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Locked Re: HT-37 transformer failure due to rapid STBY-->OFF-->STBY
As far as I know, the inrush current problem was due to the limitations of vacuum tube rectifiers then in use.? Filter capacitors just do not care about the initial charging current.? At the instant of turn ON, the uncharged capacitor is modeled as a short circuit.? The only thing that limits this initial current flow is the copper resistance of the primary and secondary transformer windings and any intentional series resistance in the rectifier circuit.?? There is also the inductive reactance of the power transformer and of any filter inductors that want to keep the present current flow constant.? At turn ON, there is no current so the magnetic field rapidly builds up and creates a counter EMF to oppose the current change.? At turn OFF, that magnetic field then collapses and generates as high a voltage as is needed to keep the current flow constant.? This results in the high voltage arcing that one notices when a mechanical switch opens. Those that are really curious about what is happening in power supplies would benefit from the Radiotron Designers Handbook, 4th Edition.? It contains a wealth of information on this and other topics and will demystify the process.? A searchable PDF document can be found at the World Radio History site. Regards, Jim Logic: Method used to arrive at the wrong conclusion, with confidence.? Murphy
On Thursday, July 4, 2024 at 03:16:04 PM CDT, Scott Petersen <s-petersen@...> wrote:
I wonder if a MOV could be somehow used to soften the inrush, if not one perhaps 2 in some kind of toggle arrangement.
From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of don Root <drootofallevil@...>
Sent: Thursday, July 4, 2024 2:56 PM To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [HallicraftersRadios] HT-37 transformer failure due to rapid STBY-->OFF-->STBY ?
Halden, your investigation is interesting and detailed. IMO, the DC [resistance only case, ignoring all inductances] is the extreme limit which won¡¯t be reached. Inductance does not go away, especially in the wiring; and it is still there in the transformer, albeit quite reduced IF it reaches saturation. ?Core steel used in 60 Hz ¡°power ¡± transformers is chosen to have soft magnetic steel, a low magnetic remnance, and a B-H curve with low hysteresis, so a fair bit of inductance remains, even IF the transformer is driven into saturation; like it most likely is when energizing at zero voltage crossovers. ?But there are some more recent high temperature cheapie transformers that have less steel, drive the flux into saturation, get hot with no load and tend to blow normal fuses when turns on, so old ¡°typical¡± maximum inrush currents are not cast in stone any more. ? I don¡¯t see how the stuff about ¡°already be in positive saturation¡± that has be floating around ?has anything to do with any realistic enegization or re enegization of? a realistic power transformer, as the steel has little remnance. ? Yes it seems that the?? ?¡°STBY-->OFF-->STBY¡± failure mode has been overtaken by the SSR stuff, yet what caused circuit condition causes the failure has not been refined. Is ihr failure triggered when closing the power switch contacts, or opening them. Seems to me the old Halli warning was related to opening the switch, not closing! How much voltage spiking and or arcing takes place in the switch when it is opened under load as opposed to under standby? In the event that this is the problem, the solution might be to open the switch only near zero current--- so ¡¡.. ?don ? From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]
On Behalf Of HF via groups.io ? Thanks, all, for the comments and lessons!?
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