Dick Cooper Time Book - NYC Catskill Mountain Branch
7/30/47 #502, power FX heavy class 4-6-0 811, passenger rate, marked on Oneonta 11:05 AM, marked off Kingston 4:05 PM, on duty 5:00, paid $9.04 for 106 miles, Barton engineer, Cooper fireman.
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Ed Cox
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Dick Cooper Time Book - 1970s
12/5/70 WR1, power 312-306-314-305-313, through freight rate, marked on Oneonta 10:15 AM, 23" initial terminal delay, marked off Whitehall 3:45 PM, on duty 5:30, paid $36.74 for 135 miles, John T. Bowen engineer, Cooper fireman.
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Ed Cox
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Wally and List -
I can copy the .GIF files from my
D&H Valuation Map files that I bought from Scott Whitney. I
believe that is fair use. But - Shameless Plug - Scott is selling
those files on special this weekend (Dec 21-22) with special
prices. His CD of D&H "Land" Valuation Maps is a nearly
complete set of D&H val maps that show practically everything
on the property since about 1916. They show dates of all
improvements and retirements, as well as land transactions with
dates on deeds back to The Delaware and Hudson Canal Co. and the
Schenectady and Saratoga Railway. One of the recorded deeds is
dated July 28, 1825 from John Wirtz, Trustee, the The D&H
Canal Company in Carbondale.
The D&H maintained the original
ink-on-linen tracings of those maps in a the Chief Engineer's
Office in Albany when I worked there. Fred Haines did most of the
additions and edits the hard way, with India ink, but I can claim
credit for a few, myself, although I can't recall right now which
maps I worked on.
Those val maps were compiled by each
common carrier railroad in the U.S. following the Railroad
Valuation Act of 1916 (+/- ?). They record all fixed property at
the time of the first survey, and then a second survey around
1922, with additions and retirements referenced to AFE's
(Authorization for Expenditure) covering capital improvements.?
All railroads used the same general
format and recorded the same data as prescribed by the Interstate
Commerce Commission. The val maps are two-dimensional.
The third dimension, showing grades and
excavation, was recorded in "Mass Diagrams" that placed a value on
the excavation required in line construction. Those are somewhat
arcane, having used a calculation procedure that is known only to
civil engineers. ("Over-haul" does not refer to the trousers
common to railroaders at the time.)
Some data on the val maps might seem
mysterious. I think I can claim some expertise in that area, and
I'm always happy to answer short questions with long answers.
I plan to update my D&H files from
Scott today, along with several more collections including the
Erie, NYO&W, NYC, etc.
Scott -
If you are reading this, I would
suggest that you change the terminology on your web site from
"Land Valuation" to, maybe, "Property Valuation Map."? In railroad
industry terminology they are nearly always called "Valuation
Maps" or just "Val Maps." Of course, the data goes far beyond real
estate transactions.
You can expect my order this weekend.
73, Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays
to all.
- Gordon Davids / WJ3K
On 12/20/2019 9:45 PM, Wally Day wrote:
Hi
Gordon ( other ¡°listers¡±). Would there be any chance of your doing
a scan of the pre-and post PAFB ( to a lesser extent pre-and post
I-87) Plattsburgh area Branch track relocations? ?I¡¯ve spent hours
staring at the ones in Prof Mike Kudish¡¯s books, but I¡¯m not quite
sure of their accuracy. ?
Back in those pre-scanner days listening to RR radio
communications left a lot to be desired for folks like me, thus
availability of good info was much harder to come by
73,
Wally
KC2PBK
On Dec 19, 2019, at 8:22 PM,
Gordon Davids via Groups.Io
<g.davids@...> wrote:
?"West End" on the Champlain Division was
really not that much of a mystery. When the Plattsburgh
Track Gang went to West End to clean switches on Monday,
Wednesday and Friday ahead of SC-15, the "Hog Job," they
and I knew where they were. They were referring all of
the Freydenburgh Falls Branch.
The valuation map shows "West End" as the original
(1946) junction switch of the west end of the
Freydenburgh Falls Branch with the Chateaugay Branch.
The Freydenburg Falls Branch was relocated in 1967 and
that junction switch was moved to the west about 1200
feet, but it was still called "West End."
A map of track relocations south and west of Plattsburgh
looks like a bowl of spaghetti, dating long before the
Air Force Base was built.
- Gordon Davids
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Dick Cooper Time Book - Rio Grande
10/5/59 Qualified as hostler and forced on vacant 3:59 PM Burnham job.
10/5/59 hostler, hostler rate, marked on Burnham 3:59 PM, marked off Burnham 11:59 PM, on duty 8:00, paid $21.44 for 100 miles.
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Ed Cox
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Re: Dick Cooper Time Book - With E.B. King - West End
Hi Gordon ( other ¡°listers¡±). Would there be any chance of your doing a scan of the pre-and post PAFB ( to a lesser extent pre-and post I-87) Plattsburgh area Branch track relocations? ?I¡¯ve spent hours staring at the ones in Prof Mike Kudish¡¯s books, but I¡¯m not quite sure of their accuracy. ? Back in those pre-scanner days listening to RR radio communications left a lot to be desired for folks like me, thus availability of good info was much harder to come by
73, Wally
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On Dec 19, 2019, at 8:22 PM, Gordon Davids via Groups.Io <g.davids@...> wrote:
?"West End" on the Champlain Division was really not that much of a mystery. When the Plattsburgh Track Gang went to West End to clean switches on Monday, Wednesday and Friday ahead of SC-15, the "Hog Job," they and I knew where they were. They were referring all of the Freydenburgh Falls Branch.
The valuation map shows "West End" as the original (1946) junction switch of the west end of the Freydenburgh Falls Branch with the Chateaugay Branch. The Freydenburg Falls Branch was relocated in 1967 and that junction switch was moved to the west about 1200 feet, but it was still called "West End."
A map of track relocations south and west of Plattsburgh looks like a bowl of spaghetti, dating long before the Air Force Base was built.
- Gordon Davids
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Dick Cooper Time Book - 1967
9/3/67 RW6, power 5006-5000-4079-5016, through freight rate, marked on Whitehall 2:15 AM, marked off Oneonta 9:45 AM, on duty 7:30, paid $31.81 for 30 miles, John T. Bowen engineer, Cooper fireman.
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Ed Cox
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Re: Dick Cooper Time Book - With E.B. King - West End
"West End" on the Champlain Division was really not that much of a mystery. When the Plattsburgh Track Gang went to West End to clean switches on Monday, Wednesday and Friday ahead of SC-15, the "Hog Job," they and I knew where they were. They were referring all of the Freydenburgh Falls Branch.
The valuation map shows "West End" as the original (1946) junction switch of the west end of the Freydenburgh Falls Branch with the Chateaugay Branch. The Freydenburg Falls Branch was relocated in 1967 and that junction switch was moved to the west about 1200 feet, but it was still called "West End."
A map of track relocations south and west of Plattsburgh looks like a bowl of spaghetti, dating long before the Air Force Base was built.
- Gordon Davids
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Re: Dick Cooper Time Book - With E.B. King
Thanks to ¡°Chief¡± Howard (and others too) for pointing out that there ?was an ¡°officially named¡± WE on the former A&S.? I find it interesting that¡¯s AFIK, Dick was the the only person to refer to the end of the Freydenburgh (Falls) Branch as West End or WE. Others local railroaders I knew usually referred to this location as ¡°Imperial¡±. ?Guess nobody ever came up with a short (or easily recognized) abbreviation for Freydenburgh !
Merry Christmas to everyone on this list!
Wally
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On Dec 19, 2019, at 6:42 AM, Ed Cox via Groups.Io <edcox13@...> wrote:
?2/22/55 SC14 to WE & Ausable, power 4037, yard rate, marked on Plattsburgh 2:30 PM, marked off Plattsburgh 7:40 PM, on duty 5:10, paid $15.51 for 100 miles, E.B. King engineer, Cooper fireman.
At least we know where "WE"s are now.
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Ed Cox
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Dick Cooper Time Book - With E.B. King
2/22/55 SC14 to WE & Ausable, power 4037, yard rate, marked on Plattsburgh 2:30 PM, marked off Plattsburgh 7:40 PM, on duty 5:10, paid $15.51 for 100 miles, E.B. King engineer, Cooper fireman.
At least we know where "WE"s are now.
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Ed Cox
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Dick Cooper Time Book - D&H Steam
1/3/52 deadhead, through freight rate, marked on Mohawk 10:45 PM, marked off Colonie 11:59 PM, on duty 1:14, paid $2.05 for 16 miles.
1/4/52 lite move, power J class 4-6-6-4 1539, through freight rate, marked on Colonie 1:00 AM, marked off Oneonta 10:40 AM, on duty 9:40, paid $16.82 for 131 miles, Bateman engineer, Cooper fireman.
1/4/52 deadhead, through freight rate, marked on Oneonta 3:30 PM, marked off Mohawk 7:05 PM, on duty 3:35, paid $9.24 for 72 miles.
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Ed Cox
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Dick Cooper Time Book - Whitehall 1968
8/12/68 RW6, power 5006-5003-5007-5002-5014, through freight rate, marked on Whitehall 2:45 AM, marked off Oneonta 9:50 AM, on duty 7:05, paid $32.06 for 131 miles, John T. Bowen engineer, Cooper fireman.
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Ed Cox
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Dick Cooper Time Book - 1975
8/22/75 Layed over
8/23/75 RW6, power 2311-2316-N&W U30B 8516-8527-8521, through freight rate, marked on Whitehall 4:30 AM, 15" initial terminal delay, marked off Oneonta 4:20 PM, on duty 11:50, paid $71.74 for 157 miles, Jack A. Farrell engineer, Cooper fireman.
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Ed Cox
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From: howard hontz <hontzh@...>
Date: Fri, Dec 13, 2019 at 3:02 PM
Subject: The Mystery
To: kip grant <kipgrant@...>
Hi Kip:
Well, I finally figured out what Cooper was making reference to when
he reported his assignment to assist RW-2 to WE. According to Time
Table No.26, dated April 29, 1951 WE cabin was located at M.P.56.9 or
2.2 miles South of DA cabin. The cabin DA was later renamed to DE
Cabin. So the thinking that WE was reference to West End which is the
location south of Plattsburgh had nothing to do with their
assignment.They pushed RW-2 south probably from Mohawk to East
Worcester( M.P. 56.9) and returned.
The cabin and the call letters for it, WE, have been gone for many years.
Mystery solved
Howard
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Dick Cooper Time Book - 1950s
6/21/52 towed, power B-7 class 0-8-0 163, through freight rate, marked on Mechanicville 11:35 AM, marked off Colonie 12:50 PM, on duty 1:15, paid $15.03 for 100 miles.
When an engine was being towed, it was necessary to have someone on board to keep the engine running so all the oil injectors worked properly. Just towing a dead engine for any distance would cause damage to the main pistons.?
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Ed Cox
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Dick Cooper Time Book - Guilford Error
12/16/84 RPME, power 7403-502-MEC 228, through freight rate, marked on Rouses Point 11:45 PM, 4:30 premium time, marked off Mechanicville 8:30 AM, on duty 8:45, paid $226.28 for 236 miles, Cooper engineer, D.R. Chrisman fireman, M.J. "Pooper" Willett conductor.
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Ed Cox
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Re: Dick Cooper Time Book - 1960s
Interesting ( as always). Dick was used as an Emergency Engineer, ?not all that unusual based on your posts. But Phil Lamarche as a Fireman? He was on the roster as a trainman/brakeman. But I had been told that any train service qualified employee could be used as a fireman if need be. Guess seeing this confirms this.? Love these, keep ¡®em coming.? Wally
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On Dec 13, 2019, at 7:37 AM, Ed Cox via Groups.Io < edcox13@...> wrote: 3/20/60 Plattsburgh yard, power 4054, yard-local freight rate, marked on Plattsburgh 6:30 AM, marked off Plattsburgh 2:30 PM, on duty 8:00, paid $22.42 for 100 miles, Cooper emergency engineer, P.M. Lamarche fireman, T.A. Kemp conductor.
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Ed Cox
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Dick Cooper Time Book - 1960s
3/20/60 Plattsburgh yard, power 4054, yard-local freight rate, marked on Plattsburgh 6:30 AM, marked off Plattsburgh 2:30 PM, on duty 8:00, paid $22.42 for 100 miles, Cooper emergency engineer, P.M. Lamarche fireman, T.A. Kemp conductor.
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Ed Cox
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Dick Cooper Time Book - NYC Catskill Mountain Branch
7/29/47 #521, power FX heavy 4-6-0 811, passenger rate, marked on Kingston 10:15 AM, marked off Oneonta 3:55 PM, on duty 5:40, paid $9.32 for 110 miles, Barton engineer, Cooper fireman.
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Ed Cox
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Dick Cooper Time Book - 1970s
12/4/70 RO6, power 313-305-314-306-312, through freight rate, marked on Whitehall 2:15 AM, 1:41 initial terminal delay, 30" switching @ MX, marked off Oneonta 10:00 AM, on duty 7:45, paid $43.74 for 160 miles, John T. Bowen engineer, Cooper fireman.
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Ed Cox
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