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Well, Mr. Bruno.

I think we all agree that you are a super
player/musician. Myself and a few others here
don't understand why anyone would put down
Pat Metheny. Maybe you can explain why you
dont think he plays jazz. He does cover a lot
of different territory as an artist, but jazz
is one of them and his playing has changed
the evolution of guitar, which is quite an
achievment.
-Mark


--- Jimmy Bruno <jbguit@...> wrote:

Stern's album's that I have dont really live up to what I've
seem him do live. I have an incredible bootleg i made of him
from 1985 and it's is way better than any studio albums he's
done. I wish he would put out a live one. I do like his
Standards record. Upside Downside is a little over-produced
but has great playing on it. Jaco's on a song or two.
-Mark

--- Randy Groves <bebopguitar@...> wrote:

I'm looking for a Jim Hall live recording that doesn't seem
to exist any more. It's with Don Thompson and Terry Clarke.
They play Scrapple, round midnight, I hear a rhapsody, and
probably others.

It is Jim Hall Live, from the mid-70s. Recorded in Toronto,
if I remember correctly. It was on Horizon Records that was
either owned or distributed by A&M. Long out of print as far
as I know, and I don't think ever on CD. Great LP.
Brad

I'm looking for a Jim Hall live recording that doesn't seem
to exist any more. It's with Don Thompson and Terry Clarke.
They play Scrapple, round midnight, i hear a rhapsody, and
probably others.

I heard those three tracks on napster and I need to get the
album if its still available. I don't know what its called
or where or when it was recorded, but it sounds like late
80's i think.

If anyone knows what album i'm talking about, send me an
email please. Thanks a lot guys.

FYI: Metheny won a grammy this year for best jazz solo for
his solo on "(go) get it" from the "trio99-00" cd.

i think all the serious jazz players on this list need to
get that cd before they pass any comments/judgement on pats
playing. forget about the josh redmond thing or any other
session he's done for someone else, this trio cd is
incredible playing IMHO.

if you have this cd and still don't like his playing then
fair enough but until you've heard it i don't think you can
comment on the current state of pats playing. its just not
relevant to discuss something like "bright size life" or
"travels" or anything else from the 70's/80's when he has
moved on several light years in his approach.

don't get me wrong, bruno is great too but pat IS the
greatest. chops, phrasing, harmonic sophistication, bebob,
chromatism, hipness, time.. its all there, you just have
listen.

-si-

Yeah, I am listening to Sleight of Hand and Midnight Blue. I
dont care for Bruno's "new" direction on Midnight Blue. It
is poorly produced and has some pretty "white" attempts at
funk. Sleight of Hand might be one of the best jazz guitar
albums I own though. Thanks for turning me on to him, peeps.
Mark

-if you hear the album.... you will see that concord does
not restrict my choice of style. The auction money is going
to musicians that have hit hard times. The titile of the CD
is names after a tune on the cd. Everyone knows that this is
in know way connected to the very fine Kenny Burrel Cd.
think what you like!!! It matters little to me.

-- In jazz_guitar@y..., "8th-note" <8th-note@h...> wrote:

Probably the moderator felt that this was enough on topic to be
of interest to members here; I know I feel that it is OK.

I think Jimmy himself said on the usenet discussion newsgroup
rec.music.makers.guitar.jazz, that indeed Concord records has a
style and sound they want him to play. That is the price to pay for a
recording contract with that label.
[SNIP]

dave

ps. I understand your point of view re: the name of the album.
I don't think it is copyrighted, or can be. Multiple books have
the same name, multiple movies too.
But I don't care if he uses the same name. Is it callous
disrespect on Bruno's part or just a name he felt appropriate
to his own tune? Or is it an attempt to cash in on a famous
title, to confuse the buying public? I doubt the latter.

----- Original Message -----
From: <kangas@t...>
To: <jazz_guitar@y...>
Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2001 5:49 AM
Subject: [jazz_guitar] Re: Jimmy Bruno Midnight Blue Guild eBay

Auction

I'm amazed that this message got by the moderator - a blatant
advertisement. Perhaps I am wrong, but I assumed that part of the
role of the moderator is to filter out spam and commercial
messages.

That said, this is one of the reasons that I don't like Jimmy
Bruno -- how can you take a title - "Midnight Blue" which is
one of the all time jazz guitar classics by Kenny Burrell,
and blatantly reuse the name? (Are album titles copyrighted?)
I think this is incredibly disrespectful.
[SNIP]

I agree. There seems to be this stigma in jazz journalism
where the guitarists all have to look the same, play
archtops, wear fancy cloths, etc. I feel that Stern and
Holdsworth too, have fallen in between the cracks of rock
and jazz and are not given enough acclaim in the press by
either genre. A lot of people dont even consider Holdsworth
jazz. He plays over changes and comes up with amazing lines
that are certainly jazz influenced so I think it's jazz. Him
in Stern just dont fit into this Jazz guitar stereotype is
all.

Mark



--- jclarke1308@... wrote:

None of which you say is true. Album titles are not
copyrighted. "Midnight Blue" is the name of a new tune... it
is perfectly OK to call a Cd by a title tune. There are many
CDs with the same title. If you had an ear you would know
that there is nothing on my 1st album that even remotely
resembles "Bluesette". The money for the auctiion is going
to a good cause... ALL the proceeds go to musicians who have
hit hard times...
PS I'm glad you don't like my music!!!!

Ummm, Metheny doesn't use chorus on his sound...

Hi guys!
I just play jazz for a few years and i usualy get a little confused
when i have a new tune and have to improvise on it ( what's the
first things to do?).
I usualy start to divide the guitar arm in sections and then
studing arpejos and scales in each section, but i would like very
much to hear about your methods of work.
(Sorry about my English errors, i'm Portuguese).

Vitor.
Portugal.

Right On Jimmy!!

Jimmy is one of the best, most honest, talented, no BS
guitar player around. If Pat Martino can give kudos, gee
maybe some should consider their own selectivity.

Jimmy's instructional video is so clear and honest it makes
me smile. I must say, over the years I have had the pleasure
to meet and play with and interact on a close level with
some of the best musicians in the business. Jimmy tells it
like it is. Is there something wrong with being dedicated to
music? Listen to Jimmy play ballads, 7 string, whatever, he
is an amazing player and an asset to the jazz community.

Try thinking of Jimmy as someone who lives down the street
that plays the guitar. Don't you think that your jaw just
may drop open if you heard him? I've had the pleasure of
hearing him live several times...a total treat!

By the way, if you were to actually work through his video
lessons you could not go wrong. He is one helluva teacher.
Remember, you don't have to mimic or ape another player, but
god, how can you not appreciate the talent?

By the way, my guitar hero is Pat Martino, G-d bless him and
his dedication, caring, love and inspiration he has give to
several generations of players.

David Rudick

Dear Randy,

You certainly have been active lately on the jazz e-mail. I
would highly recommend Bill Comins. Great guitars, great
sound, great guy, a wonderful value. He lives outside of
Phila. and if you decide to get a new one he will make it to
fit your specs. Regarding 7 string guitar, dare I say, watch
the Jimmy Bruno instruction tapes. He plays the thing great!
It is a Bennedeto, but the Benny's are way too pricy for
players unless you really have to have one. But, if you do
go for the Benny you could probably sell it for close to
what you paid and it may even improve as a commercial
investment. I play a super 400, but the last year or so I
have been playing a Parker Fly with very heavy strings (15)
and I have a Pat Martino on order. The Parker is so easy to
play and so light and it has a very nice tone (if you like
it) with NO FEEDBACK. The big jazz boxes tend to feedback
even at low volumes. I would consider a Kent pick up on a
jazz box with the pick-up built in. You may wish to talk to
Bill Comins about that. I should also say, that probably the
best all around guitar I've had was an older ES 175, sounded
great and no real feedback problems.

David Rudick

In a message dated 8/19/01 7:48:37 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
bradlittle1@... writes:

I'm looking for a Jim Hall live recording that doesn't seem
to exist any more. It's with Don Thompson and Terry Clarke.
They play Scrapple, round midnight, I hear a rhapsody, and
probably others.

It is Jim Hall Live, from the mid-70s. Recorded in Toronto,
if I remember correctly. It was on Horizon Records that was
either owned or distributed by A&M. Long out of print as far
as I know, and I don't think ever on CD. Great LP.

It is on CD (I have it)...It was only released on Japanese label!
One of Jim's best. Of course I am QUITE biased!

Andy

I agree.

Natalie Anne Lanoville
Vancouver, Canada
gnat@...

From: "Deolindo Casimiro" <dcasimiro@...>
Subject: Re: Re: The difference between Jazz & Blues

I always thought Claude Debussy (and his peers) was a member of the
Impressionist School (not the Romantic). In fact, as the story goes, the
unpredictability of his harmonies and his habit of extending chords -
something the Romantic School would loathe - may have inspired some early
bebop luminaries. Anybody agrees?

Jazzers: I am thinking of buying a 7 string. I do a
lot of accompianing (sp?) and more and more solo
stuff, and I do a lot of walking bass on the bottom,
so I am thinking a 7 string is the way to go. I'll
spend some bucks but probably not a Benedetto level
expense. I am thinking about names such as Moll,
Shaefer, Manzer, Solomon, Mortoro, Comins,
MCampellone, Napolitano, Buscarino (although these
last two seem near Benedetto levels in price). Anyone
have thoughts on the matter? Other names? I would
prefer to spend between 4 and 10k. Also, what are the
best guitar shows to hit to play several of these?

Randy Groves

=====
J. Randall Groves, Ph.D. ("Rando")
Professor of Humanities
Ferris State University
groves@...
bebopguitar@...

On Mike Stern: What is his best work? I bought a cd of
his a while ago, didn't really care for it (don't
remember why--I'll have to listen to it again. Lots of
mention of Mick Goodrick. What is his best? (I tend to
favor acoustic sounding archtops rather than solid
body electric fusion stuff). Randy Groves

=====
J. Randall Groves, Ph.D. ("Rando")
Professor of Humanities
Ferris State University
groves@...
bebopguitar@...

Another great jazz guitarist, composer, and innovator who has never
made it anywhere, anytime, in these Downbeat polls is Mike Stern. I
came to the conclusion some time ago that the people who vote in
these polls are mostly non-musicians, and/or non-guitarists, and have
no idea what distinguishes an outstanding player from a merely
competent one.

OK, everyone has their 'pet' heroes who they think should have wider
recognition, but this particular ommission is incomprehensible. Mike
Stern has recorded for nearly 20 years with a great many of the best
modern and contemporary jazz musicians, both as sideman and leader,
and tours constantly. Of how many players making it in the Downbeat
poll can that be said ?

I suppose if he got himself a blazer, a haircut, stopped using
distortion and other effects, and switched to a Benedetto instead of
a Tele, he might become acceptable to the jazz journalism
establishment.

John Clarke
Basingstoke
England

I posted:

I agree. I think impressionist music in general and Debussy's music in
particular inspired lots of modern jazz pianists. The whole quartal
thing associated with McCoy Tyner in the 60s was already happening in
"classical" music in the end of the XIX century. Among popular musica
styles, Jazz not only was able to draw from that, but develop in ways
classical music has not been able.

Rodrigo answered:

It's important to remember that brazilian music has a lot of the romantic
and impressionistic eras. Tom jobim used a lot of chords that debussy and
chopin used in their music. Sometimes people called him Tom "chopin".

You're right. I didn't even mention brazilian music because it's a whole
issue on its own. The guitar playing ina Brazilian music is always amazing,
whatever style you choose. The Villa-Lobos device of moving a shape while
keeping open strings ringing may be the most thoroughly used device in
modern guitar playing!
Patricio Murphy
NAN - Buenos Aires, Argentina

I can understand why you might have opted to approve the
message, but I don't believe that there was any mention of
where the proceeds were going (no, I didn't follow all the
links).

I don't have any beef with Jimmy's playing (I enjoy much of
his work) and I don't recall that I said that I did, but I
also think he should be aware of the degree to which
decisions by his record company reflect on him.

I respectfully disagree about the album name; I wouldn't
want to encourage artists (or their record companies) to
start making albums called "Kind of Blue" or "A Love
Supreme".

-Jim


--- In jazz_guitar@y..., "Alisdair MacRae Birch" <akmbirch@y...>
wrote:

As one of the moderators of the group I thought I'd add my
two cents to this. I approved the Concord Jazz (Bruno) message.

The message was approved because all the proceeds of the
Ebay promotion are to benefit the Jazz Musician's Emergency
Fund, a non-profit organization dedicated to assisting jazz
artists with medical and financial emergencies.



I felt it would be of interest to many on the list and it is
going to a worthwhile cause.

Regarding, the name of the album it is highly likely that it
was chosen by the record company and judging by the
controversy it has produced, a very good choice by them!
(They've got everyone talking about it!)

Also, the membership in this group is large, and most of the
well known (living!) Jazz Guitar players subscribe. Whether
they choose to post or not is up to them, but I personally
know that they read what is posted.

So remember when you post remarks are about their playing,
they are hearing them! Like most things in life kind
comments and constructive criticism will get probably get you
further than just expressing a negative viewpoint. Everyone
is entitled to their viewpoint, just be aware that what you
post is read by the world!

A gentle reminder: Criticism of people personally will
not be tolerated. Discuss or critique the subject not the
person.


Best Wishes

Alisdair MacRae Birch
Jazz Guitarist



--- In jazz_guitar@y..., "8th-note" <8th-note@h...> wrote:

Probably the moderator felt that this was enough on topic to be

of

interest to members here; I know I feel that it is OK.
[SNIP]

----- Original Message -----
From: <kangas@t...>
Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2001 5:49 AM
Subject: [jazz_guitar] Re: Jimmy Bruno Midnight Blue Guild eBay
Auction

I'm amazed that this message got by the moderator - a blatant
advertisement. Perhaps I am wrong, but I assumed that part of

the

role of the moderator is to filter out spam and commercial
messages.
[SNIP]