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Re: MOTD. (Message of the day)

 

Got the file no problem, thank you Jay. I will work on this after dinner.

?On 6/26/20, 4:49 PM, "[email protected] on behalf of Jay Moseley" <[email protected] on behalf of JayMoseley@...> wrote:

Dave,

I uploaded an archive that Volker sent me in 2003 that contains a lot of
material that went into Turnkey 3. There is an AWS tape image with a
reload jobstream to lay it down. You will find a MACLIB in there that
you will also need, along with the job to assemble the fortune cookie
program and the fortunes.

The archive is bsp38j.zip in the files area.

Jay




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Re: MOTD. (Message of the day)

 

Dave,

I uploaded an archive that Volker sent me in 2003 that contains a lot of material that went into Turnkey 3. There is an AWS tape image with a reload jobstream to lay it down. You will find a MACLIB in there that you will also need, along with the job to assemble the fortune cookie program and the fortunes.

The archive is bsp38j.zip in the files area.

Jay


Re: MOTD. (Message of the day)

 

Hey that would be perfect. Thank you for the offer.

Dave

?On 6/26/20, 4:41 PM, "[email protected] on behalf of Jay Moseley" <[email protected] on behalf of JayMoseley@...> wrote:

On 6/26/20 3:34 PM, Dave Trainor wrote:
> So now at the risk of sounding like I am whining¡­¡­.
>
> I have the JCL to install FCOOK$
>
> //SYSUT1 DD DISP=SHR,DSN=SYS1.SETUP.CNTL(FCOOK$)
>

Dave,

I can send you whatever pieces you need. Do you need the assembler
source and jcl both?

Jay




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Re: MOTD. (Message of the day)

 

On 6/26/20 3:34 PM, Dave Trainor wrote:
So now at the risk of sounding like I am whining¡­¡­.
I have the JCL to install FCOOK$
??????????????? //SYSUT1?? DD? DISP=SHR,DSN=SYS1.SETUP.CNTL(FCOOK$)
Dave,

I can send you whatever pieces you need. Do you need the assembler source and jcl both?

Jay


Re: MOTD. (Message of the day)

 

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So now at the risk of sounding like I am whining¡­¡­.????

I have the JCL to install FCOOK$

??????????????? //SYSUT1?? DD? DISP=SHR,DSN=SYS1.SETUP.CNTL(FCOOK$)

From Volkers mvs0090

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Can¡¯t figure out how to download SYS1.SETUP.CNTL(FCOOK$)? other than to grab a copy of his whole TK3 CD, which I did,? guess I need to actually install it to be able to access the DASD files as there is no indication where this is and assuming this is a setup JCL file what other files are necessary.? So that I can extract them to apply to my MVS 3.8j.

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Dave

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From: <[email protected]> on behalf of Doug Wegscheid <dwegscheid@...>
Reply-To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>

ate: Friday, June 26, 2020 at 3:38 PM
To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [H390-MVS] MOTD. (Message of the day)

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http://www.bsp-gmbh.com/turnkey/cookbook/bspfcook.html

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On Fri, Jun 26, 2020 at 3:32 PM, Dave Trainor

<dave@...> wrote:

Yes I agree, as rexx would not have been around circa 1978 at the university.??? The ¡°fortune cookie¡± thing that Volker has is more or less exactly what I am asking about.? I built my system from scratch (if you can it that) following Jay Mosley¡¯s excellent instructions and learned quite a bit in doing so rather than booting a pre made system.? But am a novice without a doubt.

So a CLIST sounds like the ticket, is the ¡°fortune cookie¡± code available? Or something similar?? Most of the time in the Unix world I lived in so many years, I found scripts that sorta did what I wanted and then modified them rather that start with a clean sheet of coding paper.? Teaches a lot about others logic doing that too.

?

Thanks,

Dave

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From: <[email protected]> on behalf of Joe Monk <joemonk64@...>
Reply-To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
Date: Friday, June 26, 2020 at 7:34 AM
To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [H390-MVS] MOTD. (Message of the day)

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This wouldve?been a CLIST executed as part of your logon PROC.

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Joe

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On Fri, Jun 26, 2020 at 12:00 AM Dave Trainor <dave@...> wrote:

Is anyone aware of a utility for a MOTD (Message of the day) utility for MVS??? I seem to remember back 40yr ago we always got a humorous message as I am guessing a broadcast message when we logged on, sometimes it was informative like ¡®the system will be unavailable from 18:00 to 20:00¡¯ or other times it just was funny.

Was this just the operators manually creating a MOTD (obviously the maint schedule would be), or is there a utility to generate a automatic message??? I could not find anything in searching CBT or Google, other than ones for old Unix versions or Windows.?

?

Thanks,
Dave


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Re: MOTD. (Message of the day)

 

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Dave,

Our old Honeywell System had a FORTRAN (or could have been ¡°B¡± but I think it was pre B) program that did this. I wonder where I put the message file. I used to have a copy somewhere¡­

¡­ it had some gems¡­ any UK readers may (or may not) agree with¡­.? .. e.g.

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¡°A pleasant view of Swindon , as seen through your rearview mirror¡±

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Or that great line from Betjeman,

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¡°come friendly bomb and fall on Slough¡±

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Dave

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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Dave Trainor
Sent: 26 June 2020 20:32
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [H390-MVS] MOTD. (Message of the day)

?

Yes I agree, as rexx would not have been around circa 1978 at the university.??? The ¡°fortune cookie¡± thing that Volker has is more or less exactly what I am asking about.? I built my system from scratch (if you can it that) following Jay Mosley¡¯s excellent instructions and learned quite a bit in doing so rather than booting a pre made system.? But am a novice without a doubt.

So a CLIST sounds like the ticket, is the ¡°fortune cookie¡± code available? Or something similar?? Most of the time in the Unix world I lived in so many years, I found scripts that sorta did what I wanted and then modified them rather that start with a clean sheet of coding paper.? Teaches a lot about others logic doing that too.

?

Thanks,

Dave

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From: <[email protected]> on behalf of Joe Monk <joemonk64@...>
Reply-To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
Date: Friday, June 26, 2020 at 7:34 AM
To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [H390-MVS] MOTD. (Message of the day)

?

This wouldve?been a CLIST executed as part of your logon PROC.

?

Joe

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On Fri, Jun 26, 2020 at 12:00 AM Dave Trainor <dave@...> wrote:

Is anyone aware of a utility for a MOTD (Message of the day) utility for MVS??? I seem to remember back 40yr ago we always got a humorous message as I am guessing a broadcast message when we logged on, sometimes it was informative like ¡®the system will be unavailable from 18:00 to 20:00¡¯ or other times it just was funny.

Was this just the operators manually creating a MOTD (obviously the maint schedule would be), or is there a utility to generate a automatic message??? I could not find anything in searching CBT or Google, other than ones for old Unix versions or Windows.?

?

Thanks,
Dave


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Re: creating CICS help

 

-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Kevin
Monceaux
Sent: 26 June 2020 20:21
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [H390-MVS] creating CICS help

On Fri, Jun 26, 2020 at 07:06:06PM +0100, Dave Wade wrote:

Ooops well it does if you totally change the subject. So this appears
to be a separate thread/conversations
No, even if the subject is completely changed a reply to a message will
still
contain an In-Reply-To header with the message ID of the message being
replied to. Most modern mail readers will still thread that message as
part of
the thread being replied to.
Thats what I thought too but no, if you create a completely new subject
groups.io assumes you are a lazy bugger, can't be bothered to start a new
message and breaks the thread totally
It seems to do a pretty good job and as far as I can tell from looking at
the headers it removes any "in-reply to" and creates a clean new thread.
Try tracing the conversations in Thunderbird using threaded. In my
Thunderbird in a threaded view it separates them when I changed to "creating
CICS help".
It used to be in-consistent between creating web messages and submitting by
e-mail. Web messages preserved some thread info, but it was recently made
consistent.

Dave


Re: MOTD. (Message of the day)

 

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Thank you Doug, this is exactly what I was searching for.

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From: <[email protected]> on behalf of Doug Wegscheid <dwegscheid@...>
Reply-To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
Date: Friday, June 26, 2020 at 3:38 PM
To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [H390-MVS] MOTD. (Message of the day)

?

http://www.bsp-gmbh.com/turnkey/cookbook/bspfcook.html

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On Fri, Jun 26, 2020 at 3:32 PM, Dave Trainor

<dave@...> wrote:

Yes I agree, as rexx would not have been around circa 1978 at the university.??? The ¡°fortune cookie¡± thing that Volker has is more or less exactly what I am asking about.? I built my system from scratch (if you can it that) following Jay Mosley¡¯s excellent instructions and learned quite a bit in doing so rather than booting a pre made system.? But am a novice without a doubt.

So a CLIST sounds like the ticket, is the ¡°fortune cookie¡± code available? Or something similar?? Most of the time in the Unix world I lived in so many years, I found scripts that sorta did what I wanted and then modified them rather that start with a clean sheet of coding paper.? Teaches a lot about others logic doing that too.

?

Thanks,

Dave

?

From: <[email protected]> on behalf of Joe Monk <joemonk64@...>
Reply-To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
Date: Friday, June 26, 2020 at 7:34 AM
To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [H390-MVS] MOTD. (Message of the day)

?

This wouldve?been a CLIST executed as part of your logon PROC.

?

Joe

?

On Fri, Jun 26, 2020 at 12:00 AM Dave Trainor <dave@...> wrote:

Is anyone aware of a utility for a MOTD (Message of the day) utility for MVS??? I seem to remember back 40yr ago we always got a humorous message as I am guessing a broadcast message when we logged on, sometimes it was informative like ¡®the system will be unavailable from 18:00 to 20:00¡¯ or other times it just was funny.

Was this just the operators manually creating a MOTD (obviously the maint schedule would be), or is there a utility to generate a automatic message??? I could not find anything in searching CBT or Google, other than ones for old Unix versions or Windows.?

?

Thanks,
Dave


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Re: MOTD. (Message of the day)

 

Other than an excellent tutorial on CLIST, like most all of his web pages, I don't see anything about a MOTD script on that page.

I agree implementing this as a logon CLIST sounds like the way to do it.
1) A file of 100+ "sayings" enough to avoid duplication too quickly
2) a random number generator to pick a line in above fie
3) a write statement to display that particular line

Does not really sound like rocket science. Mostly the creativity and "artistic ability" to create the list of sayings. Someone has had to do this before.

While its probably not suitable for "Business" which is I am sure where MVS mostly lives(d), Universities are another story, and now we are all just hobbyists, so I find it an acceptable of a few CPU ticks.

Thanks,
Dave

?On 6/26/20, 7:59 AM, "[email protected] on behalf of Mike Schwab" <[email protected] on behalf of Mike.A.Schwab@...> wrote:

Instructions
at the end.

On Fri, Jun 26, 2020 at 5:00 AM Dave Trainor <dave@...> wrote:
>
> Is anyone aware of a utility for a MOTD (Message of the day) utility for MVS? I seem to remember back 40yr ago we always got a humorous message as I am guessing a broadcast message when we logged on, sometimes it was informative like ¡®the system will be unavailable from 18:00 to 20:00¡¯ or other times it just was funny.
>
> Was this just the operators manually creating a MOTD (obviously the maint schedule would be), or is there a utility to generate a automatic message? I could not find anything in searching CBT or Google, other than ones for old Unix versions or Windows.
>
>
>
> Thanks,
> Dave
>
>



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Re: MOTD. (Message of the day)

 

http://www.bsp-gmbh.com/turnkey/cookbook/bspfcook.html


On Fri, Jun 26, 2020 at 3:32 PM, Dave Trainor
<dave@...> wrote:

Yes I agree, as rexx would not have been around circa 1978 at the university.??? The ¡°fortune cookie¡± thing that Volker has is more or less exactly what I am asking about.? I built my system from scratch (if you can it that) following Jay Mosley¡¯s excellent instructions and learned quite a bit in doing so rather than booting a pre made system.? But am a novice without a doubt.

So a CLIST sounds like the ticket, is the ¡°fortune cookie¡± code available? Or something similar?? Most of the time in the Unix world I lived in so many years, I found scripts that sorta did what I wanted and then modified them rather that start with a clean sheet of coding paper.? Teaches a lot about others logic doing that too.

?

Thanks,

Dave

?

From: <[email protected]> on behalf of Joe Monk <joemonk64@...>
Reply-To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
Date: Friday, June 26, 2020 at 7:34 AM
To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [H390-MVS] MOTD. (Message of the day)

?

This wouldve?been a CLIST executed as part of your logon PROC.

?

Joe

?

On Fri, Jun 26, 2020 at 12:00 AM Dave Trainor <dave@...> wrote:

Is anyone aware of a utility for a MOTD (Message of the day) utility for MVS??? I seem to remember back 40yr ago we always got a humorous message as I am guessing a broadcast message when we logged on, sometimes it was informative like ¡®the system will be unavailable from 18:00 to 20:00¡¯ or other times it just was funny.

Was this just the operators manually creating a MOTD (obviously the maint schedule would be), or is there a utility to generate a automatic message??? I could not find anything in searching CBT or Google, other than ones for old Unix versions or Windows.?

?

Thanks,
Dave


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Re: MOTD. (Message of the day)

 

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Yes I agree, as rexx would not have been around circa 1978 at the university.??? The ¡°fortune cookie¡± thing that Volker has is more or less exactly what I am asking about.? I built my system from scratch (if you can it that) following Jay Mosley¡¯s excellent instructions and learned quite a bit in doing so rather than booting a pre made system.? But am a novice without a doubt.

So a CLIST sounds like the ticket, is the ¡°fortune cookie¡± code available? Or something similar?? Most of the time in the Unix world I lived in so many years, I found scripts that sorta did what I wanted and then modified them rather that start with a clean sheet of coding paper.? Teaches a lot about others logic doing that too.

?

Thanks,

Dave

?

From: <[email protected]> on behalf of Joe Monk <joemonk64@...>
Reply-To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
Date: Friday, June 26, 2020 at 7:34 AM
To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [H390-MVS] MOTD. (Message of the day)

?

This wouldve?been a CLIST executed as part of your logon PROC.

?

Joe

?

On Fri, Jun 26, 2020 at 12:00 AM Dave Trainor <dave@...> wrote:

Is anyone aware of a utility for a MOTD (Message of the day) utility for MVS??? I seem to remember back 40yr ago we always got a humorous message as I am guessing a broadcast message when we logged on, sometimes it was informative like ¡®the system will be unavailable from 18:00 to 20:00¡¯ or other times it just was funny.

Was this just the operators manually creating a MOTD (obviously the maint schedule would be), or is there a utility to generate a automatic message??? I could not find anything in searching CBT or Google, other than ones for old Unix versions or Windows.?

?

Thanks,
Dave


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Re: creating CICS help

 

On Fri, Jun 26, 2020 at 07:06:06PM +0100, Dave Wade wrote:

Ooops well it does if you totally change the subject. So this appears to be
a separate thread/conversations
No, even if the subject is completely changed a reply to a message will
still contain an In-Reply-To header with the message ID of the message being
replied to. Most modern mail readers will still thread that message as part
of the thread being replied to.




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Bruceville, TX

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Errare humanum est, ignoscere caninum.


Re: creating CICS help

 

On 6/26/20 10:55 AM, Dave Wade wrote:
Sorry, but generally in "groups.io" when you change the subject the thread
identifier is changed.
Thunderbird keeps it as the same thread.? So I would have follow Kevin's advice.

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Re: creating CICS help

 

Ooops well it does if you totally change the subject. So this appears to be
a separate thread/conversations

Dave

-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Dave
Wade via groups.io
Sent: 26 June 2020 18:56
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [H390-MVS] creating CICS help

Kevin,
Sorry, but generally in "groups.io" when you change the subject the thread
identifier is changed.
Dave

-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Kevin
Monceaux
Sent: 26 June 2020 18:06
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: creating CICS help (was Re: [H390-MVS] SYSCPK issues)

On Fri, Jun 26, 2020 at 09:59:31AM -0700, Drew Derbyshire wrote:

Please start a new thread (and change the subject!) when starting a
new thread.
Also keep in mind that replying to an existing message and changing
the subject does not start a new thread. Sending a message to the
list that
is not
a reply to a previous message starts a new thread.



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Bruceville, TX

What's the definition of a legacy system? One that works!
Errare humanum est, ignoscere caninum.




Re: creating CICS help

 

Kevin,
Sorry, but generally in "groups.io" when you change the subject the thread
identifier is changed.
Dave

-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Kevin
Monceaux
Sent: 26 June 2020 18:06
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: creating CICS help (was Re: [H390-MVS] SYSCPK issues)

On Fri, Jun 26, 2020 at 09:59:31AM -0700, Drew Derbyshire wrote:

Please start a new thread (and change the subject!) when starting a
new thread.
Also keep in mind that replying to an existing message and changing the
subject does not start a new thread. Sending a message to the list that
is not
a reply to a previous message starts a new thread.



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Bruceville, TX

What's the definition of a legacy system? One that works!
Errare humanum est, ignoscere caninum.


Re: creating CICS help (was Re: [H390-MVS] SYSCPK issues)

 

On Fri, Jun 26, 2020 at 09:59:31AM -0700, Drew Derbyshire wrote:

Please start a new thread (and change the subject!) when starting a new
thread.
Also keep in mind that replying to an existing message and changing the
subject does not start a new thread. Sending a message to the list that is
not a reply to a previous message starts a new thread.



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Bruceville, TX

What's the definition of a legacy system? One that works!
Errare humanum est, ignoscere caninum.


creating CICS help (was Re: [H390-MVS] SYSCPK issues)

 

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On 6/26/20 9:35 AM, dylson_valente@... via groups.io wrote:
Friends, tiso my problem to creat my test cics environment:
Please start a new thread (and change the subject!) when starting a new thread.

Also, paste your configuration statements (which can edited or commented on one by one), not of a picture of your statements.

-ahd-
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 mine"                                          -- "Casablanca"


Re: RES: [H390-MVS] Third party performance monitor

 

On 2020-06-26 10:06 PM, Richard Kitz via groups.io wrote:
CA-LOOK
Written and developed by ADR (Applied Data Research)
Yes, so back in the day when they shut the system every night (and put covers over all the boxen in case the sprinklers went off) I had my SMP4 APPLY running with DIS(WRITE), and left the instruction "if you have to cancel it, only cancel it once".

SMP had an ESTAE with TERM=YES so that if ABTERM came along it would rewrite the numerous cylinders of directory blocks to the CDS.

They took the request literally, and when the APPLY did not terminate within the operators' wanting-to-go-home patience limit, they issued an E CAN which is a LOOK command, thereby not issuing an OS CANCEL more than once.

Of course, the effect was the same as if they'd issued an additional CANCEL, and the SMP CDS was totally cactus.? Luckily there was a backup from which to retry that particular software maintenance effort.

Gotta laugh.

Mind you, some of those LOOK console commands were lifesavers on numerous occasions, checking out jobs' allocations, address space status, etc.? Quite a powerful product in its time.

Cheers,
Greg


Re: SYSCPK issues

 

Friends, tiso my problem to creat my test cics environment:

Ipl?

Imagem incorporada

d a,l

Imagem incorporada
CEDA
Imagem incorporada

This is my question.
How to creat? Transaction/ program, mapset, files to running my progran cics/vsam

Please help me.

hercules.conf



#
# Hercules Emulator Control file¡­
# Description:
# MaxShutdownSecs: 15
#
#
# System parameters
#

ARCHMODE z/Arch
ALRF ENABLE
cckd RA=2,RAQ=4,RAT=2,WR=2,GCINT=5,GCPARM=0,NOSTRESS=0,TRACE=0,FREEPEND=-1
CNSLPORT 3270
CONKPALV (3,1,10)
CPUMODEL 3090
CPUSERIAL 012345
DIAG8CMD ENABLE
ECPSVM YES
LOADPARM 0A95DC..
LPARNAME HERCULES
MAINSIZE 1024
MOUNTED_TAPE_REINIT DISALLOW
NUMCPU 4
OSTAILOR Z/OS
PANRATE 80
PGMPRDOS LICENSED
SHCMDOPT NODIAG8
SYSEPOCH 1900
TIMERINT 50
TZOFFSET +1400
YROFFSET 0

HERCPRIO 0
TODPRIO -20
DEVPRIO 8
CPUPRIO 0
PANTITLE z/OS 1.9 IPL A80?

# --------------------------------------------------------------
# SYMBOLS DEFINITION? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??
# --------------------------------------------------------------

DEFSYM DASD "C:\Mainframe\Z_OS_110"
DEFSYM PRTR "C:\Mainframe\Z_OS_110"

# --------------------------------------------------------------
# Display Terminals
# --------------------------------------------------------------

0700 3270
0701 3270
0702 3270
0703 3270
0704 3270

# --------------------------------------------------------------
# DASD Devices
# --------------------------------------------------------------

0A81 3390 c:\cckd/zares1.cckd sf=c:\shadow/zares1_*
0A82 3390 c:\cckd/zares2.cckd sf=c:\shadow/zares2_*
0A83 3390 c:\cckd/zadb81.cckd sf=c:\shadow/zadb81_*
0A84 3390 c:\cckd/zadb82.cckd sf=c:\shadow/zadb82_*
0A85 3390 c:\cckd/zadb83.cckd sf=c:\shadow/zadb83_*
0A86 3390 c:\cckd/zadb84.cckd sf=c:\shadow/zadb84_*
0A87 3390 c:\cckd/zadb91.cckd sf=c:\shadow/zadb91_*
0A88 3390 c:\cckd/zadb92.cckd sf=c:\shadow/zadb92_*
0A89 3390 c:\cckd/zacic1.cckd sf=c:\shadow/zacic1_*
0A8A 3390 c:\cckd/zadis1.cckd sf=c:\shadow/zadis1_*
0A8B 3390 c:\cckd/zadis2.cckd sf=c:\shadow/zadis2_*
0A8C 3390 c:\cckd/zadis3.cckd sf=c:\shadow/zadis3_*
0A8D 3390 c:\cckd/zadis4.cckd sf=c:\shadow/zadis4_*
0A8E 3390 c:\cckd/zadis5.cckd sf=c:\shadow/zadis5_*
0A8F 3390 c:\cckd/zadis6.cckd sf=c:\shadow/zadis6_*
0A90 3390 c:\cckd/zaims1.cckd sf=c:\shadow/zaims1_*
0A91 3390 c:\cckd/zaprd1.cckd sf=c:\shadow/zaprd1_*
0A92 3390 c:\cckd/zaprd2.cckd sf=c:\shadow/zaprd2_*
0A93 3390 c:\cckd/zaprd3.cckd sf=c:\shadow/zaprd3_*
0A94 3390 c:\cckd/zaprd4.cckd sf=c:\shadow/zaprd4_*
0A95 3390 c:\cckd/zasys1.cckd sf=c:\shadow/zasys1_*
0A96 3390 c:\cckd/zauss1.cckd sf=c:\shadow/zauss1_*
0A97 3390 c:\cckd/zawas1.cckd sf=c:\shadow/zawas1_*
0A98 3390 c:\cckd/zawas2.cckd sf=c:\shadow/zawas2_*
0A99 3390 c:\cckd/zawas3.cckd sf=c:\shadow/zawas3_*
0A9A 3390 c:\cckd/sares1.cckd sf=c:\shadow/sares1_*


Em quinta-feira, 25 de junho de 2020 07:36:51 BRT, Joe Monk <joemonk64@...> escreveu:


While Jay Moseley does not need defending, the procedure was written to be compatible with his MVS build.

If you are using his procedure?with another system like TK3UPD (which last I heard has questionable legs anyway, because Phil decided to claim copyright over the whole thing), of there will be a need to modify the install procedures.

So, when viewed thru that lens, none of these changes are either unusual or unnecessary. Every system takes some customization.

Joe

On Wed, Jun 24, 2020 at 9:30 PM Drew Derbyshire <swhobbit@...> wrote:

I had various issues with SYSCPK install and contents.

First, the changes to the JES2 procedure:

  • #1 with a bullet
    • This (as suggested on ) won't work:
      ??? S JES2OLD
      JES2OLD is not a registered subsystem, and thus the START command will hang.
  • The JES2 procedure is not modified in a consistent style with the preexisting statements:
    • SYSC.PROCLIB was hardcoded, unlike SYS1.PROCLIB and SYS2.PROCLIB.?
    • When combined with #1 above and a user mistake by me (!), my recovery entailed restoring from my nightly backups.?
      • The preferred (and recoverable from) method of adding the PROCLIB would have been:
      • Adding parameters PC= and VC= (for volume) to the new library
      • I would also suggest also use of UNIT=SYSDA, not UNIT=3350.
  • SYSC.PROCLIB was in front of SYS1.PROCLIB
    • This is not acceptable (not on my system!), and a bad practice in general.? End of the (DD) line, please.
    • You could add an alternate PROCLIB DD (/*JOBPARM PROCLIB=SYSC?)
    • Are there duplicate names between SYS1.PROCLIB AND SYSC.PROCLIB?
  • On a system with dynamic PROCLIB support, is adding SYSC.PROCLIB directly to JES2 needed at all?? (At cost of an additional line of JCL, of course.)

SYSC.LINKLIB has multiple minor issues:

  • The library seems to be dumping ground for multiple module types; I would suggest it be audited and replaced with:
    • A library for executable language components (under the current name?)
      • Is there a summary of changes for modules which also in SYS1.LINKLIB?
    • A library for executable utilities
    • A library for linkable subroutines
  • Adding SYSC.LINKLIB with its 905 members (SYS1.LINKLIB only has 121) to the APF authorized list is somewhat cavalier.?
    • Is there a summary of what modules need authorization (and why)?
    • I would think once reorganized, only the utilities library needs APF authorization?

And finally, the VATLST modifier didn't detect SYSCPK was already added to VATLST00, and inserted a duplicate entry.? As (I think) that was the only line modified, the entire step should have been skipped. (Do the other steps have duplicate changes issues as well?

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Re: RES: [H390-MVS] Third party performance monitor

 

On 6/26/20 5:06 AM, Richard Kitz via groups.io wrote:
CA-LOOK
Written and developed by ADR (Applied Data Research)
I didn't know LOOK was by ADR.
who also did Librarian,
Used it at my first employer for years.
Roscoe,
Version 4.2 in line mode on 360/65 at Clarkson was not great. The scripting language (ROSPROC) was as close as you can get to a Turing machine (and not in a good way) and still try to get get work done.? But it still beat cards with three day turnaround (in high school) by a mile.

Version 5.x on a 3270 had full screen editing, a great scripting language (RPF) on par with REXX, with full screen dialogs.

and Vollie,
Vollie and & Panvalet were DOS.
and a Database product
Datacom/DB.

-ahd-

p.s. I used Librarian, ROSCOE 5.x, and (a little) Datacom/DB all at my first employer.? Also TMS (UCC-1), but that was by UCC, which was ALSO eaten by CA.

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Where as a child I'd hide
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And the rain to quietly pass me by . . ." -- Guns'n'Roses