Re: Whats the best way to transfer dasd from z/os to Hercules
Hello Jay, thanks for your thoughts. Am 15.01.2025 um 12:37 schrieb Jay Maynard via groups.io <jaymaynard@...>: He's looking to take a full volume, 3390-x (where x>3), from a running z/OS system and wind up with it as a DASD image he can feed to Hercules. Are we talking about z/OS on emulation or a real machine? This clearly influences possible paths to success. :wq! PoC
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Re: Whats the best way to transfer dasd from z/os to Hercules
He's looking to take a full volume, 3390-x (where x>3), from a running z/OS system and wind up with it as a DASD image he can feed to Hercules.
I'm looking to do the same thing, myself, so have been following this topic with interest; the only difference for me is that the backup facility available isn't DFDSS but rather FDR.
Hello Brian,
Am 15.01.2025 um 07:53 schrieb Brian_Westerman via <Brian_Westerman=[email protected]>:
> So how do people transfer a 3390-x full volume backup from zos to Hercules?
You did not yet clarify what you mean with this sentence. I asked for details last week but failed to recognize an answer from you.
:wq! PoC
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Re: Whats the best way to transfer dasd from z/os to Hercules
Hello Brian, Am 15.01.2025 um 07:53 schrieb Brian_Westerman via groups.io <Brian_Westerman@...>: So how do people transfer a 3390-x full volume backup from zos to Hercules? You did not yet clarify what you mean with this sentence. I asked for details last week but failed to recognize an answer from you. :wq! PoC
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Re: Whats the best way to transfer dasd from z/os to Hercules
I use the 64bit CCKDDU64 all the time for full volume images. Haven't had a problem with it yet. Just need a (few) large volumes on the source system to temporarily stage the output dataset before FTP'ing it to local workstation.
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Re: Whats the best way to transfer dasd from z/os to Hercules
So how do people transfer a 3390-x full volume backup from zos to Hercules?
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I use DFDSS to tape, then TERSE that tape, upload to my via FTP in binary, then binary FTP it to a DISK dataset and then unterse that dataset and then DFDSS restore it.?
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My method works every time, but is kind of slow.? I was wondering of anyone else had a better method. CCKDDUMP and the 64bit CCKDDU64 don't work, so I was wondering how other people do it.? Moving by dataset doesn't seem like a good way to go because some datasets are going to be ZFS and VSAM and DA, not just PDS's and Sequential files.?
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Anyone care to share their method?
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Hello Fish, Am 14.01.2025 um 02:24 schrieb Fish Fish via groups.io <david.b.trout@...>: Doesn't anyone believe anymore in providing some CONTEXT in the replies they make to other's posts? I presume these are posts being done not by email, but via the web interface of groups.io? Did not have a closer look at it. :wq! PoC
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Gregg Levine wrote: Fish wrote:
Doesn't anyone believe anymore in providing some CONTEXT
in the replies they make to other's posts? Hello!
Now what's bothering you Fish? Hint: An answer is not required. Hint: An answer was not expected. ;-) -- "Fish" (David B. Trout) Software Development Laboratories mail: fish@...
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Hello! Now what's bothering you Fish? Hint: An answer is not required. ----- Gregg C Levine gregg.drwho8@... "This signature was present when the impossible happened 23 years ago, twice." On Mon, Jan 13, 2025 at 8:24?PM Fish Fish via groups.io <david.b.trout@...> wrote:
Doesn't anyone believe anymore in providing some CONTEXT in the replies they make to other's posts?
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"Fish" (David B. Trout)
Software Development Laboratories
mail: fish@...
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Doesn't anyone believe anymore in providing some CONTEXT in the replies they make to other's posts?
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"Fish" (David B. Trout)
Software Development Laboratories
mail: fish@...
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I sent him an email,? I tried to change the .PS1 file, but it just seemed to ignore my changes, so I probably didn't change it correctly.
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Brian
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Re: Whats the best way to transfer dasd from z/os to Hercules
Mike Schwab wrote: Suggestion of new models
3390-1.9 2182 cyl 32,730 tracks alternate 1 c 15 t
3390-3.9 4368 cyl 65,520 track, alternate 1 c 15 t
3390-A (EAV 2 bits) 262,080 or so cylinders alternate 3 cyl
3390-B (EAV 4 bits) 1,048,320 or so cylinders alternate 3 cyl
reserve 3390-(C, D, E, F, 6, 8, 10, 12 bits). I don't know what you're trying to tell me, but Hercules already supports 3390 models 1 through 54. As far as your proposed EAV models A and B are concerned, Hercules does not support EAV and likely never will. -- "Fish" (David B. Trout) Software Development Laboratories mail: fish@...
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Re: Whats the best way to transfer dasd from z/os to Hercules
Suggestion of new models 3390-1.9 2182 cyl 32,730 tracks alternate 1 c 15 t 3390-3.9 4368 cyl 65,520 track, alternate 1 c 15 t 3390-A (EAV 2 bits) 262,080 or so cylinders alternate 3 cyl 3390-B (EAV 4 bits) 1,048,320 or so cylinders alternate 3 cyl reserve 3390-(C, D, E, F, 6, 8, 10, 12 bits). On Mon, Jan 13, 2025 at 1:12?PM Fish Fish via groups.io <david.b.trout@...> wrote:
Mike Schwab wrote:
Unloaded PDS files.
That's a URL for the old 3.x Hercules.
For SDL Hercules 4.x:
Unloaded PDS files.
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"Fish" (David B. Trout)
Software Development Laboratories
mail: fish@...
-- Mike A Schwab, Springfield IL USA Where do Forest Rangers go to get away from it all?
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Re: Probably a stupid question - concerning Master Catalog Passwords
Dave,Thanks for confirming my aging grey cells do sometimes retrieve stuff from the archives, now you mentioned those keywords I remember having JCL MOUNT OPER ACT options on mine :-)
Regards,
On Monday, 13 January 2025 at 20:37, Dave Trainor - N8ZFM <dave@...> wrote:
Correct, and my userid has those permissions OPER and ACCT both defined.? MVS 3,8j, plain vanilla, does not appear to have a lot of security besides that.
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Thanks,
Dave – N8ZFM
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I have a vague memory that you needed to be a Sysprog / Operator defined tso user for some system functions rather than a plain tso user.
It's a vague memory, but may be pertinent.
On Monday, 13 January 2025 at 20:18, Dave Trainor - N8ZFM <dave@...> wrote:
Yes, and it gets the correct characters.
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Thanks,
Dave – N8ZFM
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Hi Dave,
If you use X3270 you can activate the trace and in the trace you can analyze what TSO receives when you enter the password.
HTH
搁别苍é
Le dimanche 12 janvier 2025 à 23:48:19 UTC+1, Dave Trainor - N8ZFM <dave@...> a écrit :
You know I found in the message archive this -/g/H390-MVS/topic/hosed_password_for/74966269
From 2020 -? My problem is almost the same as what Doug was experiencing then, and it does not seem to have been answered, the root is the inability
to enter the MCAT password from TSO.
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Thank you Marco for prompting me to google search IEC331I 056-012.
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Thanks,
Dave
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The message logged on the console at the failure (in TSO) is:
??????????????? IEC331I ???056-012,DAVE????? ,IKJACCNT,RCU ,IGG0CLB6
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Which I agree means a “a security verification failed”.??? So my user account has authority.?? The obvious is that I can’t type SYSPROG correctly, but
that is not the case.???
?
Thanks,
Dave – N8ZFM
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No magic secret here, or anywhere else in the universe as far as I know.
I
t would be useful to know what message appears, not by magic, on the console. For example in case of wrong password
IEC331I 056-002,HMVS01 ,IKJACCNT,RCU ,IGG0CLBM
return code 056 = a security verification failed
reason code 002 = the user did not have the required authority
In case of other messages, it is necessary to verify which one it is and take the necessary measures reported in the sacred texts a.k.a. IBM manuals
?
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τσ尘
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τσ尘
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Re: Probably a stupid question - concerning Master Catalog Passwords
Correct, and my userid has those permissions OPER and ACCT both defined.? MVS 3,8j, plain vanilla, does not appear to have a lot of security besides that.
?
Thanks,
Dave – N8ZFM
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I have a vague memory that you needed to be a Sysprog / Operator defined tso user for some system functions rather than a plain tso user.
It's a vague memory, but may be pertinent.
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On Monday, 13 January 2025 at 20:18, Dave Trainor - N8ZFM <dave@...> wrote:
Yes, and it gets the correct characters.
?
Thanks,
Dave – N8ZFM
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Hi Dave,
If you use X3270 you can activate the trace and in the trace you can analyze what TSO receives when you enter the password.
HTH
搁别苍é
Le dimanche 12 janvier 2025 à 23:48:19 UTC+1, Dave Trainor - N8ZFM <dave@...> a écrit :
You know I found in the message archive this -/g/H390-MVS/topic/hosed_password_for/74966269
From 2020 -? My problem is almost the same as what Doug was experiencing then, and it does not seem to have been answered, the root is the inability
to enter the MCAT password from TSO.
?
Thank you Marco for prompting me to google search IEC331I 056-012.
?
Thanks,
Dave
?
The message logged on the console at the failure (in TSO) is:
??????????????? IEC331I ???056-012,DAVE????? ,IKJACCNT,RCU ,IGG0CLB6
?
Which I agree means a “a security verification failed”.??? So my user account has authority.?? The obvious is that I can’t type SYSPROG correctly, but
that is not the case.???
?
Thanks,
Dave – N8ZFM
?
No magic secret here, or anywhere else in the universe as far as I know.
I
t would be useful to know what message appears, not by magic, on the console. For example in case of wrong password
IEC331I 056-002,HMVS01 ,IKJACCNT,RCU ,IGG0CLBM
return code 056 = a security verification failed
reason code 002 = the user did not have the required authority
In case of other messages, it is necessary to verify which one it is and take the necessary measures reported in the sacred texts a.k.a. IBM manuals
?
--
--
τσ尘
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Re: Probably a stupid question - concerning Master Catalog Passwords
I have a vague memory that you needed to be a Sysprog / Operator defined tso user for some system functions rather than a plain tso user.
It's a vague memory, but may be pertinent.
Regards,
On Monday, 13 January 2025 at 20:18, Dave Trainor - N8ZFM <dave@...> wrote:
Yes, and it gets the correct characters.
?
Thanks,
Dave – N8ZFM
?
Hi Dave,
If you use X3270 you can activate the trace and in the trace you can analyze what TSO receives when you enter the password.
HTH
搁别苍é
Le dimanche 12 janvier 2025 à 23:48:19 UTC+1, Dave Trainor - N8ZFM <dave@...> a écrit :
You know I found in the message archive this -/g/H390-MVS/topic/hosed_password_for/74966269
From 2020 -? My problem is almost the same as what Doug was experiencing then, and it does not seem to have been answered, the root is the inability
to enter the MCAT password from TSO.
?
Thank you Marco for prompting me to google search IEC331I 056-012.
?
Thanks,
Dave
?
The message logged on the console at the failure (in TSO) is:
??????????????? IEC331I ???056-012,DAVE????? ,IKJACCNT,RCU ,IGG0CLB6
?
Which I agree means a “a security verification failed”.??? So my user account has authority.?? The obvious is that I can’t type SYSPROG correctly, but
that is not the case.???
?
Thanks,
Dave – N8ZFM
?
No magic secret here, or anywhere else in the universe as far as I know.
I
t would be useful to know what message appears, not by magic, on the console. For example in case of wrong password
IEC331I 056-002,HMVS01 ,IKJACCNT,RCU ,IGG0CLBM
return code 056 = a security verification failed
reason code 002 = the user did not have the required authority
In case of other messages, it is necessary to verify which one it is and take the necessary measures reported in the sacred texts a.k.a. IBM manuals
--
--
τσ尘
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Re: Probably a stupid question - concerning Master Catalog Passwords
Yes, and it gets the correct characters.
?
Thanks,
Dave – N8ZFM
?
Hi Dave,
If you use X3270 you can activate the trace and in the trace you can analyze what TSO receives when you enter the password.
HTH
搁别苍é
Le dimanche 12 janvier 2025 à 23:48:19 UTC+1, Dave Trainor - N8ZFM <dave@...> a écrit :
You know I found in the message archive this -/g/H390-MVS/topic/hosed_password_for/74966269
From 2020 -? My problem is almost the same as what Doug was experiencing then, and it does not seem to have been answered, the root is the inability
to enter the MCAT password from TSO.
?
Thank you Marco for prompting me to google search IEC331I 056-012.
?
Thanks,
Dave
?
The message logged on the console at the failure (in TSO) is:
??????????????? IEC331I ???056-012,DAVE????? ,IKJACCNT,RCU ,IGG0CLB6
?
Which I agree means a “a security verification failed”.??? So my user account has authority.?? The obvious is that I can’t type SYSPROG correctly, but
that is not the case.???
?
Thanks,
Dave – N8ZFM
?
No magic secret here, or anywhere else in the universe as far as I know.
I
t would be useful to know what message appears, not by magic, on the console. For example in case of wrong password
IEC331I 056-002,HMVS01 ,IKJACCNT,RCU ,IGG0CLBM
return code 056 = a security verification failed
reason code 002 = the user did not have the required authority
In case of other messages, it is necessary to verify which one it is and take the necessary measures reported in the sacred texts a.k.a. IBM manuals
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Re: Probably a stupid question - concerning Master Catalog Passwords
TSO prompts for the password, and I type it in.??? If it is a batch job then the console prompts me with a message requiring a response, and it accepts that no problem – IE the R xx type response.?? That works
fine.??
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IN TSO if you do an alloc, or same in RPF – the prompt for the password is on the TN3270 user session – however the response to the user in TSO is simply a *** and the command fails, no specific error reported
– but the console reports the IEC331I 056-102 error for the user session.
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This is a pure Jay Mosley instruction generated system, using only material from Jay.?? And there is an example (right at the top) on one of his excellent web pages of a TSO session with the password prompt
and correct response – so I know it can work.?
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Something is awry and I would like to correct the issue.??? I have ban-aided it by simply removing the password, but the fact it should work and does not bugs the heck out of me, as a long time IT guy – “all
errors must be corrected”.?
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Thanks,
Dave
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Dave,
Not clear HOW you are attempting to supply the password – from TSO –
I believe you need to enter it via the operator console –
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Please run the job – check the console – let me know – I am trying to remember –
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-J-
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Jeff Bassett
Bassettj@...
(301) 424-3362 (office)
(240) 388-7148 Cell
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Time spent flying? - is
NOT deducted from one’s lifespan
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On Behalf Of Dave Trainor - N8ZFM via groups.io
Sent: Sunday, January 12, 2025 5:48 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [H390-MVS] Probably a stupid question - concerning Master Catalog Passwords
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You know I found in the message archive this -
/g/H390-MVS/topic/hosed_password_for/74966269
From 2020 -? My problem is almost the same as what Doug was experiencing then, and it does not seem to have been answered, the root is the inability to enter the MCAT password from TSO.
?
Thank you Marco for prompting me to google search IEC331I 056-012.
?
Thanks,
Dave
?
The message logged on the console at the failure (in TSO) is:
??????????????? IEC331I ???056-012,DAVE????? ,IKJACCNT,RCU ,IGG0CLB6
?
Which I agree means a “a security verification failed”.??? So my user account has authority.?? The obvious is that I can’t type SYSPROG correctly, but that is not the case.
???
?
Thanks,
Dave – N8ZFM
?
No magic secret here, or anywhere else in the universe as far as I know.
I
t would be useful to know what message appears, not by magic, on the console. For example in case of wrong password
IEC331I 056-002,HMVS01 ,IKJACCNT,RCU ,IGG0CLBM
return code 056 = a security verification failed
reason code 002 = the user did not have the required authority
In case of other messages, it is necessary to verify which one it is and take the necessary measures reported in the sacred texts a.k.a. IBM manuals
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Re: Probably a stupid question - concerning Master Catalog Passwords
Dave,
Not clear HOW you are attempting to supply the password – from TSO –
I believe you need to enter it via the operator console –
?
Please run the job – check the console – let me know – I am trying to remember –
?
?
?
-J-
?
Jeff Bassett
Bassettj@...
(301) 424-3362 (office)
(240) 388-7148 Cell
?
Time spent flying? - is
NOT deducted from one’s lifespan
?
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From: [email protected] <[email protected]>
On Behalf Of Dave Trainor - N8ZFM via groups.io
Sent: Sunday, January 12, 2025 5:48 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [H390-MVS] Probably a stupid question - concerning Master Catalog Passwords
?
You know I found in the message archive this -
/g/H390-MVS/topic/hosed_password_for/74966269
From 2020 -? My problem is almost the same as what Doug was experiencing then, and it does not seem to have been answered, the root is the inability to enter the MCAT password from TSO.
?
Thank you Marco for prompting me to google search IEC331I 056-012.
?
Thanks,
Dave
?
The message logged on the console at the failure (in TSO) is:
??????????????? IEC331I ???056-012,DAVE????? ,IKJACCNT,RCU ,IGG0CLB6
?
Which I agree means a “a security verification failed”.??? So my user account has authority.?? The obvious is that I can’t type SYSPROG correctly, but that is not the case.
???
?
Thanks,
Dave – N8ZFM
?
No magic secret here, or anywhere else in the universe as far as I know.
I
t would be useful to know what message appears, not by magic, on the console. For example in case of wrong password
IEC331I 056-002,HMVS01 ,IKJACCNT,RCU ,IGG0CLBM
return code 056 = a security verification failed
reason code 002 = the user did not have the required authority
In case of other messages, it is necessary to verify which one it is and take the necessary measures reported in the sacred texts a.k.a. IBM manuals
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Re: Whats the best way to transfer dasd from z/os to Hercules
Mike Schwab wrote:
Unloaded PDS files.
That's a URL for the old 3.x Hercules. For SDL Hercules 4.x: Unloaded PDS files. -- "Fish" (David B. Trout) Software Development Laboratories mail: fish@...
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Re: Whats the best way to transfer dasd from z/os to Hercules
I did that about 10 years ago. I had a full volume all prepared and had to copy it to a client's machine. All I had was a laptop with IND$FILE, so if I remember correctly I did DFDSS/XMIT/IND$FILE/RECEIVE/DFDSS. It took a while even though there wasn't a huge amount of data.
By coincidence, I just found out today DFDSS full volume dumps (at least by default) have no compression and not even any de-duplication. I don't remember using ZIP or TERSE in my copy process above, but I may have.
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On 1/12/2025 8:34 PM, Brian_Westerman via groups.io wrote: The CBTTAPE software is tiny compared to the size of a 3390-54 that is mostly full of data.? I'm not sure you could even send a full volume backup via XMIT.
Brian
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botongrui, aka τσ尘.
Jeff Bassett