Re: E4402B SA power problem - need DC socket connections
Hello Jeremy,
The 12VDC cable kit has the part number E4401-60066. Sometimes they
appear for sale on eBay. I don't know the polarity of the pins but you
can check with a multimeter which pin is the Ground pin and the other
one will be the +12VDC. Maybe the Ground pin is not the same as the
chassis ground but you can try, otherwise you will need to open the case
and check the PSU PCB to see which one is the Ground.
The Snaphat battery will not create such issues that you experience with
your SA.
As for schematics they are available at Artek but the PSU is not
included in that CLIP.
Regards,
Razvan
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On 22/03/2025 18:46, Jeremy Owen via groups.io wrote: I have an E4402B spectrum analyser with an odd power fault.? The SA
powers down after about 10 minutes, but works fine up until then.
(It has been working well in the past but has been unused for a year or two.
I want to try powering it from 12V DC to see if that makes any difference.
Does anyone know the polarity of the two-pin connector on the rear?
And I assume that no-one has rea;l schematics for this unit.? I can't
find them anywhere.
The service manual has just block-level detail.
And could a failing Snaphat battery on the CPU board have any effect on
powering up and down?? It's 7 years old according to the sticker.
any help gratefully received!
-Jeremy
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Re: OPT 003 (48-440 Hz compatible) fan (full size "Muffin" type fan) - replacement requirements?
Fans here, turns out on closer inspection the 8673D uses 92mm in the upper section, not 120mm - oops - so regrouping on that front (the 8660 series appear to be 120mm fans.)
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Re: Cleaning N-tyoe cal kit
Been using 99% isopropyl (IPA, not from the local brew pub).
A 3.5mm Maury sliding load/termination had enough of that same foam residue that it would not slide across it's range. The supplies below (aerosol IPA and foam-tip swabs, along with a very fine tipped tweezers to pluck out anything that could be plucked) together all got the sliding load back to normal motion.
MG Chemicals 824-450G as an aerosol (not push-pump) packaging I've found is really handy for detail electronics cleaning (just IPA, but in a propellant spray can.)
Foam-tip swabs (like those used for cleaning fiber-optic connectors during field installation, cheap by the pack of 100) with either rounded (2.5mm) or pointy (1.25mm) tips are also helpful to reach in around the male pin and internal shielding. The female pin end I think only can be cleaned by IPA, that's where delivering via spray is handy.
Dave
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Re: Cleaning N-tyoe cal kit
Its horrible stuff isn't it.
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I've actually got some Electrolube Contact Cleaning Strips which I bought for cleaning relay contacts. And with a bit of patience and some IPA they seem to be doing the job. They are possibly slightly abrasive, so I'm not going to go too mad with them.??
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E4402B SA power problem - need DC socket connections
I have an E4402B spectrum analyser with an odd power fault.? The SA powers down after about 10 minutes, but works fine up until then.
(It has been working well in the past but has been unused for a year or two.
I want to try powering it from 12V DC to see if that makes any difference.
Does anyone know the polarity of the two-pin connector on the rear?
And I assume that no-one has rea;l schematics for this unit.? I can't find them anywhere.
The service manual has just block-level detail.
And could a failing Snaphat battery on the CPU board have any effect on powering up and down?? It's 7 years old according to the sticker.
any help gratefully received!
-Jeremy
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Re: HP 3403C True RMS Voltmeter display fault
Are you testing them at their rated voltage?
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Re: Cleaning N-tyoe cal kit
Hello,
I have the same issue with my calibration kits, the foam got very sticky
and the majority of the connectors are affected. Some had a dust cap and
only the exterior was affected and it cleaned nicely with IPA.
I was also thinking to put them in the small ultrasonic cleaner that I
have but from what I saw the labels will probably wear off. Some text on
the labels is already not visible when I cleaned the outside with IPA 99%.
Regards,
Razvan
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On 22/03/2025 14:57, vee-dub565 via groups.io wrote: Possibly, although I'd be concerned about immersing it in the cleaning
solution.
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Re: Cleaning N-tyoe cal kit
Possibly, although I'd be concerned about immersing it in the cleaning solution.?
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Re: Cleaning N-tyoe cal kit
Ultrasonic bath with a suitable cleaner?
Enviado do meu Tele-Movel.
Desculpe a brevidade. Em sáb., 22 de mar. de 2025 06:52, vee-dub565 via <Vee-dub565= [email protected]> escreveu:
Not strictly Agilent/HP, but I recently bought a 2nd hand N-Type cal kit for the 3 HP VNA's I have.?
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I did originally want a new kit from Kirkby Microwave, but after 3 or 4 emails over the course of a few weeks with no response I gave up.?
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So I have this 2nd kit, the pin depth checks out ok on it. Problem is the foam has deteriorated in the case, and some of it has got into the connectors. I've tried IPA with a swab and got the worst of it out, but some stubbornly remains. Any suggestions to dissolve the black sticky residue? Or otherwise clean these connectors.
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Problem number 2 is creating a definitions file for the 8519C, 8753C? and 8571A although 85054A?
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Not strictly Agilent/HP, but I recently bought a 2nd hand N-Type cal kit for the 3 HP VNA's I have.?
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I did originally want a new kit from Kirkby Microwave, but after 3 or 4 emails over the course of a few weeks with no response I gave up.?
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So I have this 2nd kit, the pin depth checks out ok on it. Problem is the foam has deteriorated in the case, and some of it has got into the connectors. I've tried IPA with a swab and got the worst of it out, but some stubbornly remains. Any suggestions to dissolve the black sticky residue? Or otherwise clean these connectors.
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Problem number 2 is creating a definitions file for the 8519C, 8753C? and 8571A although 85054A?
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Re: display tilt adjustment hp8591a
Hi Wilko,
You are right, CRT screens are sensitive to the environment; steel, magnetic
field of other devices if they are nearby, gravity...but I found the cause.
When I noticed the display problem, I was working on the RF sections and was
concentrating on them.
I think I wasn't paying enough attention.
What I thought was a tilt reversal was perhaps the orientation of the
spectrum, as I regularly changed the instrument's orientation for testing.
Why I say this is that I disassembled everything and placed the display on
the table.
The deflection coils were very stable and glued; they couldn't move.
So, I think I made an observation error regarding the tilt reversal.
I took the measurement with a ruler, and the display was straight.
The metal casing covering this section had been removed before this
measurement, and I demagnetized it, along with all the circuits, before
reassembling.
But when I disassembled it, I noticed that this section had already been
disassembled and unfortunately reassembled incorrectly, and the case
covering the CRT was misaligned, as was the outer frame for the display,
which wasn't properly seated.
I corrected everything, and now my screen is straight.
The positioning of the metal case and the outer frame caused the tilt.
The metal case containing the display was screwed tightly on the left side,
but barely on the right side.
Therefore, the right side was slightly raised above the aluminum frame,
causing the tilt.
Yves
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-----Message d'origine----- De?: [email protected]< [email protected]> De la part de Wilko Bulte via groups.io 贰苍惫辞测é?: 22 mars 2025 03:39 ??: [email protected]Objet?: Re: [HP-Agilent-Keysight-equipment] display tilt adjustment hp8591a You do not per chance have a steel workbench or similar? As I have found out the hard way ages ago (i.e. during my education) such an environment can affect tube trace alignment. Rotating the monitor on the desk made the picture change. Had me puzzled for quite a while, even more so because in my case it was a colour CRT. Wilko
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Re: display tilt adjustment hp8591a
You do not per chance have a steel workbench or similar? As I have found out the hard way ages ago (i.e. during my education) such an environment can affect tube trace alignment.
Rotating the monitor on the desk made the picture change. Had me puzzled for quite a while, even more so because in my case it was a colour CRT.
Wilko
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Re: Retrofitting 3.5mm connector from HP 8485A sensor onto an existing HP 8481A sensor - possible?
On Thu, Mar 20, 2025 at 11:50 PM, Sven Schnelle wrote:
But exactly as you said, the
levels where low by at least 3dB above 19GHz.
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I can see that... as N-connectors...say, precision ones... they might go to 25 or 26 GHz...but N connectors are usually to 18 GHz, where... AFAIK...TE11 can start happening.
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The 85025A... with an N connector... is spec t to about 18 GHz... if I recall correctly.
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For frequencies beyond 18 GHz, 3.5 mm, 2.92 mm (K), or SMA connectors are preferred...AFAIK.
I've never tried an 805025A past 20 GHz; but I'm surprised the N connector maintains TEM... and if it goes to TE11... then 'works to 40 GHz" doesn't make sense to me.
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Re: display tilt adjustment hp8591a
Pat, ? I had thought about that too, but when I received it, the curve was reversed on the other side with an even larger angle. Then after a power cycle, the screen looked like what the image shows and nothing has moved since…but I had moved the instrument. I tried to shake the instrument a little, but nothing moves, I had thought then of a possible intermittent adjustment. But you are probably right, I will have no choice but to remove everything and try to find a way to make the adjustment when the device is powered on. ? Thank you for replying. Yves ? ? Yves -? I suspect that's likely a magnetically deflected display, like a television, and has a deflection yoke on the CRT neck that's somehow managed to get rotated slightly. -Pat
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Re: display tilt adjustment hp8591a
Yves -? I suspect that's likely a magnetically deflected display, like a television, and has a deflection yoke on the CRT neck that's somehow managed to get rotated slightly. -Pat
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> Subject: [HP-Agilent-Keysight-equipment] display tilt adjustment hp8591a
? Hi, ? I repaired an 8591A for a friend, but the display on his screen isn't perfectly straight. I'm guessing there's an adjustment for that, but where is that adjustment? There are adjustments on the top for intensity, frequency, green gain, and horz. Coarse focus on the back, and focus on the side. I haven't attempted to remove the display yet. ? Yves 
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display tilt adjustment hp8591a
Hi, ? I repaired an 8591A for a friend, but the display on his screen isn't perfectly straight. I'm guessing there's an adjustment for that, but where is that adjustment? There are adjustments on the top for intensity, frequency, green gain, and horz. Coarse focus on the back, and focus on the side. I haven't attempted to remove the display yet. ? Yves 
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Re: 33210A load waveform over Ethernet
Glad I could help you. ? Yves ? Thank you so much!? This is exactly what I need! Peter
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Re: 33210A load waveform over Ethernet
Thank you so much!? This is exactly what I need!
Peter
On 3/21/2025 1:52 PM, Yves Tardif via
groups.io wrote:
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Hi Peter,
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I don’t have 33210A,
but it’s same thing with an 33220A.
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I used the free
Agilent IntuiLink Waveform Editor software.
In the File
Properties menu, I chose the number of points; here it was
10,000.
I added some basic
shapes to get 10,000 points.
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I sent everything to
volatile memory for testing (you can choose volatile or
non-volatile). The frequency was 1 kHz and 1 Vpp.
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The generator's mode
is ARB, with BURST mode enabled; choose 1 cycle only.
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Trigger setup: set it
to manual mode.
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You can trigger
manually by pressing the TRIG button, or send the GPIB
command *TRG
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Yves
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贰苍惫辞测é?: 21 mars 2025 09:02
??: [email protected]
Objet?: [HP-Agilent-Keysight-equipment] 33210A load waveform
over Ethernet
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Just wondering if anyone has experience
loading a one-shot retriggerable waveform over Ethernet into a
33210A arbitrary waveform generator.
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I'd love to hear the Reader's Digest
version of how I can do this.
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I need 10k points at a rate of 1 or 10
kHz.
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Peter
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Re: OPT 003 (48-440 Hz compatible) fan (full size "Muffin" type fan) - replacement requirements?
Have both 8660B and 8660C; I was aware of the thermal issues with the 8660B (I believe it was in the pre-LSTTL era as I understand). It lives in a basement (lowest floor) workshop and fortunately is not on for long periods of time nor subject to ambient above about 70F.
The 8660B accepts regular 60 Hz fan and I ordered a couple of "high speed dual ball bearing 120x38mm 120VAC" fans so that when these things are next on the workbench I'll have spare ready.
As for the 8673D/003, I wasn't aware of the specifics of 400 Hz capable fan; most likely I'll see if I can add supply wires back to the switched 120VAC side of primary transformer (or however the 8673D normally gets power for it's upper assembly cooling fan, which should be revealed by the service manual (which is in competition for the heaviest service manual I've ever seen.)
Thanks again, much appreciate the comments!
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Re: Retrofitting 3.5mm connector from HP 8485A sensor onto an existing HP 8481A sensor - possible?
After doing some testing yesterday, I discovered that the 8481A that was to be the recipient of the dead 8485A's connector etc. assembly was itself dead (8481A won't zero and responds about 20 dB down incident signal, so dynamic range is something like 20 dB, not 50 dB.) I don't immediately recall the 8481A's history, however, I thought I had stored it away in working condition (and I'm the only person that would have access to it.) Given that unexpected result, and the current-era prices for used 8481A, my project idea won't be able proceed. So all that said, I'm going to keep eye out for 8485A (basically as a reference against which to calibrate 8673D synthesized signal generator.)
Thanks again for the contributions to the question, it is very much helpful.
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Alexandre Souza
Cubdriver