Re: Lot 2 Serial Number 411
Note to Dennis?
The extension on the back of the cross slide is modern. Had off today to look.
The screw cutting dial has 24 teeth. ( I need to mark the top )?
Can I simply use a scribe to mark the cutting dial??
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Re: Dalton Combination Machine Start Up
That machine has more floor space than my entire shed. Loverly.?
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Re: Backing plate availability
For any of you guys that are up for it here is a drawing we made for a Dalton chuck back plate.
Dennis
On Thursday, November 19, 2020, 05:25:59 PM PST, glenn brooks <brooks.glenn@...> wrote:
Hi Dennis,
Wondering if you might have a spare 5¡± backing plate for a buck chuck available??
My old 5¡± chuck is pretty much past end of life - worn jaws etc.? so think8ng about buying a new Buck, if I can find a compatible backing plate.
Thanks!
Glenn Brooks,
up in Woodinville.
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Re: Dalton Combination Machine Start Up
There would have been two small diameter free running rollers were the step pulley is now.? These two rollers just changed the direction of the belt that was coming up from the drive that was on the floor behind the lathe.? Very complicated drive.? The Lot 1 I seen 20 years ago had a old Harley motor cycle gear box rigged up with a motor to run the original belt.
On Friday, November 20, 2020, 01:31:43 PM PST, Joan Kelly <nox2743@...> wrote:
No it's missing the floor drive, I've only seen pictures of that. It has the upper drive stuff so I'm going to mount a motor and V-belt to drive it. 
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Re: Dalton Combination Machine Start Up
No it's missing the floor drive, I've only seen pictures of that. It has the upper drive stuff so I'm going to mount a motor and V-belt to drive it. 
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Re: Dalton Combination Machine Start Up
I drool!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ?I notice no one answered the question. L
On Friday, November 20, 2020, 4:12:30 PM EST, glenn brooks <brooks.glenn@...> wrote:
Amazing, I never thought I would even see a picture of one of these.
On Nov 20, 2020, at 12:31 PM, Dennis Turk < dennis.turk2@...> wrote:
What a restoration project.? I could have handled it 15 years ago but at 80 not doing anything like this any longer.? Would have loved to have restored one like this one.
Dennis
Yeah that's cool! I bet they were used on ships a lot like a Dainichi.
That's one cool Lot 1 old combination machine.? Also has to be one of the most complete I have seen.? Do you have the original drive that sat on the floor behind the lathe?.? The only other one I see was many years ago and it had a 10 foot bed.? Huge machine.
Dennis
On Friday, November 20, 2020, 08:02:52 AM PST, Joan Kelly < nox2743@...> wrote:
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Re: Dalton Combination Machine Start Up
Amazing, I never thought I would even see a picture of one of these.
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On Nov 20, 2020, at 12:31 PM, Dennis Turk < dennis.turk2@...> wrote:
What a restoration project.? I could have handled it 15 years ago but at 80 not doing anything like this any longer.? Would have loved to have restored one like this one.
Dennis
Yeah that's cool! I bet they were used on ships a lot like a Dainichi.
That's one cool Lot 1 old combination machine.? Also has to be one of the most complete I have seen.? Do you have the original drive that sat on the floor behind the lathe?.? The only other one I see was many years ago and it had a 10 foot bed.? Huge machine.
Dennis
On Friday, November 20, 2020, 08:02:52 AM PST, Joan Kelly < nox2743@...> wrote:
I'm finally getting back to getting my Dalton ready to start up. Looking for advice on pre-start checks and first start procedures. This machine hasn't ran for many years.<100_1132crop.jpg>
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Re: Dalton Combination Machine Start Up
What a restoration project.? I could have handled it 15 years ago but at 80 not doing anything like this any longer.? Would have loved to have restored one like this one.
Dennis
On Friday, November 20, 2020, 11:50:34 AM PST, Glen Linscheid <partsproduction@...> wrote:
Yeah that's cool! I bet they were used on ships a lot like a Dainichi.
That's one cool Lot 1 old combination machine.? Also has to be one of the most complete I have seen.? Do you have the original drive that sat on the floor behind the lathe?.? The only other one I see was many years ago and it had a 10 foot bed.? Huge machine.
Dennis
On Friday, November 20, 2020, 08:02:52 AM PST, Joan Kelly < nox2743@...> wrote:
I'm finally getting back to getting my Dalton ready to start up. Looking for advice on pre-start checks and first start procedures. This machine hasn't ran for many years. 
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Re: Dalton Combination Machine Start Up
Yeah that's cool! I bet they were used on ships a lot like a Dainichi.
That's one cool Lot 1 old combination machine.? Also has to be one of the most complete I have seen.? Do you have the original drive that sat on the floor behind the lathe?.? The only other one I see was many years ago and it had a 10 foot bed.? Huge machine.
Dennis
On Friday, November 20, 2020, 08:02:52 AM PST, Joan Kelly < nox2743@...> wrote:
I'm finally getting back to getting my Dalton ready to start up. Looking for advice on pre-start checks and first start procedures. This machine hasn't ran for many years. 
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Re: Dalton Combination Machine Start Up
I'm envious!
Herb Kephart
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Re: Dalton Combination Machine Start Up
That's one cool Lot 1 old combination machine.? Also has to be one of the most complete I have seen.? Do you have the original drive that sat on the floor behind the lathe?.? The only other one I see was many years ago and it had a 10 foot bed.? Huge machine.
Dennis
On Friday, November 20, 2020, 08:02:52 AM PST, Joan Kelly <nox2743@...> wrote:
I'm finally getting back to getting my Dalton ready to start up. Looking for advice on pre-start checks and first start procedures. This machine hasn't ran for many years. 
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Dalton Combination Machine Start Up
I'm finally getting back to getting my Dalton ready to start up. Looking for advice on pre-start checks and first start procedures. This machine hasn't ran for many years. 
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Re: Spindle Nose Adapter for Lot 4
Hey dennis. That would be really great actually.? A Dalton BAcking plate would be really helpful to me and I always appreciate your your thoughtfulness when it comes to digging up stuff from your vault!? Hope you are well and let me know when you get back to your shop. I would love to get back up? and running soon and this would be a great solution. Thank you!
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Re: Lot 2 Serial Number 411
This may not be true, since the shipping manifest shows no reference to a lot of Dalton lathes. Quite possibly another urban myth.
Dan
On Thu, Nov 19, 2020, 7:34 PM Grey Pilgrim < pilgrim23@...> wrote: correct me if I am wrong but I recall a tale that a shipment of Daltons were on the Lusitania and that others made it across the pond for use in WWI.
What would be amazing is the company accounts that tally serial numbers to customers. I noticed quite a lot of variations in finish on the machine. I used to do quite a bit of metal casting and noted the good / not great finishes on some items and also. Looking over the photo album (page 3) I found a lot 2 with the same paint job mine used have ( pedestal stand does have) but was under the impression they were all black. The serial number of it was only ten ish away from mine (check for accuracy) maybe a batch to the same European customer? I¡¯m in WW2 airfield central here so it would have been a regular trip for transport planes. Do you know specifically what parts they were used for in the war? Any samples exist??
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Re: Lot 2 Serial Number 411
correct me if I am wrong but I recall a tale that a shipment of Daltons were on the Lusitania and that others made it across the pond for use in WWI.
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What would be amazing is the company accounts that tally serial numbers to customers. I noticed quite a lot of variations in finish on the machine. I used to do quite a bit of metal casting and noted the good / not great finishes on some items and also. Looking over the photo album (page 3) I found a lot 2 with the same paint job mine used have ( pedestal stand does have) but was under the impression they were all black. The serial number of it was only ten ish away from mine (check for accuracy) maybe a batch to the same European customer? I¡¯m in WW2 airfield central here so it would have been a regular trip for transport planes. Do you know specifically what parts they were used for in the war? Any samples exist??
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Re: Lot 2 Serial Number 411
What would be amazing is the company accounts that tally serial numbers to customers. I noticed quite a lot of variations in finish on the machine. I used to do quite a bit of metal casting and noted the good / not great finishes on some items and also. Looking over the photo album (page 3) I found a lot 2 with the same paint job mine used have ( pedestal stand does have) but was under the impression they were all black. The serial number of it was only ten ish away from mine (check for accuracy) maybe a batch to the same European customer? I¡¯m in WW2 airfield central here so it would have been a regular trip for transport planes. Do you know specifically what parts they were used for in the war? Any samples exist??
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Backing plate availability
Hi Dennis,
Wondering if you might have a spare 5¡± backing plate for a buck chuck available?
My old 5¡± chuck is pretty much past end of life - worn jaws etc. so think8ng about buying a new Buck, if I can find a compatible backing plate.
Thanks!
Glenn Brooks,
up in Woodinville.
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Re: Lot 2 Serial Number 411
Marc the very first Lot 2 lathes had the hand crank handles not hand wheels.? Not sure any of the Lot 2 lathes had hand wheels but the introduction of the Lot 3 did have hand wheels on the apron for the carriage and also the tail stock.? Marc I will say the very first Lot 2 found was in Holland.? It was back in 1999 when I got my first Lot 4.? That lot 2 was badly damaged with rather unusual damage then I realized it had been through two world wars.? Some of the damage looked like it could have been from explosives.? Like Shrapnel damage.? This is the lathe that the end of the bed tail stock end has about three inches missing so I have never known what serial number it is.? The lathe had been repaired a number of times I could tell.? Also was well worn and had seen a lot of work.? You have to wonder just what did that old lathe do in Holland all them years.? It did come with a pair of floor legs though they had been repaired as they had been broken.
On Thursday, November 19, 2020, 03:49:00 PM PST, Ebay Boy <ebaybono@...> wrote:
Hi Denis,?
I do have a door and gears Thankyou I¡¯ve just not put them on for the photo. I¡¯ve yet to clear the Old paint Off the brass plate to work out what gears can go where.?
Interestingly I did get another cross slide with the lathe that fits the ways but if fitted with a tool holder would see any tooling way to high. I think the cross slide I speak of is in the first photo album I uploaded.
Yes. I have the tail stock barrel it¡¯s getting a good clean.?
Bull gear teeth are broken. I also have a damaged number 23 (I think it¡¯s a 23 from memory)?
Can¡¯t say for sure about the thread dial. The apron is tapped properly so I don¡¯t know.?
I¡¯ll have to count the teeth on dial to check. There are no markings on the top of it.
Re the extension? It¡¯s flush when the door is on. I¡¯ll have look but I¡¯m pretty sure it¡¯s one piece as I¡¯ve had everything completely to bits.?
One thing I have noticed from the group photos is that the other daltons I see have Drummond / ships wheel type handles vs the kitchen tap type handles on mine??
Sent from International Space Station.?
On 19 Nov 2020, at 19:56, Dennis Turk <dennis.turk2@...> wrote:
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One other thing I see that you do not have a gear mounting arm on the lathe.? It fits one the large diameter of the left lead screw mounting bushing.? I see you have the shifter but do? you have the gears that mount on it???
Dennis
On Thursday, November 19, 2020, 11:52:38 AM PST, Dennis Turk <dennis.turk2@...> wrote:
Great job Marc
I am curios about a couple of things.? Ok for one do you have and end door and hinge for the lathe?? Also the extension sticking out the back of the spindle I don't recognize as standard Dalton.? Also your base casting for the compound slide is a lot longer than we see on the other Lot 2 lathes we know of.? ?Knowing that the compound slide was a weak point on this model we have seen a number of shop made replacements. Do you have a barrel for the tail stock? Also the bull gear teeth are a bit odd as you have what looks like a number of short ones but they also seem to be evenly spaced.? Are they repaired teeth or have they been shortened? Also your thread dial looks like it came from another lathe as the two very early Lot 2 lathes there was no provision for attaching a thread dial on the apron casting.? In your picture it kind of looks like an Atlas thread dial.? Your lead screw is a 12 pitch and as such the gear on the thread dial needs to be an even number multiple of 12.? 24 or 48 teeth.? 48 being standard thread dial gears on all lather Daltons other than the Lot 6 and Dalton 9 that used a 10 pitch lead screw so these two lathe models used a 40 tooth gear but the housing was the same as used on the Lot 3 4 and 5 lathes. The reason I ask about the end door is that I may have an extra one.??
Dennis
On Thursday, November 19, 2020, 10:58:21 AM PST, Ebay Boy <ebaybono@...> wrote:
Before and after. Another saved from the scrap. Joy to operate now.?
Total restoration work time approx 35 (real) hours start to finish. But that also includes all the tooling, saw table, steady rest, milling attachment, 4 jaw chuck and tail stock drill chucks and other accessories etc etc.? <6572CE5B-8DC6-42E2-8DEF-489A79CEC3AA.jpeg>
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Re: Lot 2 Serial Number 411
Hi Denis,?
I do have a door and gears Thankyou I¡¯ve just not put them on for the photo. I¡¯ve yet to clear the Old paint Off the brass plate to work out what gears can go where.?
Interestingly I did get another cross slide with the lathe that fits the ways but if fitted with a tool holder would see any tooling way to high. I think the cross slide I speak of is in the first photo album I uploaded.
Yes. I have the tail stock barrel it¡¯s getting a good clean.?
Bull gear teeth are broken. I also have a damaged number 23 (I think it¡¯s a 23 from memory)?
Can¡¯t say for sure about the thread dial. The apron is tapped properly so I don¡¯t know.?
I¡¯ll have to count the teeth on dial to check. There are no markings on the top of it.
Re the extension? It¡¯s flush when the door is on. I¡¯ll have look but I¡¯m pretty sure it¡¯s one piece as I¡¯ve had everything completely to bits.?
One thing I have noticed from the group photos is that the other daltons I see have Drummond / ships wheel type handles vs the kitchen tap type handles on mine??
Sent from International Space Station.?
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On 19 Nov 2020, at 19:56, Dennis Turk <dennis.turk2@...> wrote:
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One other thing I see that you do not have a gear mounting arm on the lathe.? It fits one the large diameter of the left lead screw mounting bushing.? I see you have the shifter but do? you have the gears that mount on it???
Dennis
On Thursday, November 19, 2020, 11:52:38 AM PST, Dennis Turk <dennis.turk2@...> wrote:
Great job Marc
I am curios about a couple of things.? Ok for one do you have and end door and hinge for the lathe?? Also the extension sticking out the back of the spindle I don't recognize as standard Dalton.? Also your base casting for the compound slide is a lot longer than we see on the other Lot 2 lathes we know of.? ?Knowing that the compound slide was a weak point on this model we have seen a number of shop made replacements. Do you have a barrel for the tail stock? Also the bull gear teeth are a bit odd as you have what looks like a number of short ones but they also seem to be evenly spaced.? Are they repaired teeth or have they been shortened? Also your thread dial looks like it came from another lathe as the two very early Lot 2 lathes there was no provision for attaching a thread dial on the apron casting.? In your picture it kind of looks like an Atlas thread dial.? Your lead screw is a 12 pitch and as such the gear on the thread dial needs to be an even number multiple of 12.? 24 or 48 teeth.? 48 being standard thread dial gears on all lather Daltons other than the Lot 6 and Dalton 9 that used a 10 pitch lead screw so these two lathe models used a 40 tooth gear but the housing was the same as used on the Lot 3 4 and 5 lathes. The reason I ask about the end door is that I may have an extra one.??
Dennis
On Thursday, November 19, 2020, 10:58:21 AM PST, Ebay Boy <ebaybono@...> wrote:
Before and after. Another saved from the scrap. Joy to operate now.?
Total restoration work time approx 35 (real) hours start to finish. But that also includes all the tooling, saw table, steady rest, milling attachment, 4 jaw chuck and tail stock drill chucks and other accessories etc etc.? <6572CE5B-8DC6-42E2-8DEF-489A79CEC3AA.jpeg>
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Re: Lot 2 Serial Number 411
One other thing I see that you do not have a gear mounting arm on the lathe.? It fits one the large diameter of the left lead screw mounting bushing.? I see you have the shifter but do? you have the gears that mount on it???
Dennis
On Thursday, November 19, 2020, 11:52:38 AM PST, Dennis Turk <dennis.turk2@...> wrote:
Great job Marc
I am curios about a couple of things.? Ok for one do you have and end door and hinge for the lathe?? Also the extension sticking out the back of the spindle I don't recognize as standard Dalton.? Also your base casting for the compound slide is a lot longer than we see on the other Lot 2 lathes we know of.? ?Knowing that the compound slide was a weak point on this model we have seen a number of shop made replacements. Do you have a barrel for the tail stock? Also the bull gear teeth are a bit odd as you have what looks like a number of short ones but they also seem to be evenly spaced.? Are they repaired teeth or have they been shortened? Also your thread dial looks like it came from another lathe as the two very early Lot 2 lathes there was no provision for attaching a thread dial on the apron casting.? In your picture it kind of looks like an Atlas thread dial.? Your lead screw is a 12 pitch and as such the gear on the thread dial needs to be an even number multiple of 12.? 24 or 48 teeth.? 48 being standard thread dial gears on all lather Daltons other than the Lot 6 and Dalton 9 that used a 10 pitch lead screw so these two lathe models used a 40 tooth gear but the housing was the same as used on the Lot 3 4 and 5 lathes. The reason I ask about the end door is that I may have an extra one.??
Dennis
On Thursday, November 19, 2020, 10:58:21 AM PST, Ebay Boy <ebaybono@...> wrote:
Before and after. Another saved from the scrap. Joy to operate now.?
Total restoration work time approx 35 (real) hours start to finish. But that also includes all the tooling, saw table, steady rest, milling attachment, 4 jaw chuck and tail stock drill chucks and other accessories etc etc.?
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Dennis Turk
glenn brooks
Adrian McCullough
Dan Linscheid