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RS Units - Two Schemes

 

D&H #5014 RS-11 leading freight, Fall 1964. No location. Seems like north of Oneonta.

Charles


Dick Cooper Time Book - 1962

 

5/9-11/62 Layed in.

5/12/62 RW6, power 4092-4127-4123, through freight rate, marked on Rouses Point 8:00 PM, marked off Whitehall 12:10 AM, on duty 4:10, paid $23.83 for 115 miles, J.E. Graziano engineer, Cooper fireman.


Re: Fresh Power

 

North end of Bevier Street Yard in Binghamton, NY.

EDFLD Bill


Re: Fresh Power

 

I stand corrected. I guess I assumed the ex-EL units maintained the original configuration. Never assume!

Ed

On Monday, May 13, 2024 at 02:30:50 PM EDT, Bruce and Dana Archer <bad@...> wrote:


Hi Ed!
???? The C-424m locos, N0. 451 to 456 had the non-"horned" "B" ends as seen by the image attached.

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From: "Ed Cox via groups.io"
To: "[email protected]"
Cc:
Sent: Monday May 13 2024 1:55:28PM
Subject: Re: [DandH-Railroad] Fresh Power

All nine had the extended radiators.

Ed

On Monday, May 13, 2024 at 11:55:09 AM EDT, Bruce and Dana Archer <bad@...> wrote:


Hi All!
???? If you look at the "B" ends of? 461 and 462, they have the "horns" at the rear of the radiators. So the Life-Like C-424 are very close to the C-424ms $61-463.
????? I never thought I would say this, but they look good in the "dip" scheme.

Bruce

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From: "Charles Woolever via groups.io"
To: [email protected]
Cc:
Sent: Monday May 13 2024 9:35:47AM
Subject: [DandH-Railroad] Fresh Power

D&H #463, 462, 461 C424m fresh. Should be 1980. No other date or location.

I see the other D&H power. Taylor or Binghamton? Maybe the power lines over the yard are a tell. These were the G&W-financed Alcos from GE Hornell.

Charles

--
Ed Cox

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Ed Cox


Re: Fresh Power

 

All nine units came from ALCO with the "horns" or eyebrows. When the units were rebuilt at Hornell 451 thru 456 had the eyebrows cut back flush with the carbody end. It remains a mystery as to why 461 thru 463 did not get the same treatment. Later model 424 units had the rear flush with a bevel under the numberboards.
461-463 , 451, 453-455 were former Erie (EL) and 452 and 456 were ex reading.


Geoff

On Monday, May 13, 2024, 02:49:40 PM EDT, century430 <century430@...> wrote:


There's a good chance D&H accepted delivery at Hornell since they ran through there. I've seen images of D&H power fueling at the Hornell racks in the late 70s.

Jim?


From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of Bruce and Dana Archer <bad@...>
Sent: Monday, May 13, 2024 11:50 AM
To: '[email protected]' <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [DandH-Railroad] Fresh Power
?
Hi!
?? Bevier Street makes sense as they came from Hornell, NY, and were in all probability delived via the Southern Tier.

Bruce

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From: "Charles Woolever via groups.io"
To: [email protected]
Cc:
Sent: Monday May 13 2024 9:35:47AM
Subject: [DandH-Railroad] Fresh Power

D&H #463, 462, 461 C424m fresh. Should be 1980. No other date or location.

I see the other D&H power. Taylor or Binghamton? Maybe the power lines over the yard are a tell. These were the G&W-financed Alcos from GE Hornell.

Charles


Re: Fresh Power

 

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There's a good chance D&H accepted delivery at Hornell since they ran through there. I've seen images of D&H power fueling at the Hornell racks in the late 70s.

Jim?


From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of Bruce and Dana Archer <bad@...>
Sent: Monday, May 13, 2024 11:50 AM
To: '[email protected]' <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [DandH-Railroad] Fresh Power
?
Hi!
?? Bevier Street makes sense as they came from Hornell, NY, and were in all probability delived via the Southern Tier.

Bruce

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From: "Charles Woolever via groups.io"
To: [email protected]
Cc:
Sent: Monday May 13 2024 9:35:47AM
Subject: [DandH-Railroad] Fresh Power

D&H #463, 462, 461 C424m fresh. Should be 1980. No other date or location.

I see the other D&H power. Taylor or Binghamton? Maybe the power lines over the yard are a tell. These were the G&W-financed Alcos from GE Hornell.

Charles


Re: Fresh Power

 

Hi Ed!
???? The C-424m locos, N0. 451 to 456 had the non-"horned" "B" ends as seen by the image attached.

-----------------------------------------

From: "Ed Cox via groups.io"
To: "[email protected]"
Cc:
Sent: Monday May 13 2024 1:55:28PM
Subject: Re: [DandH-Railroad] Fresh Power

All nine had the extended radiators.

Ed

On Monday, May 13, 2024 at 11:55:09 AM EDT, Bruce and Dana Archer <bad@...> wrote:


Hi All!
???? If you look at the "B" ends of? 461 and 462, they have the "horns" at the rear of the radiators. So the Life-Like C-424 are very close to the C-424ms $61-463.
????? I never thought I would say this, but they look good in the "dip" scheme.

Bruce

-----------------------------------------

From: "Charles Woolever via groups.io"
To: [email protected]
Cc:
Sent: Monday May 13 2024 9:35:47AM
Subject: [DandH-Railroad] Fresh Power

D&H #463, 462, 461 C424m fresh. Should be 1980. No other date or location.

I see the other D&H power. Taylor or Binghamton? Maybe the power lines over the yard are a tell. These were the G&W-financed Alcos from GE Hornell.

Charles

--
Ed Cox


Re: Fresh Power

 

All nine had the extended radiators.

Ed

On Monday, May 13, 2024 at 11:55:09 AM EDT, Bruce and Dana Archer <bad@...> wrote:


Hi All!
???? If you look at the "B" ends of? 461 and 462, they have the "horns" at the rear of the radiators. So the Life-Like C-424 are very close to the C-424ms $61-463.
????? I never thought I would say this, but they look good in the "dip" scheme.

Bruce

-----------------------------------------

From: "Charles Woolever via groups.io"
To: [email protected]
Cc:
Sent: Monday May 13 2024 9:35:47AM
Subject: [DandH-Railroad] Fresh Power

D&H #463, 462, 461 C424m fresh. Should be 1980. No other date or location.

I see the other D&H power. Taylor or Binghamton? Maybe the power lines over the yard are a tell. These were the G&W-financed Alcos from GE Hornell.

Charles

--
Ed Cox


Re: Fresh Power

 

Hi All!
???? If you look at the "B" ends of? 461 and 462, they have the "horns" at the rear of the radiators. So the Life-Like C-424 are very close to the C-424ms $61-463.
????? I never thought I would say this, but they look good in the "dip" scheme.

Bruce

-----------------------------------------

From: "Charles Woolever via groups.io"
To: [email protected]
Cc:
Sent: Monday May 13 2024 9:35:47AM
Subject: [DandH-Railroad] Fresh Power

D&H #463, 462, 461 C424m fresh. Should be 1980. No other date or location.

I see the other D&H power. Taylor or Binghamton? Maybe the power lines over the yard are a tell. These were the G&W-financed Alcos from GE Hornell.

Charles


Re: Fresh Power

 

Hi!
?? Bevier Street makes sense as they came from Hornell, NY, and were in all probability delived via the Southern Tier.

Bruce

-----------------------------------------

From: "Charles Woolever via groups.io"
To: [email protected]
Cc:
Sent: Monday May 13 2024 9:35:47AM
Subject: [DandH-Railroad] Fresh Power

D&H #463, 462, 461 C424m fresh. Should be 1980. No other date or location.

I see the other D&H power. Taylor or Binghamton? Maybe the power lines over the yard are a tell. These were the G&W-financed Alcos from GE Hornell.

Charles


Re: Fresh Power

 

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This looks like Bevier St.

Jim Rowland


From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of Charles Woolever via groups.io <yahoo@...>
Sent: Monday, May 13, 2024 9:35 AM
To: [email protected] <[email protected]>
Subject: [DandH-Railroad] Fresh Power
?
D&H #463, 462, 461 C424m fresh. Should be 1980. No other date or location.

I see the other D&H power. Taylor or Binghamton? Maybe the power lines over the yard are a tell. These were the G&W-financed Alcos from GE Hornell.

Charles


Almost LV-Like

 

D&H #408 C420 leading freight, May 1976. No location. Other than the rectangle over the diamond, still LV-like in appearance.

Charles


Fresh Power

 

D&H #463, 462, 461 C424m fresh. Should be 1980. No other date or location.

I see the other D&H power. Taylor or Binghamton? Maybe the power lines over the yard are a tell. These were the G&W-financed Alcos from GE Hornell.

Charles


Dick Cooper Time Book - Rio Grande

 

10/11/61 Chama hostler, hostler rate, marked on Chama 8:00 AM, marked off Chama 8:20 PM, on duty 12:20, paid $40.98 for 181 miles, Cooper hostler, with H.D. Gibbs


Re: A bit of the NJ

 

Thanks for the great explanation Gordon.

I hope all is well with you and yours.

Ed Cox

On Sunday, May 12, 2024 at 08:33:52 PM EDT, Gordon Davids via groups.io <g.davids@...> wrote:


The two NJ engines, 4050 and 4051, were built by Montreal Locomotive Works, an Alco subsidiary. They were allowed by the US to operated into the US only on assignments that worked into Canada, otherwise the D&H would have to pay US import duty on them. The same rule applied in Canada regarding US power.

Heavy repairs on the two NJ units were done by CP at Angus Shops in Montreal. If the D&H replaced any parts on them the NJ would have to pay import duty on the value of the parts.

I remember one cold night at Rouses Point when Train 35 arrived with a single unit that had to be taken out of service and replaced with the RO yard engine which had a steam generator for train heat. It was standard practice to assign a passenger unit to RO Yard to protect that service.

Then the only unit available at RO was the NJ 4051. The yard crew had to finish building RW-6, and WR-1 had not arrived with its power. So certain arrangements were made with the US Customs officers at RO to look the other way for a few hours while NJ 4051 finished building the train for RW-6. International commerce was handled with little interruption.

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Ed Cox


Re: A bit of the NJ

 

The two NJ engines, 4050 and 4051, were built by Montreal Locomotive Works, an Alco subsidiary. They were allowed by the US to operated into the US only on assignments that worked into Canada, otherwise the D&H would have to pay US import duty on them. The same rule applied in Canada regarding US power.

Heavy repairs on the two NJ units were done by CP at Angus Shops in Montreal. If the D&H replaced any parts on them the NJ would have to pay import duty on the value of the parts.

I remember one cold night at Rouses Point when Train 35 arrived with a single unit that had to be taken out of service and replaced with the RO yard engine which had a steam generator for train heat. It was standard practice to assign a passenger unit to RO Yard to protect that service.

Then the only unit available at RO was the NJ 4051. The yard crew had to finish building RW-6, and WR-1 had not arrived with its power. So certain arrangements were made with the US Customs officers at RO to look the other way for a few hours while NJ 4051 finished building the train for RW-6. International commerce was handled with little interruption.


Re: A bit of the NJ

 

That's very cool. Thank you.

Charles


Dick Cooper Time Book - 1960s

 

3/15-18/61 Layed in.

3/19/61 Plattsburg yard, power 4040, yard-local freight rate, marked on Plattsburg 7:00 AM, marked off Plattsburg 3:25 PM, on duty 8:25, paid $24.36 for 108 miles, F.C. Adams engineer, Cooper fireman,


Re: A bit of the NJ

 

Charles,

I would think Rouses Point. The NJ power wasn't suppose to be used in the US due to customs from what I have read. The EL power could have easily come north on WR1. It would have headed south on RW2. I suspect the EL unit is SD45 3615.?

According to Dad's time book, he marked off at Rouses Point at 8:45 PM on July 20, 1971 with the 753-EL SD45s 3615-3616.

He marked on the following morning on RW2 at 7:30 AM with EL 3660-3615-3616. The 3660 was a SDP45.

This could be the day in the picture.

Ed

On Saturday, May 11, 2024 at 11:08:34 AM EDT, Charles Woolever via groups.io <yahoo@...> wrote:


NJ #4050 RS-2 in July 1971. EL power in back. No location. Rouses Point or Mechanicville?

Charles

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Ed Cox


A bit of the NJ

 

NJ #4050 RS-2 in July 1971. EL power in back. No location. Rouses Point or Mechanicville?

Charles