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Re: Flash/Install issues

 

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https://youtu.be/J3g2dM6WVO0

On Aug 22, 2022 at 9:53 AM, Christopher <dodge_ram_mopar_360@...> wrote:

Yes, thanks! You might want to try the Raspberry Pi OS desktop for x86 PC and Mac. It will have the same layout as HamPi that way.?
Do you happen to have installer script for HamPi??

On Aug 22, 2022 at 9:48 AM, Dave Slotter, W3DJS <slotter@...> wrote:



HamPi uses the latest Raspberry Pi OS as a base. There are two editions -- Raspberry Pi OS 32-bit and Raspberry Pi OS 64-bit. There are HamPis built for both editions.

HamPC uses the latest Xubuntu, which right now is Xubuntu 22.

Have I adequately?answered your questions?

On Mon, Aug 22, 2022 at 11:46 AM Christopher <dodge_ram_mopar_360@...> wrote:
Right, but what Linux operating system are you using? Raspbian make a Raspberry Pi desktop for PC and Mac, the link I sent.?



On Aug 22, 2022 at 9:42 AM, Dave Slotter, W3DJS <slotter@...> wrote:

HamPi and HamPC are two different operating system?images. HamPi runs on the Raspberry Pi and HamPC runs on the x86 laptop or desktop system.

On Mon, Aug 22, 2022 at 11:38 AM Christopher <dodge_ram_mopar_360@...> wrote:
Is this Raspberry Pi desktop?
Debian Bullseye with Raspberry Pi Desktop?
If not it may be better to use this image instead

On Aug 22, 2022 at 9:34 AM, Dave Slotter, W3DJS <slotter@...> wrote:

Hi,

Ok, we have some issues. Now that you've pointed them out, can you suggest a way to improve HamPC?

Let's keep making the project better. This is a free, open-source project. How can you help make it better?

On Mon, Aug 22, 2022 at 11:33 AM <stemcgaughey84@...> wrote:
knew people would have problems with this


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Re: Flash/Install issues

 

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Yes, thanks! You might want to try the Raspberry Pi OS desktop for x86 PC and Mac. It will have the same layout as HamPi that way.?
Do you happen to have installer script for HamPi??

On Aug 22, 2022 at 9:48 AM, Dave Slotter, W3DJS <slotter@...> wrote:



HamPi uses the latest Raspberry Pi OS as a base. There are two editions -- Raspberry Pi OS 32-bit and Raspberry Pi OS 64-bit. There are HamPis built for both editions.

HamPC uses the latest Xubuntu, which right now is Xubuntu 22.

Have I adequately?answered your questions?

On Mon, Aug 22, 2022 at 11:46 AM Christopher <dodge_ram_mopar_360@...> wrote:
Right, but what Linux operating system are you using? Raspbian make a Raspberry Pi desktop for PC and Mac, the link I sent.?



On Aug 22, 2022 at 9:42 AM, Dave Slotter, W3DJS <slotter@...> wrote:

HamPi and HamPC are two different operating system?images. HamPi runs on the Raspberry Pi and HamPC runs on the x86 laptop or desktop system.

On Mon, Aug 22, 2022 at 11:38 AM Christopher <dodge_ram_mopar_360@...> wrote:
Is this Raspberry Pi desktop?
Debian Bullseye with Raspberry Pi Desktop?
If not it may be better to use this image instead

On Aug 22, 2022 at 9:34 AM, Dave Slotter, W3DJS <slotter@...> wrote:

Hi,

Ok, we have some issues. Now that you've pointed them out, can you suggest a way to improve HamPC?

Let's keep making the project better. This is a free, open-source project. How can you help make it better?

On Mon, Aug 22, 2022 at 11:33 AM <stemcgaughey84@...> wrote:
knew people would have problems with this


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Re: Flash/Install issues

 



HamPi uses the latest Raspberry Pi OS as a base. There are two editions -- Raspberry Pi OS 32-bit and Raspberry Pi OS 64-bit. There are HamPis built for both editions.

HamPC uses the latest Xubuntu, which right now is Xubuntu 22.

Have I adequately?answered your questions?

On Mon, Aug 22, 2022 at 11:46 AM Christopher <dodge_ram_mopar_360@...> wrote:
Right, but what Linux operating system are you using? Raspbian make a Raspberry Pi desktop for PC and Mac, the link I sent.?



On Aug 22, 2022 at 9:42 AM, Dave Slotter, W3DJS <slotter@...> wrote:

HamPi and HamPC are two different operating system?images. HamPi runs on the Raspberry Pi and HamPC runs on the x86 laptop or desktop system.

On Mon, Aug 22, 2022 at 11:38 AM Christopher <dodge_ram_mopar_360@...> wrote:
Is this Raspberry Pi desktop?
Debian Bullseye with Raspberry Pi Desktop?
If not it may be better to use this image instead

On Aug 22, 2022 at 9:34 AM, Dave Slotter, W3DJS <slotter@...> wrote:

Hi,

Ok, we have some issues. Now that you've pointed them out, can you suggest a way to improve HamPC?

Let's keep making the project better. This is a free, open-source project. How can you help make it better?

On Mon, Aug 22, 2022 at 11:33 AM <stemcgaughey84@...> wrote:
knew people would have problems with this


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Re: Flash/Install issues

 

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Right, but what Linux operating system are you using? Raspbian make a Raspberry Pi desktop for PC and Mac, the link I sent.?



On Aug 22, 2022 at 9:42 AM, Dave Slotter, W3DJS <slotter@...> wrote:

HamPi and HamPC are two different operating system?images. HamPi runs on the Raspberry Pi and HamPC runs on the x86 laptop or desktop system.

On Mon, Aug 22, 2022 at 11:38 AM Christopher <dodge_ram_mopar_360@...> wrote:
Is this Raspberry Pi desktop?
Debian Bullseye with Raspberry Pi Desktop?
If not it may be better to use this image instead

On Aug 22, 2022 at 9:34 AM, Dave Slotter, W3DJS <slotter@...> wrote:

Hi,

Ok, we have some issues. Now that you've pointed them out, can you suggest a way to improve HamPC?

Let's keep making the project better. This is a free, open-source project. How can you help make it better?

On Mon, Aug 22, 2022 at 11:33 AM <stemcgaughey84@...> wrote:
knew people would have problems with this


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Re: Flash/Install issues

 

HamPi and HamPC are two different operating system?images. HamPi runs on the Raspberry Pi and HamPC runs on the x86 laptop or desktop system.


On Mon, Aug 22, 2022 at 11:38 AM Christopher <dodge_ram_mopar_360@...> wrote:
Is this Raspberry Pi desktop?
Debian Bullseye with Raspberry Pi Desktop?
If not it may be better to use this image instead

On Aug 22, 2022 at 9:34 AM, Dave Slotter, W3DJS <slotter@...> wrote:

Hi,

Ok, we have some issues. Now that you've pointed them out, can you suggest a way to improve HamPC?

Let's keep making the project better. This is a free, open-source project. How can you help make it better?

On Mon, Aug 22, 2022 at 11:33 AM <stemcgaughey84@...> wrote:
knew people would have problems with this


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Re: Flash/Install issues

 

I'll have to perform some research to find out just how to do that. I definitely don't want to leave out legacy devices!

73,

On Mon, Aug 22, 2022 at 11:38 AM KO4USQ - Daniel <KO4USQ@...> wrote:
You could create a Ham PC image that uses legacy Bios boot instead of UEFI.? That way older PCs could be used.

Get

From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of Dave Slotter, W3DJS <slotter@...>
Sent: Monday, August 22, 2022 11:34:19 AM
To: [email protected] <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [HamPC] Flash/Install issues
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Hi,

Ok, we have some issues. Now that you've pointed them out, can you suggest a way to improve HamPC?

Let's keep making the project better. This is a free, open-source project. How can you help make it better?

On Mon, Aug 22, 2022 at 11:33 AM <stemcgaughey84@...> wrote:
knew people would have problems with this


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Re: Flash/Install issues

 

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Is this Raspberry Pi desktop?
Debian Bullseye with Raspberry Pi Desktop?
If not it may be better to use this image instead
https://downloads.raspberrypi.org/rpd_x86/images/

On Aug 22, 2022 at 9:34 AM, Dave Slotter, W3DJS <slotter@...> wrote:

Hi,

Ok, we have some issues. Now that you've pointed them out, can you suggest a way to improve HamPC?

Let's keep making the project better. This is a free, open-source project. How can you help make it better?

On Mon, Aug 22, 2022 at 11:33 AM <stemcgaughey84@...> wrote:
knew people would have problems with this


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Re: Flash/Install issues

 

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You could create a Ham PC image that uses legacy Bios boot instead of UEFI.? That way older PCs could be used.

Get


From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of Dave Slotter, W3DJS <slotter@...>
Sent: Monday, August 22, 2022 11:34:19 AM
To: [email protected] <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [HamPC] Flash/Install issues
?
Hi,

Ok, we have some issues. Now that you've pointed them out, can you suggest a way to improve HamPC?

Let's keep making the project better. This is a free, open-source project. How can you help make it better?

On Mon, Aug 22, 2022 at 11:33 AM <stemcgaughey84@...> wrote:
knew people would have problems with this


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Re: Flash/Install issues

 

Hi,

Ok, we have some issues. Now that you've pointed them out, can you suggest a way to improve HamPC?

Let's keep making the project better. This is a free, open-source project. How can you help make it better?

On Mon, Aug 22, 2022 at 11:33 AM <stemcgaughey84@...> wrote:
knew people would have problems with this


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Re: Flash/Install issues

 

knew people would have problems with this


Re: Flash/Install issues

 

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Your PC does not support UEFI boot.

Get


From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of Christopher <dodge_ram_mopar_360@...>
Sent: Monday, August 22, 2022 12:08:09 AM
To: HamPC <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [HamPC] Flash/Install issues
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I tried to install with Balenaetcher and no luck, same with Win32imager and Ventoy. I did change boot priority to load USB first.
It would be cool to see this run on PC! I think it would be better than Skywave Linux!!
I'm running a old Pentium 4 single core processor.
Compaq CQ-60



On Aug 21, 2022 at 8:42 PM, Jeff Steinkamp <n7yg@...> wrote:

I'll give BalenaEtcher a try later in the week.

Dave Slotter, W3DJS wrote on 8/21/2022 09:17:
If Rufus works for me but doesn't work for others, then I must be missing including some configuration instructions. However if BalenaEtcher works, then I should prob change my instructions to get people to use that.

73,

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Re: Flash/Install issues

 

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I tried to install with Balenaetcher and no luck, same with Win32imager and Ventoy. I did change boot priority to load USB first.
It would be cool to see this run on PC! I think it would be better than Skywave Linux!!
I'm running a old Pentium 4 single core processor.
Compaq CQ-60


On Aug 21, 2022 at 8:42 PM, Jeff Steinkamp <n7yg@...> wrote:

I'll give BalenaEtcher a try later in the week.

Dave Slotter, W3DJS wrote on 8/21/2022 09:17:
If Rufus works for me but doesn't work for others, then I must be missing including some configuration instructions. However if BalenaEtcher works, then I should prob change my instructions to get people to use that.

73,

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Re: Flash/Install issues

 

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I'll give BalenaEtcher a try later in the week.

Dave Slotter, W3DJS wrote on 8/21/2022 09:17:

If Rufus works for me but doesn't work for others, then I must be missing including some configuration instructions. However if BalenaEtcher works, then I should prob change my instructions to get people to use that.

73,

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Re: CQRlog mySQL error

 

Hi Dave

Am 22.08.22 um 01:50 schrieb Dave Slotter, W3DJS:
I see your log. Let me check into it and see what I can do...
Many thanks in advance. I can wait.

By the way, before starting CQRlog, I changed the system language to german, but I cannot imagine that it has to do with that. I suppose maybe some permission problems?

The error is reproductable. Every time I try to start CQRlog, it's the same.

If anyone else has any ideas in the meanwhile...
It would be interesting if other users have watched the same problem or not?

73
Udo, HB9ERD


Re: CQRlog mySQL error

 

I see your log. Let me check into it and see what I can do...

If anyone else has any ideas in the meanwhile...

On Sun, Aug 21, 2022, 6:31 PM Udo Isaenko <dx@...> wrote:
It seems that I posted this before to the wrong group. But here is the
place for it:

I just tried to open for the first time CQRlog on my freshly installed
HamPC stick.

Unless the HamPi (where it worked without any problems last night), I
got a severe mySQL error:

2022-08-21T19:23:00.188690Z 0 [System] [MY-010116] [Server]
/usr/sbin/mysqld (mysqld 8.0.30-0ubuntu0.22.04.1) starting as process 7165
2022-08-21T19:23:00.191332Z 0 [Warning] [MY-013242] [Server]
--character-set-server: 'utf8' is currently an alias for the character
set UTF8MB3, but will be an alias for UTF8MB4 in a future release.
Please consider using UTF8MB4 in order to be unambiguous.
2022-08-21T19:23:00.191354Z 0 [Warning] [MY-013244] [Server]
--collation-server: 'utf8mb3_bin' is a collation of the deprecated
character set UTF8MB3. Please consider using UTF8MB4 with an appropriate
collation instead.
2022-08-21T19:23:00.197053Z 0 [Warning] [MY-010075] [Server] No existing
UUID has been found, so we assume that this is the first time that this
server has been started. Generating a new UUID:
ab521026-2186-11ed-bccd-84a6c8e3985b.

Until here, only some warnings, not so important, but now:

2022-08-21T19:23:00.206528Z 1 [ERROR] [MY-011011] [Server] Failed to
find valid data directory.
2022-08-21T19:23:00.206733Z 0 [ERROR] [MY-010020] [Server] Data
Dictionary initialization failed.
2022-08-21T19:23:00.206770Z 0 [ERROR] [MY-010119] [Server] Aborting
2022-08-21T19:23:00.207129Z 0 [System] [MY-010910] [Server]
/usr/sbin/mysqld: Shutdown complete (mysqld 8.0.30-0ubuntu0.22.04.1)
(Ubuntu).

The databases could not be created and the logbook cannot work.

For the moment, I don't know what should I do. Can anybody help me?

73
Udo, HB9ERD






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Re: Flash/Install issues

 

Balena Etcher (Win 10) worked for me as well with a thumb drive. I was also able to use Balena to install the image on the M.2 drive in a ThinkPad Yoga 370.? Boots and runs without issue.?


CQRlog mySQL error

 

It seems that I posted this before to the wrong group. But here is the place for it:

I just tried to open for the first time CQRlog on my freshly installed HamPC stick.

Unless the HamPi (where it worked without any problems last night), I got a severe mySQL error:

2022-08-21T19:23:00.188690Z 0 [System] [MY-010116] [Server] /usr/sbin/mysqld (mysqld 8.0.30-0ubuntu0.22.04.1) starting as process 7165
2022-08-21T19:23:00.191332Z 0 [Warning] [MY-013242] [Server] --character-set-server: 'utf8' is currently an alias for the character set UTF8MB3, but will be an alias for UTF8MB4 in a future release. Please consider using UTF8MB4 in order to be unambiguous.
2022-08-21T19:23:00.191354Z 0 [Warning] [MY-013244] [Server] --collation-server: 'utf8mb3_bin' is a collation of the deprecated character set UTF8MB3. Please consider using UTF8MB4 with an appropriate collation instead.
2022-08-21T19:23:00.197053Z 0 [Warning] [MY-010075] [Server] No existing UUID has been found, so we assume that this is the first time that this server has been started. Generating a new UUID: ab521026-2186-11ed-bccd-84a6c8e3985b.

Until here, only some warnings, not so important, but now:

2022-08-21T19:23:00.206528Z 1 [ERROR] [MY-011011] [Server] Failed to find valid data directory.
2022-08-21T19:23:00.206733Z 0 [ERROR] [MY-010020] [Server] Data Dictionary initialization failed.
2022-08-21T19:23:00.206770Z 0 [ERROR] [MY-010119] [Server] Aborting
2022-08-21T19:23:00.207129Z 0 [System] [MY-010910] [Server] /usr/sbin/mysqld: Shutdown complete (mysqld 8.0.30-0ubuntu0.22.04.1) (Ubuntu).

The databases could not be created and the logbook cannot work.

For the moment, I don't know what should I do. Can anybody help me?

73
Udo, HB9ERD


Re: Flash/Install issues

 

In fact, Balena Etcher did the job. I just had the time to try my USB stick that I flashed this afternoon and it works.

Many thanks, Dave, for this nice distribution.

73
Udo, HB9ERD

Am 21.08.22 um 18:17 schrieb Dave Slotter, W3DJS:

If Rufus works for me but doesn't work for others, then I must be missing including some configuration instructions. However if BalenaEtcher works, then I should prob change my instructions to get people to use that.


Re: Flash/Install issues

 

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Just an idea, try using Ventoy and just drag the image to the flash drive


On Aug 21, 2022 at 10:16 AM, Chuck Rexroad <crexroad34@...> wrote:

I found that Rufus on WIndows 11 didn't image the USB drive properly but balenaEtcher worked fine.? Not sure if that helps.

Best,
Chuck
(860) 268-6758


On Sun, Aug 21, 2022 at 11:54 AM Dave Slotter, W3DJS <slotter@...> wrote:
Copying yesterday's response from Facebook:


First, I want to let you know that I've been at the Huntsville Hamfest today and I will be there tomorrow, so my ability to respond is somewhat limited at present. Second, I want to let you know that I'm very sorry that you had such a negative experience. I can see that you are very frustrated and I would like to do what I can to help you out. I would like to invite you to check out a much more comprehensive information site which is a link tree that my wonderful XYL set up for HamPi and HamPC. That link is . On that link tree you will see links to more comprehensive documentation such as the wiki that I have set up for HamPi and HamPC as well as the community support group on . I generally provide my free volunteer tech support at so that when I answer a question for one person or I help one person solve a problem, so that others will read and can benefit from the solution as well. What I would like to do, if you are okay with it, is to transfer this conversation to the community support group and if you could just copy and paste your message or repeat your issue in whatever form you feel comfortable on I would be happy to walk you through the troubleshooting steps and if we can identify ways to improve my instructions, I would certainly welcome that opportunity. Please do understand that this is a free resource that I provide to the ham community at large and I am but one person, and there are thousands of you out there. I do the best I can with the time that God has allotted to me. Thank you for your understanding.

On Sun, Aug 21, 2022, 10:04 Jeff Steinkamp <n7yg@...> wrote:
I have spent entirely way too much time screwing with this. In the military, we commonly referred to this experience as the classic cluster F%^k. I downloaded your HamPC archive from the web link you provided on FB. I also downloaded your Readme file and the How to Flash Image file. I have a 128GB stick so this was perfect for the job, as stated in your file. I downloaded the Rufus program you recommend and got that up and running. Your instructions state that, “You do not need to decompress this file before flashing it to a USB thumb drive.” So, I pointed Rufus to this 5GB archive and clicked Start. The fact this process completed in less than 90 seconds had me quite skeptical. And I was correct. It did not boot, even with me forcing the boot menu direct to the USB drive. I then extracted the Image file from the Archive and got a 35GB image file that appears to be an ISO, but has the file type as image. I selected this .img file in Rufus and this time it appeared to write the image to the USB stick as it took almost an hour to accomplish this process. I did have a look at the stick with the Disk Manager in Windows and it does show this drive with 2 partitions, the first at 512MB as the EFI System Partition and the other as a healthy Primary Partition of 32GB and 88GB that is unallocated. But no matter what I try to do, this stick will not boot in my Windows Machine, nor will it boot in the box I have running Linux. So, If I, a computer professional, am unable to get this working, nobody else will either. I did take a look at your README file and the concept you have is good and it does include a lot of ham radio software. But you have to remember that 80% of licensed hams today are nothing more than appliance operators with almost zero knowledge of Linux and hard pressed to pass the license exam for the class they hold. Your Sourceforge/GIT site is extremely sparse when it comes to information and details. It’s back in your ballcourt now. BTW, I neve did find the WiKi!!

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Re: Flash/Install issues

 

If Rufus works for me but doesn't work for others, then I must be missing including some configuration instructions. However if BalenaEtcher works, then I should prob change my instructions to get people to use that.

73,

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