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Hi,

I'm new to this group.

My name is Thomas and I live in Paris,France, where I learn
Django Reinhardt's style ...and love it. Lot of other's
style gutarist I love,like Pat Martino,Paco
DeLucia,Barrios,...

I would like to ask the members if they have personal
tricks,or exercises to interiorize the jazz grids,and
particulary the ones where some chords stay a long time. In
other terms,how can you be sure that your improvisation
follow the grid,change at the right time,without thinking of
it?

Just another question.Does anybody know a good book about
time shedulding,methodology,(..)to win efficacity in music
work?

Hope my english's not too bad.

-TOM-

hi people, this is my first post on the list. i want to discuss in
particular how the freddie green approach to rhythm playing is like. from
what i've gathered so far..he changes his voicings nearly every beat, avoids
the top string. are these things what he's actually doing?
and one big question of mine is that does such rhythm playing accent the 2
and 4, or does it play even 4s to a bar kinda thing?

one last thing i need help on......i have an epiphone arch top guitar and
was wondering how i could get the accoustic chug chug sound (like russell
malone, or freddie geen) do those guys mike up or do they use piezo or some
wierd combi ? ( i don't exacvtly dig the full elctric sound for
"chugging"..it lacks nuances)

i'd apprececiate all the help i can get coz i'm trying really hard to sound
good for my school's big band.

andrew.

by the way. the brett willmott book is good in helping your go through the
possibilities..like any good book you have to put the pieces together
yourself.

Here are some thoughts on the minor chord/scale use.

1. Minor Chord Functioning as tonic minor, i, or as vi, in major key

Use Aeolian (Mode 6 of Major Scale)/Natural Minor
Reason: b6 wants to resolve to 5 giving a very stable tonic minor sound.

e.g D Aeolian = D–E-F-G-A-Bb-C
1-2-b3-4-5-b6-b7

Chord tones derived from scale = 1-b3-5-b7-9-11-b13

2. Minor Chord functioning as supertonic, ii, in a major key.
Use Dorian (Mode 2 of Major Scale)

e,g. D Dorian = D-E-F-G-A-B-C
1-2-b3-4-5-6-b7 (9-11-13)

Chord tones derived from scale = 1-b3-5-b7-9-11-13

3. Minor b5 Chord functioning as a ii, in a minor key
Use Locrian (Mode 7 or major scale)

e.g. D Locrian = D-Eb-F-G-Ab-Bb-C
1-b2-b3-4-b5-b6-b7

Chord tones derived from scale = 1-b3-b5-b7-b9-11-b13
Note contains b9
eg Dm7b5
Eb = b9 (dissonant)

4. Minor b5 Chord functioning as sustained chord
Use Locrian #2 (Mode 6 of Melodic Minor)

e.g. D Locrian #2 = D-E-F-G-Ab-Bb-C
1-2-b3-4-b5-b6-b7

Chord tones derived from scale = 1-b3-b5-b7-9-11-b13

Alisdair MacRae Birch
Jazz Guitarist
alisdair@...

The harmonic minor scale is often cired as the scale of choice for
improvising over a ii-V-i progression. the reason for this that all the
chords can be derived from the harmonic minor scale.

m7b5-V7alt-im7

e.g. C harmonic minor
Dm7b5 – G7alt – Cm6

C harmonic Minor Scale
1-2-b3-4-5-b6-7
C-D-Eb-F-G-Ab-B

However in realationship to each chord there are dissonances to watch
out for:

Dm7b5 – 1-b3-b5-b7-b9-11-13
Eb = b9 (dissonant)
B = 13 (possibly dissonant, dorian like)

G7 – 1-3-5-7-b9-11-b13
C= 11 (dissonant)
Eb= b13 (consonant on G7#5 or G7b13)

Cm6 – 1-b3-5-7-9-11-b13
Ab=b6 (dissonant)

An interesting thought is that the C harmonic Minor is the same as a D
Locrian with natural 6

Any more thoughts on this ?

Alisdair MacRae Birch
alisdair@...

rscout-@... wrote:
original article:

The harmonic minor scale is often cired as the scale of choice for
improvising over a ii-V-i progression. the reason for this that all

the

chords can be derived from the harmonic minor scale.

m7b5-V7alt-im7

e.g. C harmonic minor
Dm7b5 – G7alt – Cm6

C harmonic Minor Scale
1-2-b3-4-5-b6-7
C-D-Eb-F-G-Ab-B

However in realationship to each chord there are dissonances to watch
out for:

Dm7b5 – 1-b3-b5-b7-b9-11-13
Eb = b9 (dissonant)
B = 13 (possibly dissonant, dorian like)

G7 – 1-3-5-7-b9-11-b13
C= 11 (dissonant)
Eb= b13 (consonant on G7#5 or G7b13)

Cm6 – 1-b3-5-7-9-11-b13
Ab=b6 (dissonant)

An interesting thought is that the C harmonic Minor is the same as a D
Locrian with natural 6

Any more thoughts on this ?

Alisdair MacRae Birch
alisdair@...

Hi Alisdair,

I think that the Cm6 resolves well on the segested progression because
It has a tritone in it between the "A" and "Eb".
I rather go with the im7 insted.
regards
Rogerio Couto

Ooops,

I want to make a correction to my previous email.
Where you read "I think that the Cm6..." Please read " I don't think that
Cm6...".
Sorry for the inconvinience,
Regards
Rogerio

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Yes I agree with you on this, it was a typo and should have said Cm7.
Interestingly, some of the old school jazzers I have spoken with seem
to prefer using the harmonic minor for the iim7b5-V7 part then switch
to the melodic minor for the i chord giving them then the natural 6. I
have found that it's easier to use the dorian mode, because that would
then give both the 6 and the b7, ensuring that I can cover whatever
another piano player or guitarist comps, m6, m7, m69, m9, m11 etc.

original article:

Ooops,

I want to make a correction to my previous email.
Where you read "I think that the Cm6..." Please read " I don't think

that

Cm6...".
Sorry for the inconvinience,
Regards
Rogerio

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From: rscouto@...

Hi Alisdair,

I think that the Cm6 resolves well on the segested progression

because

It has a tritone in it between the "A" and "Eb".
I rather go with the im7 insted.
regards
Rogerio Couto

Over the years I have used a number of software programs to produce
guitar tabulature for teaching purposes.

For perfect copy I have used Coda music's Finale, which produces great
output and can be made to do virtually anything, only the problem is
it's not easy to use and can destroy any inspiration.

Has anyone had experience with other software programs that produce
guitar tabulature they'd like to share with the group ? Any one using
software to produce chord and fret diagrams ?

Alisdair MacRae Birch
Jazz Guitarist
alisdair@...

if you know of a program that will do tab and/or standard notation, please
RSVP me, Erico50@...

Thanks for starting this list.

I've always used just a regular word processor for tab, using a fixed
pitch font. Similar to what was used for OLGA.

Rob

Alisdair,

I also use Finale but I always try to finish my ideas before I start writing
them down on paper. I use finale just to finish the job and clean the mess
of my hand writing.

Rogerio

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Alisdair,

I tend to use natural minor for the im7 most of the time because it gives me
a more relaxed sound and when I want some color I switch to the melodic
minor.
I don't care that much for the kind of the minor chord the piano player
comps as long as it is a "im" I will play like said above.

Rogerio

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Dear Jazzguitar:

Do any of you use alternate tunings?

A couple I've heard of are the "all fourths tuning" EADGCF (useful because of its symmetry), a secret Robert Fripp tuning (does anybody know this one), and recently a "low A tuning" AADGBE I saw in a John McLaughlin transcription (that's A an octave lower, which provides good bass for solo work without adding extra strings).

More later,

Mark

Regerio

I too prefer to work on my ideas using a sequencer or the old fashioned
way of pen and paper and them move to using Finale.

Recently, I downloaded a demo of a new software program called
Sibelius. The software was developed in Cambridge, UK, and sees to have
gained wide acceptance in Europe. It has been a joy to play around
with, even after years of using Finale, I may switch to it. Working
with tabulature and midi file import is much easier than finale. It
also has a web publishing option, which I'm investigating. It requires
the download of a browser plug-in called Scorch which lets you view,
play back and transpose Sibelius scores on the Internet. Really cool !
It may be a way for us to communicate our ideas more effectively in
this discussion group.

Check out the web site:



Has anyone else used this software ?

Alisdair MacRae Birch
Jazz Guitarist
alisdair@...


original article:

Alisdair,

I also use Finale but I always try to finish my ideas before I start

writing

them down on paper. I use finale just to finish the job and clean the

mess

of my hand writing.

Rogerio

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From: alisdair@...
To: jazzguitar@...
Subject: [jazzguitar] Guitar Tabulature

only the problem is
it's not easy to use and can destroy any inspiration.

Has anyone had experience with other software programs that produce
guitar tabulature they'd like to share with the group ? Any one

using

software to produce chord and fret diagrams ?

Hey,

I've heard about this software but i didn't know about this feature that you
mention.
I 'll check it out.
Rogerio

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From: alisdair@...

. It

also has a web publishing option, which I'm investigating. It requires
the download of a browser plug-in called Scorch which lets you view,
play back and transpose Sibelius scores on the Internet. Really cool !
It may be a way for us to communicate our ideas more effectively in
this discussion group.

Check out the web site:

Guitarist:

I published the attached "Guitar Chord Inversions" article in The Austin
Songwriter in l998 using MusEdit. info@.... or www.musedit.com.
At that time, all the inversions were not in the available chord forms but I
managed with some white out and a black pen. Forgive me if my notation isn't
exactly correct. I am mainly a by ear, chord grid player. You can find
MusEdit on p. l42 of Guitar Player October l999. I am sure there have been
some upgrades since my version. I never got around to doing the next group
of strings and triads but I plan to.

I give my thanks to Clay Moore for teaching me the inversions. Check out
his web page, www.claymoore.com

Thanks, Polk Shelton

Hi,

Half the software you guys are talking isn't even available here in India and if it is, it's way too expensive! Are there any programs available as free downloads on the net?

blum

From: alisdair@...
Reply-To: jazzguitar@...
To: jazzguitar@...
Subject: [jazzguitar] Re: Guitar Tabulature
Date: Fri, 03 Sep 1999 11:28:26 -0700

Regerio

I too prefer to work on my ideas using a sequencer or the old fashioned
way of pen and paper and them move to using Finale.

Recently, I downloaded a demo of a new software program called
Sibelius. The software was developed in Cambridge, UK, and sees to have
gained wide acceptance in Europe. It has been a joy to play around
with, even after years of using Finale, I may switch to it. Working
with tabulature and midi file import is much easier than finale. It
also has a web publishing option, which I'm investigating. It requires
the download of a browser plug-in called Scorch which lets you view,
play back and transpose Sibelius scores on the Internet. Really cool !
It may be a way for us to communicate our ideas more effectively in
this discussion group.

Check out the web site:



Has anyone else used this software ?

Alisdair MacRae Birch
Jazz Guitarist
alisdair@...


original article:

Alisdair,

I also use Finale but I always try to finish my ideas before I start

writing

them down on paper. I use finale just to finish the job and clean the

mess

of my hand writing.

Rogerio

----------

From: alisdair@...
To: jazzguitar@...
Subject: [jazzguitar] Guitar Tabulature

only the problem is
it's not easy to use and can destroy any inspiration.

Has anyone had experience with other software programs that produce
guitar tabulature they'd like to share with the group ? Any one

using

software to produce chord and fret diagrams ?

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In a message dated 9/6/1999 9:14:36 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
blumgat@... writes:

<< Half the software you guys are talking isn't even available here in India
and if it is, it's way too expensive!>>

There must be zillions of programmers in India . . . I'm surprised. .

Are there any programs available as
free downloads on the net? >>

Possibly . . . I do remember a site music software on the net . .
or something like it.

Ken

Hi,

I've been using Encore 4 for a while now for notation. Very simple,
doesn't look as nice as Finale, but I like it.

Cheers,

Shane Simpson
--


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Try www.pgmusic.com. They put out Band in a Box and The Jazz Guitarist
programs.
They have some free downloads, but you have to have the basic program already
installed and the hardware to go with it (a midi and a sequensor). I've been
using the
program for two years now and have put over 400 tunes into it. There are
limitations,
some of which I've learned to get around such as voicings. The Jazz
guitarist program
has about thirty tunes in it already played back by a fairly competent
guitarist. With the
program you can view a guitar fingerboard and see the notes and chords as
they are
formed or played on the guitar. A great teaching aid for advanced students!

Flip