirely on the Nazis and Japanese as being the bad guys (which of course they were), and portrayed Stalin as an ally. Their only mention of the Polish occupation was in reference to the Germans and the atrocities carried out on the Polish Jews. Nothing was mentioned about the Russian occupation (except only to say that Germany had reneiged on its deal with Russia in carving up Poland - thus inferring Russia had a right to be there in the first place), or the deportations and deaths of Polish citizens. How did our families' plights get to be such a hidden piece of history? Grace |
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Re: Digest Number 65
Barbara Johnson
Not as yet but I'm sure that it will not be too far away. By the way I
do not think that I gave you an address? You must have been clever to find me? BJ Barbara B Johnson Senior Records Officer Records Management Services Edith Cowan University Telephone: 08 9273 8261 Mobile: 0409 371 800 E-mail: b.johnson@... Hmmm...swisniowski@... 6/12/01 11:53:38 am >>> Must be the virus... Better just look at the messages that were missed on the website. Did you get the videotape? -- Stefan Wisniowski Phoenix Group Level 7, 50 King Street Sydney NSW 2000 Australia Tel +61 2 9299 8138 Fax +61 2 9299 8168 Mob +61 4 1186 4873 E-mail swisniowski@... www.px.com.au From: "Barbara Johnson" <bbjohnso@...> ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ + KRESY-SIBERIA GROUP + Research, Remembrance, Recognition +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ + Websites: + +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ + Replies to this message will go directly to the full list. + Send e-mails to: Kresy-Siberia@... +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ + To SUBSCRIBE, send an e-mail to: + Kresy-Siberia-owner@... + saying who you are and your interest in the group +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ + To UNSUBSCRIBE from this group, send an email to: + Kresy-Siberia-unsubscribe@... +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to |
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Re: Digest Number 65
Stefan Wisniowski
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Must be the virus... Better just look at the messages that were missed on the website. Did you get the videotape? -- Stefan Wisniowski Phoenix Group Level 7, 50 King Street Sydney NSW 2000 Australia Tel +61 2 9299 8138 Fax +61 2 9299 8168 Mob +61 4 1186 4873 E-mail swisniowski@... www.px.com.au From: "Barbara Johnson" <bbjohnso@...> |
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Re: Digest Number 66
H. MacDonald
Yes, my computer suffered a virus. None of us should open emails with
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attachments from anyone before confirming the 'sender' actually did send a legitimate message with attachment. H. MacDonald ----- Original Message -----
From: <Kresy-Siberia@...> To: <Kresy-Siberia@...> Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2001 10:22 AM Subject: [Kresy-Siberia] Digest Number 66 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++you may know of (and invite them to join our group!).Russia Russianfor forcible deportation and slave labour of Polish people in many areprisons and labour camps. The efforts for compensation from the German otheraccepting applications from anyone that was deported to Siberia and profitparts of Soviet Russia from 1939 to 1957. We have registered a non parts ofcorporation under the name of "Former Polish Political Prisoners in USSR orthe world. persontheir descendants. The main objective right now is to collect as many presentwho was deported to USSR, the place of imprisonment in Russia , willaddress for contact ,signature and the date signed. This information willbe recorded and presented to the polish government, and if need be we Hague.engage legal experts to present the case to the International Court in paidRight now we are gathering intelligence as to what compensation Poland thisPoland $20 million US in the past and another $52 million in l990.'s If haveinformation if true than all Polish people who have been enslaved should elected Mrbeen compensated, not only those who returned to Poland after the war. action.Richard Wiktor Lacish to be the president and proceed with the legal joiningThe organization of Sybiracy in Florida are in support and will be prisoners inour efforts. We will be appealing in near future to all former 605,USSR to join and to send their application to Former Polish Political achivesEtobicoke, Ontario M9C lGl. tel: 416 621 5221 and my e-mail address is be ofthat hold detailed records of the deportations. I think The Group could looksgreat help in publicising this action, and collecting the applications. letto me that the Group is well qualified to help in this action. I will return isyou know when I will receive the video. I would like to know what fairexpected from the showing labourgroup of Polish people and most of them are survivors of the Russian information Icamps and prisons. I trust my message is not too long. Any more wewill pass along in the future are planning. Your story is exceptional. As i know the families wereeven now, through Red Cross and other agencies involved If you have moredetails I would love to hear all the details..am sure they are well aware of the possibilities awailable to them as far asthe compensation is concerned. They do receive supplements to their pensionsand other forms of assistance. Your relatives are probably are members ofone or the other groups. What we are trying to do is to fight forcompensation for all the people who did not return to Poland after the war.but it is 12 am witches hour so that 's what happened.the next time.is 12 am, witches hour. To compensate here is a beauutiful verse from St.Kresy-Siberia@... cc: Subject: Re: [Kresy-Siberia]Digest Number 65 Steve Roy |
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Re: Digest Number 65
Barbara Johnson
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BJ Barbara B Johnson Senior Records Officer Records Management Services Edith Cowan University Telephone: 08 9273 8261 Mobile: 0409 371 800 E-mail: b.johnson@... hel.mac@... 5/12/01 10:22:50 am >>> |
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Re: Siberia
Reply to Nadia:
We are in the process of collecting memoires of survivors of the work camps and prisons in Soviet Russia. The purpose? Their are the stories that were never told. If the facts were known maybe Allies would not have sold the Eastern Europe into russian slavery at Yalta. Editor of polish weekly in Toronto The Alliancer , Stanislaw Stolarczyk , will translate and edit this book in english lanquage. Canadian publlic does not know much of european history even less of polish.. Many people have passed on and their story will never be known. The book will contain only the details of survival in the camps. If You wish to contribute we will be happy to include Your story. Wanda |
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Books..........
We seem to have a abundance of authors on this list
I'm creating my mother's memories from her childhood into a book with any luck someone will publish it Paul * Fiserv CBS Division - Banking Technology for the Future. ** This e-mail should be considered confidential between Fiserv and the addressee organisation(s), and may be covered by legal, professional or other privilege (or other similar rules or laws). It should not be circulated to any third party without the prior written consent of the original author. If you are not the intended recipient, or a person responsible for delivering it to the intended recipient, you are not authorised to and must not disclose, copy, distribute, or retain this message or any part of it. Nor should you take any action with reference to it. If you have received this email in error please notify the sender immediately Fiserv (Europe) Limited - Registered in England & Wales No. 2467435. |
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Forgotten? Not even acknowledged
marysiagrace
Did anyone watch the 3-hour special on the Discovery Channel the
other night called The Colour of War? It was a very well put together WW2 documentary that used a lot of live (and colour) footage coupled with first-hand accounts from diary entries and letters. Distressing indeed - not only because of the horrors and magnitude of the war depicted but, for this Kresy-Siberia member, because it focused entirely on the Nazis and Japanese as being the bad guys (which of course they were), and portrayed Stalin as an ally. Their only mention of the Polish occupation was in reference to the Germans and the atrocities carried out on the Polish Jews. Nothing was mentioned about the Russian occupation (except only to say that Germany had reneiged on its deal with Russia in carving up Poland - thus inferring Russia had a right to be there in the first place), or the deportations and deaths of Polish citizens. How did our families' plights get to be such a hidden piece of history? Grace |
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Re: Soviet archives requests
marysiagrace
HI Jan and Nadia,
Thank you for your messages. I picked up the phone t'other day to call Mrs Goddard at the MOD re. my grandaddy Tadeusz Pundyk and while I was waiting to be connected and thinking about how I could explain myself effectively enough, I noticed that there is actually no 'official requirement' for my father's death certificate on the form they had sent me to prove that I am the next of kin, even though this is what they said they required in their covering letter. All that is required 'officially' is a copy of my grandfather's death certificate (which I have). So...I scrapped the idea of the phone call and instead decided to hedge my bets on the formalities of the form. Fingers crossed! Grace In Kresy-Siberia@y..., nadialars@a... wrote: Hello Grace.London (he joined the Polish forces and via Iran, Iraq ended up inPalestine) from these records I found out he was married at the time and later onfrom the red cross found it he had 2 sons! This summer I went to Poland tomeet my newfound family and my mother, his second wife went also, she flewfrom Israel together with my sister! it was a great reunion! The lady inLondon was extremely helpful.you never know what you might find, even a new family like I did!any idea about anyone, even my late fathers sister who is 80 and who I methad no idea she had 2 nephews, the sons of her brother living in Poland allthese years!!!! |
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Re: Digest Number 65
Steve
It did, Badtrans@MM, Paul To: Kresy-Siberia@... cc: Subject: Re: [Kresy-Siberia] Digest Number 65 Steve Roy <steve@... a> Sent by: steve@... 05/12/01 03:00 Please respond to Kresy-Siberia I think the original email from H. MacDonald may have a virus/worm attached to it. At least that's what it looked like with my mail reader (under Linux) Steve +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ + KRESY-SIBERIA GROUP + Research, Remembrance, Recognition +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ + Websites: + +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ + Replies to this message will go directly to the full list. + Send e-mails to: Kresy-Siberia@... +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ + To SUBSCRIBE, send an e-mail to: + Kresy-Siberia-owner@... + saying who you are and your interest in the group +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ + To UNSUBSCRIBE from this group, send an email to: + Kresy-Siberia-unsubscribe@... +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to |
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Re: Siberia
To all After I re read my message to my horror there ?I found few errors but it is 12 am witches hour so that 's what happened.
I have a beautiful verse I would like to share with All but that is for the next time. To my horror couple of errors sneaked up in my last message, but alas it is 12 am, witches hour. ?To compensate here is a beauutiful verse from St. Mary's Church, in Wilno, Kaszuby, Canada: May Love and Joy be yours to share, May You find beauty everywhere, May all Your days be sunny and bright, and stars light up Your way at night, May all Your fondest dreams come true And God forever walk with You. |
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Re: Siberia
Hi Nadia
I find your story very interesting. ?I collect such stories for the book we are planning. ??Your story is exceptional. ?As i know ?the families were trying to find each other regardles of circumstances, after the war and even now, through Red Cross and other agencies involved ?If you have more details I would love to hear ?all ?the details.. Sybiracy in Poland ?are well organized. ?In fact the group split i in the last few years. ?Head Office in Warsaw ?and ?another group in Wroclaw. ?I am sure they are well aware of the possibilities awailable to them as far as the compensation is concerned. ?They do receive supplements to their pensions and other forms of ?assistance. ?Your relatives are probably ??are members of one or the other groups. ?What we are trying to do is to fight for compensation for all the people who did not return to Poland after the war. ?? ??? Best regards Wanda |
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Wanda Truksa's contact details
Stefan Wisniowski
Dear all I have received several requests for Wanda's contact details. As
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you may know, the privacy filters on the mailing list remove the e-mail addresses from your posts unless you list them yourselves (as Paul always does). Because Wanda is trying to get in contact with as many survivors and families of survivors from the deportations, here is her e-mail again with full contact details. Please pass it on to any other survivors/families you may know of (and invite them to join our group!). -- Stefan Wisniowski Moderator, Kresy-Siberia From: Rwtruksa@... |
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Social Security Administration
I was wondering if anyone could help me with an electronic address
for the Social Security Administration in Baltimore, Maryland. The reason I ask is that i'm in Australia and I found an entry of a Wasyl Sycz who died in the USA in May 1979. This name is the same as that of my Grandfathers and I'd thought it would be worth a try to see if he was in fact my GF. Thanks Denis |
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