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Mark has announced some changes that will be going into effect soon, ? The big change is that Premium groups now have 20GB of storage (no change for Basic or Enterprise.)? The other is that Basic (free) groups created after next Wednesday, January 15, will not be able to create subgroups (existing Basic groups will be grandfathered in.) Duane -- GMF's Wiki: /g/GroupManagersForum/wikiHelp: /static/helpSearch button at the top of Messages list A few site FAQs: /static/pricing#frequently-asked-questions
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I'm a GIO-newbie having brought over a family history list from Rootsweb. I actually brought over two lists, one covered a geographical subset of the other so I created the subset as a subgroup. As I'm on the basic/free plan this change will affect me ...
Can someone please explain what 'grandfathering in' means? I have looked in the GMF wiki but maybe need to look further in the documentation.
I don't fully understand GIO yet but I will say that I like what I have seen :-)
Malcolm.?
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"Grandfathering" means that the restrictions part of the new rules applies only to newly created groups. No capabilities are removed from groups which already exist. Specifically, your existiong subgroups will be fine, and your current basic groups can continue to create new subgroups.
I think of my own grandfather with this word. He started to drive before there was any driving test in Britain, possibly even before there was a driving licence. He was never required to pass a driving test, even 50 years later: his right to the driving licence was grandfathered in.
? - Mark (not that Mark, of course)
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Grandfathering means that the change will not affect previously created groups.? They will continue under the old policy.
? Bob
I'm a GIO-newbie having brought over a family history list from Rootsweb. I actually brought over two lists, one covered a geographical subset of the other so I created the subset as a subgroup. As I'm on the basic/free plan this change will affect me ...
Can someone please explain what 'grandfathering in' means? I have looked in the GMF wiki but maybe need to look further in the documentation.
I don't fully understand GIO yet but I will say that I like what I have seen :-)
Malcolm.?
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Ouch! This throws a big wrench?into my plans as I'm just doing initial?testing an have only created one subgroup.? I anticipate the need for many and as this is strictly a volunteer effort I don't have any funding source to pay for premium.? I hate the idea of rushing to create a whole bunch of subgroups which may or may not be actually be needed in the future but at the moment I don't see any alternative.
June
Grandfathering means that the change will not affect previously created groups.? They will continue under the old policy.
? Bob
I'm a GIO-newbie having brought over a family history list from Rootsweb. I actually brought over two lists, one covered a geographical subset of the other so I created the subset as a subgroup. As I'm on the basic/free plan this change will affect me ...
Can someone please explain what 'grandfathering in' means? I have looked in the GMF wiki but maybe need to look further in the documentation.
I don't fully understand GIO yet but I will say that I like what I have seen :-)
Malcolm.?
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On Sat, Jan 11, 2020 at 11:35 AM, June Genis wrote:
I hate the idea of rushing to create a whole bunch of subgroups which may or may not be actually be needed in the future but at the moment I don't see any alternative.
As long as you already have the main group, you can still create and delete subgroups as you want, even after the deadline.? If you might want other main/sub groups, you'd need to create the main group now. Duane -- GMF's Wiki: /g/GroupManagersForum/wikiHelp: /static/helpSearch button at the top of Messages list A few site FAQs: /static/pricing#frequently-asked-questions
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Thanks, Duane.? I see now that I misread the original announcement.? I don't think I'm going to need another?main group but I'm going to give a lot of thought to structure before the deadline.
June
On Sat, Jan 11, 2020 at 11:35 AM, June Genis wrote:
I hate the idea of rushing to create a whole bunch of subgroups which may or may not be actually be needed in the future but at the moment I don't see any alternative.
As long as you already have the main group, you can still create and delete subgroups as you want, even after the deadline.? If you might want other main/sub groups, you'd need to create the main group now.
Duane
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Thanks Mark and Robert for the explanation of the term. It's a usage I'm not familar with.
I will procede with my plans for other subgroups for logical geographical sub-parts of the county.
Malcolm.
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I'm a GIO-newbie having brought over a family history list from Rootsweb. I actually brought over two lists, one covered a geographical subset of the other so I created the subset as a subgroup. As I'm on the basic/free plan this change will affect me ...
Can someone please explain what 'grandfathering in' means? I have looked in the GMF wiki but maybe need to look further in the documentation.
I don't fully understand GIO yet but I will say that I like what I have seen :-)
Malcolm.?
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June, I hate the idea of rushing to create a whole bunch of subgroups which
may or may not be actually be needed in the future but at the moment I
don't see any alternative. There is no need. Your primary group was created before the 15th, so its ability to create new subgroups will be "grandfathered in" - not just the specific subgroups you have now. Shal -- Help: /static/helpMore Help: /g/GroupManagersForum/wikiEven More Help: Search button at the top of Messages list
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Duane,
It appears the 20GB storage change has taken affect, as my group now shows the increase.
Don
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Shal
Can you confirm that a message sent out on a Main group will automatically reach everyone on all sub-groups?
thanks
Jeff
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-----Original Message----- From: [email protected] < [email protected]> On Behalf Of Shal Farley Sent: 11 January 2020 21:15 To: [email protected]Subject: Re: [GMF] GIO changes from Mark June, > I hate the idea of rushing to create a whole bunch of subgroups which > may or may not be actually be needed in the future but at the moment I > don't see any alternative. There is no need. Your primary group was created before the 15th, so its ability to create new subgroups will be "grandfathered in" - not just the specific subgroups you have now. Shal -- Help: /static/helpMore Help: /g/GroupManagersForum/wikiEven More Help: Search button at the top of Messages list
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If I understand the system correctly, it's not possible to be in a subgroup without also being in the main group. That said, it does seem possible to receive subgroup emails but set nomail for the main group emails.
Malcolm.
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Not Shal, but delivery of messages for individual members are governed by their own subscription.
So if someone is ¡°no mail¡± or special notices only for the main group, they will not receive them.?
Since all subgroup members must be members of the main group, they have the capability of receiving them. They may not choose to.
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Shal?
Can you confirm that a message sent out on a Main group will automatically reach everyone on all sub-groups?
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Jeff, What Malcolm and Frances said: the subgroups operate as independent groups, except that each subgroup member must also be a member of the primary group. Messages posted only to one do not post to the other. So the messages a subgroup member receives will depend on their subscription settings in each of the subgroup and the primary group. Shal -- Help: /static/helpMore Help: /g/GroupManagersForum/wikiEven More Help: Search button at the top of Messages list
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Thanks, Shal
If we set the main group as an 'announcement group' so that only owners and moderators can post to it, and set 'Disable No Email' that should mean that everyone on any sub-group should get receive any emails sent on it. Have I got that right?
That should mean that the everyday business of discussion, questions and replies can be carried on in sub-groups.
Jeff
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-----Original Message----- From: [email protected] < [email protected]> On Behalf Of Shal Farley Sent: 11 January 2020 23:15 To: [email protected]Subject: Re: [GMF] GIO changes from Mark Jeff, What Malcolm and Frances said: the subgroups operate as independent groups, except that each subgroup member must also be a member of the primary group. Messages posted only to one do not post to the other. So the messages a subgroup member receives will depend on their subscription settings in each of the subgroup and the primary group. Shal -- Help: /static/helpMore Help: /g/GroupManagersForum/wikiEven More Help: Search button at the top of Messages list
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I personally don't see any problems with the change; it may be that 'sub-groups' were a way to avoid the limits on storage. I dont know for sure; but it seems reasonable to actually limit free access if that is why.
regards d
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Jeff, If we set the main group as an 'announcement group' so that only
owners and moderators can post to it, and set 'Disable No Email' that
should mean that everyone on any sub-group should get receive any
emails sent on it. Have I got that right? In that case if you post it as a special notice it will be sent to everyone on the primary group. And that's true regardless of whether the primary group is set to Announcement Group. "Receive" is somewhat more slippery, as a given member's email service may reject a given message, or deliver it to Spam, or the member may fail to notice or open it. There's nothing really to be done about those factors. That should mean that the everyday business of discussion, questions
and replies can be carried on in sub-groups. Sure. That's true of the primary group as well, if you want to allow some discussions there that transcend the focus of any given subgroup. Too, subgroups can have Special Notices of their own, if need be. Shal -- Help: /static/helpMore Help: /g/GroupManagersForum/wikiEven More Help: Search button at the top of Messages list
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Thanks. It is a learning curve.
I have a different question on how to set a profile on a sub-group that is different from the profile on a primary group ( reflecting different roles). As far as I have found it is possible for owners to do this, but not for ordinary members. Should that be a new topic?
Jeff
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-----Original Message----- From: [email protected] < [email protected]> On Behalf Of Shal Farley Sent: 11 January 2020 23:39 To: [email protected]Subject: Re: [GMF] GIO changes from Mark Jeff, > If we set the main group as an 'announcement group' so that only > owners and moderators can post to it, and set 'Disable No Email' that > should mean that everyone on any sub-group should get receive any > emails sent on it. Have I got that right? In that case if you post it as a special notice it will be sent to everyone on the primary group. And that's true regardless of whether the primary group is set to Announcement Group. "Receive" is somewhat more slippery, as a given member's email service may reject a given message, or deliver it to Spam, or the member may fail to notice or open it. There's nothing really to be done about those factors. > That should mean that the everyday business of discussion, questions > and replies can be carried on in sub-groups. Sure. That's true of the primary group as well, if you want to allow some discussions there that transcend the focus of any given subgroup. Too, subgroups can have Special Notices of their own, if need be. Shal
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I'm not sure what Mark is fixing or addressing y the change.? ? If <new list> can't make a subgroup, wouldn't they just go and make another free group???
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Duane
Mark Irving
Shal Farley
Don Grass
Frances
John McLachlan