on 11/22/03 9:08 AM, tomasz iwanowski at iwanowski2@... wrote:

ZGram - Where Truth is Destiny: Now more than ever!

November 20, 2003

Good Morning from the Zundelsite:

This morning, I finished reading the transcript of November 7, the
last day of the Zundel bail hearings, which includes Doug Christie's
summation. I haven't yet received a write-up on what happened
yesterday in the Ontario Superior Court, but i understand that it,
too, was masterfully argued.

Will all this make a difference? In a dictatorship it won't.

Consider this: in a normal bail hearing, where there has been a
legal arrest and an official charge for wrongdoing, the average bail
hearing lasts only an hour. In Ernst's case, it has now lasted more
than six month and has not yet been decided - and there IS NO charge
whatsoever!

It is now coming down to the wire!

I am thinking of ways to put this to the American people. I have a
few ideas. All will involve the fraudulent "six million" phrase.

For instance: Isn't there an election coming up? In a nationwide
campaign, with the help of the America's alternative media, the
voting public could be asked in poll after poll after poll:

"Is it okay with you if I, a naturalized citizen who has survived
four dictators, now trade your hard-won freedom of speech to the
Kanadian Kommissars? I have fought for the Zundelsite since 1996 -
most of the time, alone! They want my American website. I want my
husband back. If it's okay with you, why should I care? If it is
not okay with you, here is the dotted line. I need 6 million
signatures to send those neo-Kommies packing."

That is one way. I can think of a few others.

A Six Million Dimes Drive to launch a public action suit to get the
Holocaust out of our schools? I am a child psychologist - I am
willing to put myself right in the line of fire and ask: "Just what,
exactly, IS the Holocaust? History? Or Dogma? I say it's child
abuse! If it is history, it must be scrutinized, like any other
claim in history. If it is dogma, it has no place in public schools.
If it is child abuse, what parent would allow it? Let's put all the
facts on the table, once and for all!"

A chain made out of six million queston marks for photo ops such as a
Wrap-Around-the-White-House?

Six million postcards, perhaps, for Nervous Nellies to distribute on
the sly that ask the simple question: "Why?" (
)

We'll see.

Meanwhile, here's something where you can participate if you live in
or near Toronto:

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CANADIAN ASSOCIATION FOR FREE EXPRESSION
----------------------------------------




FREE ERNST ZUNDEL RALLY!

Nov 23, 2003
2 PM


Metro West Detention Center
111 Disco Rd
Toronto, Ontario, Canada.


Ernst Zundel is a political prisoner being persecuted and prosecuted for no
crime other than expressing his views on the Second World War. At the
behest of the powerful and vindictive Holocaust Lobby, Mr. Zundel is being
held, without bail, in solitary confinement at the Metro West Detention
Center. He is being treated worse than a common criminal, denied even the
basic amenities provided to other prisoners.

In surreptitious, Star Chamber hearings, held behind closed doors, the
Canadian Security Intelligence Service (CSIS), relying on the questionable
testimony of highly-politicized government agents, concluded that Mr.
Zundel - an avowed pacifist - is a "security threat
to Canada." Mr. Zundel was not allowed to attend, or present evidence in
his own defense at these secretive proceedings. He has been denied the
right to face his accusers and their accusations.

Mr. Zundel came to Canada in 1958 and by any standards, was the model
immigrant and citizen, first putting himself through university in Montreal
and later becoming Canada's premiere graphic artist. His artistry graced
the covers of Canada's top national magazine and his
paintings - which invariably reflect his pacifist, nonviolent philosophy -
adorn the walls of some of the finest homes in the country. In his
profession, he provided meaningful employment to countless Canadians, both
young and not-so-young. Literally thousands of people - of every
race, color and creed - are proud to call Ernst Zundel their dear friend.

Ernst Zundel has never been convicted of any crime in Canada. His only
"crime" is a passionate defense of freedom of speech - the right to defend
his own German people against the libelous accusations of a very vocal and
powerful lobby. For his noble efforts, he has been beaten, bombed,
slandered and even thrown in jail by a shameful system, all too willing to
do the bidding of these special interest groups.

For over ten years, Ernst Zundel defended the rights of Canadians to
freedom of speech, even taking the battle to the Supreme Court of Canada,
where he ultimately won a victory for all Canadians in 1992, with the
abolition of the archaic, "False News" law.

Now Ernst Zundel needs YOUR help. Show the world that his fight for the
right of free expression was not in vain. Join freedom-loving people in
defense of our rapidly-eroding rights.

First they came for Ernst Zundel and I did not speak out because I was not
German.

Then they came for . . .



WHEN: SUNDAY, NOVEMBER 23, 2003, 2 pm.

WHERE: 111 Disco Rd, Toronto Ontario.
Disco Rd and Carlingview Drive.

WHY: For Freedom and Justice.


Watch for frequent updates on the Zundelsite





DIRECTIONS TO THE RALLY:
------------------------


From Downtown Toronto:

Take GARDINER EXWY W to 427
Take the HWY-427 exit- exit number 139- toward HWY-401.
Merge onto PROVINCIAL ROUTE 427 N.
Take the FASKEN DRIVE exit.
Turn RIGHT onto FASKEN DR.
Turn LEFT onto CARLINGVIEW DR.
Turn RIGHT onto DISCO RD.



From The United States (Niagara Falls Border):

Take QEW Toronto.
Take the HWY-427 exit- exit number 139- toward HWY-401.
Merge onto PROVINCIAL ROUTE 427 N.
Take the FASKEN DRIVE exit.
Turn RIGHT onto FASKEN DR.
Turn LEFT onto CARLINGVIEW DR.
Turn RIGHT onto DISCO RD.



From London/Windsor (Detriot Border crossing):


Take HIGHWAY 401 East
Take the exit- exit number 348- toward RENFORTH DRIVE/ HWY-427/ AIRPORT.
Merge onto HIGHWAY 401 COLLECTORS E.
Take the RTE-427 N/ HWY-427 N exit on the left toward AIRPORT.
Merge onto PROVINCIAL ROUTE 427 N.
Take the FASKEN DRIVE exit.
Turn RIGHT onto FASKEN DR.
Turn LEFT onto CARLINGVIEW DR.
Turn RIGHT onto DISCO RD.



CANADIAN ASSOCIATION FOR FREE EXPRESSION
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Hello Everyone,

I hate to be a spoiler, but I don't know anything about Ernst Zundel, but as
I read their website it just made me wonder what their connection is to our
group? Should we be rallying for them?

Terry Glowacki
California

--- tomasz iwanowski <iwanowski2@...> wrote:
---------------------------------


FREE ERNST ZUNDEL RALLY!


As much as I disapprove of the sections of the
Criminal Code of Canada that were used to convict
Zundel, I won't help him in any way.

He is, I am convinced, a Nazi and racist. He had
plenty of opportunity to avoid the circumstances in
which he currently finds himself.

Since he chose not to avoid them, I am perfectly
prepared to let him stew despite my objection to the
what is being done to him.

He is the agent of his own misfortune.

Cheers,
Lech

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ZGram - Where Truth is Destiny: Now more than ever!

November 20, 2003

Good Morning from the Zundelsite:

This morning, I finished reading the transcript of November 7, the
last day of the Zundel bail hearings, which includes Doug Christie's
summation. I haven't yet received a write-up on what happened
yesterday in the Ontario Superior Court, but i understand that it,
too, was masterfully argued.

Will all this make a difference? In a dictatorship it won't.

Consider this: in a normal bail hearing, where there has been a
legal arrest and an official charge for wrongdoing, the average bail
hearing lasts only an hour. In Ernst's case, it has now lasted more
than six month and has not yet been decided - and there IS NO charge
whatsoever!

It is now coming down to the wire!

I am thinking of ways to put this to the American people. I have a
few ideas. All will involve the fraudulent "six million" phrase.

For instance: Isn't there an election coming up? In a nationwide
campaign, with the help of the America's alternative media, the
voting public could be asked in poll after poll after poll:

"Is it okay with you if I, a naturalized citizen who has survived
four dictators, now trade your hard-won freedom of speech to the
Kanadian Kommissars? I have fought for the Zundelsite since 1996 -
most of the time, alone! They want my American website. I want my
husband back. If it's okay with you, why should I care? If it is
not okay with you, here is the dotted line. I need 6 million
signatures to send those neo-Kommies packing."

That is one way. I can think of a few others.

A Six Million Dimes Drive to launch a public action suit to get the
Holocaust out of our schools? I am a child psychologist - I am
willing to put myself right in the line of fire and ask: "Just what,
exactly, IS the Holocaust? History? Or Dogma? I say it's child
abuse! If it is history, it must be scrutinized, like any other
claim in history. If it is dogma, it has no place in public schools.
If it is child abuse, what parent would allow it? Let's put all the
facts on the table, once and for all!"

A chain made out of six million queston marks for photo ops such as a
Wrap-Around-the-White-House?

Six million postcards, perhaps, for Nervous Nellies to distribute on
the sly that ask the simple question: "Why?" (
)

We'll see.

Meanwhile, here's something where you can participate if you live in
or near Toronto:

[START]

CANADIAN ASSOCIATION FOR FREE EXPRESSION
----------------------------------------




FREE ERNST ZUNDEL RALLY!

Nov 23, 2003
2 PM


Metro West Detention Center
111 Disco Rd
Toronto, Ontario, Canada.


Ernst Zundel is a political prisoner being persecuted and prosecuted for no
crime other than expressing his views on the Second World War. At the
behest of the powerful and vindictive Holocaust Lobby, Mr. Zundel is being
held, without bail, in solitary confinement at the Metro West Detention
Center. He is being treated worse than a common criminal, denied even the
basic amenities provided to other prisoners.

In surreptitious, Star Chamber hearings, held behind closed doors, the
Canadian Security Intelligence Service (CSIS), relying on the questionable
testimony of highly-politicized government agents, concluded that Mr.
Zundel - an avowed pacifist - is a "security threat
to Canada." Mr. Zundel was not allowed to attend, or present evidence in
his own defense at these secretive proceedings. He has been denied the
right to face his accusers and their accusations.

Mr. Zundel came to Canada in 1958 and by any standards, was the model
immigrant and citizen, first putting himself through university in Montreal
and later becoming Canada's premiere graphic artist. His artistry graced
the covers of Canada's top national magazine and his
paintings - which invariably reflect his pacifist, nonviolent philosophy -
adorn the walls of some of the finest homes in the country. In his
profession, he provided meaningful employment to countless Canadians, both
young and not-so-young. Literally thousands of people - of every
race, color and creed - are proud to call Ernst Zundel their dear friend.

Ernst Zundel has never been convicted of any crime in Canada. His only
"crime" is a passionate defense of freedom of speech - the right to defend
his own German people against the libelous accusations of a very vocal and
powerful lobby. For his noble efforts, he has been beaten, bombed,
slandered and even thrown in jail by a shameful system, all too willing to
do the bidding of these special interest groups.

For over ten years, Ernst Zundel defended the rights of Canadians to
freedom of speech, even taking the battle to the Supreme Court of Canada,
where he ultimately won a victory for all Canadians in 1992, with the
abolition of the archaic, "False News" law.

Now Ernst Zundel needs YOUR help. Show the world that his fight for the
right of free expression was not in vain. Join freedom-loving people in
defense of our rapidly-eroding rights.

First they came for Ernst Zundel and I did not speak out because I was not
German.

Then they came for . . .



WHEN: SUNDAY, NOVEMBER 23, 2003, 2 pm.

WHERE: 111 Disco Rd, Toronto Ontario.
Disco Rd and Carlingview Drive.

WHY: For Freedom and Justice.


Watch for frequent updates on the Zundelsite





DIRECTIONS TO THE RALLY:
------------------------


From Downtown Toronto:

Take GARDINER EXWY W to 427
Take the HWY-427 exit- exit number 139- toward HWY-401.
Merge onto PROVINCIAL ROUTE 427 N.
Take the FASKEN DRIVE exit.
Turn RIGHT onto FASKEN DR.
Turn LEFT onto CARLINGVIEW DR.
Turn RIGHT onto DISCO RD.



From The United States (Niagara Falls Border):

Take QEW Toronto.
Take the HWY-427 exit- exit number 139- toward HWY-401.
Merge onto PROVINCIAL ROUTE 427 N.
Take the FASKEN DRIVE exit.
Turn RIGHT onto FASKEN DR.
Turn LEFT onto CARLINGVIEW DR.
Turn RIGHT onto DISCO RD.



From London/Windsor (Detriot Border crossing):


Take HIGHWAY 401 East
Take the exit- exit number 348- toward RENFORTH DRIVE/ HWY-427/ AIRPORT.
Merge onto HIGHWAY 401 COLLECTORS E.
Take the RTE-427 N/ HWY-427 N exit on the left toward AIRPORT.
Merge onto PROVINCIAL ROUTE 427 N.
Take the FASKEN DRIVE exit.
Turn RIGHT onto FASKEN DR.
Turn LEFT onto CARLINGVIEW DR.
Turn RIGHT onto DISCO RD.



CANADIAN ASSOCIATION FOR FREE EXPRESSION
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Julek
Glad to have you back!

Regards,
Stefan Wisniowski

Please welcome Karol Kordas to the group.

Regards
Stefan Wisniowski

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Ken

Thanks for sharing these photos and the details you put into the descriptions. ?Here are some comments.

On the photo of your dad and friends, it looks like that is short for "Boleslaw Kosy". Also, there is a statement by ?a Jan Jaworski archived in the Hoover Institution. ?If he is the same fellow, he was a farmer from Zbaraz, Tarnopol province.

On your father's baptism certificate, "LEWANDOWSKI" is a proper Polish name for the priest.

My great-grandfather Roman Wisniowski was also exiled to Siberia in 1863 after the rebellion but had to take the false name "TUCZYNSKI" to avoid detection by the Russians after he escaped back to Poland.

Regards,
Stefan Wisniowski

Hi All!

Two names appear on the back of a photo in my album from Iraq in Nov.1943.
I'm not certain of the first one, but it looks like ... Kosy Boli. and the
other is Jaworski Jan. Does anyone recognise these names?

Regards, Ken.

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Thank you all for your prayers and kind e-mails.
My family is safe and two days ago we moved into a rented home.
I just hooked up the computer today and I just wanted to let everyone
one know the family is safe, in good spirits, in good health in mind
and body.
I will be writing to you next week after I return from a business
trip and give you a short report of what happened and all that was
lost and the little that I saved. For your information I also lost
all the e-mail from 10/25 to 11/19 so if you sent anything to me
during that time please resend me the e-mail
Thank you again for your thoughts and prayers
Julek

Szkoda !

Andy Golebiowski
Buffalo, NY
USA

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Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 08:05:35 +0000
From: "Helena Danielczuk" <helena52@...>
Subject: Re: Mass and Wodka, but where ?

OOps sorry forget that world is small but not that
small! It is all in
London UK



Bye 4 now Hela.

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I gave my poem Polscy Chlopcy to my sister and unbeknownst to me she submitted it to the local newspaper where she lives.?

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What city and what's the name of the paper?

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Irene Tomaszewski

Montreal

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