On 6/29/20 7:57 AM, Kevin Monceaux wrote:

p.s.? I have many IBM mainframe talents, but VTAM isn't one of them ...

I'm also among the VTAM impaired.

I prefer to think of it as VTAM free.? :-)

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On Mon, Jun 29, 2020 at 09:57:46AM -0500, Kevin Monceaux wrote:

I have JRP working, or at least had it working, but it's been so long since
I IPL'd the system I have it working on, I can't remember the details. I'll
IPL it and see if I can remember how to print via JPR.

It looks like it still works:

10.32.01 STC 1252 JRPI400 IEBGENER JOB01161 BEGINNING ON RMT01(CUU0C8)

I have JRP printers set up at 0C8 and 0C9. After starting JRP, a D U,,,0C8,2
shows their status as A, and D NET,ID=CUU0C8 and ID=CUU0C9 shows their status
as ACT. After logging on to the JRP VTAM interface, a $DU there shows:

JRPI101 RMT01 LU=CUU0C8 INACTIVE ,F= ,R=LOCAL ,S=Y
LPP=055,MLIN=9999,C=S ,SCS=N,LGMD= ,RCD=00 ,FB2=00 ,SENSE=00000000

JRPI101 RMT02 LU=CUU0C9 INACTIVE ,F= ,R=LOCAL ,S=Y
LPP=056,MLIN=9999,C=P ,SCS=N,LGMD= ,RCD=00 ,FB2=00 ,SENSE=00000000

In my VTAM definitions I have:

ATCCON00:

*
* STARTLIST B S P M V S *
*
APPLTSO, /* TSO Application major node */X
LCLMAJ00, /* LOCAL Non-SNA major node */X
APPLJRP, /* JRP Application major node */X
LCLMAJPR /* Remote Printer major node */

APPLJRP:

JRP APPL AUTH=ACQ
CJRP APPL AUTH=PASS

LCLMAJPR:

LCLMAJPR LBUILD SUBAREA=3
CUU0C8 LOCAL TERM=3284,CUADDR=0C8,ISTATUS=ACTIVE, +
LOGTAB=BSPLIN01
CUU0C9 LOCAL TERM=3284,CUADDR=0C9,ISTATUS=ACTIVE, +
LOGTAB=BSPLIN01




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Drew,

On Sat, Jun 27, 2020 at 06:27:16PM -0700, Drew Derbyshire wrote:

Anyone actually have JRP printing files?? I've got the class (A) and
routing (RMT1) matching, and I changed the printer devices in the JRP
configuration from LCLC0x to CUUC0x (to match VTAM says the devices are).

The printer does NOT appear bound to VTAM (which I suppose depends on
when it connects to it). I'm running out of ideas.

Suggestions?

I have JRP working, or at least had it working, but it's been so long since
I IPL'd the system I have it working on, I can't remember the details. I'll
IPL it and see if I can remember how to print via JPR.

p.s.? I have many IBM mainframe talents, but VTAM isn't one of them ...

I'm also among the VTAM impaired.



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Kevin



Bruceville, TX

What's the definition of a legacy system? One that works!
Errare humanum est, ignoscere caninum.

On Sat, 27 Jun 2020 06:12:11 -0500, "Joe Monk" <joemonk64@...>
wrote:

PIP was CP/M.

It was present in various DEC OS. I remember using it on a DOS/BATCH
pdp11/40 system at university. I think that RSX-11 had it as well.

Joe

On Sat, Jun 27, 2020 at 12:33 AM Dave Trainor <dave@...> wrote:

I remember using PIP. (PeriphericalIntechangeProgram) rather then
IEBGENNER to move files around, but it’s the same logic. Different
companies had to have their own terms, just to make it harder on us
to move platforms. Oh wait - they still do that... LS / DIR
etc etc etc

Dave


?On 6/27/20, 1:26 AM, "[email protected] on behalf of Dave
Trainor" < [email protected] on behalf of dave@...> wrote:

Wikipedia to the rescue - yeah I guess a VAX 11/780. And more
like Junior-senior year. But hey it was 42 years ago and a lot of
college drinking. Like the nerds never did any drinking..

Dave

On 6/27/20, 1:22 AM, "[email protected] on behalf of Drew
Derbyshire" <[email protected] on behalf of swhobbit@...>
wrote:

On 6/26/20 10:13 PM, Theodore M Rolle Jr wrote:
> PDP 11/780

??? (a typo, obviously).

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Based on my sales of CPM and MPM in the 70's and 80's I would say not as I remember selling well in excess of 10,000 CPM/MPM licenses to PC manufacturers through out Europe alone.

All this when running MPI [ MicroComputer Products International ] the European distributor for DR and many other vendors including Microsoft.

I still have the exact licensing records some where on my system during the periods 1976 -- 1986 as these where used to work out what payments went to each software? vendor and the software was issued in over 200 different floppy formats - no such thing as a standard despite use trying to. The Japanese liked to do things their own way !

WE had to design and construct a very hybride computer system that had four different sets of twin floppy drives to cater for them all running under a heavily changed CPM and MSDos codebase and yes we had the source for each of these.

At any one point we had in the test or production areas over 40 different micro computer based systems from a wide range of companies including IBM, DEC, Burrughs, ICL Torch to name but a few.


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well, heck, cats have an attitude about everything!

I am not as in tune to my overlords as you seem to be. Can you elaborate as to how my master would prefer VM to MVS? (Take your time, I'm sure I'll enjoy it).

...and a hint as to the ideal CID (cat interface device) would be helpful, so as to get his claws out of my leg...

I just sent a note about to get the cat to give you personal space.? The Mist of Doom works, trust me.? :-)

As for the rest, the Kenmore Secret Lab (AKA the Kitten Farm West) has cats with weekly photo shoots (follow me on FB), Computer Literate Bears, and an Ether Bunny.? We've got 30 years of back story, explaining would not fit in an email.?

-ahd-

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Hello!
Suffice to say they are smarter than we are. And are we running MVS as
a guest of VM out there? I certainly hope so. As for the rest? It
depends. Incidentally they own the world, and allow the elephants to
make use of it. Now one of my group is insisting that we return to
topic.
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On Sat, Jun 27, 2020 at 9:43 PM Doug Wegscheid <dwegscheid@...> wrote:

well, heck, cats have an attitude about everything!

I am not as in tune to my overlords as you seem to be. Can you elaborate as to how my master would prefer VM to MVS? (Take your time, I'm sure I'll enjoy it).

...and a hint as to the ideal CID (cat interface device) would be helpful, so as to get his claws out of my leg...


On Saturday, June 27, 2020, 9:33:52 PM EDT, Drew Derbyshire <swhobbit@...> wrote:


On 6/27/20 6:26 PM, Doug Wegscheid wrote:

On Sat, Jun 27, 2020 at 07:55 PM, Drew Derbyshire wrote:

This is MVS mailing list, not VM. Cats would not be caught dead using MVS.

oh, *please* explain... One word: Cattitude
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"cat speech"?

I'm with you, brother. Sheltering in place with my feline overlords is causing me to learn some new language skills...

<<Dammit Louie, I'll feed you as soon as you get your claws out of my leg>>

_._,_._,

"I wanna introduce you to a personal friend of mine. This is 24 ounce Mist of Doom.? Has both stream mode for distance and spray mode for that close up blunderbuss effect."

With a little conditioning, when it appears a feline overlord takes one look and departs without you having to touch the trigger.? This house has 10 of them, including one within reach as I type.

-ahd-

p.s. I should point this conversation has not just over gone over the edge, after the usual 3 second delay we've made a dust cloud on the canyon floor.? My Hercules host machine, a Raspberry Pi 4, is in fact named wile-e-coyote.

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On Sat, Jun 27, 2020 at 07:55 PM, Drew Derbyshire wrote:

This is MVS mailing list, not VM.? Cats would not be caught dead using MVS.

oh, *please* explain...

One word: Cattitude

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Anyone actually have JRP printing files?? I've got the class (A) and routing (RMT1) matching, and I changed the printer devices in the JRP configuration from LCLC0x to CUUC0x (to match VTAM says the devices are).

The printer does NOT appear bound to VTAM (which I suppose depends on when it connects to it). I'm running out of ideas.

Suggestions?

-ahd-

p.s.? I have many IBM mainframe talents, but VTAM isn't one of them ...

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"Sometimes I'm so sweet even I can't stand it." -- Dame Julie Andrews

On Sat, Jun 27, 2020 at 07:55 PM, Drew Derbyshire wrote:

This is MVS mailing list, not VM.? Cats would not be caught dead using MVS.

oh, *please* explain...

"cat speech"?

I'm with you, brother. Sheltering in place with my feline overlords is causing me to learn some new language skills...

<<Dammit Louie, I'll feed you as soon as you get your claws out of my leg>>

On 6/27/20 3:27 PM, Gregg Levine wrote:

If you wait a week I can even present it in basic Cat speech as well.

This is MVS mailing list, not VM.? Cats would not be caught dead using MVS.

(May be that's why my status is still probationary after 16 years of being a cat valet -- I know OS too well.)

-ahd-

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Joe,

Where do you think CP/M got "PIP" from??? DEC ... OS/8, TOPS-10, RSTS/11, etc., etc.

Cheers,

Mark S. Waterbury

Hello!
I agree with everything so far, but that especially. But, ah, you want
that in basic American, Yiddish or in Klingonese? If you wait a week I
can even present it in basic Cat speech as well.
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On Sat, Jun 27, 2020 at 1:13 AM Theodore M Rolle Jr <stercor@...> wrote:

The only language common to all programmers is profanity.

On Sat, Jun 27, 2020, 00:47 Dave Trainor <dave@...> wrote:

Jay got me what I was looking for - but - if this originated on the PDP-11 that would be the exact one no doubt that I remember from 1975-78, Xavier University had a PDP 11/73 and that got replaced at the end of my freshman year with a PDP 11/780 and those were my memories of mainframe usage in college. My first Cobol class was punched cards that I had to submit and get back with the errors and a 52-card pickup at the end. But I was actually using a computer - which was a wonder then to a kid. RSTS was the OS I believe.
Ancient history now, but decided to play with MVS in retirement. Much the same as best I remember, but I have spent all my years in Unix (and Windows Admin) and it's all a distant and pleasant memory learning Pascal, Cobol and Fortran. Once sure thing, the computer itself back then was in a nice little glass room where I was not allowed......
So being the owner and SysProg is a daunting task and I am finding a steep learning curve but one keeping my mind engaged, I am one that must figure it out - eventually, cussing along the way.

Dave

?On 6/26/20, 8:55 PM, "[email protected] on behalf of Dennis Stone" <[email protected] on behalf of dstone21@...> wrote:

If all you are looking for is the Fortune Cookie program and/or data
files, CBT file 169 has the old PDP-11 file, and CBT file 547 has
Volker's fortune cookie program and data, I believe.

Dennis

On 6/26/20 7:50 PM, Jay Moseley wrote:
> On 6/26/20 5:47 PM, Jim Morrison wrote:
>> Awesome, Jay.?? Thanks!?? Your website is nice & fast, it took no time
>> to snarf it.
>>
>> The version
>>
>> is from 2002-07-31 or that may just be when you created the zip.?? All
>> of the files seem to have that date stamp.
>>
>> The CBT version appears to be from the summer of 2001 with the most
>> recent file probably from 2001-06-05.
>>
>> I'd be interested in the others, if they're available online. If I
>> have anything prior to TK3 I can't lay hands on it.?? One of the
>> issues of having loads of disk space.
>>
> Jim,
>
> I opened up both V3 iso images (labeled on my system as 2002 and 2003)
> and it appears that the files on both are dated 2002-07-31. I have two
> CDs of Volker's Turnkey in a box: one originated from a download from
> SOURCE.RFC822.ORG (which no longer exists) and is dated 07/23/2003 on
> the CD; the second originated at CBT sent directly to me and is
> labeled in the printed cover: #2 Revised June 2001.
>
> I believe I had 3 physical CDs when I created these iso files, but it
> may be that I created what now appears to be a duplicate of the
> 2002-07 material from a CBT DVD.
>
> I also don't know why, but I cannot open the 2001 iso image on my
> Linux system without 'mounting' it. I made a new iso copy from the
> original CD and it exhibits the same behavior. Anyway, I am putting it
> up at my site and will leave it for a while if anyone wants to grab
> this earlier version.
>
>
> 592.2 MB MD5: 4ba824ebb67a43755ef3503496b98278 turnkey-mvs-2.tar.gz
>
> The people who host my site are the best. I went through several of
> the 'free' hosts back in 2000-2001 and they all were the pits. These
> guys have had my site since 2001 and I just paid for another 10 year
> extension. They just recently removed quota allotment - now says
> unlimited and the report no longer even tells me how much I have up
> there!
>
> Jay
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Hey, no one is arguing.... That's a good thread in this day and age....

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I really had no intention of creating a huge thread about this….? Sorry.

?

Is there any other kind on this list? :-)

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