Dick Cooper Time Book - 1950s
6/27/52 lower end yard, power 3013, yard rate, marked on Mechanicville 4:00 PM, marked off Mechanicville 11:59 PM, on duty 7:59, paid $14.55 for 100 miles, Quinlan engineer, Cooper fireman.
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Ed Cox
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Dick Cooper Time Book - Guilford Error
12/23/84 regular day off
12/24/84 holiday (Christmas Eve) canceled, 1st out
12/24/84 vacation day
12/25/84 vacation-holiday (Christmas) canceled, 1st out
12/26-29/84 vacation
12/30/84 vacation - reported at 2:30 PM, job out
12/31/84 holiday (New Years Eve) canceled, 2nd out
1/1/85 holiday (New Years Day) canceled, 2nd out
1/2/85 1st out
1/3/85 PYRP, power B&M 361-D&H 406-409-7403, through freight rate, marked on Mechanicville 9:00 PM, taxi to Mohawk, marked off Rouses Point 6:40 AM, on duty 9:40, paid $203.17 for 194 miles, Cooper engineer, no fireman, M.J. "Pooper" Willett conductor.
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Ed Cox
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Dick Cooper Time Book - 1960s
4/4-8/60 layed in
4/9/60 SC15, power 4106-4099, yard rate, marked on Plattsburgh 8:00 AM, marked off Plattsburgh 6:40 PM, on duty 10:40, paid $32.03 for 144 miles, H.F. Brown engineer, Cooper fireman.
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Ed Cox
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Dick Cooper Time Book - NYC Catskill Mountain Branch
8/2/47 #501, power FX heavy 4-6-0 818, passenger rate, marked on Kingston 9:10 AM, marked off Oneonta 3:30 PM, on duty 6:20, paid $10.08 for 119 miles, Colvin engineer, Cooper fireman.
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Ed Cox
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650 is on the move from somewhere nearby, dsptr giving him a Xing order for
Edy Road (between 24 and BALL)
1323: just heard he is just north of Fart Ed now
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Bill><>
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Dick Cooper Time Book - 1970s
12/9/70 WR1, power 709-705-706, through freight rate, marked on Oneonta 9:45 AM, 27" initial terminal delay, marked off Whitehall 4:15 PM, on duty 6:30, paid $36.09 for 135 miles, John T. Bowen engineer, Cooper fireman.
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Ed Cox
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Dick Cooper Time Book - Rio Grande
10/9/59 hostler, hostler rate, marked on Burnham 3:59 PM, marked off Burnham 11:59 PM, on duty 8:00, paid $21.44 for 100 miles.
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Ed Cox
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Dick Cooper Time Book - 1967
9/11/67 WR1, power 5010-4121-5018, through freight rate, marked on Whitehall 5:00 PM, 50" initial terminal delay, 15" final terminal delay, marked off Rouses Point 11:15 PM, on duty 6:15, paid $29.99 for 129 miles. H.S. Lounsberry engineer, Cooper fireman.
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Ed Cox
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The character of railfans and model railroaders
From: Bill
K
Sent: Monday, February 3, 2020 12:28 PM
To: Railfanlegal
Subject: The character of railfans and model
railroaders
?
A small percentage of model railroad & railfan people make off with
"things' by light finger and ruin it for everyone.
There outa be a? law!? Oh wait...there is!
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examples:
?
*Rutland Rrd society had? a
convention...someone walked off with a display piece!
* I was going to bring a string of Rutland for display but decided it
was not worth the risk, a? real shame.
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*D&H BLHS
convention, displayed an original one of a kind extra large blueprint bound book
for the D&H building in
Albany....stolen????????????????
right under everyone's nose...irreplaceable! Priceless!
To my
thinking...everyone paid for dinner...the guy that was missing at dinner was
more than likely the thief.
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Reminds me of people that steal precious paintings.? What do you do
with it?? Can¡¯t show anyone or even admit you have it.? Then when you
croak the theft is brought to light and you¡¯re character as well as your family
name is smudged for eternity.? These few ruin it for everyone that¡¯s honest
and upright.
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People are funny, eh!
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Dick Cooper Time Book - with E.B. King
3/3/55 SC14 to WE and Ausable, power 4076, yard rate, marked on Plattsburgh 3:30 PM, marked off Plattsburgh 9:00 PM, on duty 5:30, paid $15.51 for 100 miles, E.B. King engineer, Cooper fireman.
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Ed Cox
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Dick Cooper Time Book - D&H Steam
1/22/52 #208, power P class 4-6-2 609, passenger rate, marked on Colonie 3:15 PM, marked off Binghamton 9:25 PM, on duty 6:10, paid $16.64 for 149 miles, F. Turner engineer, Cooper fireman.
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Ed Cox
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Re: Dick Cooper Time Book - NYC Catskill Mountain Branch
Gordon,
According to Dad, they turned the passenger equipment on the wye in Oneonta also.
Ed
On Sunday, February 2, 2020, 04:17:32 AM UTC, Gordon Davids via Groups.Io <g.davids@...> wrote:
Thanks, Bill. I didn't know that the Canada Southern website had added all of those public time tables. That answers the immediate question. I recall that 537 ran to Stamford in 1948, and I had always wondered what they did for the return. That also accounts for the 100-mile day, because a passenger day was 150 miles before overtime but 100 actual miles paid the full day. Arkville was 48.1 miles from Kingston Point. Adding in the 2 miles from Kingston Enginehouse to the station makes a 100-mile round trip. Stamford was MP 74, so that round trip would have shown as 148 miles.
I do know that there was a turntable at Arkville until the end of steam in 1948. Oneonta, Bloomville, Big Indian and Phoenicia also had turntables. I think they were retired earlier. Oneonta had the only wye, until the CMB was retired west of Bloomville in 1965. It was used to turn single units on KO-1/OK-2, and snow plows. The wye at Kingston was effectively retired when the West Shore crossing was removed ca. 1958, but the turntable at the West Shore round house was used to turn engines.
I'm glad to see some return on these posts. That's how we make a complete record of the seemingly trivial items.
-- Ed Cox
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Re: Dick Cooper Time Book - NYC Catskill Mountain Branch
Thanks, Bill. I didn't know that the Canada Southern website had added all of those public time tables. That answers the immediate question. I recall that 537 ran to Stamford in 1948, and I had always wondered what they did for the return. That also accounts for the 100-mile day, because a passenger day was 150 miles before overtime but 100 actual miles paid the full day. Arkville was 48.1 miles from Kingston Point. Adding in the 2 miles from Kingston Enginehouse to the station makes a 100-mile round trip. Stamford was MP 74, so that round trip would have shown as 148 miles.
I do know that there was a turntable at Arkville until the end of steam in 1948. Oneonta, Bloomville, Big Indian and Phoenicia also had turntables. I think they were retired earlier. Oneonta had the only wye, until the CMB was retired west of Bloomville in 1965. It was used to turn single units on KO-1/OK-2, and snow plows. The wye at Kingston was effectively retired when the West Shore crossing was removed ca. 1958, but the turntable at the West Shore round house was used to turn engines.
I'm glad to see some return on these posts. That's how we make a complete record of the seemingly trivial items.
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Re: Dick Cooper Time Book - NYC Catskill Mountain Branch
Per the June 15, 1947 NYC timetable at this website - - 537 terminated at Arkville on Friday and originated at Arkville on Sunday.? It's table number 62.
Just curious - what was the means of turning a locomotive at Arkville?? Wye?? Turntable?
-Bill B
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Re: Dick Cooper Time Book - NYC Catskill Mountain Branch
Ed -
That's logical. I don't have the 1947 time tables to tell me where Train 538 originated on Sunday. I do remember that in 1926 the U&D originated 538 on Sunday night in Oneonta, and in 1937 NYC originated 538 on Sunday night in Arkville. That would indicate that 537's extra back-up would have left the train and turned the engine at Arkville.
- Gordon Davids
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Re: Dick Cooper Time Book - NYC Catskill Mountain Branch
Gordon,
Dad and I talked about these trains when he was alive. If I remember our conversation correctly, 537's passenger cars were left in Arkville for the Sunday night train #538. It could have been Stamford. My memory is not what it used to be. But I seem to remember Arkville as being the place.
Ed
On Saturday, February 1, 2020, 05:06:52 PM UTC, Gordon Davids via Groups.Io <g.davids@...> wrote:
That time return looks odd, but it's not. In 1946-1948, NYC added back a few summer passenger trains on the CMB. Train 537 was a Friday-only short turn from Kingston to Stamford. There was no corresponding schedule for a return as a regular train, but it is most likely that they ran in reverse to Arkville and turned the engine for the rest of the return to Kingston. The return move would have been an extra train, which could be easily handled with one train order and Clearance Form A.
Stamford was open as a train order office and manual block station until after 537's scheduled arrival. The train order would simply read, "Engine 811 run extra Stamford to Kingston." The Clearance Form A would show "Clear Block." No other manual block stations were open between Stamford and Kingston, so that was all the authority needed for Extra 811 East from Stamford to Kingston.
I don't know if they brought the passenger cars back to Kingston, or left them at Stamford. Maximum speed for passenger trains on the CMB was 45 mph, for light engines 35 mph, and for engines running backward, 20 mph; unless otherwise restricted. Probably the fastest move would be with the train, for the highest speed after turning the engine at Arkville.
A corresponding eastward train, No. 538, ran from Stamford to Kingston on Sunday evenings. Trains 537 and 538 connected with West Shore trains 37 and 38 that ran from and to Weehawken. For a long time, they were known in Stamford as the "Husband's Train." The families came to hotels in the Stamford area for summer vacations. The fathers and husbands came up for weekend visits.
Gordon Davids
-- Ed Cox
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Re: Dick Cooper Time Book - NYC Catskill Mountain Branch
That time return looks odd, but it's not. In 1946-1948, NYC added back a few summer passenger trains on the CMB. Train 537 was a Friday-only short turn from Kingston to Stamford. There was no corresponding schedule for a return as a regular train, but it is most likely that they ran in reverse to Arkville and turned the engine for the rest of the return to Kingston. The return move would have been an extra train, which could be easily handled with one train order and Clearance Form A.
Stamford was open as a train order office and manual block station until after 537's scheduled arrival. The train order would simply read, "Engine 811 run extra Stamford to Kingston." The Clearance Form A would show "Clear Block." No other manual block stations were open between Stamford and Kingston, so that was all the authority needed for Extra 811 East from Stamford to Kingston.
I don't know if they brought the passenger cars back to Kingston, or left them at Stamford. Maximum speed for passenger trains on the CMB was 45 mph, for light engines 35 mph, and for engines running backward, 20 mph; unless otherwise restricted. Probably the fastest move would be with the train, for the highest speed after turning the engine at Arkville.
A corresponding eastward train, No. 538, ran from Stamford to Kingston on Sunday evenings. Trains 537 and 538 connected with West Shore trains 37 and 38 that ran from and to Weehawken. For a long time, they were known in Stamford as the "Husband's Train." The families came to hotels in the Stamford area for summer vacations. The fathers and husbands came up for weekend visits.
Gordon Davids
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Dick Cooper Time Book - Whitehall 1968
8/16/68 RW6, power 707-708-709, through freight rate, marked on Whitehall 1:00 AM, marked of Oneonta 6:20 AM, on duty 5:20, paid $31.40 for 130 miles, R. Gillespee engineer, Cooper fireman.
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Ed Cox
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Dick Cooper Time Book - 1975
8/26/75 layed over
8/27/75 RW6, power N&W U30Bs 8524-8535-8515-8533-8531, through freight rate, marked on Whitehall 3:15 AM, marked off Oneonta 9:30 AM, on duty 6:15, paid $59.14 for 130 miles, Jack A. Farrell engineer, Cooper fireman.
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Ed Cox
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Dick Cooper Time Book - 1950s
6/26/52 lower end yard, power 3014, yard rate, marked on Mechanicville 4:00 PM, marked off Mechanicville 11:59 PM, on duty 7:59, paid $14.55 for 100 miles, Quinlan engineer, Cooper fireman.
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Ed Cox
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Ed Cox
Bill><>