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Chris Jones All Messages By This Member #27497 On Sun, Jan 12, 2020 at 05:57 PM, John McLachlan wrote: If <new list> can't make a subgroup, wouldn't they just go and make another free group??? Oops; I think you may have spotted a loophole! Chris
John McLachlan All Messages By This Member #27521 Well, wasn't looking for a loophole - was curious if we knew what Mark's goal was with the change.? (could just be changing features for free accounts)
Jim Allen All Messages By This Member #27522 This is great news.? Raising the group space to 20GB.? ? Is it too late to move a group from Yahoo? Since the space has increased, will sub-goups space used be accumulated into the parent group?? That would be great if it did.? I have a group and want to load stuff in two sub-groups but they will be reference only but both are over 1GB but will be for history and research only. Jim
Shal Farley Member Profile All Messages By This Member #27527 Jim, Is it too late to move a group from Yahoo? That depends on how much "prep" work you've done. It is too late to use the Easy Yahoo Group Transfer method, and it is too late to use PG Offline or similar tools to download the Yahoo Group content. You still have until Jan 31st to request a Get My Data download from Yahoo. If you already have a PG Offline download you're in pretty good shape with regard to Files and Photos. If you already have a Get My Data download you're in great shape with regard to Messages. See this wiki page for more details: /g/GroupManagersForum/wiki/Moving-to-Groups.io I have a group and want to load stuff in two sub-groups but they will be reference only but both are over 1GB but will be for history and research only. Note that the increase was only for groups on a Premium plan. Basic (free) groups still have a 1 GB limit. Since the space has increased, will sub-goups space used be accumulated into the parent group? I believe that the original intent was that the storage limit would apply to the sum of the storage in the primary and its subgroups. That hasn't been the case though, and each subgroup has been counting against its own limit. So the answer going forward is murky: I think of the current situation as a "bug" that's bound to get fixed one day. Shal -- Help: /static/help More Help: /g/GroupManagersForum/wiki Even More Help: Search button at the top of Messages list
Laurence Marks All Messages By This Member #27528 Shal Farley wrote: If you already have a PG Offline download you're in pretty good shape with regard to Files and Photos. If you already have a Get My Data download you're in great shape with regard to Messages. If you have a PG Offline download, you will soon be able to upload it?with all your attachments to Groups.io. I have (I believe) gotten past the last obstacle, a single message that was being rejected by Groups.io. I'm testing a version of a companion program to PG Offline by the same firm. Larry
Samuel Murray All Messages By This Member #27536 On 11/01/2020 23:39, Jeff Coleman via Groups.Io wrote: Can you confirm that a message sent out on a Main group will automatically reach everyone on all sub-groups? Your question is slightly ambiguous even though you may not have intended it to be. No, a message sent to the main group will not be sent to all subgroups. Yes, a message sent to the main group will "reach" all members of the main group (depending on their subscription settings for the main group) -- and since everyone in a subgroup must also be a member of the main group, "everyone on all subgroups" will receive it, but they won't receive it on the subgroups. I'm not sure if one can subscribe a subgroup to the main group directly (so that the subgroup would receive all mails that are sent to the main group). Samuel
Samuel Murray All Messages By This Member #27537 On 13/01/2020 03:19, Laurence Marks wrote: If you have a PG Offline download, you will soon be able to upload it with all your attachments to Groups.io. It is my understanding that the new companion program from PG Offline does not upload messages to Groups.io, but forwards messages to Groups.io. Samuel
Laurence Marks All Messages By This Member #27543 Samuel, I believe you are incorrect, but it could be a matter of definitions. Let's use these: Upload: Messages from Yahoo Groups which have been captured on an individual's computer are transferred by any means to appear as individual messages on a group in Groups,io. Forwarded: Messages sent to another address will be relayed to Groups.io Using those definitions, the messages are uploaded. There are some differences, both positive and negative, from the appearance that you would get if the group had always been in Groups.io. Negative: The messages appear to have all been posted by one individual, although the real originator appears in the first line, hence visible in the preview. Positive: Every message is posted?with all its attachments, something that Groups.io's transfer does not support. Over 1/4 of our messages had attachments, so preservation or a means for reconstruction was a requirement. Positive: The Groups.io message numbers match the Yahoo message numbers so any embedded references remain correct. This includes compensation for deleted messages.
Laurence Marks All Messages By This Member #27544 Another intriguing thought. Samuel, your use of the word "Forwarding" is intriguing. Suppose someone with a Yahoo group does not wish to move to Groups.io but would like an ongoing online archive available to all users. The Yahoo owner could create a Groups.io group and subscribe it to the Yahoo group, providing a searchable archive without affecting the subscribed users at all. I suppose I could have done this, but my plan is to move the users over and close the Yahoo group today or tomorrow. Larry Larry
Duane All Messages By This Member #27546 On Mon, Jan 13, 2020 at 08:54 AM, Laurence Marks wrote: Positive: Every message is posted?with all its attachments, something that Groups.io's transfer does not support. Over 1/4 of our messages had attachments, so preservation or a means for reconstruction was a requirement. Uploading the attachments and adding a link to the message would also serve as "a means for reconstruction" and is free. Positive: The Groups.io message numbers match the Yahoo message numbers so any embedded references remain correct. This includes compensation for deleted messages. But ONLY for a group/subgroup that has never had ANY messages posted.? While the message numbers would be correct, any links wouldn't since they'd point to the YG, unless those are also fixed.? (BTW, Larry's message and this one refer to the P2G utility, $50 minimum [once promised for free].) Duane -- GMF's Wiki: /g/GroupManagersForum/wiki Help: /static/help Search button at the top of Messages list A few site FAQs: /static/pricing#frequently-asked-questions
Samuel Murray All Messages By This Member #27553 On 13/01/2020 15:46, Laurence Marks wrote: I believe you are incorrect, but it could be a matter of definitions. Let's use these: Upload: Messages from Yahoo Groups which have been captured on an individual's computer are transferred by any means to appear as individual messages on a group in Groups,io. Forwarded: Messages sent to another address will be relayed to Groups.io Yes, I suppose it's a matter of definitions. To my mind, "forward" in this context means that an existing message is added to the IO group using SMTP or a similar service. "upload" means that the messages are added as files, usually via an upload dialog in the browser or possibly via the API, and "import" means that the content is added to the group in such a way that they are stored in a different format. Okay, I'm sure there are holes in these definitions (for example, when the IO developers add messages to a group's actual archive by converting MBOX files, I could call that "importing", but mortals can't do that). Using those definitions, the messages are uploaded. It is my understanding that both PG Offline's new tool and Lena's method use SMTP to "upload" the messages. Hence my label "forwarding". The messages end up in the IO group's message archive, and currently the only way to upload messages into that message archive is by sending it as an actual e-mail (I'm not sure about the new API). I'm not dissing the PG Offline tool or Lena's script. One advantage of using such an approach would be to ensure that added messages are grouped together properly into "topics", as they are called on IO groups. Messages that were added to groups via the Easy Transfer method do not get sorted into topics even if they have identical subject lines and were posted shortly after each other. I'm sure this can still be fixed by the IO groups developers. == In another post I mentioned redirection as an alternative to forwarding, but I got to a point where IO groups started doing odd things to my mails and could not figure out why. Redirection retains the original poster as the actual original sender, and it retains both threading and the original posting date in mail programs (although that is only relevant for people who download the message archives). Samuel
Laurence Marks All Messages By This Member #27555 Samuel, PGO-2-GIO is using HTTP. Note that both HTTP and SMTP have the unfortunate effect of making every post appear as it came from one individual. Larry On Monday, January 13, 2020, 11:45:55 AM EST, Samuel Murray <samuelmurray@...> wrote: On 13/01/2020 15:46, Laurence Marks wrote: > I believe you are incorrect, but it could be a matter of definitions. >? Let's use these: > > Upload: Messages from Yahoo Groups which have been captured on an > individual's computer are transferred by any means to appear as > individual messages on a group in Groups,io. > > Forwarded: Messages sent to another address will be relayed to > Groups.io Yes, I suppose it's a matter of definitions. To my mind, "forward" in this context means that an existing message is added to the IO group using SMTP or a similar service.? "upload" means that the messages are added as files, usually via an upload dialog in the browser or possibly via the API, and "import" means that the content is added to the group in such a way that they are stored in a different format. Okay, I'm sure there are holes in these definitions (for example, when the IO developers add messages to a group's actual archive by converting MBOX files, I could call that "importing", but mortals can't do that). > Using those definitions, the messages are uploaded. It is my understanding that both PG Offline's new tool and Lena's method use SMTP to "upload" the messages.? Hence my label "forwarding".? The messages end up in the IO group's message archive, and currently the only way to upload messages into that message archive is by sending it as an actual e-mail (I'm not sure about the new API). I'm not dissing the PG Offline tool or Lena's script.? One advantage of using such an approach would be to ensure that added messages are grouped together properly into "topics", as they are called on IO groups.? Messages that were added to groups via the Easy Transfer method do not get sorted into topics even if they have identical subject lines and were posted shortly after each other.? I'm sure this can still be fixed by the IO groups developers. == In another post I mentioned redirection as an alternative to forwarding, but I got to a point where IO groups started doing odd things to my mails and could not figure out why.? Redirection retains the original poster as the actual original sender, and it retains both threading and the original posting date in mail programs (although that is only relevant for people who download the message archives). Samuel
Christos Psarras Member Profile All Messages By This Member #27568 On 2020-01-13 01:43, Samuel Murray via Groups.Io wrote: I'm not sure if one can subscribe a subgroup to the main group directly (so that the subgroup would receive all mails that are sent to the main group). No, GIO will give you an "Invalid Email Address" error if you try to DirectAdd (or send a join invitation to) a GIO subgroup email address. (or top-level group for that matter) However, if one wants to have it to where a special notice sent on the main group also gets automatically sent to one or more of the subgroups, one could set up a system using a Google account and forwarding to accomplish this; not the most elegant solution but it can work. Cheers, Christos
David All Messages By This Member #27668 On 13 Jan 2020, at 14:54, Laurence Marks <marks@...> wrote: Suppose someone with a Yahoo group does not wish to move to Groups.io but would like an ongoing online archive available to all users. The Yahoo owner could create a Groups.io group and subscribe it to the Yahoo group, providing a searchable archive without affecting the subscribed users at all. This used to be a recognised way of backing-up a Yahoo Group with a Google Group. Google ditched the facility about the time Melissa Mayer left to head-up Yahoo. David 1/2d
Christos Psarras Member Profile All Messages By This Member #27825 开云体育 Samuel, >>> Messages that were added to groups via the Easy Transfer method do not get sorted into topics even if they have identical subject lines and were posted shortly after each other.? I'm sure this can still be fixed by the IO groups developers. <<< That's weird, are your group's messages public-viewable?? If yes, I'd like to look at them, I'm curious as all 6 groups I had done through Easy Transfer are threading correctly (although private, but I attached a screenshot from one), maybe something went wrong with your group's import? Cheers, Christos 0.jpg

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