Re: Dick Cooper Time Book - 1960s
I believe A.J. Bombardier was either father or uncle of conductor Bill Bombardier who only retired from the D&H (CP) at Saratoga within the last 10 years.? Railroading used to be a family tradition.? Not sure if it remains as such?
Al W.
12/18/61 SC-20, power 4127-4034-4104-4110, local freight rate, marked on Rouses Point 9:00 AM, cut 4127 @ BU, marked off Whitehall 7:00 PM, on duty 10:00, paid $31.15 for 142 miles, A.J. Bombardier engineer, Cooper fireman.
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Dick Cooper Time Book - Rio Grande
11/4/61 XE1 (extra east), power narrow gauge class K-36 2-8-2 486, local freight rate, marked on Chama 11:30 AM, no steam, 3:45 penalty time, 3:45 switching, ran lite, paid $40.66 for 200 miles, C.T. Sisemore engineer, Cooper fireman.
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Dick Cooper Time Book - 1960s
12/18/61 SC-20, power 4127-4034-4104-4110, local freight rate, marked on Rouses Point 9:00 AM, cut 4127 @ BU, marked off Whitehall 7:00 PM, on duty 10:00, paid $31.15 for 142 miles, A.J. Bombardier engineer, Cooper fireman.
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Dick Cooper Time Book - 1950s
4/25-28/53 Layed in.
?
4/29/53 brakeman Mohawk yard, power 4118, yard rate, marked on Mohawk 7:00 AM, marked off Mohawk 3:00 PM, on duty 8:00, paid $15.54 for 100 miles, conductor McGillian, Cooper brakeman.
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Dick Cooper Time Book - Guilford Error
10/18/85 Regular day off.
?
10/19/85 PYRP, power B&M 309-307-D&H 7412, through freight rate, marked on Mechanicville 11:30 PM, taxi to train @ Mohawk, marked off Rouses Point 7:30 AM, on duty 8:00, paid $197.37 for 190 miles, Cooper engineer, no fireman, T. Heller conductor.
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Dick Cooper Time Book - 1980s
6/28/80 WR-7, power 2314, yard rate, marked on Hudson 1:00 PM, 45" initial terminal delay, picked up train and more power @ Carey Ave. 7613-7402-7618-CR GP38-2 8232, switched Green Ridge, 51" final terminal delay, marked off Oneonta 12:55 AM, on duty 11:55, paid $174.22 for 183 miles, Cooper engineer, no fireman, Tommy Flynn conductor.
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Dick Cooper Time Book - 1970s
5/27/71 WR-1, power 754-310-762, through freight rate, marked on Oneonta 9:45 AM, marked off Whitehall 3:15 PM, on duty 5:30, paid $39.12 for 130 miles, Stan Chapman engineer, Cooper fireman.
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Dick Cooper Time Book - 1969
5/10/69 RW-6, power 5009-5002-4098-4073-4091, through freight rate, marked on Whitehall 4:30 AM, 25" initial terminal delay, change power with WR-3 to 316-302-304-306-307, marked off Oneonta 11:45 AM, on duty 7:15, paid $35.71 for 135 miles, John Bowen engineer, Cooper fireman.
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Dick Cooper Time Book - 1962
8/14/62 Plattsburg yard, power 4097, yard-local freight rate, marked on Plattsburg 6:30 AM, marked off Plattsburg 2:30 PM, on duty 8:00, paid $22.56 for 100 miles, F.C. Adams engineer, Cooper fireman.
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Dick Cooper Time Book - Rio Grande
11/3/61 helper #3, power narrow gauge class K-36 2-8-2 486, through freight rate, marked on Chama 10:15 AM, ran lite, marked off Chama 3:45 PM, on duty 5:30, paid $20.45 for 100 miles, C.T. Sisemore engineer, Cooper fireman.
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Re: Dick Cooper Time Book - 1960s
Ed----
? ? Well, t hat all makes sense!? Thanks for your explanation.? I remember you said this once before, but apparently I deleted it.? Thnks, also for the "layed in" etc. explanations.? They also make sense.
Dave Simmons
Dave,
The difference between being "furloughed" and being "fired" is basically, "furloughed" is like being "laid off" from a job because of lack of work. For the railroad, if they had too many men on the extra boards, the union would petition the company to furlough people so they could collect unemployment benefits. That way, the men still working the extra board would have enough money to make ends meet. The company did want furloughed people back when the business increased.
Being "fired" means the company does not want you around anymore. Basically, they are terminating your employment.
Ed
On Saturday, October 12, 2024 at 02:48:53 PM EDT, Ed Cox via groups.io <edcox13@...> wrote:
Dave,
Dad used these "layed" terms throughout his career.
"Layed? in"? - meant he was on the extra board and available for work, but no jobs were available that day.
"Layed off" - meant he chose not to work that day.
"Layed over" - meant the crew of a two way job (0ne day out and the next day back) did not come back on day two. They were held over at the away terminal for an extra day.
Hope this helps.
Ed
On Saturday, October 12, 2024 at 06:38:53 AM EDT, Ed Cox via groups.io <edcox13@...> wrote:
12/9/61 Layed in.
?
12/10/61 Layed in. Cut off Plattsburg extra list and marked up on Rouses Point extra list 9:40 PM.
?
12/11/61 Layed in. Cut off Rouses Point extra list and furloughed @ noon.
?
12/12-13/61 Furloughed.
?
12/14/61 Marked up on Rouses Point extra list. Layed in.
?
12/15-16/61 Layed in.
?
12/17/61 WHT (Whitehall Turn), power 4074-4104-4034, local freight rate, marked on Rouses Point 9:00 AM, change to 4034-4104-4127 @ Whitehall, marked off Rouses Point 9:40 PM, on duty 12:40, paid $48.58 for 230 miles, P.B. O'Neil engineer, Cooper fireman.
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Ed Cox
-- Ed Cox
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Re: Dick Cooper Time Book - 1960s
Dave,
The difference between being "furloughed" and being "fired" is basically, "furloughed" is like being "laid off" from a job because of lack of work. For the railroad, if they had too many men on the extra boards, the union would petition the company to furlough people so they could collect unemployment benefits. That way, the men still working the extra board would have enough money to make ends meet. The company did want furloughed people back when the business increased.
Being "fired" means the company does not want you around anymore. Basically, they are terminating your employment.
Ed
On Saturday, October 12, 2024 at 02:48:53 PM EDT, Ed Cox via groups.io <edcox13@...> wrote:
Dave,
Dad used these "layed" terms throughout his career.
"Layed? in"? - meant he was on the extra board and available for work, but no jobs were available that day.
"Layed off" - meant he chose not to work that day.
"Layed over" - meant the crew of a two way job (0ne day out and the next day back) did not come back on day two. They were held over at the away terminal for an extra day.
Hope this helps.
Ed
On Saturday, October 12, 2024 at 06:38:53 AM EDT, Ed Cox via groups.io <edcox13@...> wrote:
12/9/61 Layed in.
?
12/10/61 Layed in. Cut off Plattsburg extra list and marked up on Rouses Point extra list 9:40 PM.
?
12/11/61 Layed in. Cut off Rouses Point extra list and furloughed @ noon.
?
12/12-13/61 Furloughed.
?
12/14/61 Marked up on Rouses Point extra list. Layed in.
?
12/15-16/61 Layed in.
?
12/17/61 WHT (Whitehall Turn), power 4074-4104-4034, local freight rate, marked on Rouses Point 9:00 AM, change to 4034-4104-4127 @ Whitehall, marked off Rouses Point 9:40 PM, on duty 12:40, paid $48.58 for 230 miles, P.B. O'Neil engineer, Cooper fireman.
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Ed Cox
-- Ed Cox
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Re: Dick Cooper Time Book - 1960s
Dave,
Dad used these "layed" terms throughout his career.
"Layed? in"? - meant he was on the extra board and available for work, but no jobs were available that day.
"Layed off" - meant he chose not to work that day.
"Layed over" - meant the crew of a two way job (0ne day out and the next day back) did not come back on day two. They were held over at the away terminal for an extra day.
Hope this helps.
Ed
On Saturday, October 12, 2024 at 06:38:53 AM EDT, Ed Cox via groups.io <edcox13@...> wrote:
12/9/61 Layed in.
?
12/10/61 Layed in. Cut off Plattsburg extra list and marked up on Rouses Point extra list 9:40 PM.
?
12/11/61 Layed in. Cut off Rouses Point extra list and furloughed @ noon.
?
12/12-13/61 Furloughed.
?
12/14/61 Marked up on Rouses Point extra list. Layed in.
?
12/15-16/61 Layed in.
?
12/17/61 WHT (Whitehall Turn), power 4074-4104-4034, local freight rate, marked on Rouses Point 9:00 AM, change to 4034-4104-4127 @ Whitehall, marked off Rouses Point 9:40 PM, on duty 12:40, paid $48.58 for 230 miles, P.B. O'Neil engineer, Cooper fireman.
-- Ed Cox
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Re: Dick Cooper Time Book - 1960s
Ed --
? ? That must? have been a rough week!? Please explain "Layed in" again .? What's the difference , if any, between "being furloughed" and "being fired?"
Dave Simmons
12/9/61 Layed in.
?
12/10/61 Layed in. Cut off Plattsburg extra list and marked up on Rouses Point extra list 9:40 PM.
?
12/11/61 Layed in. Cut off Rouses Point extra list and furloughed @ noon.
?
12/12-13/61 Furloughed.
?
12/14/61 Marked up on Rouses Point extra list. Layed in.
?
12/15-16/61 Layed in.
?
12/17/61 WHT (Whitehall Turn), power 4074-4104-4034, local freight rate, marked on Rouses Point 9:00 AM, change to 4034-4104-4127 @ Whitehall, marked off Rouses Point 9:40 PM, on duty 12:40, paid $48.58 for 230 miles, P.B. O'Neil engineer, Cooper fireman.
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Dick Cooper Time Book - 1960s
12/9/61 Layed in.
?
12/10/61 Layed in. Cut off Plattsburg extra list and marked up on Rouses Point extra list 9:40 PM.
?
12/11/61 Layed in. Cut off Rouses Point extra list and furloughed @ noon.
?
12/12-13/61 Furloughed.
?
12/14/61 Marked up on Rouses Point extra list. Layed in.
?
12/15-16/61 Layed in.
?
12/17/61 WHT (Whitehall Turn), power 4074-4104-4034, local freight rate, marked on Rouses Point 9:00 AM, change to 4034-4104-4127 @ Whitehall, marked off Rouses Point 9:40 PM, on duty 12:40, paid $48.58 for 230 miles, P.B. O'Neil engineer, Cooper fireman.
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Dick Cooper Time Book - 1950s
4/23/53 Layed in. Missed call for 8:45 PM Colonie pusher.
?
4/24/53 Mohawk yard, power 3011, yard-local freight rate, marked on Mohawk 6:30 AM, marked off Mohawk 2:30 PM, on duty 8:00, paid $15.19 for 100 miles, Young engineer, Cooper fireman.
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Dick Cooper Time Book - Guilford Error
10/17/85 RPPY, power B&M 202-D&H 7324-MEC 232, through freight rate, marked on Rouses Point 10:00 PM, 1:00 premium time, 1:40 initial terminal delay, 28" switching Ft. Edward, train to Mohawk, taxi to Mechanicville, marked off Mechanicville 9:45 AM, on duty 11:45, paid $301.25 for 290 miles, Cooper engineer, no fireman, T. Heller conductor.
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Re: Dick Cooper Time Book - 1980s
Thanks for the verification Breezy.
Ed
On Wednesday, October 9, 2024 at 07:14:05 PM EDT, Engr. Breezy via groups.io <engrbreezy@...> wrote:
Dave & Ed, ? ? Hudson yard is no more. Only thing left is a track off the main (RJ Corman's L&S (Luzerne & Susquehanna)) used for NS interchange. to them. The L&S also gets their NS interchange at Langclif (Avoca) & occasionally at Buttonwood. ? ? Breezy
On Wednesday, October 9, 2024 at 02:07:30 PM EDT, Ed Cox via groups.io <edcox13@...> wrote:
Dave,
Hudson is just north-east of Wilkes Barre. I don't think Hudson yard is still in use. It is where the interchange used to be after Conrail started up.
As for how long it took; I imagine deferred track and equipment work as well as Conrail caused delays were the reasons for the long trip. Remember, the D&H was only holding on by threads at this time. Before Conrail, the trip would have been 4-6 hours, I'm sure.
Ed
On Wednesday, October 9, 2024 at 01:53:16 PM EDT, Dave Simmons via groups.io <bdsimm7@...> wrote:
Ed -- It seems that trains between Hudson & Oneonta take a long time.? This one took 11 hours!? Is it because they have to go through Carbondale and Scranton and drop or pick up cars?? Or is there just more congestion from switchers, etc.? Where, exactly is Hudson, anyway?? Somewhere between Scranton and Wilkes-Barre?? Is it still being? used for railroading?\ Dave Simmons Watertown, NY Dave?
6/27/80 OEN-2, power 7606-2314, through freight rate, marked on Oneonta 3:00 PM, train to NC, marked off Hudson 2:00 AM, on duty 11:00, paid $128.11 for 144 miles Cooper engineer, no fireman, Tommy Flynn conductor.
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Ed Cox
-- Ed Cox
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Re: Dick Cooper Time Book - 1980s
Dave & Ed, ? ? Hudson yard is no more. Only thing left is a track off the main (RJ Corman's L&S (Luzerne & Susquehanna)) used for NS interchange. to them. The L&S also gets their NS interchange at Langclif (Avoca) & occasionally at Buttonwood. ? ? Breezy
On Wednesday, October 9, 2024 at 02:07:30 PM EDT, Ed Cox via groups.io <edcox13@...> wrote:
Dave,
Hudson is just north-east of Wilkes Barre. I don't think Hudson yard is still in use. It is where the interchange used to be after Conrail started up.
As for how long it took; I imagine deferred track and equipment work as well as Conrail caused delays were the reasons for the long trip. Remember, the D&H was only holding on by threads at this time. Before Conrail, the trip would have been 4-6 hours, I'm sure.
Ed
On Wednesday, October 9, 2024 at 01:53:16 PM EDT, Dave Simmons via groups.io <bdsimm7@...> wrote:
Ed -- It seems that trains between Hudson & Oneonta take a long time.? This one took 11 hours!? Is it because they have to go through Carbondale and Scranton and drop or pick up cars?? Or is there just more congestion from switchers, etc.? Where, exactly is Hudson, anyway?? Somewhere between Scranton and Wilkes-Barre?? Is it still being? used for railroading?\ Dave Simmons Watertown, NY Dave?
6/27/80 OEN-2, power 7606-2314, through freight rate, marked on Oneonta 3:00 PM, train to NC, marked off Hudson 2:00 AM, on duty 11:00, paid $128.11 for 144 miles Cooper engineer, no fireman, Tommy Flynn conductor.
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Ed Cox
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Re: Dick Cooper Time Book - 1980s
Dave,
Hudson is just north-east of Wilkes Barre. I don't think Hudson yard is still in use. It is where the interchange used to be after Conrail started up.
As for how long it took; I imagine deferred track and equipment work as well as Conrail caused delays were the reasons for the long trip. Remember, the D&H was only holding on by threads at this time. Before Conrail, the trip would have been 4-6 hours, I'm sure.
Ed
On Wednesday, October 9, 2024 at 01:53:16 PM EDT, Dave Simmons via groups.io <bdsimm7@...> wrote:
Ed -- It seems that trains between Hudson & Oneonta take a long time.? This one took 11 hours!? Is it because they have to go through Carbondale and Scranton and drop or pick up cars?? Or is there just more congestion from switchers, etc.? Where, exactly is Hudson, anyway?? Somewhere between Scranton and Wilkes-Barre?? Is it still being? used for railroading?\ Dave Simmons Watertown, NY Dave?
6/27/80 OEN-2, power 7606-2314, through freight rate, marked on Oneonta 3:00 PM, train to NC, marked off Hudson 2:00 AM, on duty 11:00, paid $128.11 for 144 miles Cooper engineer, no fireman, Tommy Flynn conductor.
-- Ed Cox
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Ed Cox