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Dick Cooper Time Book - Rio Grande

 

10/11/61 Chama hostler, hostler rate, marked on Chama 8:00 AM, marked off Chama 8:20 PM, on duty 12:20, paid $40.98 for 181 miles, Cooper hostler, with H.D. Gibbs


Re: A bit of the NJ

 

Thanks for the great explanation Gordon.

I hope all is well with you and yours.

Ed Cox

On Sunday, May 12, 2024 at 08:33:52 PM EDT, Gordon Davids via groups.io <g.davids@...> wrote:


The two NJ engines, 4050 and 4051, were built by Montreal Locomotive Works, an Alco subsidiary. They were allowed by the US to operated into the US only on assignments that worked into Canada, otherwise the D&H would have to pay US import duty on them. The same rule applied in Canada regarding US power.

Heavy repairs on the two NJ units were done by CP at Angus Shops in Montreal. If the D&H replaced any parts on them the NJ would have to pay import duty on the value of the parts.

I remember one cold night at Rouses Point when Train 35 arrived with a single unit that had to be taken out of service and replaced with the RO yard engine which had a steam generator for train heat. It was standard practice to assign a passenger unit to RO Yard to protect that service.

Then the only unit available at RO was the NJ 4051. The yard crew had to finish building RW-6, and WR-1 had not arrived with its power. So certain arrangements were made with the US Customs officers at RO to look the other way for a few hours while NJ 4051 finished building the train for RW-6. International commerce was handled with little interruption.

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Ed Cox


Re: A bit of the NJ

 

The two NJ engines, 4050 and 4051, were built by Montreal Locomotive Works, an Alco subsidiary. They were allowed by the US to operated into the US only on assignments that worked into Canada, otherwise the D&H would have to pay US import duty on them. The same rule applied in Canada regarding US power.

Heavy repairs on the two NJ units were done by CP at Angus Shops in Montreal. If the D&H replaced any parts on them the NJ would have to pay import duty on the value of the parts.

I remember one cold night at Rouses Point when Train 35 arrived with a single unit that had to be taken out of service and replaced with the RO yard engine which had a steam generator for train heat. It was standard practice to assign a passenger unit to RO Yard to protect that service.

Then the only unit available at RO was the NJ 4051. The yard crew had to finish building RW-6, and WR-1 had not arrived with its power. So certain arrangements were made with the US Customs officers at RO to look the other way for a few hours while NJ 4051 finished building the train for RW-6. International commerce was handled with little interruption.


Re: A bit of the NJ

 

That's very cool. Thank you.

Charles


Dick Cooper Time Book - 1960s

 

3/15-18/61 Layed in.

3/19/61 Plattsburg yard, power 4040, yard-local freight rate, marked on Plattsburg 7:00 AM, marked off Plattsburg 3:25 PM, on duty 8:25, paid $24.36 for 108 miles, F.C. Adams engineer, Cooper fireman,


Re: A bit of the NJ

 

Charles,

I would think Rouses Point. The NJ power wasn't suppose to be used in the US due to customs from what I have read. The EL power could have easily come north on WR1. It would have headed south on RW2. I suspect the EL unit is SD45 3615.?

According to Dad's time book, he marked off at Rouses Point at 8:45 PM on July 20, 1971 with the 753-EL SD45s 3615-3616.

He marked on the following morning on RW2 at 7:30 AM with EL 3660-3615-3616. The 3660 was a SDP45.

This could be the day in the picture.

Ed

On Saturday, May 11, 2024 at 11:08:34 AM EDT, Charles Woolever via groups.io <yahoo@...> wrote:


NJ #4050 RS-2 in July 1971. EL power in back. No location. Rouses Point or Mechanicville?

Charles

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Ed Cox


A bit of the NJ

 

NJ #4050 RS-2 in July 1971. EL power in back. No location. Rouses Point or Mechanicville?

Charles


Dick Cooper Time Book - with E.B. King

 

10/1/62 Plattsburg yard, power 4112, yard-local freight rate, marked on Plattsburg 10:30 PM, marked off Plattsburg 6:30 AM, on duty 8:00, paid $22.56 for 100 miles, E.B. King engineer, Cooper fireman.


Dick Cooper Time Book - 1950s

 

3/18/53 Layed in.

3/19/53 Mohawk yard work, power 3012, through freight rate, marked on Mohawk 6:45 AM, marked off Mohawk 3:00 PM, on duty 8:15, paid $14.31 for 105 miles, Primett engineer, Cooper fireman.


Re: Dick Cooper Time Book - NYC St. Lawrence Division

 

He was probably monitoring the 2883 while the 2963 was doing all the work.

Ed

On Thursday, May 9, 2024 at 08:18:07 AM EDT, Dave Simmons via groups.io <bdsimm7@...> wrote:


Ed --

? ? ?I imagine your Dad had a lot of work to do before they actually headed north and after they arrived in Watertown. ?I'm wondering how long they were actually moving from DeWitt to Watertown. ?I'm presuming he was the fireman on the 2nd loco of a double-header.

Dave Simmons
Watertown, NY
marked



On Thursday, May 9, 2024, 07:29:32 AM EDT, Ed Cox via groups.io <edcox13@...> wrote:


9/28/48 deadhead on Alco class L-2c 4-8-2 2883, train B1Wx, power Alco class L-2d 4-8-2 2963, through freight rate, marked on DeWitt 12:01 PM, marked off Watertown 12:55 AM, on duty 12:54, paid $21.04 for 192 miles, D. Ward engineer, Cooper engine tender.

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Ed Cox


Re: D&H #609 C628 with train

 

But it could be SW. I don't remember the background scenery all that well.


Re: D&H #609 C628 with train

 

Looks to me like KF Cabin, Cherry Valley Jct south of Cobleskill. That was a facing-point crossover to permit southward trains to cross over and pass slower trains climbing Richmondville Hill.? That crossover was installed ca. 1960 when bi-directional TCS replaced directional ABS in that territory, Before TCS the manual-operated trailing-point crossover at Cobleskill Station was the only way to run around a slow freight.

When I was riding 208 on Friday nights ca. 1959-1962, we often had to get a train order over opposing trains, then pull south and back across to the northward Track 2 for the passing move. That took about 10-15 minutes.


Re: Dick Cooper Time Book - NYC St. Lawrence Division

 

Ed --

? ? ?I imagine your Dad had a lot of work to do before they actually headed north and after they arrived in Watertown. ?I'm wondering how long they were actually moving from DeWitt to Watertown. ?I'm presuming he was the fireman on the 2nd loco of a double-header.

Dave Simmons
Watertown, NY
marked



On Thursday, May 9, 2024, 07:29:32 AM EDT, Ed Cox via groups.io <edcox13@...> wrote:


9/28/48 deadhead on Alco class L-2c 4-8-2 2883, train B1Wx, power Alco class L-2d 4-8-2 2963, through freight rate, marked on DeWitt 12:01 PM, marked off Watertown 12:55 AM, on duty 12:54, paid $21.04 for 192 miles, D. Ward engineer, Cooper engine tender.


Dick Cooper Time Book - NYC St. Lawrence Division

 

9/28/48 deadhead on Alco class L-2c 4-8-2 2883, train B1Wx, power Alco class L-2d 4-8-2 2963, through freight rate, marked on DeWitt 12:01 PM, marked off Watertown 12:55 AM, on duty 12:54, paid $21.04 for 192 miles, D. Ward engineer, Cooper engine tender.


Re: D&H #609 C628 with train

 

You're good! Thanks.

Charles


Re: D&H #609 C628 with train

 

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On May 8, 2024, at 12:39?PM, Charles Woolever via groups.io <yahoo@...> wrote:

?D&H #609 C628 leading train on D&H. May 1976. No location. Crossover and signal shown.

Charles
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D&H #609 C628 with train

 

D&H #609 C628 leading train on D&H. May 1976. No location. Crossover and signal shown.

Charles


Dick Cooper Time Book - Guilford Error

 

9/17/85 CXOI, power MEC 225-B&M 327, through freight rate, marked on Rouses Point 10:00 PM, 1:50 premium time, 39" switching @ Ft. Edward, picked up 2920 @ Ft. Edward, train to Mohawk, taxi to Mechanicville, marked off Mechanicville 9:45 AM, on duty 11:45, paid $295.31 for 308 miles, Cooper engineer, T. Vogt fireman/trainee, T. Heller conductor.


Dick Cooper Time Book - 1980s

 

6/4/80 SB4, power 7418-7603-412, through freight rate, marked on Oneonta 4:00 AM, 55" initial terminal delay, 30" time off assignment on CR (ex-LV), outlawed at Moosic, marked off Hudson 5:05 PM, on duty 13:05, paid $153.27 for 181? miles, Cooper engineer, no fireman, Tommy Flynn conductor.


Re: D&H C628s

 

I have the original slide. Assume it must have been in his possession before I purchased it.?