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Re: TO Keyer help
Got the TO setup with my TS-530S this morning and made some contacts on 30 meters.? Took a while to get used to it being non-iambic but I got to where my fist wasn't too bad lol.? It seems to work just fine. Here's a pic of it.? Very nice condx except for the broken FUNCTION knob.? Anyone got a replacement knob they would like to get rid of?
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Re: For Sale… HA1 keyer - update
开云体育I had to replace practically all the resistors on my HA-1. The circuit for the dash`s is created by double triggering the dots. The resistance values ??are very important here. It is also important that the mercury relay only works properly in a vertical position !! ? Von: [email protected] <[email protected]> Im Auftrag von Richard Knoppow ? May be the same problem I am having. Have not found out yet what is On 9/5/2024 4:51 PM, Dennis Ashworth, K7FL wrote:
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Re: For Sale… HA1 keyer - update
May be the same problem I am having. Have not found out yet what is
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causing it. On 9/5/2024 4:51 PM, Dennis Ashworth, K7FL wrote: Thanks … this is useful. The key paddles are not the issue as the same -- Richard Knoppow Los Angeles WB6KBL SKCC 19998 |
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Re: For Sale… HA1 keyer - update
Dennis Ashworth, K7FL
Thanks … this is useful. The key paddles are not the issue as the same thing happens with the plug completely disengaged from the Jack. It may be a simple as a couple of leads touching … very messy wiring for a commercial product …. Driving my OCD nuts!? All constructive ideas welcomed Dennis, K7FL On Thu, Sep 5, 2024 at 2:27?PM Richard Knoppow via <1oldlens1=[email protected]> wrote: As suggested, make sure the connector or paddle is not shorted but my |
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Re: For Sale… HA1 keyer -update
As suggested, make sure the connector or paddle is not shorted but my
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HA-1 has developed the same problem. I think its a defective capacitor or resistor. Have been lifting and testing parts. When I cure the problem I will post here but at the moment its on the back burner. When I got the keyer it ran slowly on both ranges. In the course of trouble shooting the current problem I discovered a couple of places where resistors had been added. Don't know if that caused the slowing because the current problem started. In any case make sure its not something simple like a shorted contact before getting deeper into it. BTW, the unit is hard on tubes because they spend a lot of time biased off. Hallicrafters recommends computer versions of the tubes that are designed for this service. May not make a lot of difference, should work with stock tubes. In any case check the tubes when trouble shooting. Good luck and please let the list know what you find. Right now its over 100 here and I really don't feel like doing anything. Nothing like heat to make you feel lazy (or maybe cold too). On 9/5/2024 11:35 AM, Dennis Ashworth, K7FL wrote: Powered up the HA1. All seems to function except it appears to be stuck --
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Re: TO Keyer help
It occurred to me after posting my piece that "keyer" also applies to
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the part of a transmitter used to change the output to send code. It can be some electronic device or a relay, can change bias or some other voltage. There are many arrangements including frequency shift keying. Curiously, while frequency shift keying is mostly associated with RTTY it actually dates back to the spark days when transmitters were keyed by detuning the output circuit. So, be careful of the context when encountering the word "keyer". It is TOO HOT in Los Angeles. On 9/4/2024 9:18 PM, Robert Needleman via groups.io wrote: Nope - a bug is a semi-automatic K-E-Y? Not a keyer. The term "keyer" -- Richard Knoppow Los Angeles WB6KBL SKCC 19998 |
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Re: For Sale… HA1 keyer -update
Sounds like your paddles are not wired right. Quick check, pull the plug. If it stops then you have either a short in the plug or plug not wired correctly. Not uncommon to have things pushed together when assembling the shell back on to the plug. Look for things already close together even before assembly. For what it's worth on the big semantics discussion, checked my 1964 Handbook for the Vibroplex ad. There it is, the "new by request" Vibro-keyer. This was printed in red so looks to be the introduction of this key. Note they hyphenated it to indicate a Vibroplex model for electronic keyers. That's all there is to it folks, a matching up of terms for a new name of product. 73 ... Ed, WA9GQK
On Thursday, September 5, 2024 at 01:35:14 PM CDT, Dennis Ashworth, K7FL <dennis@...> wrote:
Powered up the HA1. All seems to function except it appears to be stuck in the key down position … sidetone continuous and contact on output mercury relay are closed. It’s as if HOLD was selected on the function switch, although it is not. The panel light shows increasing/decreasing pulses as the speed control is rotated (to be expected). It may be something simple, but I’m in the process of moving and just don’t have time to troubleshoot the device.?
So, I’ll let you guys and gals make the decision … $95 post paid con US, or if no takers, I’ll keep it on my “one of these days” project list.
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Dennis, K7FL
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Re: For Sale… HA1 keyer -update
Dennis Ashworth, K7FL
Powered up the HA1. All seems to function except it appears to be stuck in the key down position … sidetone continuous and contact on output mercury relay are closed. It’s as if HOLD was selected on the function switch, although it is not. The panel light shows increasing/decreasing pulses as the speed control is rotated (to be expected). It may be something simple, but I’m in the process of moving and just don’t have time to troubleshoot the device.?
So, I’ll let you guys and gals make the decision … $95 post paid con US, or if no takers, I’ll keep it on my “one of these days” project list.
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Re: TO Keyer help
开云体育OK – Be Happy - ? Mike B. Feher, N4FS 89 Arnold Blvd. Howell NJ 07731 908-902-3831 ? From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Robert Needleman via groups.io
Sent: Thursday, September 5, 2024 11:32 AM To: [email protected]; [email protected] Subject: Re: [HallicraftersRadios] TO Keyer help ? Not according to the manufacturer or the dealer selling the most popular semi-automatic bug - it is a KEY:: ? ? Vibroplex Original Bug Keys ORIGINAL-D._,_ |
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Re: TO Keyer help
Not according to the manufacturer or the dealer selling the most popular semi-automatic bug - it is a KEY::
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Vibroplex Original Bug Keys ORIGINAL-D????5 out of 5 stars? ?Part Number:?VIB-ORIGINAL-D 
Original Deluxe, Bug Semi-automatic Key, Chrome Base, Chrome Hardware, Red Paddle, Spring Tension, Each
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Re: TO Keyer help
开云体育Any device that puts morse code on a transmitter to convey intelligence is a keyer. Since a key keys, it is a keyer. That could even be broader for some digital modes and modulators. 73 – Mike ? Mike B. Feher, N4FS 89 Arnold Blvd. Howell NJ 07731 908-902-3831 ? From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Robert Needleman via groups.io
Sent: Thursday, September 5, 2024 12:18 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [HallicraftersRadios] TO Keyer help ? Nope - a bug is a semi-automatic K-E-Y? Not a keyer. The term "keyer" should be limited to the electronic device that electrically generates dits/dahs (and requires the use of a mechanical KEY -either single or dual lever paddle. . Everything else is a KEY. - straight, bug, paddle key, etc. .? ? Bob K3AC
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Re: TO Keyer help
Nope - a bug is a semi-automatic K-E-Y? Not a keyer. The term "keyer" should be limited to the electronic device that electrically generates dits/dahs (and requires the use of a mechanical KEY -either single or dual lever paddle. . Everything else is a KEY. - straight, bug, paddle key, etc. .?
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In a message dated 9/4/2024 11:25:57 PM Eastern Daylight Time, n4fs@... writes: ?
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Re: TO Keyer help
Well, it's pretty clear that Vibroplex is the guilty party here. For some reason, they had the "brilliant" (not ) idea of naming their version of a single lever paddle "Vibrokeyer". Obviously it is a mechanical? paddle and has nothing to do with being an electronic keyer in any way. All the other manufacturers of paddles (Bencher, Kent, Begali, etc)? call them just that - single or dual (iambic) level PADDLES. No mention of keyer in their product lines!? So if we just eliminate the confusion generated by Vibroplex, it's perfectly clear that a paddle is the mechanical device that must be connected to an (electronic) keyer in order to generate the dits and dahs.And that eliminates the confusion.??
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Bob K3AC
In a message dated 9/4/2024 10:50:26 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 1oldlens1@... writes: ?
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Re: TO Keyer help
开云体育Hi Rich – ? You are right, the word keyer alone does not define the instrument. I have over 500 telegraph keys in my collection, but slowly downsizing. However in the context of the HA-1 the keying mechanism could be called a paddle or a keyer. As you said, the HA-1 is also called a keyer as it forms the dits and the dahs as manipulated by the paddle. The HA-1 also has a 3 contact ? inch socket. A bug is also a keyer as it automatically creates the dots and manually the dahs. There are some complex bugs that automatically create both. I also have a very early typewriter that generates International code. It requires a motor to make it work. A real ingenious device with a full keyboard. I believe I have the only one remaining in existence. Regards – Mike ? Mike B. Feher, N4FS 89 Arnold Blvd. Howell NJ 07731 908-902-3831 ? From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Richard Knoppow
Sent: Wednesday, September 4, 2024 10:50 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [HallicraftersRadios] TO Keyer help ? I think there is confusion in the nomenclature. By keyer I think
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Re: TO Keyer help
I think there is confusion in the nomenclature. By keyer I think
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you mean what is sometimes called a paddle or paddle set. The thing that is used to operate the "keyer" meaning the thing that switches the contact to the transmitter. Calling both "keyer" I think creates confusion. This is not meant as a criticism of you, its very common. It also seems common to call a whole automatic sending machine a "keyer". So, I have a Hallicrafters HA-1 "keyer" and also a Vibroplex "Vibrokeyer", which is a set of paddles and contacts meant to work with a "keyer" meaning the electronics that generate dots and dashes like the HA-1. I really don't have a solution for this but think its worth some effort because of the confusion that is caused by the inexact naming. On 9/4/2024 5:58 PM, Mike Feher wrote: That is correct, Jeep. All keyers have three contacts. One common and -- Richard Knoppow Los Angeles WB6KBL SKCC 19998 |
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Re: TO Keyer help
开云体育That is correct, Jeep. All keyers have three contacts. One common and like you said one for dits and the other for dahs. 73 – Mike ? Mike B. Feher, N4FS 89 Arnold Blvd. Howell NJ 07731 908-902-3831 ? From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of D. Platt via groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, September 4, 2024 4:02 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [HallicraftersRadios] TO Keyer help ? Does not the TO require a 3 circuit "stereo" 1/4" plug. One side dit, other side dah? K3HVG
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Re: TO Keyer help
And as others have mentioned, this is NOT an iambic keyer.
It works best with a single-arm paddle. A Vibroplex Vibrokeyer is a period appropriate paddle to use with your HA-1. Lots of those all over eBuy. That's what I use with my HA-1. While pluggin in iambic paddles won't break anything, when you squeeze both paddles, the results can be interesting :-) And will likely require cycling the power to recover from. For a bit of fun, look at the schematic and see if you can come up with an equivalent logic circuit made up from TTL logic ICs. You will discover you can make wonderfully elegant logic circuits using a single tube. --lyndon |
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Re: TO Keyer help
Bill Carpenter writes:
The input from the paddle I know but the manual isn't real specific on the =The keyer switches a mercury wetted relay which has its NO contacts connected to pins 1 (ground) and 2 on the octal plug. Depending on your radio's keying voltage and current, you might need to apply some bypassing to those terminals. All is described in the manual. If you don't have a copy: --lyndon |
