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Re: Clarification on how many nights you can spend in the backpacker's campground #Transportation

 

Think about Lower Cathedral Lake. Though fewer campsites there, fewer people will go there, I assume, and I prefer Lower to Upper in any case.
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Seems more active on Facebook.




On Mar 5, 2022, at 9:03 AM, Rick Amr <nobohiker@...> wrote:

?Hi All,

anyone knows what more about??
Reason asking is that I have account including my personal information there but the website seems to be mostly non-functioning so that personal is shown but can't be edited/removed.
With nowadays online threads that is a huge red flag in my opinion.

Emails to Ned bounce back, so I guess this site has been abandoned.??I think he used to be active on this board?
Suggestions welcomed.

Thanks

Rick


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Hi All,

anyone knows what more about??
Reason asking is that I have account including my personal information there but the website seems to be mostly non-functioning so that personal is shown but can't be edited/removed.
With nowadays online threads that is a huge red flag in my opinion.

Emails to Ned bounce back, so I guess this site has been abandoned.??I think he used to be active on this board?
Suggestions welcomed.

Thanks

Rick


Re: Clarification on how many nights you can spend in the backpacker's campground #Transportation

 

Yes it will. My wife is a new thru hiker. So we are taking it easy. We are going to Clouds rest and staying at Sunset Lakes. Then we will have an extremely short day to Cathedral Lakes because I don’t think we can make it to 4 miles past TM in one day without really hurting which is fine but I expect a bottleneck there.?

On Fri, Mar 4, 2022 at 11:11 PM Lange Jorstad via <langejorstad=[email protected]> wrote:
That’ll be a popular route this year! Cathedral Lakes will be crowded, and “Lyell Four Mile” will be crowded.


On 5 Mar 2022, at 12:47 pm, WanderingJim <jimjmt2020@...> wrote:

?On Fri, Mar 4, 2022 at 04:03 PM, Roleigh Martin wrote:
(odd they consider a closed campground still an operative campground).
They probably don't want people creating new campsites within the 4 mile limit while it's closed.

It'd be nice if they could close just part of the campground one year and the other half the next year, but from the look of it, this is a pretty major reconstruction.

Since one of my backup treks this year is a NOBO JMT hike,? I will probably have to camp 4 miles from TM in Lyell Canyon, then hike all the way to Cathedral Lakes the next day.


Re: Clarification on how many nights you can spend in the backpacker's campground #Transportation

 

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That’ll be a popular route this year! Cathedral Lakes will be crowded, and “Lyell Four Mile” will be crowded.


On 5 Mar 2022, at 12:47 pm, WanderingJim <jimjmt2020@...> wrote:

?On Fri, Mar 4, 2022 at 04:03 PM, Roleigh Martin wrote:
(odd they consider a closed campground still an operative campground).
They probably don't want people creating new campsites within the 4 mile limit while it's closed.

It'd be nice if they could close just part of the campground one year and the other half the next year, but from the look of it, this is a pretty major reconstruction.

Since one of my backup treks this year is a NOBO JMT hike,? I will probably have to camp 4 miles from TM in Lyell Canyon, then hike all the way to Cathedral Lakes the next day.


Re: Clarification on how many nights you can spend in the backpacker's campground #Transportation

 

On Fri, Mar 4, 2022 at 04:03 PM, Roleigh Martin wrote:
(odd they consider a closed campground still an operative campground).
They probably don't want people creating new campsites within the 4 mile limit while it's closed.

It'd be nice if they could close just part of the campground one year and the other half the next year, but from the look of it, this is a pretty major reconstruction.

Since one of my backup treks this year is a NOBO JMT hike,? I will probably have to camp 4 miles from TM in Lyell Canyon, then hike all the way to Cathedral Lakes the next day.


Re: Clarification on how many nights you can spend in the backpacker's campground #Transportation

 

Nearest is 4 miles (on the PCT/JMT or any other trail stemming from TM) from TM until their construction work is done.? You can't camp alongside the trail unless it's at least 4 miles from a car camping ground (odd they consider a closed campground still an operative campground).

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On Fri, Mar 4, 2022 at 1:54 PM Roger Keating via <rogerk223=[email protected]> wrote:
So I’m assuming there is no overnight backpacker camping near Tuolumne Meadows?


On Mar 4, 2022, at 7:03 AM, steve herr via <groundhogsteve=[email protected]> wrote:

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YOSE Web Manager, NPS?<yose_web_manager@...>
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Thu, Mar 3 at 4:58 PM
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Hello,
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Yes, you are allowed one night for arriving by bus (foot or bike) and one night for having a wilderness permit, for a total of two nights before your hike start date.?
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Rachael
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A reservation is required to drive into Yosemite between 6 am and 4 pm from May 20 through September 30, 2022: .

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Re: Clarification on how many nights you can spend in the backpacker's campground #Transportation

 

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Thanks for that update. ?I appreciate it!


On Mar 4, 2022, at 3:38 PM, Lange Jorstad via groups.io <langejorstad@...> wrote:

?Correct, not as long as the TM campground is closed. Closest in-park backpacker campground is White Wolf, but that’s still 25 miles from TM and would require a hitch or ride to/from TM (or - possibly - I think the YARTS-Mammoth route stops at White Wolf and TM?).


On 5 Mar 2022, at 8:54 am, Roger Keating via groups.io <rogerk223@...> wrote:

?So I’m assuming there is no overnight backpacker camping near Tuolumne Meadows?


On Mar 4, 2022, at 7:03 AM, steve herr via groups.io <groundhogsteve@...> wrote:

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YOSE Web Manager, NPS?<yose_web_manager@...>
To:groundhogsteve@...
?
Thu, Mar 3 at 4:58 PM
?
?
Hello,
?
Yes, you are allowed one night for arriving by bus (foot or bike) and one night for having a wilderness permit, for a total of two nights before your hike start date.?
?
?
?
?
?
?
?
?
Rachael
--
National Park Service
Yosemite National Park
?
A reservation is required to drive into Yosemite between 6 am and 4 pm from May 20 through September 30, 2022: .

**
If anybody wants me to forward the full email exchange, send your email to groundhogsteve@... and I'll forward it to you.
?


Re: Clarification on how many nights you can spend in the backpacker's campground #Transportation

 

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Correct, not as long as the TM campground is closed. Closest in-park backpacker campground is White Wolf, but that’s still 25 miles from TM and would require a hitch or ride to/from TM (or - possibly - I think the YARTS-Mammoth route stops at White Wolf and TM?).


On 5 Mar 2022, at 8:54 am, Roger Keating via groups.io <rogerk223@...> wrote:

?So I’m assuming there is no overnight backpacker camping near Tuolumne Meadows?


On Mar 4, 2022, at 7:03 AM, steve herr via groups.io <groundhogsteve@...> wrote:

?
YOSE Web Manager, NPS?<yose_web_manager@...>
To:groundhogsteve@...
?
Thu, Mar 3 at 4:58 PM
?
?
Hello,
?
Yes, you are allowed one night for arriving by bus (foot or bike) and one night for having a wilderness permit, for a total of two nights before your hike start date.?
?
?
?
?
?
?
?
?
Rachael
--
National Park Service
Yosemite National Park
?
A reservation is required to drive into Yosemite between 6 am and 4 pm from May 20 through September 30, 2022: .

**
If anybody wants me to forward the full email exchange, send your email to groundhogsteve@... and I'll forward it to you.
?


Re: Clarification on how many nights you can spend in the backpacker's campground #Transportation

 

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So I’m assuming there is no overnight backpacker camping near Tuolumne Meadows?


On Mar 4, 2022, at 7:03 AM, steve herr via groups.io <groundhogsteve@...> wrote:

?
YOSE Web Manager, NPS?<yose_web_manager@...>
To:groundhogsteve@...
?
Thu, Mar 3 at 4:58 PM
?
?
Hello,
?
Yes, you are allowed one night for arriving by bus (foot or bike) and one night for having a wilderness permit, for a total of two nights before your hike start date.?
?
?
?
?
?
?
?
?
Rachael
--
National Park Service
Yosemite National Park
?
A reservation is required to drive into Yosemite between 6 am and 4 pm from May 20 through September 30, 2022: .

**
If anybody wants me to forward the full email exchange, send your email to groundhogsteve@... and I'll forward it to you.
?


 

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Clarification on how many nights you can spend in the backpacker's campground #Transportation

 

YOSE Web Manager, NPS?<yose_web_manager@...>
To:groundhogsteve@...
?
Thu, Mar 3 at 4:58 PM
?
?
Hello,
?
Yes, you are allowed one night for arriving by bus (foot or bike) and one night for having a wilderness permit, for a total of two nights before your hike start date.?
?
?
?
?
?
?
?
?
Rachael
--
National Park Service
Yosemite National Park
?
A reservation is required to drive into Yosemite between 6 am and 4 pm from May 20 through September 30, 2022: .

**
If anybody wants me to forward the full email exchange, send your email to groundhogsteve@... and I'll forward it to you.
?


 

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Remember the wise works of Mr Mike Tyson. ?“Everyone has a plan until they get punched in the face”. ?Lot’s of things can interfere with your well thought out plans. ?The key is to not let that stuff throw you for a loop, make smart decisions (i.e. exit quickly if threatened by fire) and enjoy the curveballs the trail will inevitably throw your way. ?

This especially applies to planned camp locations. ?You’ll have days when you just don’t feel good and should not let yourself get depressed at shorting a day. ?You’ll have days when you feel strong, so why not go a few extra miles.

Bottom-line. ?Hike your own hike. ?Have a great time. ?Be willing to adapt plans when needed.

Ian

On Mar 3, 2022, at 7:45 AM, Andrew Paisley <andrew.paisley866@...> wrote:

As I am working thru the amazing amount of logistics on my first major thru hike Planning travel both air public and private transportation, where to camp, food drops, ?spreadsheeting daily meals and tracking Calories and macronutrients I am discovering at age 60 my inner nerd I never knew existed.?

John by tracking snowfall and correlating hiker reports on mosquitoes takes it to a whole new level. American volunteerism at its best. De Tocqueville would be proud. Thanks.?
On Thu, Mar 3, 2022 at 9:22 AM John Ladd <johnladd@...> wrote:
We are analyzing that right now from the survey. It looks like reported mosquito severity is much lower with trailhead entries starting about July 15 in the low snowpack years.

Later, of course, in the high snowpack years. Also start later in high snowpack years.

For the gradually growing reports of year-to-year problem correlations see this FB album or Drive folder. We will add entry-date seasonal comparisons soon to the same album and drive folder



Also found in this shared Google Drive album

Go to



Open folder #6

Open folder Multi-year reports

I've had a lot of volunteers from one of the FB groups to take on survey-related or drive-maintenance tasks. I was surprised and pleased to get a number of people who have taken on specialized tasks that I don't know how to do and people willing to do relatively boring stuff that relieves my load so I can focus on the survey

What I still need is

Someone with experience in drawing non-linear trend lines in scattergraphs that conform to the data rather than to any particular standard math pattern (e.g., I don't know that any of my findings are exponential). The effects of pack weight on daily mileage are very non-linear and age-related problems are presumably also non-linear with problems decreasing up to at least age 55 or 60 and perhaps increasing after that (age 70 in my personal experience)

Someone who could develop predictive models (presented as online calculators) that would use survey data to give an estimate of something like expected daily mileage given relevant factors like age, pack weight, pre-hike exercise, body mass index.

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John Curran Ladd

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415-648-9279




 

I can relate to the inner nerd comment. I'm 65 and have been planning and executing trips for almost 50 years. I find the planning and prep to be half the fun.
Marion Davison (aka llamalady)


Andrew Paisley wrote:

As I am working thru the amazing amount of logistics on my first major thru hike Planning travel both air public and private transportation, where to camp, food drops, ?spreadsheeting daily meals and tracking Calories and macronutrients I am discovering at age 60 my inner nerd I never knew existed.
John by tracking snowfall and correlating hiker reports on mosquitoes takes it to a whole new level. American volunteerism at its best. De Tocqueville would be proud. Thanks.
On Thu, Mar 3, 2022 at 9:22 AM John Ladd <johnladd@... <mailto:johnladd@...>> wrote:
We are analyzing that right now from the survey. It looks like
reported mosquito severity is much lower with trailhead entries
starting about July 15 in the low snowpack years.
Later, of course, in the high snowpack years. Also start later in
high snowpack years.
For the gradually growing reports of year-to-year problem
correlations see this FB album or Drive folder. We will add
entry-date seasonal comparisons soon to the same album and drive folder

Also found in this shared Google Drive album
Go to

Open folder #6
Open folder Multi-year reports
I've had a lot of volunteers from one of the FB groups to take on
survey-related or drive-maintenance tasks. I was surprised and
pleased to get a number of people who have taken on specialized
tasks that I don't know how to do and people willing to do
relatively boring stuff that relieves my load so I can focus on the
survey
What I still need is
Someone with experience in drawing non-linear trend lines in
scattergraphs that conform to the data rather than to any particular
standard math pattern (e.g., I don't know that any of my findings
are exponential). The effects of pack weight on daily mileage are
very non-linear and age-related problems are presumably also
non-linear with problems decreasing up to at least age 55 or 60 and
perhaps increasing after that (age 70 in my personal experience)
Someone who could develop predictive models (presented as online
calculators) that would use survey data to give an estimate of
something like expected daily mileage given relevant factors like
age, pack weight, pre-hike exercise, body mass index.
--
John Curran Ladd
1616 Castro Street
<,+CA+94114-3707?entry=gmail&source=g>
San Francisco, CA
<,+CA+94114-3707?entry=gmail&source=g>
94114-3707
<,+CA+94114-3707?entry=gmail&source=g>
415-648-9279


 

As I am working thru the amazing amount of logistics on my first major thru hike Planning travel both air public and private transportation, where to camp, food drops, ?spreadsheeting daily meals and tracking Calories and macronutrients I am discovering at age 60 my inner nerd I never knew existed.?

John by tracking snowfall and correlating hiker reports on mosquitoes takes it to a whole new level. American volunteerism at its best. De Tocqueville would be proud. Thanks.?

On Thu, Mar 3, 2022 at 9:22 AM John Ladd <johnladd@...> wrote:
We are analyzing that right now from the survey. It looks like reported mosquito severity is much lower with trailhead entries starting about July 15 in the low snowpack years.

Later, of course, in the high snowpack years. Also start later in high snowpack years.

For the gradually growing reports of year-to-year problem correlations see this FB album or Drive folder. We will add entry-date seasonal comparisons soon to the same album and drive folder



Also found in this shared Google Drive album

Go to



Open folder #6

Open folder Multi-year reports

I've had a lot of volunteers from one of the FB groups to take on survey-related or drive-maintenance tasks. I was surprised and pleased to get a number of people who have taken on specialized tasks that I don't know how to do and people willing to do relatively boring stuff that relieves my load so I can focus on the survey

What I still need is

Someone with experience in drawing non-linear trend lines in scattergraphs that conform to the data rather than to any particular standard math pattern (e.g., I don't know that any of my findings are exponential). The effects of pack weight on daily mileage are very non-linear and age-related problems are presumably also non-linear with problems decreasing up to at least age 55 or 60 and perhaps increasing after that (age 70 in my personal experience)

Someone who could develop predictive models (presented as online calculators) that would use survey data to give an estimate of something like expected daily mileage given relevant factors like age, pack weight, pre-hike exercise, body mass index.

--
John Curran Ladd

?
415-648-9279


 

We are analyzing that right now from the survey. It looks like reported mosquito severity is much lower with trailhead entries starting about July 15 in the low snowpack years.

Later, of course, in the high snowpack years. Also start later in high snowpack years.

For the gradually growing reports of year-to-year problem correlations see this FB album or Drive folder. We will add entry-date seasonal comparisons soon to the same album and drive folder



Also found in this shared Google Drive album

Go to



Open folder #6

Open folder Multi-year reports

I've had a lot of volunteers from one of the FB groups to take on survey-related or drive-maintenance tasks. I was surprised and pleased to get a number of people who have taken on specialized tasks that I don't know how to do and people willing to do relatively boring stuff that relieves my load so I can focus on the survey

What I still need is

Someone with experience in drawing non-linear trend lines in scattergraphs that conform to the data rather than to any particular standard math pattern (e.g., I don't know that any of my findings are exponential). The effects of pack weight on daily mileage are very non-linear and age-related problems are presumably also non-linear with problems decreasing up to at least age 55 or 60 and perhaps increasing after that (age 70 in my personal experience)

Someone who could develop predictive models (presented as online calculators) that would use survey data to give an estimate of something like expected daily mileage given relevant factors like age, pack weight, pre-hike exercise, body mass index.

--
John Curran Ladd
1616 Castro Street
San Francisco, CA? 94114-3707
415-648-9279


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2017 mid August through first of September bugs everywhere. ?Even bad early September at top of Donahue pass. ?It was a wet year. ?The water is what drives the bugs. ?

On Mar 2, 2022, at 09:08, Sam Molinari <sammolinari@...> wrote:

? Last year there were no skeeters on the northern part of the trail in the third week of July but plenty of flys.


On Mar 2, 2022, at 7:37 AM, ravi_jmt2013 <ravi@...> wrote:

?My last trip, I started on August 16, 2019 from South Lake, a high snowpack year, and was annoyed by mosquitos the first night in Dusy Basin (I picked a beautiful but bug prone campsite) but mosquitoes were not much of an issue after that going southbound. I’m starting on August 18 this year, southbound from Mammoth, and I don’t anticipate many bug issues. I don’t think mosquitoes are a huge concern after early August except in very heavy snowpack years.?


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Last year there were no skeeters on the northern part of the trail in the third week of July but plenty of flys.


On Mar 2, 2022, at 7:37 AM, ravi_jmt2013 <ravi@...> wrote:

?My last trip, I started on August 16, 2019 from South Lake, a high snowpack year, and was annoyed by mosquitos the first night in Dusy Basin (I picked a beautiful but bug prone campsite) but mosquitoes were not much of an issue after that going southbound. I’m starting on August 18 this year, southbound from Mammoth, and I don’t anticipate many bug issues. I don’t think mosquitoes are a huge concern after early August except in very heavy snowpack years.?


 

My last trip, I started on August 16, 2019 from South Lake, a high snowpack year, and was annoyed by mosquitos the first night in Dusy Basin (I picked a beautiful but bug prone campsite) but mosquitoes were not much of an issue after that going southbound. I’m starting on August 18 this year, southbound from Mammoth, and I don’t anticipate many bug issues. I don’t think mosquitoes are a huge concern after early August except in very heavy snowpack years.?


Re: Organized multi-group files with a Calories per ounce teaser #food

 
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[Edited] Gene said:

John, if you haven't seen the work done by "GearSkeptic", he has put together some very comprehensive food nutrition tables for backpackers.

Links are below his YouTube video here: ?

Hiker Food Chart 2.0 (Updated and Upgraded)?


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GearSkeptic permitted me to add his calorie lists to our folder for food and nutrition

GO to?

Then to #4

Then to?Calories, Nutrition & Food Lists

My calorie (etc.) list is focused on ingredients, his on more prepared foods, so they complement each other well

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415-648-9279