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Re: Dick Cooper Time Book - 1940's "South Bat"
Gordon, Thanks again for such good, historical information. I can sometimes only guess at "what was" based on my conversations with Dad and what little knowledge I have. I hope all is well with you and yours. Ed
On Sunday, August 18, 2024 at 12:34:58 PM EDT, Gordon Davids via groups.io <g.davids@...> wrote:
Around the late 1960's Oneonta Yard had three regular yard jobs working. The "South Bat-out,", the "Pull-up," and the "City Engine." The first two worked two or three tricks daily, and the City Engine worked weekdays, switching industries within Yard Limits. The names were historical, and related to former times when the hump was operating and classifying south-bound traffic.
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As I recall, the Bat-Out had been the hump crew that shoved cars over the hump and threw the manual switches in the hump yard to "bat them out" to the proper tracks. The hump yard had only manual switches.
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The Pull-Up worked the south end of the hump yard and assembled the various classifications into the correct order in a train. For instance, a Binghamton train might have cars for the Erie, DL&W, and Lehigh Valley, and those were assembled in a particular order in the train.
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Northward traffic was mostly classified at the inbound interchange and most of it was moved in blocks through Oneonta
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In later years, the hump was shut down and much of that classification was performed at the initial interchanges and local yards, but those Oneonta yard jobs kept their names. In practice, they did what the Yardmaster directed. The hump was restored to service for a few years around 1971 when I was the Track Supervisor at Oneonta. There had been a scale at the crest of the hump. We filled in the scale pit to restore the track. I was never a yardmaster at Oneonta, and I will defer to anyone with more detailed or corrected information.
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Dick Cooper Time Book - 1950s
4/8/53 Deadhead, through freight rate, marked on Mohawk 12:30 PM, marked off Colonie 1:30 PM, on duty 1:00, paid $4.34 for 30 miles.
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4/8/53 RW2 & RW4 helper, power 4026-4075, through freight rate, marked on Colonie 1:30 PM, marked off Colonie 6:15 AM, on duty 16:45, paid $34.87 for 241 miles, E. Baisden engineer, Cooper fireman.
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4/9/53 Deadhead, through freight rate, marked on Colonie 6:15 AM, marked off Mohawk 7:15 AM, on duty 1:00, paid $4.34 for 30 miles. |
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Re: Dick Cooper Time Book - 1940's
Dave, Yes, he had been furloughed from the NYC and didn't return until the fall of 1957 for one month on the St. Lawrence Division. I believe the Oneonta "south bat yard" may have been may have been a crew reference to the south end of the hump yard at Oneonta, but I'm not positive. The north end of the hump yard was just south of the yard office. This would have been between there and the southbound dispatch yard. When I refer to south, I'm referring to "railroad" south. The tracks through Oneonta ran roughly east/west. By compass direction, it would have been west of the yard office. I hope it's not too confusing. Ed
On Saturday, August 17, 2024 at 09:33:47 AM EDT, Dave Simmons via groups.io <bdsimm7@...> wrote:
Ed -- ? ? ?Me again! ?What was the Oneonta South "bat yard?" Dave
On Saturday, August 17, 2024, 08:14:16 AM EDT, Ed Cox via groups.io <edcox13@...> wrote:
10/16-12/30/48 Furloughed.
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12/31/48 Hired out on the Delaware & Hudson, Susquehanna Division in the PM.
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12/31/48 Oneonta South bat yard, power 0-8-0 158, yard rate, marked on Oneonta 11:59 PM, switched to 0-8-0 162, switched to 2-8-0 1048, marked off Oneonta 7:59 AM, on duty 8:00, paid $11.76 for 100 miles, Comeski engineer, Cooper fireman.
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Dad's first work on the D&H.
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Dick Cooper Time Book - 1940's
10/16-12/30/48 Furloughed.
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12/31/48 Hired out on the Delaware & Hudson, Susquehanna Division in the PM.
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12/31/48 Oneonta South bat yard, power 0-8-0 158, yard rate, marked on Oneonta 11:59 PM, switched to 0-8-0 162, switched to 2-8-0 1048, marked off Oneonta 7:59 AM, on duty 8:00, paid $11.76 for 100 miles, Comeski engineer, Cooper fireman.
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Dad's first work on the D&H. |
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Dick Cooper Time Book - 1980s
6/20/80 RW6, power CR GP38-2 8235-D&H 7418-7410-7414, through freight rate, marked on Oneonta 9:30 PM, 40" initial terminal delay, 30" final terminal delay, marked off Hudson 7:30 AM, on duty 10:00, paid $133.38 for 158 miles, Cooper engineer, no fireman, Tommy Flynn conductor. |
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Re: Dick Cooper Time Book - 1950s
Ed, I think they just had the extra engines in Colonie and they met up with RW4 before they got to the first hill at Howes Cave. Dad was on the Mohawk extra board so they had to pay a "deadhead" rate to get him to the engines and back. Ed
On Wednesday, August 7, 2024 at 01:08:26 PM EDT, Edward Seaman via groups.io <tankmikegulf22@...> wrote:
I wonder what routing RW-4 was taking that it needed helpers. Thru Kenwood and out the Albany main? Ed? On Aug 7, 2024, at 12:30?PM, Ed Cox via groups.io <edcox13@...> wrote:
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Dick Cooper Time Book - 1950s
4/7/53 deadhead, through freight rate, marked on Mohawk 7:45 PM, marked off Colonie 8:30 PM, on duty 45", paid $4.34 for 30 miles
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4/7/53 RW4 helper, power 4055-4089, through freight rate, marked on Colonie 8:30 AM, marked off Colonie 3:00 AM, on duty 6:30, paid $19.82 for 137 miles, E. Baisden engineer, Cooper fireman.
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4/8/53 Deadhead, through freight rate, marked on Colonie 3:00 AM, marked off Mohawk 4:00 AM, on duty 1:00, paid $4.34 for 30 miles. |
Ed Cox