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"Back in the early years of these groups, computer memory and dial-up connections limited discussions.? Now these issues are trivial, digital memory is cheap and internet connections are quite fast.? It just seems easier for me to leave past comments in the post then to go back and research what was discussed in the past.? "

I was beginning to feel the hand of Jack Hill in this post...? (if you know you know).? :-)

The amount of storage used by text is insignificant.??

The transformer discussion was interesting!

John K5MO



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All the samples appear okay to me.

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73,

Gary – W6GVS

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From: don Root via groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2024 7:55 PM
To: [email protected]
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Re: Very Nice 8R-40 Incoming!

 

The 8R-40 information on the Web indicates that its chassis is laid out
essentially the same as my S-40B with the exception that the 5Y3 is
replaced by a solid state rectifier so the 8R-40 has only seven tubes.
It does have a BFO. I haven't compared the schematics other than that.

73,

Maynard
W6PAP


On 7/31/24 06:18, John Meade W2XS wrote:
It looks to be in nice shape. Good luck with it. It looks like an S40B
with a 5R10 dial on it, minus the BFO.


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Richard, just for the record, did they distribute DC to homes? Exactly where

??talks about it, and just says “customers”, with no mention about houses or special businesses.

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From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Richard Knoppow
Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2024 1:46 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [HallicraftersRadios] S-38B Tuning Shaft Query

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Turns out the last DC in the US was Con Edison in NYC, discontinued
in 2007. However converters were installed in some buildings to operate
devices requiring DC.

On 7/31/2024 10:22 AM, Richard Knoppow wrote:

If the neutral side of the line is really neutral. The rule in the
old days, as detailed in most handbooks, was to put the plug in to get
minimum hum. Of course on DC the set would not work if the plug was in
the wrong way. Is there anyplace now with DC current? Was once common on
ships. Must be pretty rare. I think NYC still had some DC until fairly
recently due to elevators and other machinery requiring it.

--
Richard Knoppow
Los Angeles
WB6KBL
SKCC 19998


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Re: S-38B Tuning Shaft Query

 
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If it is a matched lossless transmission line then there is no reflected power so the load receives 100% of the power!? Or at least that is the theory.? <grin>
Jim

Re: [HallicraftersRadios] S-38B Tuning Shaft Query
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  • Jacques_VE2JFE?
    From:jacques.f@...
    Wed, Jul 31 at 4:14 PM

    There is another reason to use DC on very long power transmission lines, and this one is not necessary obvious…




Logic: Method used to arrive at the wrong conclusion, with confidence.? Murphy


On Wednesday, July 31, 2024 at 04:14:06 PM CDT, Jacques_VE2JFE <jacques.f@...> wrote:


There is another reason to use DC on very long power transmission lines, and this one is not necessary obvious…

On certain installations, and I believe that the Manitoba line is one, the length of the line approach a quarter wavelength at 60 Hz.

What the transmission line theory then tells you ??

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73, Jacques, VE2JFE in Montreal

?

Yes – because DC has no “crest factor,” it makes greater efficient use of transmission.? The peak, average, and RMS values for DC are all the same, reducing insulation requirements and eliminating the periods of the AC wave where the instantaneous RMS current is more than the time-averaged RMS current. As we remember I squared R is the formula for loss, so less loss, less heat, smaller conductors, and cheaper insulators!

Plus – no synchronization problems!!

Interesting return to Edison’s original idea – but without the DC generators he had hoped to see every few blocks in cities, and to homes in rural areas!

Mike/
K5MGR
____________________________________________

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Mike Langner
929 Alameda Road NW
Albuquerque, NM 87114-1901

(505) 898-3212 home/home office
(505) 238-8810 cell

Richard,? no doubt there is still DC and maybe 25 cycle AC, but all this is limited to specific plants, maybe dedicated electric transportation, large mining and such.

I have not seen? any consumer item in North America intended for connection to ?“DC mains” .

There are still many DC motors in use , but rotary or static converters get power from AC “mains” at 120V, 460V, 600V, 2300V, 4160V, 13,000V and much much higher for HVDC transmission , and I just now ?bumped into this at ?

And I started all this Nelson River planning as a student at Manitoba hydro Planning department.. all those hydro stations, and just maybe connect those very long lines using HVDC at something like 700,000 volts.

Also see

here is the line on a map.

?

So DC is not dead, but I doubt there is a 110 DC outlet in any North American house, but I’m ready for backlash and getting re-educated. ?

Oh sorry , I’m on double time now!


Re: S-38B Tuning Shaft Query

 

Good luck with the S-38B. My original one was accidently included in
a bunch of stuff I had in storage and sold. It was in pretty bad shape
(my fault). I have an S-38 in the queue for restoring.
I got mine by nagging my parents. A neighbor had a B and I decided
I wanted one. I suspect we could have gotten an S-20R for the same
price, would have been a step up but I was very naive and my dad was
too. Oh, well. At nine years old I would not have appreciated the
difference.


On 7/31/2024 3:55 PM, Ron Sharp via groups.io wrote:
My original post was about the materials use for the S-38B tuning
extension shafts. Having now pulled the chassis out of the radio, it
turns out that the shafts, which were made of plastic, had been snapped
off just inside the case. What made me think they were extension shafts
were some spacers that had been added between the metal case and the
tuning shaft support brackets. I will make up two new shafts from plastic.
Sorry to give mis-information at the start of the post, but the ensuing
conversation has been most enlightening.
Cheers
Ron Sharp
VK2IRS
Burrill Lake NSW
Australia

--
Richard Knoppow
Los Angeles
WB6KBL
SKCC 19998


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Post up a couple of pics.

Justin B. - KI5GKD
On 7/31/2024 5:55 PM, Ron Sharp via groups.io wrote:

My original post was about the materials use for the S-38B tuning extension shafts. Having now pulled the chassis out of the radio, it turns out that the shafts, which were made of plastic, had been snapped off just inside the case. What made me think they were extension shafts were some spacers that had been added between the metal case and the tuning shaft support brackets. I will make up two new shafts from plastic.
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Sorry to give mis-information at the start of the post, but the ensuing conversation has been most enlightening.
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Cheers
Ron Sharp
VK2IRS
Burrill Lake NSW
Australia

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Justin B.
KI5GKD


Re: S-38B Tuning Shaft Query

 

My original post was about the materials use for the S-38B tuning extension shafts. Having now pulled the chassis out of the radio, it turns out that the shafts, which were made of plastic, had been snapped off just inside the case. What made me think they were extension shafts were some spacers that had been added between the metal case and the tuning shaft support brackets. I will make up two new shafts from plastic.
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Sorry to give mis-information at the start of the post, but the ensuing conversation has been most enlightening.
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Cheers
Ron Sharp
VK2IRS
Burrill Lake NSW
Australia


Re: Very Nice 8R-40 Incoming!

 

It has a BFO pitch control, last knob on the right! :-)
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73,
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KI5GKD


Re: S-38B Tuning Shaft Query

 

DC is still used for specific long distance transmission lines. For
instance the Pacific Intertie which runs at near a million bolts DC from
The Dales in Oregon to Los Angeles. I have been at the Sylmar receiving
station where it is converted to AC for distribution. Its like something
from a high budget sci-fi movie. When I visited, quite a long time ago
some of the conversion equipment was covered with tarps because there
was secret technology involved. I think now other gear is used but don't
know. The Sylmar plant is owned jointly by the Los Angeles Department of
Water and Power and the Southern California Edison company but run by
the DWP. It can supply the entire demand of the city but normally
supplies about half, the other half coming from the four corners plant
and a mix of other sources such as Boulder Dam and some local generating
stations.
The Dales is hydroelectric, Four Corners is coal/gas far from the
city because it produces pollution, so its hidden way out in the stix.
If anyone ever figures out how to produce cheap electricty without
pollution it will be a revolution in the world.
25hz power was evidently a result of General Electric pushing it
for industrial and railroad use. When my family visited the Canadian
side of Niagara Falls when I was a kid they had 25Hz power. The
flickering of the room lights was very obvious. The Pennsylvania
Railroad ran on 25Hz current, not sure if it still does. They wanted to
convert to 60Hz several years ago so that they could buy power from
independent sources but found it was too expensive. Another General
Electric installation.
At one time Los Angeles was partly on 50Hz power and partly on 60Hz.
I think the 50Hz was continued until the end of WW-2. I don't remember
all the history but think LADWP was 60Hz and SCE was 50Hz plus there
were a lot of independent power companies in smaller cities like
Burbank. Lots of this history is on the web.


On 7/31/2024 1:03 PM, don Root wrote:
Richard,? no doubt there is still DC and maybe 25 cycle AC, but all this
is limited to specific plants, maybe dedicated electric transportation,
large mining and such.

I have not seen? any consumer item in North America intended for
connection to ?“DC mains” .

There are still many DC motors in use , but rotary or static converters
get power from AC “mains” at 120V, 460V, 600V, 2300V, 4160V, 13,000V and
much much higher for HVDC transmission , and I just now ?bumped into
this at


<>

And I started all this Nelson River planning as a student at Manitoba
hydro Planning department.. all those hydro stations, and just maybe
connect those very long lines using HVDC at something like 700,000 volts.

Also see


<>

here is the line on a map.

So DC is not dead, but I doubt there is a 110 DC outlet in any North
American house, but I’m ready for backlash and getting re-educated.

Oh sorry , I’m on double time now!

--
Richard Knoppow
Los Angeles
WB6KBL
SKCC 19998


Re: S-38B Tuning Shaft Query

 
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There is another reason to use DC on very long power transmission lines, and this one is not necessary obvious…

On certain installations, and I believe that the Manitoba line is one, the length of the line approach a quarter wavelength at 60 Hz.

What the transmission line theory then tells you ??

?

73, Jacques, VE2JFE in Montreal

?

Yes – because DC has no “crest factor,” it makes greater efficient use of transmission.? The peak, average, and RMS values for DC are all the same, reducing insulation requirements and eliminating the periods of the AC wave where the instantaneous RMS current is more than the time-averaged RMS current. As we remember I squared R is the formula for loss, so less loss, less heat, smaller conductors, and cheaper insulators!

Plus – no synchronization problems!!

Interesting return to Edison’s original idea – but without the DC generators he had hoped to see every few blocks in cities, and to homes in rural areas!

Mike/
K5MGR
____________________________________________

?

Mike Langner
929 Alameda Road NW
Albuquerque, NM 87114-1901

(505) 898-3212 home/home office
(505) 238-8810 cell

Richard,? no doubt there is still DC and maybe 25 cycle AC, but all this is limited to specific plants, maybe dedicated electric transportation, large mining and such.

I have not seen? any consumer item in North America intended for connection to ?“DC mains” .

There are still many DC motors in use , but rotary or static converters get power from AC “mains” at 120V, 460V, 600V, 2300V, 4160V, 13,000V and much much higher for HVDC transmission , and I just now ?bumped into this at ?

And I started all this Nelson River planning as a student at Manitoba hydro Planning department.. all those hydro stations, and just maybe connect those very long lines using HVDC at something like 700,000 volts.

Also see

here is the line on a map.

?

So DC is not dead, but I doubt there is a 110 DC outlet in any North American house, but I’m ready for backlash and getting re-educated. ?

Oh sorry , I’m on double time now!


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RE??? Plus – no synchronization problems!!?? ???

Yes, the Long AC lines from remote generators tend to be unstable, and ?was a real big problem for AC. I tell mechanical people it is like having a motor driving a mile long shaft with a wood chipper on? the end, even if there were bearings every 2 feet.. but I have not seen one.

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From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Mike Langner
Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2024 4:13 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [HallicraftersRadios] S-38B Tuning Shaft Query

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Yes – because DC has no “crest factor,” it makes greater efficient use of transmission.? The peak, average, and RMS values for DC are all the same, reducing insulation requirements and eliminating the periods of the AC wave where the instantaneous RMS current is more than the time-averaged RMS current. As we remember I squared R is the formula for loss, so less loss, less heat, smaller conductors, and cheaper insulators!

Plus – no synchronization problems!!

Interesting return to Edison’s original idea – but without the DC generators he had hoped to see every few blocks in cities, and to homes in rural areas!

Mike/
K5MGR


--
don??? va3drl


Re: S-38B Tuning Shaft Query

 
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Yes – because DC has no “crest factor,” it makes greater efficient use of transmission.? The peak, average, and RMS values for DC are all the same, reducing insulation requirements and eliminating the periods of the AC wave where the instantaneous RMS current is more than the time-averaged RMS current. As we remember I squared R is the formula for loss, so less loss, less heat, smaller conductors, and cheaper insulators!

Plus – no synchronization problems!!

Interesting return to Edison’s original idea – but without the DC generators he had hoped to see every few blocks in cities, and to homes in rural areas!

Mike/
K5MGR
____________________________________________

?

Mike Langner
929 Alameda Road NW
Albuquerque, NM 87114-1901

(505) 898-3212 home/home office
(505) 238-8810 cell
mlangner@...

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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of don Root
Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2024 2:04 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [HallicraftersRadios] S-38B Tuning Shaft Query

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Richard,? no doubt there is still DC and maybe 25 cycle AC, but all this is limited to specific plants, maybe dedicated electric transportation, large mining and such.

I have not seen? any consumer item in North America intended for connection to ?“DC mains” .

There are still many DC motors in use , but rotary or static converters get power from AC “mains” at 120V, 460V, 600V, 2300V, 4160V, 13,000V and much much higher for HVDC transmission , and I just now ?bumped into this at ?

And I started all this Nelson River planning as a student at Manitoba hydro Planning department.. all those hydro stations, and just maybe connect those very long lines using HVDC at something like 700,000 volts.

Also see

here is the line on a map.

?

So DC is not dead, but I doubt there is a 110 DC outlet in any North American house, but I’m ready for backlash and getting re-educated. ?

Oh sorry , I’m on double time now!

?

From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Richard Knoppow
Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2024 1:22 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [HallicraftersRadios] S-38B Tuning Shaft Query

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If the neutral side of the line is really neutral. The rule in the
old days, as detailed in most handbooks, was to put the plug in to get
minimum hum. Of course on DC the set would not work if the plug was in
the wrong way. Is there anyplace now with DC current? Was once common on
ships. Must be pretty rare. I think NYC still had some DC until fairly
recently due to elevators and other machinery requiring it.

On 7/31/2024 9:41 AM, don Root wrote:

Yea and now that the 1940s,? 50s, etc have past most people have
polarized outlets, so you now can polarize the plug properly, so you
don’t get a hot chassis.

--
Richard Knoppow
Los Angeles
WB6KBL
SKCC 19998 ??


--
don??? va3drl


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Oh, good to know a bit about that Bill.

Now if I accidentally post a big image,? and then go on line, and remove it, will it be purged from the system automatically, and it I delete the whole posting do the picks go right to your trash can???? Ya, I got fat fingers too.

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From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Bill (Group Owner)
Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2024 1:44 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [HallicraftersRadios] Hallicrafters group storage space

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JPG is fine probably the others too, I know of no image types that are rejected.

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Like I said if I was not clear.

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The images or the image files that are contained in the "Photos" folders, can be removed with a single click of the mouse even if there were 1,000 images in the folder.

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The emailed images from members are fine but removing them is a task because each individual image in order to be erased, requires (3) mouse movements and (3) clicks to remove it.? That is why I purge it from time to time.? If I didn't the quantity of images would be beyond my ability to erase them one at a time.

I know of no method where emailed images can be stored in their own folder, maybe that's a good thing.

K2WH

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Richard,? no doubt there is still DC and maybe 25 cycle AC, but all this is limited to specific plants, maybe dedicated electric transportation, large mining and such.

I have not seen? any consumer item in North America intended for connection to ?“DC mains” .

There are still many DC motors in use , but rotary or static converters get power from AC “mains” at 120V, 460V, 600V, 2300V, 4160V, 13,000V and much much higher for HVDC transmission , and I just now ?bumped into this at ?

And I started all this Nelson River planning as a student at Manitoba hydro Planning department.. all those hydro stations, and just maybe connect those very long lines using HVDC at something like 700,000 volts.

Also see

here is the line on a map.

?

So DC is not dead, but I doubt there is a 110 DC outlet in any North American house, but I’m ready for backlash and getting re-educated. ?

Oh sorry , I’m on double time now!

?

From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Richard Knoppow
Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2024 1:22 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [HallicraftersRadios] S-38B Tuning Shaft Query

?

If the neutral side of the line is really neutral. The rule in the
old days, as detailed in most handbooks, was to put the plug in to get
minimum hum. Of course on DC the set would not work if the plug was in
the wrong way. Is there anyplace now with DC current? Was once common on
ships. Must be pretty rare. I think NYC still had some DC until fairly
recently due to elevators and other machinery requiring it.

On 7/31/2024 9:41 AM, don Root wrote:

Yea and now that the 1940s,? 50s, etc have past most people have
polarized outlets, so you now can polarize the plug properly, so you
don’t get a hot chassis.

--
Richard Knoppow
Los Angeles
WB6KBL
SKCC 19998 ??


--
don??? va3drl


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And in NYC, the last major use for DC was in the garment district – lots of old textile machines used it.? As you say, converters kept them going --

Mike/
K5MGR
___________________________________

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Mike Langner
929 Alameda Road NW
Albuquerque, NM 87114-1901

(505) 898-3212 home/home office
(505) 238-8810 cell
mlangner@...

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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Richard Knoppow
Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2024 11:46 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [HallicraftersRadios] S-38B Tuning Shaft Query

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Turns out the last DC in the US was Con Edison in NYC, discontinued
in 2007. However converters were installed in some buildings to operate
devices requiring DC.

On 7/31/2024 10:22 AM, Richard Knoppow wrote:

If the neutral side of the line is really neutral. The rule in the
old days, as detailed in most handbooks, was to put the plug in to get
minimum hum. Of course on DC the set would not work if the plug was in
the wrong way. Is there anyplace now with DC current? Was once common on
ships. Must be pretty rare. I think NYC still had some DC until fairly
recently due to elevators and other machinery requiring it.

--
Richard Knoppow
Los Angeles
WB6KBL
SKCC 19998


Re: S-38B Tuning Shaft Query

 

Turns out the last DC in the US was Con Edison in NYC, discontinued
in 2007. However converters were installed in some buildings to operate
devices requiring DC.


On 7/31/2024 10:22 AM, Richard Knoppow wrote:
If the neutral side of the line is really neutral. The rule in the
old days, as detailed in most handbooks, was to put the plug in to get
minimum hum. Of course on DC the set would not work if the plug was in
the wrong way. Is there anyplace now with DC current? Was once common on
ships. Must be pretty rare. I think NYC still had some DC until fairly
recently due to elevators and other machinery requiring it.
--
Richard Knoppow
Los Angeles
WB6KBL
SKCC 19998


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JPG is fine probably the others too, I know of no image types that are rejected.
?
Like I said if I was not clear.
?
The images or the image files that are contained in the "Photos" folders, can be removed with a single click of the mouse even if there were 1,000 images in the folder.
?
The emailed images from members are fine but removing them is a task because each individual image in order to be erased, requires (3) mouse movements and (3) clicks to remove it.? That is why I purge it from time to time.? If I didn't the quantity of images would be beyond my ability to erase them one at a time.
I know of no method where emailed images can be stored in their own folder, maybe that's a good thing.

K2WH


Re: S-38B Tuning Shaft Query

 

If the neutral side of the line is really neutral. The rule in the
old days, as detailed in most handbooks, was to put the plug in to get
minimum hum. Of course on DC the set would not work if the plug was in
the wrong way. Is there anyplace now with DC current? Was once common on
ships. Must be pretty rare. I think NYC still had some DC until fairly
recently due to elevators and other machinery requiring it.


On 7/31/2024 9:41 AM, don Root wrote:
Yea and now that the 1940s,? 50s, etc have past most people have
polarized outlets, so you now can polarize the plug properly, so you
don’t get a hot chassis.
--
Richard Knoppow
Los Angeles
WB6KBL
SKCC 19998


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We all must thank you Bill for your generosity and for starting the group.. Thank you Bill

Maybe you can tell us what kinds of images are preferred ??jpg, ?png, gif, tif ?etc ?and which are rejected

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From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Bill (Group Owner)
Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2024 12:57 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [HallicraftersRadios] Hallicrafters group storage space

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Let me clarify.

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1.???? This is a free group for members except for me which I pay out of my pocket and have been for 20 years (Has it been that long? :)

2.???? The storage space on this group is 30gb not 1gb.

3.???? You guessed right, I do remove images from time to time that have been sitting and forgotten for some time when the image repository reaches about 100-125 images and especially when the same image is in storage multiple times, copied and repeated in replies.? Then I start to trim it down.? Why do I do that because as you say, its wasteful of space and just a habit of mine going back to the ol Radio Shack Model 1 day.

K2WH
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don??? va3drl