|
Speaking about inflation, I had two different friends tell me that
steel has tripled in cost. One is a welder and the other is a HVAC
guy uses sheets for plenums and ductwork.
That's going to ripple through many industries.
Ralph
Glen Linscheid wrote:
Thanks Dennis,
?When the plans for the thread dial parts were posted to
the group I decided it wouln't be wise to make them, anyone
who wants one can simply download the prints and make their
own. The only advantage I would have is in making 30-40 of
them in the CNC's the machining time per set would be low, but
I'd still have to make money as in any business, and now with
the plans the guys can save that money by making their own
from scrap.
?About five years ago I made up a bunch of gun parts and I
think we only sold one, eventually I'll probably sell them to
a gun parts retailer for penneys per dollar, about what it
cost to have them all blued.
?
Gotta start being careful with the inflation coming on as
it has been. A $5 insert costs $11 or $12 now.
Dennis, ?many thanks!
My address is:?
Glenn Brooks
1931 East Bethany Home Road
Phoenix, Az 85016
We are hear for the winter... Also please let me know
how much they are and I can include cash or a check.
Thanks much,
Glenn?
Hi
Glen
?
Send
me your address and I will stick one in the mail
to you.? Dennis
?
?
Hi Dennis, ?I’d like one of
your threaded dial gears,
if they are available.
?
Hey
Glen I checked on the thread dial gears
and I have 13 of
them plus the arbor I used when we cut
the teeth on the CNC. Dennis
?
?
" The more I find that
new problems and how to solve
them have already been solved and not new
problems at all."
In the bible (1 Kings 7) Solomon had
gifted engineers in his employ, (but
chiefly Hiram) around 2800 years ago who
cast a giant bronze pool (they called
it a "Sea") was 15 feet across and 5 feet
tall, not including the 12
cast bronze bulls beneath it nor the base
height. The bowls wall thickness was
approximately 4 to 5".
?It would be a remarkable casting to see
done today, probably an open pit
casting, but imagine the pressure on the
head engineer back then!
?Yes, they had some very smart people way
back doing remarkable feats of
engineering. Our historical understanding
of the origins of machine tools is
likely way off because of a lack of
proofs.
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I let the bull/cone gear sit in wd-40(it what I had, and I know it for water displacement; I have some Kroil on the way) the shot pin was removed(it came out completely) the bull will not move independently from the cone gear, how do I decouple the two or should I retry with the Kroil? Thanks?
|
Ryan the bull gear is a press fit to the spindle secured with a woodruff
key.? The cone pulley is suppose to rotate feely on the spindle.? So again we
have a cone pulley that has seized onto the spindle.? Could be corrosion or
just dried out oil from sitting so long. My best guess is Kroil will geterdonJ?
Dennis
?
?
?
I let the bull/cone gear sit in wd-40(it what I had, and I
know it for water displacement; I have some Kroil on the way) the shot pin was
removed(it came out completely) the bull will not move independently from the
cone gear, how do I decouple the two or should I retry with the Kroil?
Thanks?
|
I have a 1925 9” south bend lathe that had the same bullcone problem. It had been sitting in storage, since around 1930 and was completely frozen- as you describe. ?Couple of treatments with Kroll oil washed out all the old dried oil and sawdust. ?You are likely dealing with dried oil surrounding the bull pin - not mechanical damage. ? Hence WD 40 had little effect, as it doesn’t have the penetrating ability of other solvents. ?You can also try Spray n Wash. ?it is a common household cleaner in a green plastic squeeze bottle. ?It is ?the best dried machine oil solvent I’ve ever used. ?Flush liberally and let the fluid run off the machine until it comes out clear and bright. Then finish off with a bit of diesel, to kill the cleaner, and douse with way oil. ?It’ll be like new..
Afterwards, You can also squirt the spray n wash on your dirty shop clothes before you through them in the washing machine. ?It will clean up those oil spots on your t shirts just as good as your lathe!
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On Jan 3, 2022, at 10:17 AM, Ryan Waldt < rwaldt@...> wrote: I let the bull/cone gear sit in wd-40(it what I had, and I know it for water displacement; I have some Kroil on the way) the shot pin was removed(it came out completely) the bull will not move independently from the cone gear, how do I decouple the two or should I retry with the Kroil? Thanks?
|
One of you guys was asking about steady rest for a Dalton 9
inch.? I just checked and I do have one.? If you look at the second picture you
can see a small tab is busted off were you adjust the lower left finger.? It
works OK and also could be repaired by brazing on a small piece.??? Let me know
?if the party that was looking for one wants it.? The design of this steady
rest is quite a bit different than the ones for the smaller lathes.?? Dennis
?
?
I have a 1925 9” south bend lathe that had the same bullcone
problem. It had been sitting in storage, since around 1930 and was completely
frozen- as you describe. ?Couple of treatments with Kroll oil washed out
all the old dried oil and sawdust. ?You are likely dealing with dried oil
surrounding the bull pin - not mechanical damage. ? Hence WD 40 had little
effect, as it doesn’t have the penetrating ability of other solvents. ?You
can also try Spray n Wash. ?it is a common household cleaner in a green
plastic squeeze bottle. ?It is ?the best dried machine oil solvent
I’ve ever used. ?Flush liberally and let the fluid run off the machine
until it comes out clear and bright. Then finish off with a bit of diesel, to
kill the cleaner, and douse with way oil. ?It’ll be like new..
Afterwards, You can also squirt the spray n wash on your
dirty shop clothes before you through them in the washing machine. ?It
will clean up those oil spots on your t shirts just as good as your lathe!
Glenn?
On Jan 3, 2022, at 10:17 AM, Ryan Waldt <rwaldt@...>
wrote:
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I let the bull/cone gear sit in wd-40(it what I had, and I
know it for water displacement; I have some Kroil on the way) the shot pin was
removed(it came out completely) the bull will not move independently from the
cone gear, how do I decouple the two or should I retry with the Kroil?
Thanks?
|
Also someone was asking about a Dalton 9 apron.? Took two
pictures of what is left.? Not much and as you can see the rack pinion gear is
badly worn and also the half nuts were just plain worn out totally.? Couple of
gears and the casting that’s about all that is any good.? Dennis
?
?
?When the plans for the thread dial parts were posted
to the group I decided it wouln't be wise to make them, anyone who wants one
can simply download the prints and make their own. The only advantage I would
have is in making 30-40 of them in the CNC's the machining time per set would
be low, but I'd still have to make money as in any business, and now with the
plans the guys can save that money by making their own from scrap.
?About five years ago I made up a bunch of gun parts
and I think we only sold one, eventually I'll probably sell them to a gun parts
retailer for penneys per dollar, about what it cost to have them all blued. ?
Gotta start being careful with the inflation coming on as it
has been. A $5 insert costs $11 or $12 now.
?
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On Sun, Jan 2, 2022 at 6:23 PM glenn brooks < brooks.glenn@...> wrote:
Dennis, ?many thanks!
1931 East Bethany Home Road
We are hear for the winter... Also please let me know how
much they are and I can include cash or a check.
Glenn?
Hi
Glen
?
Send
me your address and I will stick one in the mail to you.? Dennis
?
?
Hi
Dennis, ?I’d like one of your threaded dial gears, if they are available.
?
Hey
Glen I checked on the thread dial gears and I have 13 of them plus the arbor I
used when we cut the teeth on the CNC. Dennis
?
?
"
The more I find that new problems and how to solve them have already been
solved and not new problems at all."
In the bible (1 Kings 7) Solomon had gifted engineers in his employ, (but
chiefly Hiram) around 2800 years ago who cast a giant bronze pool (they called
it a "Sea") was 15 feet across and 5 feet tall, not including the 12
cast bronze bulls beneath it nor the base height. The bowls wall thickness was
approximately 4 to 5".
?It would be a remarkable casting to see done today, probably an open pit
casting, but imagine the pressure on the head engineer back then!
?Yes, they had some very smart people way back doing remarkable feats of
engineering. Our historical understanding of the origins of machine tools is
likely way off because of a lack of proofs.
|
Hi Dennis,
I don't think I received the information on how to order one of those gears for the threading dial. Could you send me that. Thanks. Sorry if I just missed it in earlier correspondence.?
John
Hey Glen I checked on the thread dial gears and I have 13 of
them plus the arbor I used when we cut the teeth on the CNC. Dennis
?
?
" The more I find that new problems and how to solve
them have already been solved and not new problems at all."
In the bible (1 Kings 7) Solomon had gifted engineers in his employ, (but
chiefly Hiram) around 2800 years ago who cast a giant bronze pool (they called
it a "Sea") was 15 feet across and 5 feet tall, not including the 12
cast bronze bulls beneath it nor the base height. The bowls wall thickness was
approximately 4 to 5".
?It would be a remarkable casting to see done today, probably an open pit
casting, but imagine the pressure on the head engineer back then!
?Yes, they had some very smart people way back doing remarkable feats of
engineering. Our historical understanding of the origins of machine tools is likely
way off because of a lack of proofs.
|
Morning John? Send me your address and will get one in the mail
to you next week.? Dennis
?
?
Hi Dennis,
I don't think I received the information on how to order one
of those gears for the threading dial. Could you send me that. Thanks. Sorry if
I just missed it in earlier correspondence.?
?
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On Sun, Jan 2, 2022, 6:59 PM Dennis Turk < dennis.turk2@...>
wrote:
Hey
Glen I checked on the thread dial gears and I have 13 of them plus the arbor I
used when we cut the teeth on the CNC. Dennis
?
?
"
The more I find that new problems and how to solve them have already been
solved and not new problems at all."
In the bible (1 Kings 7) Solomon had gifted engineers in his employ, (but
chiefly Hiram) around 2800 years ago who cast a giant bronze pool (they called
it a "Sea") was 15 feet across and 5 feet tall, not including the 12
cast bronze bulls beneath it nor the base height. The bowls wall thickness was
approximately 4 to 5".
?It would be a remarkable casting to see done today, probably an open pit
casting, but imagine the pressure on the head engineer back then!
?Yes, they had some very smart people way back doing remarkable feats of
engineering. Our historical understanding of the origins of machine tools is
likely way off because of a lack of proofs.
|
Hi Dennis,
My address is 510 N 300 E, Valparaiso, IN 46383.
It sounds like John R. has the complete unit. Perhaps I will be able to get that.?
John M.
PS. Is there an index to all the correspondence that is carried on here?
Morning John? Send me your address and will get one in the mail
to you next week.? Dennis
?
?
Hi Dennis,
I don't think I received the information on how to order one
of those gears for the threading dial. Could you send me that. Thanks. Sorry if
I just missed it in earlier correspondence.?
?
Hey
Glen I checked on the thread dial gears and I have 13 of them plus the arbor I
used when we cut the teeth on the CNC. Dennis
?
?
"
The more I find that new problems and how to solve them have already been
solved and not new problems at all."
In the bible (1 Kings 7) Solomon had gifted engineers in his employ, (but
chiefly Hiram) around 2800 years ago who cast a giant bronze pool (they called
it a "Sea") was 15 feet across and 5 feet tall, not including the 12
cast bronze bulls beneath it nor the base height. The bowls wall thickness was
approximately 4 to 5".
?It would be a remarkable casting to see done today, probably an open pit
casting, but imagine the pressure on the head engineer back then!
?Yes, they had some very smart people way back doing remarkable feats of
engineering. Our historical understanding of the origins of machine tools is
likely way off because of a lack of proofs.
|
John Rosberg got back to me and I will be getting his threading dial. That will be easier than cloning one from the gear. Thank you Dennis.
John Molburg?
Morning John? Send me your address and will get one in the mail
to you next week.? Dennis
?
?
Hi Dennis,
I don't think I received the information on how to order one
of those gears for the threading dial. Could you send me that. Thanks. Sorry if
I just missed it in earlier correspondence.?
?
Hey
Glen I checked on the thread dial gears and I have 13 of them plus the arbor I
used when we cut the teeth on the CNC. Dennis
?
?
"
The more I find that new problems and how to solve them have already been
solved and not new problems at all."
In the bible (1 Kings 7) Solomon had gifted engineers in his employ, (but
chiefly Hiram) around 2800 years ago who cast a giant bronze pool (they called
it a "Sea") was 15 feet across and 5 feet tall, not including the 12
cast bronze bulls beneath it nor the base height. The bowls wall thickness was
approximately 4 to 5".
?It would be a remarkable casting to see done today, probably an open pit
casting, but imagine the pressure on the head engineer back then!
?Yes, they had some very smart people way back doing remarkable feats of
engineering. Our historical understanding of the origins of machine tools is
likely way off because of a lack of proofs.
|
Hello Dennis:
I saw the apron pictures and the part I need is not there.
I will take the steady rest. I can pay using paypal if that works
for you.
Thanks,
Joe
On 1/8/22 8:46 PM, Dennis Turk wrote:
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One
of you guys was asking about steady rest for a Dalton 9
inch.? I just checked and I do have one.? If you look at the
second picture you
can see a small tab is busted off were you adjust the lower
left finger.? It
works OK and also could be repaired by brazing on a small
piece.??? Let me know
?if the party that was looking for one wants it.? The design
of this steady
rest is quite a bit different than the ones for the smaller
lathes.?? Dennis
?
?
I have a 1925 9” south bend lathe that had
the same bullcone
problem. It had been sitting in storage, since around 1930 and
was completely
frozen- as you describe. ?Couple of treatments with Kroll oil
washed out
all the old dried oil and sawdust. ?You are likely dealing
with dried oil
surrounding the bull pin - not mechanical damage. ? Hence WD
40 had little
effect, as it doesn’t have the penetrating ability of other
solvents. ?You
can also try Spray n Wash. ?it is a common household cleaner
in a green
plastic squeeze bottle. ?It is ?the best dried machine oil
solvent
I’ve ever used. ?Flush liberally and let the fluid run off the
machine
until it comes out clear and bright. Then finish off with a
bit of diesel, to
kill the cleaner, and douse with way oil. ?It’ll be like new..
Afterwards, You can also squirt the spray
n wash on your
dirty shop clothes before you through them in the washing
machine. ?It
will clean up those oil spots on your t shirts just as good
as your lathe!
Glenn?
On Jan 3, 2022, at 10:17 AM, Ryan Waldt <rwaldt@...>
wrote:
I let the bull/cone gear sit in
wd-40(it what I had, and I
know it for water displacement; I have some Kroil on the
way) the shot pin was
removed(it came out completely) the bull will not move
independently from the
cone gear, how do I decouple the two or should I retry
with the Kroil?
Thanks?
|
I have tried the kroil soak no and no luck, I did spray and wash degreaser no luck, it has been soaking in CLR still no luck, next I am going to try electrolysis any other ideas,? also what is the bearing surface on the cone gear, is it Babbitt , oilite, or something else? What is your all thoughts thanks
Dennis my address is?
Ryan Waldt?
5432 fallriver row ct Columbia md 21044
I can't remember if I sent it to you?
|
tried heat? a Map gas bath then a sharp (brass) hammer blow?
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On Jan 9, 2022, at 6:03 PM, Ryan Waldt < rwaldt@...> wrote:
I have tried the kroil soak no and no luck, I did spray and wash degreaser no luck, it has been soaking in CLR still no luck, next I am going to try electrolysis any other ideas,? also what is the bearing surface on the cone gear, is it Babbitt , oilite, or something else? What is your all thoughts thanks
Dennis my address is?
Ryan Waldt?
5432 fallriver row ct Columbia md 21044
I can't remember if I sent it to you?
|
Hi Joe
?
OK how does $75 and shipping sound.? Can go in a medium flat
rate box for $15.? Dennis
?
?
Hello Dennis:
I saw the apron pictures and the part I need is not there.
I will take the steady rest. I can pay using paypal if that works for you.
Thanks,
Joe
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Show quoted text
On 1/8/22 8:46 PM, Dennis Turk wrote:
One of you guys was asking about steady rest for a Dalton 9
inch.? I just checked and I do have one.? If you look at the second
picture you can see a small tab is busted off were you adjust the lower left
finger.? It works OK and also could be repaired by brazing on a small
piece.??? Let me know ?if the party that was looking for
one wants it.? The design of this steady rest is quite a bit different
than the ones for the smaller lathes.?? Dennis
?
?
I have a 1925 9” south bend lathe that had the same bullcone
problem. It had been sitting in storage, since around 1930 and was completely
frozen- as you describe. ?Couple of treatments with Kroll oil washed out
all the old dried oil and sawdust. ?You are likely dealing with dried oil
surrounding the bull pin - not mechanical damage. ? Hence WD 40 had little
effect, as it doesn’t have the penetrating ability of other solvents. ?You
can also try Spray n Wash. ?it is a common household cleaner in a green
plastic squeeze bottle. ?It is ?the best dried machine oil solvent
I’ve ever used. ?Flush liberally and let the fluid run off the machine
until it comes out clear and bright. Then finish off with a bit of diesel, to
kill the cleaner, and douse with way oil. ?It’ll be like new..
Afterwards, You can also squirt the spray n wash on your
dirty shop clothes before you through them in the washing machine. ?It
will clean up those oil spots on your t shirts just as good as your lathe!
Glenn?
On Jan 3, 2022, at 10:17 AM, Ryan Waldt <rwaldt@...>
wrote:
I let the bull/cone gear sit in wd-40(it what I had, and I
know it for water displacement; I have some Kroil on the way) the shot pin was
removed(it came out completely) the bull will not move independently from the
cone gear, how do I decouple the two or should I retry with the Kroil?
Thanks?
|
Ryan the spindle is alloy steel and the cone pulley is cast
iron.? So if there is corrosion between the two the cast iron has swelled up
and you may have to press it off in a hydraulic press.?? Dennis
?
?
I have tried the kroil soak no and no luck, I did spray and
wash degreaser no luck, it has been soaking in CLR still no luck, next I am
going to try electrolysis any other ideas,? also what is the bearing
surface on the cone gear, is it Babbitt , oilite, or something else? What is
your all thoughts thanks
Dennis my address is?
Ryan Waldt?
5432 fallriver row ct Columbia md 21044
I can't remember if I sent it to you?
|
Stupid idea here but there might be a difference in coefficient of expansion between the two.? MAPP gas on one with dry ice on the other?? ?
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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Dennis Turk
Sent: Sunday, January 9, 2022 8:38 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [DaltonLathes] Head stock spindle questions? Ryan the spindle is alloy steel and the cone pulley is cast iron.? So if there is corrosion between the two the cast iron has swelled up and you may have to press it off in a hydraulic press.?? Dennis ? ? I have tried the kroil soak no and no luck, I did spray and wash degreaser no luck, it has been soaking in CLR still no luck, next I am going to try electrolysis any other ideas,? also what is the bearing surface on the cone gear, is it Babbitt , oilite, or something else? What is your all thoughts thanks
Dennis my address is?
Ryan Waldt?
5432 fallriver row ct Columbia md 21044
I can't remember if I sent it to you?
|
It is finally free,it took a 10T gear puller to get the job done.
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I think that's the prettiest gear puller I've ever seen.
Glad you got it apart.? Any damage to the mating surfaces?
|
Dennis:
That would be fine. Are you a paypal man or a check man?
I'm at 9040 Myers Rd
Centerburg, OH 43011
Thanks,
Joe
On 1/9/22 9:35 PM, Dennis Turk wrote:
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Hi
Joe
?
OK
how does $75 and shipping sound.? Can go in a medium flat
rate box for $15.? Dennis
?
?
Hello Dennis:
I saw the apron pictures and the part I need is not there.
I will take the steady rest. I can pay using paypal if that
works for you.
Thanks,
Joe
On 1/8/22 8:46 PM, Dennis Turk wrote:
One
of you guys was asking about steady rest for a Dalton 9
inch.? I just checked and I do have one.? If you look at
the second
picture you can see a small tab is busted off were you
adjust the lower left
finger.? It works OK and also could be repaired by brazing
on a small
piece.??? Let me know ?if the party that was looking for
one wants it.? The design of this steady rest is quite a
bit different
than the ones for the smaller lathes.?? Dennis
?
?
I have a 1925 9” south bend lathe that
had the same bullcone
problem. It had been sitting in storage, since around 1930
and was completely
frozen- as you describe. ?Couple of treatments with Kroll
oil washed out
all the old dried oil and sawdust. ?You are likely dealing
with dried oil
surrounding the bull pin - not mechanical damage. ? Hence WD
40 had little
effect, as it doesn’t have the penetrating ability of other
solvents. ?You
can also try Spray n Wash. ?it is a common household cleaner
in a green
plastic squeeze bottle. ?It is ?the best dried machine oil
solvent
I’ve ever used. ?Flush liberally and let the fluid run off
the machine
until it comes out clear and bright. Then finish off with a
bit of diesel, to
kill the cleaner, and douse with way oil. ?It’ll be like
new..
Afterwards, You can also squirt the
spray n wash on your
dirty shop clothes before you through them in the washing
machine. ?It
will clean up those oil spots on your t shirts just as
good as your lathe!
Glenn?
On Jan 3, 2022, at 10:17 AM, Ryan Waldt <rwaldt@...>
wrote:
I let the bull/cone gear sit in
wd-40(it what I had, and I
know it for water displacement; I have some Kroil on
the way) the shot pin was
removed(it came out completely) the bull will not move
independently from the
cone gear, how do I decouple the two or should I retry
with the Kroil?
Thanks?
|
No pay pal Joe but your check will do just fine.? Send it to
?
Dennis Turk
PO Box 683
McMinnville, Oregon. 97128.
?
And Glenn your gear went out today and also the spindle nose
protector shipped to WV for the guy that wanted it.? Can’t remember your name,
sorry.
?
?
Dennis:
That would be fine. Are you a paypal man or a check man?
I'm at 9040 Myers Rd
Centerburg, OH 43011
Thanks,
Joe
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On 1/9/22 9:35 PM, Dennis Turk wrote:
Hi Joe
?
OK how does $75 and shipping sound.? Can go in a medium
flat rate box for $15.? Dennis
?
?
Hello Dennis:
I saw the apron pictures and the part I need is not there.
I will take the steady rest. I can pay using paypal if that works for you.
Thanks,
Joe
On 1/8/22 8:46 PM, Dennis Turk wrote:
One of you guys was asking about steady rest for a Dalton 9
inch.? I just checked and I do have one.? If you look at the second
picture you can see a small tab is busted off were you adjust the lower left
finger.? It works OK and also could be repaired by brazing on a small
piece.??? Let me know ?if the party that was looking for
one wants it.? The design of this steady rest is quite a bit different
than the ones for the smaller lathes.?? Dennis
?
?
I have a 1925 9” south bend lathe that had the same bullcone
problem. It had been sitting in storage, since around 1930 and was completely
frozen- as you describe. ?Couple of treatments with Kroll oil washed out
all the old dried oil and sawdust. ?You are likely dealing with dried oil
surrounding the bull pin - not mechanical damage. ? Hence WD 40 had little
effect, as it doesn’t have the penetrating ability of other solvents. ?You
can also try Spray n Wash. ?it is a common household cleaner in a green
plastic squeeze bottle. ?It is ?the best dried machine oil solvent
I’ve ever used. ?Flush liberally and let the fluid run off the machine
until it comes out clear and bright. Then finish off with a bit of diesel, to
kill the cleaner, and douse with way oil. ?It’ll be like new..
Afterwards, You can also squirt the spray n wash on your
dirty shop clothes before you through them in the washing machine. ?It
will clean up those oil spots on your t shirts just as good as your lathe!
Glenn?
On Jan 3, 2022, at 10:17 AM, Ryan Waldt <rwaldt@...>
wrote:
I let the bull/cone gear sit in wd-40(it what I had, and I
know it for water displacement; I have some Kroil on the way) the shot pin was
removed(it came out completely) the bull will not move independently from the
cone gear, how do I decouple the two or should I retry with the Kroil? Thanks?
|
Dennis Turk
glenn brooks
chrisser