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Re: Pahiatua
Stefan Wisniowski
John
Congratulations and thank you. Your achievements are a credit to all of the work you do on behalf of Polonia and the Sybiracy in New Zealand and around the world. -- Stefan Wisniowski (moderator) Sydney, Australia From: polish@... .. And finally may I share with you my delight at being presented with a Polish Cross- The Officer's Cross... J Roy-Wojciechowski Honorary Consul, Republic of Poland 51 Granger Road,Howick Auckland, New Zealand email polish@... ???? web. ??www.polishheritage.co.nz |
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Re: Pahiatua
Zbigniew Bob Styrna
Mr. J Roy-Wojciechowski,
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Thank you for updating us on your achievements. It is very 'milo" for me to hear that you were finally able to obtain a Birth Certificate from Minks. I'm so happy that the map helped. I only sent you a piece of that map because that was all I had at the time. Since then I was able to obtain the entire whole section of that WIG map. If you would like a copy I would be happy to send it to you.? The map is called P40_S40 Drohiczynpoleski B&W Regards Zbyszek -----Original Message-----
From: polish@... [mailto:polish@...] Sent: October 17, 2004 11:22 AM To: erniebrooks@...; S. and H. Manterys; polish Heritage Trust; Steve@...; Wydzial Konsularny; Halina; Simone Gigliotti; Ita Szymanska; judy.siers@...; W.S.Czapski; antora@...; Marian Goldmann; Janusz Rygielski; Dr.T.Niewodniczanski@...; Jim & Danusia; Ludmila Sakowski; Allan & Nancy Parker; Alina Suchanski; Daniel Silva; skippertim@...; Barry Colman; Philippa Gerrard; Pasek-Evans'; polishembassy.@...; Kresy-Siberia@...; Michael Adamski; Marian Goldmann; Dr.T.Niewodniczanski@...; Steve Roy; Jim & Danusia; Ludmila Sakowski; Alina Suchanski; Daniel Silva; skippertim@...; Barry Colman; Pasek-Evans'; polishembassy.@...; Kresy-Siberia@...; kaz@...; rjz@...; lee.higgins@...; jpisarek@...; tweg@...; editor@[email protected]; janusz@...; Beata.Stoczynska@... Subject: [Kresy-Siberia] Pahiatua << File: Attachment information..txt >> << File: Officer's CrossJR.jpg >> Hi K-S Group and other. You may be interested in happenings in New Zealand 1 This weekend the Polish Children and their Families celebrating their 60th anniversary of their arrival in NZ The programme includes unveiling of a commemorative plaque by the Mayor of Wellington 2 The Committee published a book, authored by over 100 "children" Details and information from Stefa Zawada polishchildren@... Very good read. 3 Krystyna Tomaszyk, author in her own rite and daughter of Krystyna Skwarko " The Invited" published her life story, titled "Essence" A very well written and interesting story. Krystyna can be contacted tomaszkc@... 4 Personal. With some help from Wladyslaw Czapski and Zgigniew Bob Styrma and a lot of work by the Consul in Minsk I have a copy of my Baptismal Certificate showing my date of birth. I am three months older that I have been over last 60 years. And finally may I share with you my delight at being presented with a Polish Cross- The Officer's Cross, copy of which is in the attachement and finally you can purchase my biography www.astrangeoutcome.com Thanks Steve. Please support the publications of New Zealnd Sibiraki. Thank you J Roy-Wojciechowski Honorary Consul, Republic of Poland 51 Granger Road,Howick Auckland, New Zealand email polish@... web. www.polishheritage.co.nz * KRESY-SIBERIA GROUP = RESEARCH REMEMBRANCE RECOGNITION "Dedicated to researching, remembering and recognising the Polish citizens deported, enslaved and killed by the Soviet Union during World War Two." * Discussion site : Gallery (photos, documents) : Film and info : * To SUBSCRIBE to the discussion group, send an e-mail saying who you are and describing your interest in the group to: Kresy-Siberia-owner@... * Yahoo! Groups Links |
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Pahiatua
Hi K-S Group and other. You may be interested in happenings in New
Zealand 1 This weekend the Polish Children and their Families celebrating their 60th anniversary of their arrival in NZ The programme includes unveiling of a commemorative plaque by the Mayor of Wellington 2 The Committee published a book, authored by over 100 "children" Details and information from Stefa Zawada polishchildren@... Very good read. 3 Krystyna Tomaszyk, author in her own rite and daughter of Krystyna Skwarko " The Invited" published her life story, titled "Essence" A very well written and interesting story. Krystyna can be contacted tomaszkc@... 4 Personal. With some help from Wladyslaw Czapski and Zgigniew Bob Styrma and a lot of work by the Consul in Minsk I have a copy of my Baptismal Certificate showing my date of birth. I am three months older that I have been over last 60 years. And finally may I share with you my delight at being presented with a Polish Cross- The Officer's Cross, copy of which is in the attachement and finally you can purchase my biography www.astrangeoutcome.com Thanks Steve. Please support the publications of New Zealnd Sibiraki. Thank you J Roy-Wojciechowski Honorary Consul, Republic of Poland 51 Granger Road,Howick Auckland, New Zealand email polish@... web. www.polishheritage.co.nz |
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Enigma Code Breakers
Barbara Charuba
Attached are pictures of all four men involved in breaking the Enigma code + a document of Mr. Rejewski (in Spanish).
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The e-mail was sent to me bu Wladyslaw Czapski, one or the Kresy members who does not speak in English. ----- Original Message -----
From: "W.S.Czapski" <wsczapski@...> To: <charuba2@...> Cc: <ratzinger@...> Sent: Sunday, October 17, 2004 2:34 PM Subject: Rojewski Pozdrawiam. |
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Re: Welcome Robert Ratzinger
Zbigniew Bob Styrna
Robert,
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Thank you for joining the group. I hope you will find what you are looking for. I'm glad that you are researching the Polish people that originally broke the German Enigma machine prior to the start of WWII. Breaking the Enigma was instrumental in protecting the Atlantic shipping lanes from the many German U-Boats that were determined to sink the allied ships. There is a lot of confusion out there about who broke the code. We Polish people know it was a couple of Polish scientist in the mid 1930's. But after the war the British took claim for this. They however just implemented and put to use the code that was already broken by Poland and given as a gift to the British. A more recent claims was made by the Americans in the movie, U-571. Where a US submarine under disguise attacks a German damaged U boat and steals the Enigma machine before the U-Boat sinks. A rather good movie if you have a great Sub-Woofer system because the depth charges are awesome. There is a book (which I don't have yet) on this subject called "ENIGMA How the Poles Broke the Nazi Code" by Wladyslaw Kozaczuk and Jerzy Straszak. It's available for $22.00 from the Polish Art Center. Here is the webs site: em.htm/pic=1/item=9120141 Also, Plaszow is the name of the suburb of Krakow Poland, where the fairly recent movie "Schindler's List" was centered around. It is in the south east corner of Krakw south of the Wisla River. If you're writing a book, I would like to get a copy one day. Regards Zbyszek -----Original Message-----
From: Stefan Wisniowski [mailto:swisniowski@...] Sent: October 17, 2004 1:45 AM To: Kresy-Siberia@... Subject: [Kresy-Siberia] Welcome Robert Ratzinger Please welcome Robert Ratzinger to the group. I hope we have some things to learn from each other about those times. -- Stefan Wisniowski (moderator) Sydney, Australia taken over by the nazis.ultimately responisble for the Allied victory in WW2. * KRESY-SIBERIA GROUP = RESEARCH REMEMBRANCE RECOGNITION "Dedicated to researching, remembering and recognising the Polish citizens deported, enslaved and killed by the Soviet Union during World War Two." * Discussion site : Gallery (photos, documents) : Film and info : * To SUBSCRIBE to the discussion group, send an e-mail saying who you are and describing your interest in the group to: Kresy-Siberia-owner@... * Yahoo! Groups Links |
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Re: Welcome Robert Ratzinger
Barbara Charuba
¿ªÔÆÌåÓýHere is a rough translation:
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There were three of them.? They accomplished
this near Poznan before Sept. 1, 1939.? Their credentials (knowledge
base)?are difficiult to classify in the swestern scientific
terminology.?
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Fw: Sprawa Slawomira Andrzeja Zakrzewskiego
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From: "Ruch Narodowy" <rn2004@...> Material ten zostal wyslany informacyjnie. W przypadku |
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Re: Welcome Robert Ratzinger
Bylo ich trzech. Zrobili to pod Poznaniem, przed 1 IX 39. Ich umiejetnosci
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trudno jest zaklasyfikowac w terminologii nauk zachodnich. ----- Original Message -----
From: "Stefan Wisniowski" <swisniowski@...> To: <Kresy-Siberia@...> Sent: Sunday, October 17, 2004 11:45 AM Subject: [Kresy-Siberia] Welcome Robert Ratzinger to learn from each other about those times.taken ultimatelyover by the nazis. *responisble for the Allied victory in WW2. KRESY-SIBERIA GROUP = RESEARCH REMEMBRANCE RECOGNITIONcitizens deported, enslaved and killed by the Soviet Union during World War Two."* Discussion site :* To SUBSCRIBE to the discussion group, send an e-mail*
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Welcome Robert Ratzinger
Stefan Wisniowski
Please welcome Robert Ratzinger to the group. I hope we have some things to
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learn from each other about those times. -- Stefan Wisniowski (moderator) Sydney, Australia
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Re: USSR decree regarding citizenship
Zbigniew Bob Styrna
Roman, thank you. My thanksgiving was wonderful. A 26 lb butterball turkey
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and several friends from Poland that have no family in Canada were over. Plus my son and ether friends. It is a time for thanking God for good life's fortunes, health, friendships, etc.. There were several Roman Catholic prayers, good wishes fro all, and great food to go with the Turkey. Hope yours and everyone else was nice also. Regards Zbyszek -----Original Message-----
From: romed46 [mailto:romed46@...] Sent: October 15, 2004 6:55 PM To: Kresy-Siberia@... Subject: [Kresy-Siberia] Re: USSR decree regarding citizenship Zbyszek, Hope you had a pleasant Thanksgiving weekend. Thank you for the info, will check it out. Roman --- In Kresy-Siberia@..., "Zbigniew Bob Styrna" <styrna@t...> wrote: Roman,that it happened in early October 1939. A few weeks after Russia invadedPoland. There are many such documents by other ex Siberians . Theoriginals are at the Hoover institute in San Francisco USA.the U.S.S.R. recognises that the Decree of the Presidium of the Supremewhat position or office the candidates ran. I have not heard about itit? In worldlaws.affairs it is the victors that write the history and make the citizenship--State legal. * KRESY-SIBERIA GROUP = RESEARCH REMEMBRANCE RECOGNITIONcitizens deported, enslaved and killed by the Soviet Union during World WarTwo." * Discussion site : Film and info : * To SUBSCRIBE to the discussion group, send an e-mail *
* KRESY-SIBERIA GROUP = RESEARCH REMEMBRANCE RECOGNITION "Dedicated to researching, remembering and recognising the Polish citizens deported, enslaved and killed by the Soviet Union during World War Two." * Discussion site : Gallery (photos, documents) : Film and info : * To SUBSCRIBE to the discussion group, send an e-mail saying who you are and describing your interest in the group to: Kresy-Siberia-owner@... * Yahoo! Groups Links |
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Re: a happy story
J¨®zef Taran
Thank you, Joe, for your kind words. I am happy that you appreciated my work.
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I am always happy to connect the lost relatives. Enjoy relationship with your new found family. Kindest regards Jozef in Warsaw, Poland ----- Original Message -----
From: "Joe Zelwietro" <deplib@...> To: <kresy-siberia@...> Sent: Friday, October 15, 2004 8:06 PM Subject: [Kresy-Siberia] a happy story
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Re: Military - men in uniform
Hello Anne-Marie
My godmother's name as a married oman was Karas but her maiden name was Towarnicka Bye 4 now Hela. From: "anna-marie@..." <annamariekulas@...>_________________________________________________________________ Use MSN Messenger to send music and pics to your friends |
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Re: USSR decree regarding citizenship
Stefan Wisniowski
Roman
You are clearly upset that the Polish government fled Warsaw and abandoned the nation. But it never surrendered and kept fighting in exile, while other nations sued for peace with the Germans and even set up puppet governments. Hard to say which is more of an abandonment. Anyway, to answer your questions about elections, citizenship and so on. You previously said ¡°Oct. 29-30/39? Soviet occupying? power carries out a plebiscite in the occupied territory asking the population one question, do they want to join the Soviet Union,? yes or no.? Nov. 1 - 2 /39? The Soviet authorities announce the results of the plebiscite stating that?99 % voted yes, and that the occupied territory is now part of the Soviet Union¡± You also said you voted on October 29 in in Lw¨®w. ?Well, perhaps something did happen in Lw¨®w on those days, but it does not correspond with the published histories of the events leading to the USSR¡¯s claims of legality for annexing eastern Poland and appropriating its citizens. I refer you to the website for a legal examination of this. ? I also urge you to purchase or borrow and read the book ¡°Revolution from Abroad ¨C The Soviet Conquest of Poland¡¯s Western Ukraine and Western Belorussia¡±. ?The extensive research is based in part on the thousands of depositions in the Hoover Institution at Stanford by Polish citizens who were there and escaped to Persia as well as on original Soviet sources. To summarise the ¡°plebiscite¡± and ¡°elections¡± that led to incorporation of these territories into the USSR and hence to the decree of Soviet citizenship: 1. On 4 October 1939 the local provisional councils announced elections to be held on Sunday 22 October 1939 2. Local populations were forced to pre-election meetings to hear speeches from activists (usually in Russian) and to endorse candidates. People were rounded up to attend these meetings and if they did not they were blacklisted and often arrested. The issues in question were never clear to the voters, who were subjected to propaganda about the great Soviet Union etc. but never told exactly what they were voting for. 3. The candidates were announced to the meetings, having been selected by soviet authorities. They were generally unknown to the local community, or were imbeciles, ?thieves, or otherwise highly incompetent. When local communities protested and wanted to nominate one of their own candidates they were admonished as not understanding the system, and told the incompetents would be educated on the job. Any who protested were blacklisted and often arrested. 4. When it came time to vote on 22 October 1939, participation was carefully monitored and the locals were hounded out of their homes to vote. Any who refused were blacklisted and often arrested. 5. When the voting was conducted, the official candidate was listed on the ballot. Most ballots were ¡°spoiled¡±, for example by crossing out that name, writing obscenities about the USSR, smudging the ballot, writing in a new candidate. ¡°Good ballots¡± were those for the official candidate. In some places the voter was handed a ballot premarked and told not to look at it before they deposited it in the ballot box. 6. Counting the ballots. Officials duty was to record maximum support for the official candidate. As the electorate generally cast a small number of ¡°good¡± ballots (one report said 3%) there were a number of ways of getting the desired result. Some officials counted all ballots as ¡°good¡± no matter what they said. Other destroyed the ¡°bad¡± ballots and substituted them with new ones. In any case, they all ended up reporting ¡°good¡± votes in the 90%¡¯s as required by the election authorities. The published results were: [Electorate / Votes] "Western Ukraine: ?4,776,273 / 4,433,997 (or 93%); "Western White Ruthenia: ?2,763,191 / 2,672,280 (or 97%). 7. Despite an overall ethnic makeup of the 13 million people in eastern Poland of about 1/3 Poles, 1/3 Ukrainians and 1/3 split between Belorussians, Polesians and Jews, the newly elected National Assemblies were made up as follows: Western Ukraine (1389 Ukrainians, 61 Jews, 44 Poles and 8 Russians) and Western Belorussia (659 Belorussians, 105 Poles, 75 Jews and 58 Russians). 8. The National Assemblies met for 2 days on 26 and 28 October 1939 to endorse the new system of government, incorporation into the USSR, confiscation of private landholdings and nationalisation of banks and large industry. The sessions were marked by readings of socialist writings, poems to Stalin and so on. In the Lw¨®w assembly in Lw¨®w, delegates were seated between NKVD officers to ensure they voted correctly. The one or two who did not were later arrested. ? 9. The Assemblies sent delegations to Moscow to request incorporation with the USSR before the Supreme Soviet (approved 1 November 1939) and then to Kiev and Minsk respectively for amalgamation with the Ukrainian SSR (approved 15th November 1939) and the Belorussian SSR (approved 14th November 1939). 10. Meanwhile, back in the Kresy, the ballots had all been marked and numbered so that the authorities could tell who voted which way. As a result, many were blacklisted and often arrested. Do you still think the election and plebiscite of 22 October 1939 leading to incorporation into the USSR was legal and fair? ?Any questions? -- Stefan Wisniowski (moderator) Sydney, Australia From: "romed46" You state that the plebiscite was conducted under duress. In my home town there was no duress. You also refer to rigged "elections", and if my memory serves me right,someone else mentioned elections where the Russians presented one Russian, one Ukrainian and one Jew as candidates. Could you tell me where and when the elections were held and for what position or office the candidates ran. I have not heard about it ?before. Roman Skulski West Vancouver, Canada |
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Re: USSR decree regarding citizenship
romed46
Zbyszek,
Hope you had a pleasant Thanksgiving weekend. Thank you for the info, will check it out. Roman --- In Kresy-Siberia@..., "Zbigniew Bob Styrna" <styrna@t...> wrote: Roman,that it happened in early October 1939. A few weeks after Russia invadedPoland. There are many such documents by other ex Siberians . Theoriginals are at the Hoover institute in San Francisco USA.the U.S.S.R. recognises that the Decree of the Presidium of the Supremewhat position or office the candidates ran. I have not heard about itit? In worldlaws.affairs it is the victors that write the history and make the citizenship--State legal.? * KRESY-SIBERIA GROUP = RESEARCH REMEMBRANCE RECOGNITIONcitizens deported, enslaved and killed by the Soviet Union during World WarTwo." * Discussion site : Film and info : * To SUBSCRIBE to the discussion group, send an e-mail *
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Re: USSR decree regarding citizenship
romed46
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Barbara, Thanks for the info, will check it out. Roman - In Kresy-Siberia@..., "Barb Kwietniowski" <barbkwie@e...> wrote: "> You also refer to rigged "elections", and if my memory serves mepresentedright,someone else mentioned elections where the Russians whatone Russian, one Ukrainian and one Jew as candidates. translations.position or office the candidates ran. I have not heard about itRoman, They talk about the events after September 1939 and before February1940.
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Re: USSR decree regarding citizenship
Zbigniew Bob Styrna
Roman,
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According to my uncle's "ankieta" written in 1943, he documents that it happened in early October 1939. A few weeks after Russia invaded Poland. There are many such documents by other ex Siberians . The originals are at the Hoover institute in San Francisco USA. Regards Zbyszek -----Original Message-----
From: romed46 [mailto:romed46@...] Sent: October 15, 2004 3:30 PM To: Kresy-Siberia@... Subject: [Kresy-Siberia] Re: USSR decree regarding citizenship Stefan, When Sikorski-Majski Agreement was negotiated the Polish negotiators should have inisted that a paragraph stating " The Government of the U.S.S.R. recognises that the Decree of the Presidium of the Supreme Council of the USSR issued in Moscow on November 29,1939, concerning the aquisition of citizenship of the USSR by the inhabitants of the Wetern districts of the Ukrainian and White Ruthenian SSR is now rescinded and is void", or something to that effect. Polish negotiators did not insist on it. Maybe Sikorski knew that he could not get it and decided to trade territory for people. You state that the plebiscite was conducted under duress. In my home town there was no duress. You also refer to rigged "elections", and if my memory serves me right,someone else mentioned elections where the Russians presented one Russian, one Ukrainian and one Jew as candidates. Could you tell me where and when the elections were held and for what position or office the candidates ran. I have not heard about it before. Roman Skulski West Vancouver, Canada --- In Kresy-Siberia@..., Stefan Wisniowski <swisniowski@p...> wrote: Romuald,how they could claim the legality of their actions.recognised by the world and practically by the USSR when it signed theSikorski-Majski Agreement on 30 July 1941.it was conducted under duress. There are thousands of depositions in theHoover Institution about the plebiscite and elections held by the Sovietsthat testify to this. The Soviets were masters at running riggedelections throughout their history.In world affairs it is the victors that write the history and make the laws.State ceased to exist and that the Red Army has received orders to crossthey want to join the Soviet Union, yes or no.on Oct. 29-30 , made their decree of Nov.29/39 regarding citizenship * KRESY-SIBERIA GROUP = RESEARCH REMEMBRANCE RECOGNITION "Dedicated to researching, remembering and recognising the Polish citizens deported, enslaved and killed by the Soviet Union during World War Two." * Discussion site : Gallery (photos, documents) : Film and info : * To SUBSCRIBE to the discussion group, send an e-mail saying who you are and describing your interest in the group to: Kresy-Siberia-owner@... * Yahoo! Groups Links |
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Re: USSR decree regarding citizenship
Barb Kwietniowski
"> You also refer to rigged "elections", and if my memory serves me
right,someone else mentioned elections where the Russians presentedRoman, Some of the ankiety from the Hoover archives are posted at with English translations. They talk about the events after September 1939 and before February 1940. Barbara Kwietniowski Ontario, Canada |
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Re: USSR decree regarding citizenship
romed46
Stefan,
When Sikorski-Majski Agreement was negotiated the Polish negotiators should have inisted that a paragraph stating " The Government of the U.S.S.R. recognises that the Decree of the Presidium of the Supreme Council of the USSR issued in Moscow on November 29,1939, concerning the aquisition of citizenship of the USSR by the inhabitants of the Wetern districts of the Ukrainian and White Ruthenian SSR is now rescinded and is void", or something to that effect. Polish negotiators did not insist on it. Maybe Sikorski knew that he could not get it and decided to trade territory for people. You state that the plebiscite was conducted under duress. In my home town there was no duress. You also refer to rigged "elections", and if my memory serves me right,someone else mentioned elections where the Russians presented one Russian, one Ukrainian and one Jew as candidates. Could you tell me where and when the elections were held and for what position or office the candidates ran. I have not heard about it before. Roman Skulski West Vancouver, Canada --- In Kresy-Siberia@..., Stefan Wisniowski <swisniowski@p...> wrote: Romuald,how they could claim the legality of their actions.recognised by the world and practically by the USSR when it signed theSikorski-Majski Agreement on 30 July 1941.it was conducted under duress. There are thousands of depositions in theHoover Institution about the plebiscite and elections held by the Sovietsthat testify to this. The Soviets were masters at running rigged?elections? throughout their history.In world affairs it is the victors that write the history and make the laws.State ceased to exist and that the Red Army has received orders to crossthey want to join the Soviet Union, yes or no.on Oct. 29-30 , made their decree of Nov.29/39 regarding citizenship |
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