Re: Is there a reason that the Group_Help archive, and even the Group_Help Homepage, is not visible unless you are already a member?
On Mon, Mar 24, 2025 at 08:20 PM, Duane wrote:
It's possible that the other account is banned.
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I honestly don't think so, as I don't ever recall being banned from any group, although I have left several of my own accord.
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If this is the case for banned accounts then the message should accurately reflect the reason, and it does not if that account was banned.? Messages should be accurately descriptive, and this one is cryptic.
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Re: Is there a reason that the Group_Help archive, and even the Group_Help Homepage, is not visible unless you are already a member?
On Mon, Mar 24, 2025 at 04:32 PM, Bit Bucket wrote:
The test was done under Microsoft Edge Dev.
I think you have something in Edge blocking you.? The only reason I know of for not being able to see the home page (and possibly the archives) is being banned from the group.? It's possible that the other account is banned.
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Re: Is there a reason that the Group_Help archive, and even the Group_Help Homepage, is not visible unless you are already a member?
Malcolm,
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Interesting, when I try to go to the archive page in an alternate browser and where I'm not logged in to Groups.io, it works fine.? However, if I log in with the userid I routinely use on Groups.io (this one is a secondary for situations such as this one) I'm back to exactly the same issue.? I can't, of course, replicate it using this account since I joined the group with this account.
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The test was done under Microsoft Edge Dev.
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Re: Is there a reason that the Group_Help archive, and even the Group_Help Homepage, is not visible unless you are already a member?
It's not a
definitive test but I cannot reproduce any such effect by logging out - I'm
am still able to see the home page and the
archive.
Might there be a cookie or cache
issue?
best, Malcolm.
On 24 March 2025
20:12:47 (+00:00), Bit Bucket via groups.io wrote: I joined because I wanted to check out something I seem to recall
having been asked in the past, but could not do so.? When I use
Find or Create a Group to locate Group_Help, and click on the link
to the homepage, this is what displayed until I just now joined:
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Yet if one looks on the Group_Help homepage, it says this:
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I cannot so much as see the group home page prior to having joined, so
something's up.? I definitely can't visit the archives page: /g/Group_Help/topics without being
subscribed, either.? It gives the same banner message about not being
a member as trying to view the group home page does. ?
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Is there a reason that the Group_Help archive, and even the Group_Help Homepage, is not visible unless you are already a member?
I joined because I wanted to check out something I seem to recall having been asked in the past, but could not do so.? When I use Find or Create a Group to locate Group_Help, and click on the link to the homepage, this is what displayed until I just now joined:
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Yet if one looks on the Group_Help homepage, it says this:
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I cannot so much as see the group home page prior to having joined, so something's up.? I definitely can't visit the archives page: /g/Group_Help/topics without being subscribed, either.? It gives the same banner message about not being a member as trying to view the group home page does. ?
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Re: Subscribers are receiving Bounce Probes...
or¡. Is there any way I as owner can ¡°unbounce¡± them?
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On Mar 24, 2025, at 9:42?AM, Richard Karash via groups.io <Richard@...> wrote:
Thanks, Bruce, see replies below...
On Sun, Mar 23, 2025 at 09:10 PM, Richard Karash wrote: The problem: 100¡¯s of our subscribers have received the Bounce Probe message, most have been suspicious and have trashed it. A similar problem was recently reported in Group Managers Forum. ?/g/GroupManagersForum/topic/111805053? The common feature there is that all the people involved were on Special Notices delivery only. Such accounts can actually be dead for a long time, but not go into Bouncing status for the simple reason that nothing's ever been sent to them.
Got it. That¡¯s not the case here, the ¡°Email to you¡¡± messages went to 100¡¯s of regular subscribers.? If you used the Easy Group Transfer from Yahoo Groups, you probably have many such accounts. Once they do receive a group email, they could all go into bouncing at once. This could be a post to a different group, direct mail sent by a group admin (through the??system), and actual Special Notice that you recently sent, or any notification/system message. ? Have you checked the Email Delivery History on any of these accounts? If the bounces originated from your own group, that should tell you something. If that turns up nothing, I'd send a separate message - using your own email address, outside of the group - to a few of these accounts. I suspect many - if not all - of those messages will bounce too, thus verifying there is no human on the other end.?
Yes. There¡¯s a common element. A message from a valid subscribers, with a valid email domain, their domain went ¡°absent¡± (DNS down??) briefly. That caused many subscribers¡¯ incoming email servers to bounce the message, likely after a couple of days. That¡¯s when the ¡°email to you is bouncing¡± messages went out.?
All the email addresses in question still work.?
My big question is what to do now.? ?- Subsribers properly are sceptical of a message saying ¡°Urgent¡ click this link to resolve¡±, many have ignored or trashed the restore message ?- I cannot write them because the listserv thinks they are bouncing ?- Is there anyway, as owner, I can override their bounce status and write to them??
? ? ? -=- ?Rick I acknowledge that much of the above is speculative, but lacking further information this is the best I can do. ? Hope this helps, Bruce ?
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Re: Subscribers are receiving Bounce Probes...
On Mon, Mar 24, 2025 at 09:44 AM, Richard Karash wrote:
Is there any way I as owner can ¡°unbounce¡± them?
No.
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Regards,
Bruce
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Re: Subscribers are receiving Bounce Probes...
On Mon, Mar 24, 2025 at 09:42 AM, Richard Karash wrote:
A message from a valid subscribers, with a valid email domain, their domain went ¡°absent¡± (DNS down??) briefly. That caused many subscribers¡¯ incoming email servers to bounce the message, likely after a couple of days. That¡¯s when the ¡°email to you is bouncing¡± messages went out.?
Aha! You didn't tell us that before now.
My big question is what to do now.?
?- Subsribers properly are sceptical of a message saying ¡°Urgent¡ click this link to resolve¡±, many have ignored or trashed the restore message
Understandable.
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Perhaps they'd be less reluctant to click the link if they receive an email from a process they initiated. For example, if they were to log in using the "send me a link to login" function, that would also unbounce their account. See /helpcenter/single/membersmanual#accountsaccounts_abouthtm , "Logging in Without Setting a Password." ?
Generally, though, accepting a link from groups.io and clicking on it is the ONLY WAY to unbounce.
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?- Is there anyway, as owner, I can override their bounce status and write to them??
I think so.
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1. Open the member list, pull down the Filter menu and select "Bouncing."
2. Click the checkbox next to "Display Name" to select everyone on the page
3. Page forward and repeat until all the Bouncing members are selected
4. From the Actions menu at the bottom of the page, select "Send Message"
5. Compose your message and send.
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I just did this with one bouncing member in a different group, and it seemed to work okay (at least I didn't get an error message).
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If it fails, you'll have to contact them offline, from your personal email. You can get a CSV list of Bouncing members by selecting them all again (as described above) and then clicking the Download button.
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Regards,
Bruce
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Re: Subscribers are receiving Bounce Probes...
or¡. Is there any way I as owner can ¡°unbounce¡± them?
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On Mar 24, 2025, at 9:42?AM, Richard Karash via groups.io <Richard@...> wrote:
Thanks, Bruce, see replies below...
On Sun, Mar 23, 2025 at 09:10 PM, Richard Karash wrote: The problem: 100¡¯s of our subscribers have received the Bounce Probe message, most have been suspicious and have trashed it. A similar problem was recently reported in Group Managers Forum. ?/g/GroupManagersForum/topic/111805053? The common feature there is that all the people involved were on Special Notices delivery only. Such accounts can actually be dead for a long time, but not go into Bouncing status for the simple reason that nothing's ever been sent to them.
Got it. That¡¯s not the case here, the ¡°Email to you¡¡± messages went to 100¡¯s of regular subscribers.? If you used the Easy Group Transfer from Yahoo Groups, you probably have many such accounts. Once they do receive a group email, they could all go into bouncing at once. This could be a post to a different group, direct mail sent by a group admin (through the??system), and actual Special Notice that you recently sent, or any notification/system message. ? Have you checked the Email Delivery History on any of these accounts? If the bounces originated from your own group, that should tell you something. If that turns up nothing, I'd send a separate message - using your own email address, outside of the group - to a few of these accounts. I suspect many - if not all - of those messages will bounce too, thus verifying there is no human on the other end.?
Yes. There¡¯s a common element. A message from a valid subscribers, with a valid email domain, their domain went ¡°absent¡± (DNS down??) briefly. That caused many subscribers¡¯ incoming email servers to bounce the message, likely after a couple of days. That¡¯s when the ¡°email to you is bouncing¡± messages went out.?
All the email addresses in question still work.?
My big question is what to do now.? ?- Subsribers properly are sceptical of a message saying ¡°Urgent¡ click this link to resolve¡±, many have ignored or trashed the restore message ?- I cannot write them because the listserv thinks they are bouncing ?- Is there anyway, as owner, I can override their bounce status and write to them??
? ? ? -=- ?Rick I acknowledge that much of the above is speculative, but lacking further information this is the best I can do. ? Hope this helps, Bruce ?
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Re: Subscribers are receiving Bounce Probes...
Thanks, Bruce, see replies below... On Mar 24, 2025, at 8:05?AM, Bruce Bowman via groups.io <bowman46118@...> wrote:
On Sun, Mar 23, 2025 at 09:10 PM, Richard Karash wrote:
The problem: 100¡¯s of our subscribers have received the Bounce Probe message, most have been suspicious and have trashed it.
A similar problem was recently reported in Group Managers Forum. /g/GroupManagersForum/topic/111805053? The common feature there is that all the people involved were on Special Notices delivery only. Such accounts can actually be dead for a long time, but not go into Bouncing status for the simple reason that nothing's ever been sent to them.
Got it. That¡¯s not the case here, the ¡°Email to you¡¡± messages went to 100¡¯s of regular subscribers.?
If you used the Easy Group Transfer from Yahoo Groups, you probably have many such accounts. Once they do receive a group email, they could all go into bouncing at once. This could be a post to a different group, direct mail sent by a group admin (through the groups.io system), and actual Special Notice that you recently sent, or any notification/system message.
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Have you checked the Email Delivery History on any of these accounts? If the bounces originated from your own group, that should tell you something. If that turns up nothing, I'd send a separate message - using your own email address, outside of the group - to a few of these accounts. I suspect many - if not all - of those messages will bounce too, thus verifying there is no human on the other end.?
Yes. There¡¯s a common element. A message from a valid subscribers, with a valid email domain, their domain went ¡°absent¡± (DNS down??) briefly. That caused many subscribers¡¯ incoming email servers to bounce the message, likely after a couple of days. That¡¯s when the ¡°email to you is bouncing¡± messages went out.?
All the email addresses in question still work.?
My big question is what to do now.? ?- Subsribers properly are sceptical of a message saying ¡°Urgent¡ click this link to resolve¡±, many have ignored or trashed the restore message ?- I cannot write them because the listserv thinks they are bouncing ?- Is there anyway, as owner, I can override their bounce status and write to them??
? ? ? -=- ?Rick
I acknowledge that much of the above is speculative, but lacking further information this is the best I can do.
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Hope this helps,
Bruce
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Re: Subscribers are receiving Bounce Probes...
On Sun, Mar 23, 2025 at 09:10 PM, Richard Karash wrote:
The problem: 100¡¯s of our subscribers have received the Bounce Probe message, most have been suspicious and have trashed it.
A similar problem was recently reported in Group Managers Forum. /g/GroupManagersForum/topic/111805053? The common feature there is that all the people involved were on Special Notices delivery only. Such accounts can actually be dead for a long time, but not go into Bouncing status for the simple reason that nothing's ever been sent to them.
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If you used the Easy Group Transfer from Yahoo Groups, you probably have many such accounts. Once they do receive a group email, they could all go into bouncing at once. This could be a post to a different group, direct mail sent by a group admin (through the groups.io system), and actual Special Notice that you recently sent, or any notification/system message.
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Have you checked the Email Delivery History on any of these accounts? If the bounces originated from your own group, that should tell you something. If that turns up nothing, I'd send a separate message - using your own email address, outside of the group - to a few of these accounts. I suspect many - if not all - of those messages will bounce too, thus verifying there is no human on the other end.
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I acknowledge that much of the above is speculative, but lacking further information this is the best I can do.
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Hope this helps,
Bruce
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Re: Subscribers are receiving Bounce Probes...
The email account under which the groups.io account was established got one. That email is very seldom used to log in. I was surprised it got a bounce message ?
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Re: Subscribers are receiving Bounce Probes...
Bill, sorry I don¡¯t understand. Are you saying that you have seen this problem for your listserv?
The problem: 100¡¯s of our subscribers have received the Bounce Probe message, most have been suspicious and have trashed it. I have no way to communicate to them en masse to tell them to click on the link.?
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On Mar 23, 2025, at 9:01?PM, Bill Davis Admin via groups.io <BillyRandKarenBDavis@...> wrote:
Our owner email account got a bounce message.?
it is seldom used since it is an official club email account. Admins have their own email address.?
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Re: Subscribers are receiving Bounce Probes...
Our owner email account got a bounce message.?
it is seldom used since it is an official club email account. Admins have their own email address.?
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Re: Subscribers are receiving Bounce Probes...
Thanks Duane, good point that bouncing is an account status.
But, this happened to 100¡¯s of my subscribers, I¡¯m very sure they are not on other listservs at Groups.io
Frankly, I¡¯m stumped. Looking for suggestions ?- Went to 100¡¯s of subscribers ?- Everyone should be suspect of any email saying ¡°Hey, urgent, click on this link¡¡±, so many have not clicked. ?- I think they are no longer receiving our listserv mail, so I cannot do a mass mailing saying ¡°OK, click on the link"
Any suggestions?
Very confusing.?
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On Mar 23, 2025, at 7:46?AM, Duane via groups.io <txpigeon@...> wrote:
On Sun, Mar 23, 2025 at 06:34 AM, Richard Karash wrote:
Any ideas what's going on? And, members receiving this notice seem to be still getting mail; should I advice subscribers to ignore? or to click the "Restore" link?
Bouncing is an account status.? The message(s) could have bounced on another group.? Always use the Restore link when it's received.
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Bill KG5IG,
Each Subgroup would need to be edited...? ?Cut-n-Paste...
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73 Dallas N4DDM
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Bill KG5IG,
Yes...? Simply go to your group and follow this path...
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Home > Admin > Preferences > Settings > Message Formatting > Message Footer Window...? Just add the text you want and Update Group...
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Re: Subscribers are receiving Bounce Probes...
On Sun, Mar 23, 2025 at 06:34 AM, Richard Karash wrote:
Any ideas what's going on? And, members receiving this notice seem to be still getting mail; should I advice subscribers to ignore? or to click the "Restore" link?
Bouncing is an account status.? The message(s) could have bounced on another group.? Always use the Restore link when it's received.
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Subscribers are receiving Bounce Probes...
During the past few days, many of our subscribes are getting Bounce Probe messages. Message says, "Emails to you have bounced back... ?You must take action to restore your account... ?Click here..."
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But, when I check their delivery history, the most recent unsuccessful attempt is several days old and is a delay, not a bounce. Like this for 3/18, for subscriber who got the Bounce Probe 3/22:
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| mx03.earthlink-vadesecure.net: 450 4.2.0 Message temporarily rejected - ELNK001_512 - https://postmaster-earthlink.vadesecure.com/inbound_error_codes/#_512 |
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Any ideas what's going on? And, members receiving this notice seem to be still getting mail; should I advice subscribers to ignore? or to click the "Restore" link?
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TIA.
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Thanks for the reply. Thats what I suspected. Just need to add signatures and website.?
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Duane
Bruce Bowman
Bill Davis Admin
Dallas N4DDM