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Re: Fenbendazole very popular - is it toxic to humans?
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An MD who does their own research is an oxymoron. Most of the studies are paid by pharmaceutical companies. Didn't they say ivermectin was horse paste, yet was curing people, from covid? I would take chicken shit if I had cancer, and someone said it worked for them. But that is just me. By the way, I am in medicine. |
Re: Fenbendazole very popular - is it toxic to humans?
#medications
Personally, I would give the Budwig protocol time to work because adding drugs could interfere with the healing process. ? Dr. Budwig also warned about high doses of Vitamin C and other antioxidants. ? Many people have been cured without adding drugs to her oil-protein diet.?
Mebendazole is for humans, fenbendazole is for animals. ?The former is safer for humans, but still has some of the same side effects, depending on the dosage and prolonged use. ?Ivermectin is a completely different drug and has different mechanisms of action and a different safety profile. ?However, higher doses taken for a prolonged period of time can be a problem with this and for any drug. ? ?
Personally, I wouldn¡¯t take repurposed drugs without consulting a physician who has also thoroughly researched these drugs and can tell me what the risks are. ?If nothing else was working and I had run out of options, I¡¯d consider contacting Dr. Paul Marik, who has had success with some of these treatments. ?
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Re: Fenbendazole very popular - is it toxic to humans?
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A friend with dual doctorate has been following this for a while. He recommended that FEN BEN not be used as it is not fenbendazole and most likely fraudulent and might have a tiny amount but not the amount listed. He belongs to support group on Fakebook and he encountered many people who were getting worse on it and their cancer was spreading. If you go that route read from Joe Tippens' site.
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If you go that route and I personally would get the one from Veterinary suppliers. Some will sell it and some will require a prescription. At least you know what you are getting.
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Re: Fenbendazole very popular - is it toxic to humans?
#medications
I did the fenben thing for a bit in the summer of 2019. It did nothing for me but inflame my liver and irritate my stomach. I have also been a member of several alternative cancer groups, including the Joe Tippens group. What people seem to forget is that Tippens was doing a pharma study while he took the fenben. From what I see even in the JT group are a lot of failures, but less with those who are doing chemo as they seem to have better results. I do not consider fenben a standalone alternative, nor ivermectin, and I do not consider them compatible with Budwig because of the liver issues and poor gut health. You need a good liver and immune system to heal cancer. JMHO Rod in MN/USA On Wednesday, January 29, 2025 at 12:29:14 PM CST, Christine Ploeg via groups.io <chrissy.ploeg@...> wrote: It seems like ivermectin and fenbendazole are the new popular kids in the cancer world right now. Touted as ¡®non-toxic¡¯ at least compared to chemotherapy! While I full appreciate people¡¯s urgent desire to be rid of their Tumors, is it at the cost of a full healing by way of the Budwig protocol? Can people have it both ways?? |
Fenbendazole very popular - is it toxic to humans?
#medications
It seems like ivermectin and fenbendazole are the new popular kids in the cancer world right now. Touted as ¡®non-toxic¡¯ at least compared to chemotherapy! While I full appreciate people¡¯s urgent desire to be rid of their Tumors, is it at the cost of a full healing by way of the Budwig protocol? Can people have it both ways?? |
Re: Gotten worse
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On Jan 19, 2025, at 4:22?PM, Rod Holmgren via groups.io <s4sindus@...> wrote:
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Re: Gotten worse
Marilyn posted up my typical juice recipe. As far as current protocol, I am still juicing and will for the rest of my life. It is the most nutritious thing I get most of the time. I haven't done anything else BP for a couple of years, but am thinking of restarting with the FO/CC in the morning just for overall health aspect. I did seem to have more energy when I was doing the protocol. Probiotics, vit d along with k2, magnesium, zinc I take every day as well. I tired of making sauerkraut and juicing that after a few years, but definitely recommend it for those who are still in the battle. All the best, Rod in MN/USA On Sunday, January 19, 2025 at 01:14:41 AM CST, Risha Gustafson via groups.io <brgust@...> wrote: Where can I find Rod¡¯s juice recipe? And, Rod, what is your normal protocol/routine now that you¡¯re healed? Risha On Jan 18, 2025, at 4:39?PM, Marilyn Frasier via groups.io <drfrasier52@...> wrote:
Juicing is an essential part of the Budwig protocol. ?I feel the positive effects of these juices and you will too. ?I bought a Breville juicer, which is a workhorse, not too expensive and easy to clean. ? I like carrot/apple/beet/ginger and celery/apple/ginger. ?The beet is good for the liver and keeps the bile flowing. ?It improves my digestion. ?Some days I make Rod¡¯s juice - so delicious. ? He has posted the recipe on this list. ?It makes two generous servings. ?? Regarding PSA screening for cancer, there is a brilliant doctor and statistician/researcher named H. Gilbert Welch, who has studied prostate and breast cancer mortality and screening. ? He¡¯s written several books and journal articles including in The New England Journal of Medicine. ?One book is called Overdiagnosed: Making People Sick in the Pursuit of Health. ?It is sold on Amazon. ? Try the juicing. ?I think you will love it. Very best, Marilyn On Jan 18, 2025, at 1:52?PM, gsixtysix via groups.io <gsixtysix@...> wrote:
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How about that?!? The only thing I would add is that I divided this recipe after juicing into two servings. The 1st serving I drank at lunch time and the 2nd later in the afternoon, before dinner. Carrot will be 2 to 2-1/2 pounds, the last thing I add, until the pitcher is full to the line (about 26 - 28 ounces total). Be careful with the ginger, about 1 sq inch is all I use or it can get a bit "hot". Alternate between apple and pineapple. Beets come in a variety of sizes, I used 1/4 of a large, 1/2 of a medium, or all of a small beet. Everything in this juice is known to play a part against cancer. Good job, Marilyn. Rod in MN/USA On Sunday, January 19, 2025 at 12:36:06 PM CST, Marilyn Frasier via groups.io <drfrasier52@...> wrote: Rod posted his own version of V8 juice last April, but not sure how to forward. ?So, I copied and pasted below. ?Hope you don¡¯t mind, Rod. ? It is so good. ?Marilyn? 8 oz apple or pineapple 4 oz kale 2 oz parsley or spinach 1 small Roma tomato ginger 1 fat celery rib 1/4 of a large beet 2-1/2 pounds of carrots, give or take, to finish |
Re: Gotten worse
Rod posted his own version of V8 juice last April, but not sure how to forward. ?So, I copied and pasted below. ?Hope you don¡¯t mind, Rod. ? It is so good. ?Marilyn?
8 oz apple or pineapple 4 oz kale 2 oz parsley or spinach 1 small Roma tomato ginger 1 fat celery rib 1/4 of a large beet 2-1/2 pounds of carrots, give or take, to finish |
Re: 15 Key Points of Dr. Budwig¡¯s Healing Plan - Plz read and save
Thank you so so much Julie! Helped a lot!!
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On Sunday, January 19, 2025, 7:21 AM, jfanciullacci via groups.io <jfanciullacci@...> wrote:
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Re: 15 Key Points of Dr. Budwig¡¯s Healing Plan - Plz read and save
Hi Mariya
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It is recommended to drink a 6-8 ounce glass of sauerkraut juice first thing.
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I can¡¯t answer your other questions definitively but I do know that Dr. Budwig ¡°tweaked¡± the juices in her protocol according to the individual patient¡¯s needs. She asked the patient to log their daily diet for 4 weeks and then and re-evaluated, according to the results.
Again, if you swap a fruit juice for vegetable juice, make a note of how you feel with the change. Perhaps you could add an apple to the beet and carrot juice? Apples stimulate digestion.
Dr. B. recommended grape juice as a sweetener, this also aids digestion and helps to flush out uric acid.
As a side note, she highly?recommended papaya juice and pineapple juice for their digestive enzymes; papain and bromelain.? I hope this helps.
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Re: Gotten worse
¿ªÔÆÌåÓýWhere can I find Rod¡¯s juice recipe? And, Rod, what is your normal protocol/routine now that you¡¯re healed?Risha On Jan 18, 2025, at 4:39?PM, Marilyn Frasier via groups.io <drfrasier52@...> wrote:
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Re: 15 Key Points of Dr. Budwig¡¯s Healing Plan - Plz read and save
Thank you so much for such a great summary of protocol. Few questions here:
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I see 5 tbsp of flaxseeds total per day. Can it be more ? can I mix with carrot/ beet juice instead of fruit juice?? Can I add it?to second serving of FOCC? How much sauerkraut juice?? Thank you so much! On Saturday, January 18, 2025, 1:05 PM, jfanciullacci via groups.io <jfanciullacci@...> wrote:
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¿ªÔÆÌåÓýJuicing is an essential part of the Budwig protocol. ?I feel the positive effects of these juices and you will too. ?I bought a Breville juicer, which is a workhorse, not too expensive and easy to clean. ? I like carrot/apple/beet/ginger and celery/apple/ginger. ?The beet is good for the liver and keeps the bile flowing. ?It improves my digestion. ?Some days I make Rod¡¯s juice - so delicious. ? He has posted the recipe on this list. ?It makes two generous servings. ?? Regarding PSA screening for cancer, there is a brilliant doctor and statistician/researcher named H. Gilbert Welch, who has studied prostate and breast cancer mortality and screening. ? He¡¯s written several books and journal articles including in The New England Journal of Medicine. ?One book is called Overdiagnosed: Making People Sick in the Pursuit of Health. ?It is sold on Amazon. ? Try the juicing. ?I think you will love it. Very best, Marilyn On Jan 18, 2025, at 1:52?PM, gsixtysix via groups.io <gsixtysix@...> wrote:
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Re: Gotten worse
I speak from experience and a lot of research. Any protocols that fake alkalinity, like baking soda, are pretty much wives tale urban legend interweb hocus pocus gossip. All that does is affect your urine ph, your blood ph is always within very strict margins or you would die. Cancel the order for the ph strips if you can, they will only aggravate you. Juicing is important as it allows the body to absorb nutrients without much effort, saving energy for the immune system. Dr B did not approve of coffee, but I also drank a couple cups a day and healed. I would strongly suggest looking into coffee enemas however. https://www.drlwilson.com/articles/coffee%20enema.htm I would also suggest to add some artemisia annua powder to the coffee maker when you brew your enema. All the best, Rod in MN/USA No juicing..maybe I will buy one. I was told to improve alkalinity by using baking soda, possibly with black strap molasses. Also I have been drinking coffee, two cups a day, was told this is good for prostate, although that increases acidity. This might be helped with a light roast as this may be less acidic. I have ordered PH strips to test for alkaline levels. On Saturday, January 18, 2025 at 12:52:23 PM CST, gsixtysix via groups.io <gsixtysix@...> wrote: No juicing..maybe I will buy one.? I was told to improve alkalinity by using baking soda, possibly with black strap molasses.? Also I have been drinking coffee, two cups a day, was told this is good for? prostate, although that increases acidity.? This might be helped with a light roast as this may be less acidic.? I have ordered PH strips to test for alkaline levels. |
15 Key Points of Dr. Budwig¡¯s Healing Plan - Plz read and save
Hello New Members,
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The information below is posted regularly and is based on Dr. Budwig's books - The Oil-Protein Cookbook[1952] and Cancer-the Problem and the Solution[1999] and is on my website at https://budwig-videos.com On the site, click on FUNDAMENTALS at the top of the front page to read more details about the Budwig plan; also, view the video at the bottom of the front page to see the oil/protein muesli recipe being made and please read member testimonials. Join the site for a month or more of online Budwig recipes on video or with photos.??
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Unfortunately, 99% of websites & books, other than Dr. Budwig's books, have incorrect information about her plan. Authors & websites offering "Budwig information" that includes supplements are giving advice that could interfere with healing. Dr. Budwig did not include supplements & wrote about avoiding most, but not all, of them. It's also important to follow the FULL Budwig plan below, instead of only flax oil/cottage cheese[FO/CC].?
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Below are Guidelines, in brief, for the Budwig Diet & Lifestyle Plan - you don't have to eat all the foods on this list each day. ADJUST THE AMOUNTS TO FIT YOUR SIZE & DIGESTIVE ABILITY. Each food or liquid below has an important purpose. They all fight cancer, heart disease, arthritis & more. There's a good reason for following the schedule as stated below, but if necessary, adjust it to your needs.
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The Budwig plan may take 3 months or more before significant improvement occurs. It's also possible to feel worse during the 2nd month; as cancer cells begin to die, some may go into the bloodstream. The plan needs to be continued even after becoming cancer-free or the cancer could return. Eating forbidden foods & experiencing severe stress can promote cancer.
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Dr. Budwig's Program:?
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1. 1st thing in AM--Sauerkraut Juice, raw and homemade. Raw unheated kraut contains natural enzymes, probiotics and vitamins - all help the digestive system metabolize foods and improve immunity. Almost all sauerkraut in stores has been pasteurized [heated] and won't be as powerful as raw kraut.??
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2. Just before breakfast-- green or herbal tea with one teaspoon of raw honey, a cancer-fighter.?
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3. Breakfast--Blend 3 Tbs Flax Oil [45ml] & 6 Tbs Quark or Cottage Cheese [90ml]+3 Tbs [45ml] milk for thinning. Grind & add 2 Tbs [30ml] whole flaxseeds, fresh fruit, pure fruit juice, raw nuts, 1 tsp [5ml]raw honey. This recipe has helped heal hundreds of cancer patients & is slightly different than Dr. Budwig's quark recipe which starts with blending FO, milk & raw honey, then adds quark. She placed the ground flax seeds in a bowl, then layered fruit & FO/CC on top. Afterward, if hungry, eat 1 slice of whole-grain bread, raw veggies, quality cheese -1 oz Edam, Gouda, Emmentaler, Camembert. Watch a video of FO/CC being made at http://budwig-videos.com/ [Bottom of page.]
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4. Mid-morning -Homemade Vegetable Juice (carrot juice, beets w/apple, celery). Very Important.
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5. Before Lunch - Champagne or sparkling wine w/ 1Tbs[15ml] whole flaxseeds, freshly ground, OR ground seeds in a small glass of fruit juice. Champagne helps the absorption of ground seeds, allowing nutrients into the brain.?
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6. SUNBATHING [weather permitting] outside 10 to 20 minutes around noon without sun lotion or glasses, expose as much skin as possible to get vitamin D & healing energy of the sun. Afterward, avoid washing with soap. Give vitamin D several hours to be made on the skin & absorbed. Sunlight through glass does not make vitamin D.
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7. Lunch - A raw vegetable salad + Budwig FO dressing. If still hungry, eat foods from the DINNER menu below.
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8. Lunch Dessert - an important 2nd serving of 3 Tbs.[45ml] FO & 6 Tbs.[90ml] Quark or Cottage Cheese + 3 Tbs[45ml] milk, well blended. Add raw fruit, pure fruit juice, raw nuts, 1 tsp [5ml] raw honey and/or other flavors [JB suggested non-sugar dark cocoa, shredded coconut]
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9. Mid-afternoon - 1 Tbs. [15ml]whole flaxseeds, freshly ground, in 2 to 8 oz of pure fruit juice, homemade or store-bought. Flaxseeds are strong cancer fighters and are high in fiber for good digestion & elimination.
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10. STRESS REDUCTION--Meditate by focusing on the breath to calm the mind, the goal is to free the mind of thoughts; or use EFT [Emotional Freedom Technique shown on youtube] to change thinking, & use other ways to reduce stress - music, nature walks.?
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11. Late afternoon - Papaya or pineapple juice, 2 to 8 oz, with 1 Tbs [15ml]whole flaxseeds, freshly ground.?
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12. Dinner - Cooked grains & nutritional yeast flakes w/B12 OR grains & beans plus vegetables w/oleolux, nutritional yeast flakes w/B12 & spices. Grains & beans combined make a complete protein. Vegetables such as spinach, asparagus, broccoli, & cabbage as well as onions & garlic are major cancer fighters. Suggested grains: brown rice, buckwheat, millet, oats, quinoa. Grains & potatoes[white or yams] are calming & help w/sleep. If beans bother you, start with small amounts, a tablespoon or less, and slowly increase the serving.
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13. Evening - 1 glass of Red Wine [optional]. Go to sleep early - by 10 pm if possible.
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14. Dr. Budwig said to AVOID cancer promoters such as chemicals, preservatives, damaging fats, meats/poultry/eggs/fish, sugar, sugar substitutes [other than raw honey], highly processed foods, MOST SUPPLEMENTS, ozone treatments, dental infections and wean off drugs if possible [under a doctor's care].
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15. Most people do not need ELDI oils, which Dr. Budwig created mainly for patients who are too weak to eat. These oils are sold in Germany. They are rubbed on the skin or used for an enema. [Some people make a version of ELDI oil at home by mixing 75% flax oil with 25% wheat germ oil to help preserve it. ]
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Please feel free to ask any questions you may have. FlaxSeedOil2 forum is available at groups.io where we moved well before Yahoo Groups shut down. /g/FlaxSeedOil2/
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Also, I invite you to join my Facebook page where I post new research daily on foods and health.
https://www.facebook.com/BudwigVideos/
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Kind regards, Sandra Olson, M.Ed., FlaxSeedOil2 Owner since 2007 |
Re: Gotten worse
No juicing..maybe I will buy one.? I was told to improve alkalinity by using baking soda, possibly with black strap molasses.? Also I have been drinking coffee, two cups a day, was told this is good for? prostate, although that increases acidity.? This might be helped with a light roast as this may be less acidic.? I have ordered PH strips to test for alkaline levels. |
Re: Gotten worse
I am sorry to hear your news.? Are you juicing?? It makes the body more alkaline and the cancer likes an acidic environment.? Gerson program? juices 12 times a day, Wark program juices 8 times a day, Budwig is three times a day so much easier.? Can you get your Vit D naturally.? I know it is tougher in the winter.? She also rec a vegetarian diet, fish can be consumed very occasionally.?
Hope this helps.?
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Re: Gotten worse
On Wed, Jan 15, 2025 at 04:04 PM, Rod Holmgren wrote:
Are you following the diet fairly closely? When I was BP only I found that the diet was very important to the success of the protocol. I am following the cottage cheese/flax seed/flax seed oil exactly...twice a day at three tablespoons each of oil, 6 of cottage cheese and 2 tablespoons of flax seed ground.? I am am not using sauerkraut juice, some whole bread, a little cheese, nuts everyday almost.? Salads with radishes, vitamin d/k supplementation (30k for d).? Some fish and ground turkey.? Try to walk a lot when weather permits. What I think made an impact was losing job back in October.? I knew immediately that stress would affect, and at least some practitioners believe that has a very big impact on cancer |
Re: Gotten worse
No I have not had a biopsy.? I am willing to have one on the condition there is an available treatment like tulsa pro or hifu covered by insurance in my area (less invasive procedures that target the lesion as opposed total carpet bombing of the lesion) .? If I go to the onco and he says 3+3 or 3+4 or whatever, he will just propose r and r..removal or radiate or some of the other treatments that pose side effects.? In addition, you really are up to the expertise of the practioner as well.? I was concerned because the exo dx urine test is supposed to be a liquid biopsy, and mine kept close to doubling which would indicate a pathology. ?As it stands now, all I can do is experiment |
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