Joseph, “Job, Jobe,” Daniel and Elizabeth Calaway DNA match to William of Cedar Creek
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My name is Beverly Markell Markland and I have a great deal of information about this branch of the Daniel family.
Joseph Daniel had 10 children with Elizabeth Callaway. 1)Abner about 1779 (little known and unsure of name) 2)Mary “Polly” 1784 3)Issac 1786-1860 md 1.Faircloth 2.Weatherford 3. ? ? ?Blackwood 4)William 1787-1849 md Argent Joel 5)John 1789 md Avis 6)Robert C. 1791-1870 md 1. Nancy Kimzey 2. Drucilla Anne Shofner 7)Anne Elizabeth 1793-1859 md William Saunders 8)Calaway 1800-1863 md 1. Lucinda Cook 2. Vanzant? 9. Ruben 1804-1863 md Susannah Watts 10Nancy 1809-1867 md Rev. Jerry Dean Joseph aka Job served in the Revolutionary War and lived in New Bern, NC where most of his children were born. When treaties were signed with the Cherokee Indians Joseph and Elizabeth relocated to Franklin, Tennessee. Where he died in 1814. Many of the older children moved on but the younger group settled in Lynchburg and Mulberry Tennessee, Moore County. My gggrandfather was Calaway Daniel md Lucinda Cook and their son Wiley Butler Daniel, my ggrandfather, and his close siblings compiled family information in the 1920’s which passed down to me. It is my hope that someone in this Daniel group would like to join me in the research the Ancestors and descendants of Joseph aka Job Daniel c1745-1814 and Elizabeth Callaway 1757-1853. Especially interested in the DNA connection to William Daniel of Cedar Creek Hundred. Some Daniel descendants of Joseph aka Job have their DNA test listed on the Daniel DNA project however they are not all connected to one another. I recognize the names and can help with that. I have three DNA test and several very complete trees that I am working on and would love to share information. Beverly |
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Hello Janine! I’m not sure where to begin. I also have dna tested on FamilyTreeDNA. I just found a thru line that connects us but I don’t know if we have a dna match. I should be under Beverly Markland or Beverly Markell. How are you listed? I have other dna tested as well. I contacted the Daniel DNA group and submitted dna kit ?information and my complete bio but I too am lacking a male Daniel to submit DNA. So I’m not sure he listed me or the bio I sent. According to Kevin Daniel our Joseph Job Daniel is not a match for the VA branch of the Daniel line. Our Joseph Job Daniel’s descendants match a William Daniel of Cedar Creek Hundred in Delaware who I have been researching. Have found some good info but still searching for our Joseph and William connection. I have information on William Mack Daniel and lean to believe he is a grandson of Joseph not the son. My info probably comes from you. I’m not sure where William Mack Daniel fits in yet. I believe the son of Joseph Job is William J Daniel and born between 1780 and 1795. Maybe even before Isaac about 1887. Family lore has the oldest child named Abner. I have never been convinced that this name is correct. Just not a family name and no connection to any known ancestor.? A First son would have been Much more likely to be named Abraham or Abram or… William. I would like to research this named son more. I have searched and found nothing. I have the children of William and Argent as: Lott,1816? Elizabeth, 1818 Avis, 1822 Berry W, 1823 Celia Brewer, 1826 ( many connection to the Brewer family) Nancy Jane,1834 This information comes from the descendants of Berry W. and seems solid) I do not have much on John and Avis. 1830 census and family history. Only daughters listed. However, I do have most of the younger Joseph Job Daniel children completely mapped out through first hand info and correspondence with living descendants and I can’t find where William Mack Daniel fits in with any of them.? So, that only leaves John but then birth dates for William Mack are wrong for him being the father which leaves possibly Abner -Abraham, the oldest named son. Or a unknown ancestor. I suspect we have a brother to Joseph Job Daniel who is the link to the William of Cedar Creek Hundred. (I have a theory about this) That’s a lot. Where do you want to start? Your new cousin, Beverly PS the first petition submitted by Elizabeth Callaway Daniel for pension was in 1843-44. I’m not sure what letter in 1853 you are referring to. Refresh my memory please.? On Thu, Mar 30, 2023 at 4:45 PM Janine Zerger LAST_NAME <jzerger@...> wrote: Hello, Beverly! |
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On Fri, Mar 31, 2023 at 09:25 AM, BevD wrote:
According to Kevin Daniel our Joseph Job Daniel is not a match for the VA branch of the Daniel line.Not sure if my comments are out of context for this thread, since I have not been following this conversation closely, but there are many unrelated Daniel families in Virginia (their Y DNA does not match each other). It might help those interested in this thread if the kit numbers of Y DNA tests for this line are included in the conversation, especially for future readers. Kevin |
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Hello Kevin this is Beverly Markland. I had correspondence with you on the Daniel DNA group. You can refresh the conversation by looking at that forum. I probably way over simplified but as I remember Joseph Job Daniel is not a match for your branch of the VA Daniel line. I do not have a male Daniel to contribute DNA to the Daniel DNA project. But all of the DNA kits listed with Joseph Job Daniel and Elizabeth Callaway from their descendants and just clarified by Janine Zerger are in my family tree as well.? Any new DNA information you might have on Joseph Job Daniel and Elizabeth Callaway Daniel would be greatly appreciated. There are still a few of us out here working on this.? Thank you, Beverly? On Fri, Mar 31, 2023 at 11:24 AM Kevin Daniel via <kwqd=[email protected]> wrote: On Fri, Mar 31, 2023 at 09:25 AM, BevD wrote: |
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Hi Janine,
The link to the Daniel Y? DNA Project is: ? Visitors will get a warning about visiting the site because it does not use https which is a more secure version of http. There are no external links, advertising, bots, etc., on this site, so it is safe to visit this site. It is intentionally a very basic site. I host the site on x10.com, a hosting service so the DanielDNA URL will resolve to but you do not need to remember that, just type into the URL field, or bookmark the site so you do not have to remember anything! I own the DanielDNA domain so it will not go away as long as I pay for it every year and I intend to support it for my lifetime and maybe a bit longer. I believe that it is paid up for the next five years. I have not decided if I will set up an account that will continue to support that URL so it will continue to be active after my death.... Whoever ends up supporting the site can decide what to do with the URL, long term. The advantage of this URL is that it will never change and can be pointed to any future site which hosts the Daniel Y? DNA Project. Kevin |
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Dang, still catching up on reading this thread.... I sent a message explaining the warning message you are getting..... The site is safe to visit. The project has been using it since around 2010 (?) with no issues. I will check with our hosting provider and see what I need to do to get them to support the site using https. I am sure that they already support https, but there is something that I will need to do, procedurally, to do so. There is no dangerous or potentially harmful content on the site.
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I checked with the x10 help community and the process to get this site set up to use https is pretty straightforward. Https was apparently supported for most, if not all, of the time we have been using this site, but it was apparently broken by a server migration a few years ago. As I recall this had something to do with the failure of x10's back end servers which caused a pretty massive outage of their service. I think their backup servers failed?? This was fixed but https was broken for some sites. I won't get into the details! This is actually what I did for living for about 20 years so I will get it sorted out.
Kevin |
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Hi Janine, How do I upload to gedmatch? I have MyHeritage, 23and me, Ancestry, mtfullsequence and I would love for them to be in the same place. I put it on Geni and none of it has done me much good because most people do not have full trees that one can search when there is a good match. ? I have two Avis Daniels. One older that is head of household 1830 census where John Daniel is also listed as the head of another household. If I’m reading it right.? I also have A younger Avis as a daughter of William and Argent. I wondered if Argent and Avis were sisters or if Avis was a widow and ?mother to Argent ?but couldn’t find any link. We are missing something here. William is always named as a older son which keeps me thinking his birth date is more likely to be closer to 1780 than 1800. It is also possible John’s birth date is closer to 1786. I’ll check the 1830 census again. Thank you for the link to the pension application and letter from William Daniel. I have almost all of it from Calaway Daniel’s copy of the Felix Motlow papers that were passed down to me. I tried to print them out with no luck so I’ll read them tonight to see what I’m missing.? I have a family tree on Ancestry and also on myHeritage. You a welcome to look over them at any time. I have been adding people as I find them through DNA. I have a lot of matches! Beverly On Fri, Mar 31, 2023 at 2:18 PM Janine Zerger LAST_NAME <jzerger@...> wrote: Beverly, |
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I recommend putting your trees on FamilySearch.org and WikiTree.com. Both sites are free and are peer reviewed, so the quality of the data has the potential to be of better quality. It is often sadly not, though. Both sites are free. I dropped my Ancestry subscription and only have my autosomal DNA test there now. My family trees are now on FamilySearch and WikiTree and I keep Wikitree syched to FamilySearch, which is a manual process.
FamilySearch also has a huge number of images of original? (primary record) documents and is much easier to search than Ancestry, which I suspect licenses much of their content from FamilySearch. I advise against linking documents from Ancestry to FamilySearch profiles in Sources as most of the documents are freely available to everyone in the FamilySearch catalog. The Ancestry images are only available to those who pay for them and, I think, to members of the LDS. It is incredibly easy to link primary record images to profiles on FamilySearch. I am sorry I wasted 20 years on Ancestry! Ancestry does have a good Hints utility for individuals but most of the records are on FamilySearch, except perhaps for military pension and service indexes. The only time that I miss Ancestry is when I want to look at the trees of some of my DNA matches.? That being said, the quality of trees on Ancestry is, in general, not very good. Sorry to get off topic! Kevin |
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On Fri, Mar 31, 2023 at 06:17 PM, Janine Zerger LAST_NAME wrote:
WikiTree requires documentation for anything that is put on there, so I like that.Unfortunately, WikiTree accepts anything entered into their Source field <ref></ref> as "documentation". Just creating that field and putting something vague like "GEDCOM" in it will get you past that requirement, I think. The folks at WikiTree apparently make no effort to police that field. Or maybe they do....? I have never tried to enter anything but valid primary record sources in that field. There is enough bad data on WikiTree to make me suspicious, though.. The only time I have ever heard from WikiTree regarding Sources was about Y DNA certifying my Daniel line back to my earliest proved ancestor. They were pretty strict about that and required adding a comment block for every direct line ancestor with links to the proof. Though there is a lot of really bad data on WikiTree, too, at least it is possible to make comments and changes, not true for Ancestry, MyHeritage, etc. My blood pressure goes up every time I look at the ThruLines feature on Ancestry. I try not to! The Y DNA of the line of Kevin Daniel has been proved<ref>Family Tree DNA Y DNA testing used to prove Y DNA of the line of the MRCA [[Daniel-5982|William Daniel]]. * For details of the testing refer to: ?http://www.kevindaniel.x10.mx/carolinedanielsdna.html * Y DNA kit #s 3347, 445720 and 756121 represent descendants of three sons of [[Daniel-5982|William Daniel]], the MRCA, proved using primary record evidence, though multiple descendants, 20 total, have been tested. The three reference kits have tested to 111 markers and done Big Y 700 testing. All males in this group share the same terminal SNP which is unique to this Daniel family. No other men with this terminal SNP have been identified.</ref>. Cheers, Kevin |
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Janine, Do you have the Felix Motlow papers that were compiled on the Daniel history for the pension application you gave me the link to? I may have missed them included there. If not I have more information.? Much of the information I found in research on William and Argent ?is not fresh in my mind… but I have census records that link John to Avis and Argent. I could snap a photo or direct you to my tree. I am not great at the computer so things that seem easy or obvious to some at not for me. I learn every day. Also I have been in communication with Amy Daniel who is in possession of the family bible giving the names of Argent and William Daniels children. I connected their Daniel line with her information. I suggested the DNA testing of her husband Richard Daniel who descends from Berry William Daniel. I don’t know if they have submitted DNA as of yet. Seem to be a direct line to William Daniel who married Argent.? These are publicly posted on Andestry. On Fri, Mar 31, 2023 at 7:17 PM Janine Zerger LAST_NAME <jzerger@...> wrote: Beverly, |
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