On Sat, Jul 4, 2020 at 11:47 AM, Doug Wegscheid wrote:

maketape should work. Try it.

Adding more region to a HASP initiator may help, but then we would need to figger out how to do that there thing.

Where did you find an old copy of the SPICE source code?

Bill

Hello!
I can answer that one, try the ones at I
find that site, and those stores to be in most regards, perfect.
Although I am leaning towards the two I use here in New York. Although
the Pi3 I have here and sometimes use was delivered as part of some
sort of participation via Element14.
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On Sat, Jul 4, 2020 at 3:24 PM ScottC via groups.io
<sccosel@...> wrote:

Hi Ed,

Can you share with us the link you found with clear instructions? I am reluctant to buy a Pi until I know there are reliable instructions to follow!

Also, what is the "best" website to order a Pi 4 or latest model?

Thanks,
ScottC
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Hi Ed,

Can you share with us the link you found with clear instructions?? I am reluctant to buy a Pi until I know there are reliable instructions to follow!

Also, what is the "best" website to order a Pi 4 or latest model?

Thanks,
ScottC?

On Sat, Jul 4, 2020 at 11:02 AM, Don.isenstadt wrote:

Works well on a pi zero too!

"well" is relative. Doing a sysgen from scratch on a zero was a multiday process that never completed; I finally did the gen on an Intel system, and moved my DASD over to the PI. It was ok.

As I recall, getting the SMP volumes prepared was the really slow part; it's possible that once you had a starter volume and the SMP volume with everything ACCEPTED, doing a sysgen on a Zero would be possible...

On Sat, Jul 4, 2020 at 11:47 AM, Doug Wegscheid wrote:

Adding more region to a HASP initiator may help, but then we would need to figger out how to do that there thing.

Ignore that. looks like the fortran compiler is dying first, which is taking out the initiator. I seem to recall trouble with losing initiators when whatever they were running abended.

listen to Vince and Joe.

Allocate more region and memory - a lot more :)
See job and exec cards.

maketape should work. Try it.

Adding more region to a HASP initiator may help, but then we would need to figger out how to do that there thing.

Where did you find an old copy of the SPICE source code?

I created an OS/360 MVT using Jay Maynard's instructions at
It worked, and will run simple assembler and FORTRAN jobs.

Then I tried to run a 20,000 line FORTRAN program through it.? And quickly got stuck.

It appears that card deck is too large and the HASP initiator runs out of memory.
All the same JCL works fine with a smaller FORTRAN source.

$10.03.02 JOB??? 1 ON READER1? -- SPICE2??? SPICE2
$10.03.02 JOB??? 1 -- SPICE2?? -- BEGINNING EXEC - INIT 1 - CLASS A
?10.03.02 JOB??? 1 IEF236I ALLOC. FOR SPICE2?? ASM????? ASMX
?10.03.02 JOB??? 1 IEF237I 721?? ALLOCATED TO SYSPRINT
?10.03.02 JOB??? 1 IEF237I 701?? ALLOCATED TO SYSIN
?10.03.02 JOB??? 1 IEF236I ALLOC. FOR SPICE2?? FORT
?10.03.02 JOB??? 1 IEF237I 721?? ALLOCATED TO SYSPRINT
?10.03.02 JOB??? 1 IEF237I 770?? ALLOCATED TO SYSPUNCH
?10.03.02 JOB??? 1 IEF237I 701?? ALLOCATED TO SYSIN
?10.03.02 JOB??? 1 IEA700I 804-1 SPICE2?? FORT???? 00 FB004A08 00000800
?10.03.02 JOB??? 1 IEF450I SPICE2? .FORT??? .???????? ABEND S804?????? TIME=10.03.02
?10.03.02 JOB??? 1 IEA702I 80A-1 HOSINITA SPICE2?? 00 FC000500 000004C8
?10.03.02 IEF450I INIT??? .HOSINITA.???????? ABEND S80A?????? TIME=10.03.02

So my question...? How do I get that 20,000 card deck into the system?
Is Jay Moseley's MAKETAPE program a reasonable approach?

Thanks,
Bill

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Works well on a pi zero too!

I did not believe that Hercules and TK4- would work well on a Raspberry Pi 4.? Being a RP4 rookie, I found a website that gave easy direction to downloaded and install Hercules and TK4-.? Sure enough - it worked.? It seemed to me to be as responsive as on my desktop winblows 10 box.? My first challenge is to change the sign on panel to read "My Raspberry Pi Thinks Its a Mainframe".

Hello Drew,

Am 27.06.2020 um 20:59 schrieb Drew Derbyshire <swhobbit@...>:

"No, no, NO! This is UNIX, you take the vowels out."

Removing vowels sounds much more like OS/400. :-) cat, grep, awk, ifconfig, route, most "traditional" tools have vowels.

:wq! PoC

PGP-Key: DDD3 4ABF 6413 38DE -

Drew,

There is a file in the archived files section of this group "jrpupdte.zip".
It's contents are dated 26/10/13.

This "might" be the update by Jurgen mentioned in the TK4- manual

Chris
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On Mon, 29 Jun 2020 18:22:51 -0700
"Drew Derbyshire" <swhobbit@...> wrote:

On 6/29/20 8:45 AM, Kevin Monceaux wrote:

On Mon, Jun 29, 2020 at 09:57:46AM -0500, Kevin Monceaux wrote:
>> I have JRP working, or at least had it working, but it's been so long since

I IPL'd the system I have it working on, I can't remember the details. I'll
IPL it and see if I can remember how to print via JPR.

It looks like it still works:

After:

* RTFM
* Browsing the source under SYS2 to find the local user id/password
for login
* Editing configuration of JRP:
o Delete bogus form
o Normalize class to A
o Correct device accessed to what my system (TK3UPD) has defined

It worked.

I then determined you don't need a remote destination per se, setting a local dest alias (for example MORDOR = U1) works. Divorcing it from real names that could be a real destination is useful.

I also determined it works for punch queues.

Thanks for your help.? You gave me several important pieces, and perhaps most important of all, confidence that I wasn't tilting at windmills.

-ahd-

-- Drew Derbyshire

"Get a haircut and get a real job
Clean your act up and don't be a slob
Get it together like your brother Bob
Get a haircut and get a REAL job!" -- "Get a Haircut", Avery and Birch

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On Mon, Jun 29, 2020 at 09:57:46AM -0500, Kevin Monceaux wrote:
 

I have JRP working, or at least had it working, but it's been so long since
I IPL'd the system I have it working on, I can't remember the details.  I'll
IPL it and see if I can remember how to print via JPR.

It looks like it still works:

After:

• RTFM
• Browsing the source under SYS2 to find the local user id/password for login
• Editing configuration of JRP:
• Delete bogus form
• Normalize class to A
• Correct device accessed to what my system (TK3UPD) has defined

It worked.

I then determined you don't need a remote destination per se, setting a local dest alias (for example MORDOR = U1) works.? Divorcing it from real names that could be a real destination is useful.?

I also determined it works for punch queues.

Thanks for your help.? You gave me several important pieces, and perhaps most important of all, confidence that I wasn't tilting at windmills.

-ahd-

-- 
Drew Derbyshire

"Get a haircut and get a real job
 Clean your act up and don't be a slob
 Get it together like your brother Bob
 Get a haircut and get a REAL job!"     -- "Get a Haircut", Avery and Birch

There isn't much love for VTAM these days ... even IBM is talking of VTAM over IP now a days.

Khalid

PS: Not that I know much about it either, other than it makes TSO and CICS work and both are important for my work.

Drew,

On Mon, Jun 29, 2020 at 10:34:39AM -0700, Drew Derbyshire wrote:

How did you logon to the app?? My attempt wanted to dump me into TSO.

It's accessible on my system by entering JRP at the NetSol sign-on screen.
The system I have JRP on is an old Turnkey3 system. It took me a bit to
find where that functionality was added. On my system, it appears to be in
SYS1.VTAMSRC(BSPLIN01), which contains:

**
* *
* NAME: BSPLIN01 *
* *
* TYPE: ASSEMBLER SOURCE *
* *
* DESC: VTAM LOGON INTERPRET TABLE *
* *
**
BSPLIN01 INTAB
LOGCHAR APPLID=(APPLICID,TSO),SEQNCE='Tso'
LOGCHAR APPLID=(APPLICID,TSO),SEQNCE='tso'
LOGCHAR APPLID=(APPLICID,TSO),SEQNCE='TSO'
LOGCHAR APPLID=(APPLICID,CJRP),SEQNCE='Jrp'
LOGCHAR APPLID=(APPLICID,CJRP),SEQNCE='jrp'
LOGCHAR APPLID=(APPLICID,CJRP),SEQNCE='JRP'
LOGCHAR APPLID=(APPLICID,TSO),SEQNCE='Logon'
LOGCHAR APPLID=(APPLICID,TSO),SEQNCE='logon'
LOGCHAR APPLID=(APPLICID,TSO),SEQNCE='LOGON'
LOGCHAR APPLID=(APPLICID,TSO),SEQNCE='IBMUSER'



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Kevin



Bruceville, TX

What's the definition of a legacy system? One that works!
Errare humanum est, ignoscere caninum.

On 6/29/20 8:45 AM, Kevin Monceaux wrote:

On Mon, Jun 29, 2020 at 09:57:46AM -0500, Kevin Monceaux wrote:

I have JRP working, or at least had it working, but it's been so long since
I IPL'd the system I have it working on, I can't remember the details. I'll
IPL it and see if I can remember how to print via JPR.

It looks like it still works:

10.32.01 STC 1252 JRPI400 IEBGENER JOB01161 BEGINNING ON RMT01(CUU0C8)

I have JRP printers set up at 0C8 and 0C9. After starting JRP, a D U,,,0C8,2
shows their status as A, and D NET,ID=CUU0C8 and ID=CUU0C9 shows their status
as ACT. After logging on to the JRP VTAM interface, a $DU there shows:

JRPI101 RMT01 LU=CUU0C8 INACTIVE ,F= ,R=LOCAL ,S=Y
LPP=055,MLIN=9999,C=S ,SCS=N,LGMD= ,RCD=00 ,FB2=00 ,SENSE=00000000

JRPI101 RMT02 LU=CUU0C9 INACTIVE ,F= ,R=LOCAL ,S=Y
LPP=056,MLIN=9999,C=P ,SCS=N,LGMD= ,RCD=00 ,FB2=00 ,SENSE=00000000

In my VTAM definitions I have:

ATCCON00:

*
* STARTLIST B S P M V S *
*
APPLTSO, /* TSO Application major node */X
LCLMAJ00, /* LOCAL Non-SNA major node */X
APPLJRP, /* JRP Application major node */X
LCLMAJPR /* Remote Printer major node */

APPLJRP:

JRP APPL AUTH=ACQ
CJRP APPL AUTH=PASS

LCLMAJPR:

LCLMAJPR LBUILD SUBAREA=3
CUU0C8 LOCAL TERM=3284,CUADDR=0C8,ISTATUS=ACTIVE, +
LOGTAB=BSPLIN01
CUU0C9 LOCAL TERM=3284,CUADDR=0C9,ISTATUS=ACTIVE, +
LOGTAB=BSPLIN01

How did you logon to the app?? My attempt wanted to dump me into TSO.

--
Drew Derbyshire

"We've heard that a million monkeys at a million keyboards could produce
the Complete Works of Shakespeare; now, thanks to the Internet, we know
this is not true." -- Robert Wilensky, University of California

On 6/29/20 7:57 AM, Kevin Monceaux wrote:

p.s.? I have many IBM mainframe talents, but VTAM isn't one of them ...

I'm also among the VTAM impaired.

I prefer to think of it as VTAM free.? :-)

--
Drew Derbyshire

"I'm the best there is at what I do, but what I do isn't very nice."
-- Wolverine

On Mon, Jun 29, 2020 at 09:57:46AM -0500, Kevin Monceaux wrote:

I have JRP working, or at least had it working, but it's been so long since
I IPL'd the system I have it working on, I can't remember the details. I'll
IPL it and see if I can remember how to print via JPR.

It looks like it still works:

10.32.01 STC 1252 JRPI400 IEBGENER JOB01161 BEGINNING ON RMT01(CUU0C8)

I have JRP printers set up at 0C8 and 0C9. After starting JRP, a D U,,,0C8,2
shows their status as A, and D NET,ID=CUU0C8 and ID=CUU0C9 shows their status
as ACT. After logging on to the JRP VTAM interface, a $DU there shows:

JRPI101 RMT01 LU=CUU0C8 INACTIVE ,F= ,R=LOCAL ,S=Y
LPP=055,MLIN=9999,C=S ,SCS=N,LGMD= ,RCD=00 ,FB2=00 ,SENSE=00000000

JRPI101 RMT02 LU=CUU0C9 INACTIVE ,F= ,R=LOCAL ,S=Y
LPP=056,MLIN=9999,C=P ,SCS=N,LGMD= ,RCD=00 ,FB2=00 ,SENSE=00000000

In my VTAM definitions I have:

ATCCON00:

*
* STARTLIST B S P M V S *
*
APPLTSO, /* TSO Application major node */X
LCLMAJ00, /* LOCAL Non-SNA major node */X
APPLJRP, /* JRP Application major node */X
LCLMAJPR /* Remote Printer major node */

APPLJRP:

JRP APPL AUTH=ACQ
CJRP APPL AUTH=PASS

LCLMAJPR:

LCLMAJPR LBUILD SUBAREA=3
CUU0C8 LOCAL TERM=3284,CUADDR=0C8,ISTATUS=ACTIVE, +
LOGTAB=BSPLIN01
CUU0C9 LOCAL TERM=3284,CUADDR=0C9,ISTATUS=ACTIVE, +
LOGTAB=BSPLIN01




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Kevin



Bruceville, TX

What's the definition of a legacy system? One that works!
Errare humanum est, ignoscere caninum.

Drew,

On Sat, Jun 27, 2020 at 06:27:16PM -0700, Drew Derbyshire wrote:

Anyone actually have JRP printing files?? I've got the class (A) and
routing (RMT1) matching, and I changed the printer devices in the JRP
configuration from LCLC0x to CUUC0x (to match VTAM says the devices are).

The printer does NOT appear bound to VTAM (which I suppose depends on
when it connects to it). I'm running out of ideas.

Suggestions?

I have JRP working, or at least had it working, but it's been so long since
I IPL'd the system I have it working on, I can't remember the details. I'll
IPL it and see if I can remember how to print via JPR.

p.s.? I have many IBM mainframe talents, but VTAM isn't one of them ...

I'm also among the VTAM impaired.



--

Kevin



Bruceville, TX

What's the definition of a legacy system? One that works!
Errare humanum est, ignoscere caninum.