Re: Upgrading Gemini L6 to L6.02 or L6.12
Thanks Chip and Paul,
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It looks like I'm going to get some clear weather for the next couple of nights.? I'll upgrade to Level 6.12, reset the HGM to defaults, double check revesal check boxes on hand controller, web interface, etc.? Provide logs if it still failing.? I will let you know the results.
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Thanks,
Mike
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Re: Gemini 2 handset will not connect to Gemini 2
So many things can go wrong, for sure it is always
good to be able to swap HC and mainboard for faster diagnostics.
Thinking about this, the simplest way to produce this symptom (HC
tries to connect and reboots after a while) is to plug in the HC
cable into the wrong serial port with different bit rate
settings...
So the Ethernet test may help, but not sufficiently for all
possible reasons.
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Am 20.04.25 um 18:13 schrieb Mtn Goat
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The ability to operate Gemini via Ethernet does not
prove the Gemini is good. The buffer circuit in Gemini for the
HC could still be bad.
Helpful if someone could loan their HC to Jay for
testing?
On Apr 20, 2025, at 10:00?AM, Chip Louie
via groups.io <chiplouie@...> wrote:
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On Sun, Apr 20, 2025 at 06:26 AM, Jay Freeman wrote:
In January I retrofitted my old G-11 to Gemini 2. The
Gemini 2 worked the first two times I had it out but
tonight it failed during startup. It made it past
recognizing the (Losmandy's) GPS unit but hung when I
pushed "Next". On turning the power switch off and back
on, it made it past initializing the hand controller,
but after a few seconds of trying to connect to the
gemini, the controller screen went black, and then the
colored start-up screen appeared, just as if I had
cycled power.
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This behavior repeats indefinitely no matter what I
do -- initialize, fail to connect to Gemini, back to
start-up screen, repeat ...
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I have turned the Gemini power switch off and on many
times and also disconnected and reconnected the battery
many times. I have tried three different batteries and
two different power cords. I also disconnected and
reconnected all cables many times, and tried it without
the GPS unit connected. No luck.
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I have not yet opened either case for any purpose:
The unit has the same internal battery, the same SD
cards (thus far un-reseated by me) and the same software
as when Losmandy delivered it.
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I thought I should ask advice before I proceeded
further. Any suggestions?
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Open the case up and remove and reseat the micro SD
card.? Power up and see if the Gemini boots normally.? If it
does not contact Losmandy on Monday you may have a bad micro
SD card.??
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Oh,. I forgot to ask as it seems like a long shot but can
you talk to the Gemini using the Ethernet port?? If so this
would mostly isolate the issue to the HC and cable.??
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Chip
Louie Chief Daydreamer Imagination Hardware?
Astrospheric - South Pasadena, CA?
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Re: Gemini 2 handset will not connect to Gemini 2
On Sun, Apr 20, 2025 at 09:14 AM, Mtn Goat wrote:
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The ability to operate Gemini via Ethernet does not prove the Gemini is good. The buffer circuit in Gemini for the HC could still be bad.
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Helpful if someone could loan their HC to Jay for testing?
On Apr 20, 2025, at 10:00?AM, Chip Louie via groups.io <chiplouie@...> wrote:
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On Sun, Apr 20, 2025 at 06:26 AM, Jay Freeman wrote:
In January I retrofitted my old G-11 to Gemini 2. The Gemini 2 worked the first two times I had it out but tonight it failed during startup. It made it past recognizing the (Losmandy's) GPS unit but hung when I pushed "Next". On turning the power switch off and back on, it made it past initializing the hand controller, but after a few seconds of trying to connect to the gemini, the controller screen went black, and then the colored start-up screen appeared, just as if I had cycled power.
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This behavior repeats indefinitely no matter what I do -- initialize, fail to connect to Gemini, back to start-up screen, repeat ...
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I have turned the Gemini power switch off and on many times and also disconnected and reconnected the battery many times. I have tried three different batteries and two different power cords. I also disconnected and reconnected all cables many times, and tried it without the GPS unit connected. No luck.
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I have not yet opened either case for any purpose: The unit has the same internal battery, the same SD cards (thus far un-reseated by me) and the same software as when Losmandy delivered it.
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I thought I should ask advice before I proceeded further. Any suggestions?
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Open the case up and remove and reseat the micro SD card.? Power up and see if the Gemini boots normally.? If it does not contact Losmandy on Monday you may have a bad micro SD card.??
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Oh,. I forgot to ask as it seems like a long shot but can you talk to the Gemini using the Ethernet port?? If so this would mostly isolate the issue to the HC and cable.??
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Chip Louie Chief Daydreamer Imagination Hardware?
Astrospheric - South Pasadena, CA?
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Which is why I said "mostly" isolated to the HC and cable.? Even if all the HC circuit I/O on the Gemini had failed they could still operate their mount using Gemini 2 over the Ethernet port via router or other Ethernet toWi-Fi or BT bridge device like SkyFi or Nexus II.? But the main point was to isolate and go from there.??
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Chip Louie Chief Daydreamer Imagination Hardware?
Astrospheric - South Pasadena, CA?
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Re: Upgrading Gemini L6 to L6.02 or L6.12
Mike, I think you should try to upgrade to the latest firmware and then, reset to defaults, like Chip suggested. There was nothing that I¡¯m aware of in 6.02 or later releases that should affect DEC motion, except for possibly the reversal setting.
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if you do and try calibration and it still fails, please change trace setting to maximum and generate and share the ASCOM driver log, as that could help figure out what¡¯s going on:
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On Sun, Apr 20, 2025 at 10:28 AM, Michael Broyles wrote:
Paul,
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I checked the setting of the boxes when and they were not checked.? At the moment the scope is not setup due to weather, so any additional analysis of the issues will have to wait.? One note, is that these checkbox were not available under the Level 6.02 firmware.
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Mike
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Re: Gemini 2 handset will not connect to Gemini 2
The ability to operate Gemini via Ethernet does not prove the Gemini is good. The buffer circuit in Gemini for the HC could still be bad.
Helpful if someone could loan their HC to Jay for testing?
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On Apr 20, 2025, at 10:00?AM, Chip Louie via groups.io <chiplouie@...> wrote:
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On Sun, Apr 20, 2025 at 06:26 AM, Jay Freeman wrote:
In January I retrofitted my old G-11 to Gemini 2. The Gemini 2 worked the first two times I had it out but tonight it failed during startup. It made it past recognizing the (Losmandy's) GPS unit but hung when I pushed "Next". On turning the power switch off and back on, it made it past initializing the hand controller, but after a few seconds of trying to connect to the gemini, the controller screen went black, and then the colored start-up screen appeared, just as if I had cycled power.
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This behavior repeats indefinitely no matter what I do -- initialize, fail to connect to Gemini, back to start-up screen, repeat ...
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I have turned the Gemini power switch off and on many times and also disconnected and reconnected the battery many times. I have tried three different batteries and two different power cords. I also disconnected and reconnected all cables many times, and tried it without the GPS unit connected. No luck.
?
I have not yet opened either case for any purpose: The unit has the same internal battery, the same SD cards (thus far un-reseated by me) and the same software as when Losmandy delivered it.
?
I thought I should ask advice before I proceeded further. Any suggestions?
?
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Open the case up and remove and reseat the micro SD card.? Power up and see if the Gemini boots normally.? If it does not contact Losmandy on Monday you may have a bad micro SD card.??
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Oh,. I forgot to ask as it seems like a long shot but can you talk to the Gemini using the Ethernet port?? If so this would mostly isolate the issue to the HC and cable.??
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--
Chip Louie Chief Daydreamer Imagination Hardware?
Astrospheric - South Pasadena, CA?
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Re: Gemini 2 handset will not connect to Gemini 2
On Sun, Apr 20, 2025 at 06:26 AM, Jay Freeman wrote:
In January I retrofitted my old G-11 to Gemini 2. The Gemini 2 worked the first two times I had it out but tonight it failed during startup. It made it past recognizing the (Losmandy's) GPS unit but hung when I pushed "Next". On turning the power switch off and back on, it made it past initializing the hand controller, but after a few seconds of trying to connect to the gemini, the controller screen went black, and then the colored start-up screen appeared, just as if I had cycled power.
?
This behavior repeats indefinitely no matter what I do -- initialize, fail to connect to Gemini, back to start-up screen, repeat ...
?
I have turned the Gemini power switch off and on many times and also disconnected and reconnected the battery many times. I have tried three different batteries and two different power cords. I also disconnected and reconnected all cables many times, and tried it without the GPS unit connected. No luck.
?
I have not yet opened either case for any purpose: The unit has the same internal battery, the same SD cards (thus far un-reseated by me) and the same software as when Losmandy delivered it.
?
I thought I should ask advice before I proceeded further. Any suggestions?
?
?
Open the case up and remove and reseat the micro SD card.? Power up and see if the Gemini boots normally.? If it does not contact Losmandy on Monday you may have a bad micro SD card.??
?
Oh,. I forgot to ask as it seems like a long shot but can you talk to the Gemini using the Ethernet port?? If so this would mostly isolate the issue to the HC and cable.??
?
--
Chip Louie Chief Daydreamer Imagination Hardware?
Astrospheric - South Pasadena, CA?
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Re: Upgrading Gemini L6 to L6.02 or L6.12
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Hi Mike,?
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I know there was a way to reverse the direction of travel in L5.x through the web server UI but it must not have been an option visible in the HC until L6.x.? AFAIK users have always been able to reverse direction at least in L5.x or the folks who installed the Mclennan gearboxes could not have done so.?
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Chip Louie Chief Daydreamer Imagination Hardware?
Astrospheric - South Pasadena, CA?
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Re: Upgrading Gemini L6 to L6.02 or L6.12
Paul,
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I checked the setting of the boxes when and they were not checked.? At the moment the scope is not setup due to weather, so any additional analysis of the issues will have to wait.? One note, is that these checkbox were not available under the Level 6.02 firmware.
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Mike
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Re: Gemini 2 handset will not connect to Gemini 2
Jay,
It looks as if the bootloader has difficulties to access the SD
card and delays the startup of the main board, while the HC is
waiting and trying to communicate again and again. If your board
still has the old bootloader, there is a new one available working
well with newer and higher capacity SD cards. Or maybe just
carefully positioning the SD card or even taking it out of its
holder helps.
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Am 20.04.25 um 10:59 schrieb Jay
Freeman via groups.io:
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In January I retrofitted my old G-11 to Gemini 2. The Gemini
2 worked the first two times I had it out but tonight it failed
during startup. It made it past recognizing the (Losmandy's) GPS
unit but hung when I pushed "Next". On turning the power switch
off and back on, it made it past initializing the hand
controller, but after a few seconds of trying to connect to the
gemini, the controller screen went black, and then the colored
start-up screen appeared, just as if I had cycled power.
This behavior repeats indefinitely no matter what I do --
initialize, fail to connect to Gemini, back to start-up screen,
repeat ...
I have turned the Gemini power switch off and on many times
and also disconnected and reconnected the battery many times. I
have tried three different batteries and two different power
cords. I also disconnected and reconnected all cables many
times, and tried it without the GPS unit connected. No luck.
I have not yet opened either case for any purpose: The unit
has the same internal battery, the same SD cards (thus far
un-reseated by me) and the same software as when Losmandy
delivered it.
I thought I should ask advice before I proceeded further. Any
suggestions?
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Gemini 2 handset will not connect to Gemini 2
In January I retrofitted my old G-11 to Gemini 2. The Gemini 2 worked the first two times I had it out but tonight it failed during startup. It made it past recognizing the (Losmandy's) GPS unit but hung when I pushed "Next". On turning the power switch off and back on, it made it past initializing the hand controller, but after a few seconds of trying to connect to the gemini, the controller screen went black, and then the colored start-up screen appeared, just as if I had cycled power.
This behavior repeats indefinitely no matter what I do -- initialize, fail to connect to Gemini, back to start-up screen, repeat ...
I have turned the Gemini power switch off and on many times and also disconnected and reconnected the battery many times. I have tried three different batteries and two different power cords. I also disconnected and reconnected all cables many times, and tried it without the GPS unit connected. No luck.
I have not yet opened either case for any purpose: The unit has the same internal battery, the same SD cards (thus far un-reseated by me) and the same software as when Losmandy delivered it.
I thought I should ask advice before I proceeded further. Any suggestions?
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G'morning,
After building a model and setting limits last wknd., I was able to get some observing in last night. My Goto's were putting my object in the FOV of an 8mm/122x eyepiece. Although not quite centered. No biggie, as I'm awaiting some parts to do maintenance, clean, regrease, etc. I'll re-model, PA, and balance then. But here is my query. I wanted to go to Beta Monoceritis, a very pretty triple star. In the catalogs I didn't know where to look for it. I didn't know the SAO number or the STF designation for it. Thanks to Sky Safari on my phone I was able to get that info and away I went. Many of my Double Star lists, Atlases don't have SAO's or are not in the STF( STT, Bu ) Anyway, is there a catalog for Bayer designations, Alpha, Beta, Gamma, etc.? Most of the catalogs in the HC are easy( I am not connected to a PC yet, HC only ), Messier, NGC, Caldwell, but what are "Combined_Constellation_Stars", or PN( Planetary Nebula? ) catalogs? An explanation of the various catalogs would be a nice feature on the Gem 2 Website and a tutorial on how to use them. I do a lot of outreach and right now it is Galaxy season. Unless you have a light bucket, Galaxies are boring to show/look at. While double stars are a fun objects to show people, especially with different/contrasty colors. Iota Cas is another good one. I guess my question really is, Which catalog do I look for Bayer designations in? I know I can build my own catalogs, but I'm not ready to do that.
Kevin
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Re: Gemini BOOTLOADER update available
Tthe version is correct, but it sounds like you may have some installation issues if the program crashes when switching to the debug tab. Can you try doing a complete uninstall and then reinstall? Don¡¯t just delete files, use Windows to uninstall it.
On Sat, Apr 19, 2025 at 04:20 PM, WayBack wrote:
Paul,
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I show under the Help tab the revision as: nVision V5.42.0.0
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At step one, the link requested user information and the device as "ulink2".? After filling this out, their system sent the file named MDKCM525.exe.? This I installed.? However, the instructions in message 28533 refer to some items I do not see.
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Also, I cannot reload Software Service Packs, or at least making the request appears to do nothing.
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Your right, it may look the same but if I'm off base on step one, I'm pretty much in a different place. ?Best to check and verify the version.
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On My device tab
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I'm not sure where or how to select or refer to NXP/LPC2388/ARM within.? I can edit the field, but this refers to a file.
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Pressing the Settings button above makes the program abend.
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Attempting to go to the Debug tab makes the program abend.
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This is all moot if this is a version or installation issue.? Best if you can confirm I obtained the correct tool?
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Thanks
Doug
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Re: Upgrading Gemini L6 to L6.02 or L6.12
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Try a HGM reset.to defaults?? There was a weird with the direction commands too.? Someone else had something like this.??
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Chip Louie Chief Daydreamer Imagination Hardware?
Astrospheric - South Pasadena, CA?
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Re: Upgrading Gemini L6 to L6.02 or L6.12
Did you uncheck the direction reversal settings under mount gearing page on the HC?
On Sat, Apr 19, 2025 at 09:27 PM, Michael Broyles wrote:
Chip,
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Thanks for the suggestions, I did use GFU to do the firmware updates for the main unit and the hand controller.? I will continue to troubleshoot this issue and if I determine the issue, I will post it here.
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FYI, I got no reason to believe that PEC is not working correctly.? The PEC run of PEMPro showed a reduction in the PEC error once the curve was uploaded to the mount.? This was measured using the main camera not the guide camera.
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It appears that PHD2 is getting different information from the Gemini firmware that is causing incorrect DEC guiding correction, so I need to figure that out what needs to happen to fix it.
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Thanks
Mike
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Re: Upgrading Gemini L6 to L6.02 or L6.12
Chip,
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Thanks for the suggestions, I did use GFU to do the firmware updates for the main unit and the hand controller.? I will continue to troubleshoot this issue and if I determine the issue, I will post it here.
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FYI, I got no reason to believe that PEC is not working correctly.? The PEC run of PEMPro showed a reduction in the PEC error once the curve was uploaded to the mount.? This was measured using the main camera not the guide camera.
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It appears that PHD2 is getting different information from the Gemini firmware that is causing incorrect DEC guiding correction, so I need to figure that out what needs to happen to fix it.
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Thanks
Mike
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Re: Upgrading Gemini L6 to L6.02 or L6.12
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Hi Michael,
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It's odd that PEC is not working. The L6.12 release was specifically reworked to correct a PEC weirdness and I'm sure Rene has tested it carefully.? So your gear choices likely have nothing to do with this issue.? I use the ASIAIR sans PEC so this is not something I should see.??
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But maybe there is some other weirdness going on. Did you use GFU to do your update or copy the file over using ftp and pointing the UI to point at and upload the new file?? If this is your method maybe something in here went sideways.? If you did not use GFU try it.? GFU is virtually foolproof, not that you're a fool but sometimes it helps to try something different of having issues.??
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Just trying to figure it out?
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Chip Louie Chief Daydreamer Imagination Hardware?
Astrospheric - South Pasadena, CA?
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Re: Gemini BOOTLOADER update available
Paul,
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I show under the Help tab the revision as: nVision V5.42.0.0
?
At step one, the link requested user information and the device as "ulink2".? After filling this out, their system sent the file named MDKCM525.exe.? This I installed.? However, the instructions in message 28533 refer to some items I do not see.
?
Also, I cannot reload Software Service Packs, or at least making the request appears to do nothing.
?
Your right, it may look the same but if I'm off base on step one, I'm pretty much in a different place. ?Best to check and verify the version.
?
On My device tab
?
?
I'm not sure where or how to select or refer to NXP/LPC2388/ARM within.? I can edit the field, but this refers to a file.
?
Pressing the Settings button above makes the program abend.
?
Attempting to go to the Debug tab makes the program abend.
?
This is all moot if this is a version or installation issue.? Best if you can confirm I obtained the correct tool?
?
?
Thanks
Doug
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Re: Gemini BOOTLOADER update available
Hi Doug,
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You can try to update the components by selecting Reload Software packs. What version of Keil uVision do you have installed?
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Re: Upgrading Gemini L6 to L6.02 or L6.12
Thanks Chip.
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I suspect that if you were working with Level 6.11, it will still work for Level 6.12.? The issue I'm having manifest itself on any firmware version greater than L6.00.
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Appreciated the feedback.
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Re: Gemini BOOTLOADER update available
On my following the directions for the Flash step, the processes returned this:
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These messages look different and I'd like to assume it did program but failed on some later issue.? As the mount functions as before.
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Attempts to repeat the flash returned.
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I attempted to uninstall and reinstall Keil_V5 and then repeat the same steps.? Yet now on attempting the Download Step I receive.
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*** Error: Project 'MB_BL_2024' requires 'ARM' Toolchain which is not installed.
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I just can't seem to get back to the instruction steps.??Do I need to proceed and if so, what can I now try?? Or did the ARM program install on that first attempt and change later re-install behavior???
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Doug
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Michael Broyles
Chip Louie
Paul Kanevsky