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Spindle thrust bearing issue
Trying to get an old B4 up and running. The spindle had 0.011 inches
of play from left to right. I adjusted the thrust bearing to give me about 0.002 inches of play. I originally made it less than 0.0005", but then after thinking about it backed it off to 0.002". Last thing I wanted to do was make it too tight and burn the bearings. Any thoughts? |
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Re: Spindle thrust bearing issue
Hello Ron,
My name is Jim Bonner. I have a Dalton B-6. Thanks for setting up this group. I'm not sure if the B-4 uses a ball bearing or a fiber washer for a thrust bearing. (the B-6 uses a ball bearing) You could start with .002. After some turning, you could re-check the clearance and adjust accordingly. Jim --- In daltonlathes@..., "Ron Peeler" <Ronaldpeeler@...> wrote: inches of play from left to right. I adjusted the thrust bearing to give mebut then after thinking about it backed it off to 0.002". Last thing I |
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My B-6
My lathe is a Dalton B-6. It has an 8 1/4" swing and a 36 inch bed.
I got lucky with my lathe in that it came with several accessories. It came with an 8" face plate, a four inch 3 jaw chuck with reverse jaws, a six inch 3 jaw, a six inch 4 jaw, nose pieces for both 3c and 4c collets, a collet draw bar with adapter for both 3c and 4c, threading dial, a full set of change gears (except the 125t and 127t for metric), a set of Dalton wrenches, a spindle thread protector, steady rest, following rest, and the adapter and tool rests for wood turning. The B-6 has a worm gear and a clutch in the apron that is driven by a slotted shaft. There is a collar on the slotted shaft that can be set to use the auto feed stop on the carriage. With the change gears set to cut 72 TPI, the clutch will feed the carriage at .004 per revolution. I had some modifications made to the lathe that make it easier to use. Dennis Turk rebuilt the saddle and top slide. He put a new lead screw and nut in the cross slide. He also installed a .200 by .001 micrometer dial on the cross slide and a .100 by .001 micrometer dial on the compound slide. As you know, it's a real pain using the original micrometer dials. I'll try to put some pics in the album section later. Jim Bonner |
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What is going on at the Turk works.
Dennis Turk
Hi All
Just a little note now that I have a computer working again. I have a number of projects in the shop right now. I am helping Todd Young with his TL Dalton that is a real puzzle as all the Dalton cast in name and letters have been ground off the lathe and the big Dalton TL that is on the front of the bed has been covered up with a riveted on steel plate. Todds Dalton has a damaged cross slide so I am fixing him up with modifide 9 inch SB cross slide and compound. For you that do not know much about a TL they do not have a compund rather a very simple cross slide with a tee slot for the tool post. I also have Greg Fosmarks Lot 6 saddle cross slide and compound in for some repairs and upgrades. Mister Bonner you will be pleased to know that the large dial rings on Gregs lathe are factory orginals. Very nicely done I mite add. Gregs parts are in great shape and will be an easy fix. Like the one I did for Jim Bonner I am upgrading the cross slide from a 7/16 10 LH screw to a 1/2 10 LH so I could use his original nut. I did this also on Todds TL lathe as there was room for the larger screw. These screws I make her at the home shop.Both of these lathes are being setup with ball and needle thrust bearings on the cross slide and compound screw so all end play in the screws is eliminated. Makes for nice feel also. Right Jim? Mister Andy Sargent has a very nice surprise coming to him in the future but we will only tantalize him right now."-)))) John Glands B4 Dalton is back home and up and running. John seems to be really pleased with the way it turned out. Lots of work but was a fun project. John is in the proccess of restoring and setting up a very old small Pratt and Whitney horizontal mill to go with the Dalton. John will use the tools in his restoration of old antique fishing reals. I have just finished up the restoration and repair of a 1943 Heavy Ten South Bend that will go to my nephew down in Medford Oregon. I have also just finished a C model 36 inch South Bend workshop lathe that will go to some diserving indavidual that will take care of it. Any takers??????????? I am in the last steps of getting my lathe stand with flywheel and peddle assembly shipped from England. These parts go to my 1931 Drummond lathe that I have restored. Now if you guys wont to work on something really odd try and English machine for a change. Sure glad that this user group is up and running and please feel free to post questions to me here rather than at my home address. This way all will get the benifit of the chat that goes on here. I am also a memember of the SB and the English Drummond user groups and have had a lot of fun with them. Several years ago Andy and I talked about a user group but at the time we felt there were just not enough Daltons around to make it work. I stand corrected Andy but I think we are up to over seventy Daltons known of now. They just keep coming out of the wood work it seams. Hay Andy Woody emailed me wile my computer was down and he needs some belting for his Lot 6. Can you email him and give him a hand. It seams that there is still some bugs in this new computer as I can receive emails but can send them right now so this is why I am posting here. Also I was inventoring my Lot six change gears today and I find that I have a couple of extra ones so if any Lot six owner needs anything let me know. I will post a list of what I have if anyone is interested. I also have a nice selection of new West German and SB 4C collets for you Lot 6 owners. If interested let me know. John Gland is shipping me the Lot 5 lathe the he picked up for me. Before to long I should have a list of spare parts that I will have avalable from the last two Daltons the were gotten off ebay. Dave Kirk in NY had one of them and we still need to deside just what we are going to do with it. Dave as used a couple of parts but not just sure what we are going to do with the rest of them. Both of these lathes are of the later post 1923 production so have the two piece back gear guards so they are not usable on early Lot 3 or 4 lathes. I will see what we get with the lathe John is shipping me and there may be some change gears avalable from this lathe. Well this should be enough for one day so all you Dalton owners keep them lathes turing out works of art. Dennis Turk |
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Re: What is going on at the Turk works.
South Bend Model C Hey I could use another one of these but I don't
think I have the room. Ron --- In daltonlathes@..., "Dennis Turk" <dennis.turk2@...> wrote: to know that the large dial rings on Gregs lathe are factoryorginals. Very nicely done I mite add. Gregs parts are in great shape andthe home shop.Both of these lathes are being setup with ball and needlesetting up a very old small Pratt and Whitney horizontal mill to go withthe Dalton. John will use the tools in his restoration of old antiqueI talked about a user group but at the time we felt there were justhand. It seams that there is still some bugs in this new computer as Ican receive emails but can send them right now so this is why I amthat I have a couple of extra ones so if any Lot six owner needsanything let me know. I will post a list of what I have if anyone iskeep them lathes turing out works of art. |
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Re: My B-6
Jim
You wrote that "There is a collar on the slotted shaft that can be set to use the auto feed stop on the carriage." How does this work, and is it just on the B-6 or was it also available on the B-4 Ron Peeler --- In daltonlathes@..., "jimbnnr" <bogyjim@...> wrote: bed. I got lucky with my lathe in that it came with severalaccessories. It came with an 8" face plate, a four inch 3 jaw chuck with reverseand 4c collets, a collet draw bar with adapter for both 3c and 4c,127t for metric), a set of Dalton wrenches, a spindle thread protector,wood turning.a slotted shaft. There is a collar on the slotted shaft that can begears set to cut 72 TPI, the clutch will feed the carriage at .004 perit easier to use. Dennis Turk rebuilt the saddle and top slide. Heput a new lead screw and nut in the cross slide. He also installedby .001 micrometer dial on the compound slide. As you know, it's a realpain using the original micrometer dials. |
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Re: My B-6
Ron,
As far as I know, the carriage auto feed stop was only available on the B-6. If there were any later models produced, I would imagine they would have had it also. The B-4s didn't have a second shaft to drive a worm gear. Although Rob Libby's B-5 has a second shaft, I don't see the drum and collar for the auto feed stop. The way it works is that the slotted shaft that drives the worm gear is spring loaded toward the tail stock end. The spring is located in a drum at the headstock end of the shaft. The collar can be locked with a set screw anywhere along the shaft. When the carriage contacts the collar, the collar moves the shaft toward the head stock end until it disengages with it's drive gear. Naturally, when the shaft stops turning, the worm gear stops turning and the carriage stops. I was surprised how well it works. Jim |
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Lot 6 Change Gears
Dennis Turk
Hi all Lot 6 owners. I have a few extra Boston change gears that fit
your lot 6 B-6 lathe. The only difference between Dalton gears and the Boston ones is that Boston use two keyways were and Dalton only had one. Other than that they are a direct replacement. What I have are three 20 tooth gears two 46 tooth gears and one 60 tooth gear. These gears are basically new. I would like $10 for each if anyone needs any. Dennis Turk. |
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Dalton History
Dennis Turk
Hi all
We need to clarify some of your Dalton history. I am afraid that Tony Griffith has some errors in his interpretation of Dalton history. Ron Jim Bonner came up with some court documents a couple of years ago that dispute Tony's interpretation of old Hubert. These documents were dated 1933 and in them it is stated that the Dalton lathe company was located in NY from 1914 to 1925 when they went into receivership. The Dalton Mfg. Comp. had lost money every year from 1914 to 1925 and the government closed them down. Hubert paid off all the creditors out of his own pocket to the tune of $365.000. Some time in 1925 all production of lathes was moved to the South Beach plant. I really think that Hubert was using the losses of the Dalton Mfg comp. to offset profits in his other companies and the move to South Beach was in his plans. He according to these court records was a very wealthy man and a prolific inventor. This is were he made most of his money. The five companies he owned were assigned different inventions to produce. If you check out Andy's web site and look at some of the inventions he held patents on you will see what I mean. Hubert was in court to try and get some back taxes reduced over the closure of the Dalton Mfg Comp. Owe by the way he lost his court battle and had to pay up. Dalton Mfg. Comp. started building lathes we think in about 1910 first with the OT and then on to the Lot 2 and Lot 3 lathes. These lathes are different than all that followed in many ways. I have two lot 3 lathes and parts to a Lot 2 and these parts are like John Allen's Lot 2 down in Kentucky. These are really smaller lathes though they do still swing 7 inches and have a 30 inch bed. The saddle cross slide and compound are much different and smaller. The end door is about two thirds the size of a Lot 4 lathe. These early lathes show a lot of changes as we don't have two that are alike. A seam there was a lot of development work going on in the early years. The spindle and bearings are the same as is the back gear but the head stock casting is much lighter and also the cone pulley is smaller as is the counter shaft mating pulley. The tail stock seems to be the only thing that is the same. The bed and the way things mount to it are unique to the early lathes and have much smaller vee ways and the lead screw mounts are totally different. The forward reveres shifter is also different and we have three different versions of this design. The first Lot 4 came out in 1914 we think as that is the first patent dates we have. I actually have a Lot 2 spindle that I got from HDD or Jeff Burris about five years ago. He had a bunch of used Dalton parts that he sold and I got all of them. John Allan got the tail stock as he needed one. In this batch of parts was a spindle that though well used it was unique in that it has a 3C collet seat machined in the end of the spindle and the key for the collet is secured under a screw in the front bearing journal. It is the only one we have seen like it. Owe one other thing secured to the spindle with some wire was a set of brand new spindle bearings."-))))) You must remember that Hubert Dalton owned five different companies at this time though we only know the names and locations for the two. Lot OT and Lot 2 3 4 5 6 and Lot 8 as well as the TL lathe and also the combination lathe were all built at the New York plant up till 1925. It must be noted that we call the 9 ? inch lathe with a four foot bed the Lot 8 as we have not found an example of one yet. There may be one in England but the fellow has not sent pictures of it yet. We call this lathe the Lot 8 because we just don't know what it was called. This lathe shared the same bed and most all other parts with the Lot 6 lathe only had a taller tail stock and head stock as well as the longer bed. For you that have not had a chance to work with a Lot 6 lathe they are a far cry from all the smaller lathes. These really are in the same class as a SB of the time and in some ways had better features. Some of witch are larger hardened and ground spindles threading feeding stops and really more heavily built beds. They weight much more than a 9 inch SB Logan and Sheldon lathes that came later. The South Beach plant was built sometime in the early twenties and housed the Dalton tool company. Here is were all the tooling and accessories for the lathes and other products were built. This was a new plant and had casting facilities so Dalton could build every part of the lathes and there accessories. Up till the South Beach plant Dalton sub contracted all the gears and tags to a company in CT. Flather lathe used the same components on there 7 inch lathe only the address on the threading tag was different. I have a Flather 7 inch and all the change gears are exactly the same as Daltons. Even have all the same casting markings. . Dalton started building all there own change gears with the introduction of the full disc gear in the early to mid twenties. We don't know just when the Lot 5 came out but we think it was the early twenties and by 1925 had seen some changes. My Lot 5 was built in the South Beach plant according to the threading tag and has some of the later features. We have a few more lathes that were built there and they are all the very late model ones. Greg Fosmark's being the newest Dalton we have a Lot 6 with serial number 7014. The other Lot 6 lathes we have are all under 400. Greg's lathe sports a number of very nice improvements. There are a number of features on the lathes that indicate to me about when they were built. Tail stocks changed in about 1923 or 24 on the Lot 4 and Lot 5 lathes. We see the same design detail on the Later Lot 6 lathes. If you did not know Dalton Tool company failed in the stock market crash of 1929. Some of this history I have gleaned from the Electro Lux vacuum cleaner company history. This was a Swedish company that purchased the South Beach plant in 1931. It was intact with all the Dalton manufacturing equipment in place. They used much of this equipment in the startup of building vacuum cleaners here in the US. Dennis Turk |
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Virgina Dalton
Hello Fellow Gang Members,
This is one of my alter egos addresses. Let yahoo deal with yahoo spam. Does anyone have contact information to the Dalton lathe that was listed on ebay several times within the last year located in Virginia? I will be traveling I-81 in a few weeks and may be able to pick it up if any one is interested and knows the contact information, and a deal struck. R.T. :D Notorious Alabama Dalton Lathe owner :D |
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Re: Virgina Dalton
Dennis Turk
开云体育Hi RT????
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All I can tell you is that the seller was not the
owner of the lathe?and they lived in Verona VA.
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Turk
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Re: Virgina Dalton
The seller is??? bilsey47??? item # 7599225433 ? Considering what's missing, it's not worth the $250 he was asking, hence no bids. ? I'm not interested as I have a couple to restore already. ? Good Luck, Brad "R.T." wrote: Hello Fellow Gang Members,
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lot 4
Hello everyone,
I just posted a few pictures of the lot 4 I've finally finished after almost a year. The headstock, saddle, cross-slide, top-slide, and tailstock all spent some time out at the Turk Lathe Works where they were refurbished by Dennis himself. The headstock bearings got shimmed and was lined up with the tailstock,and got thrust bearings instead of those red fiber washers; a new barrel,nut and screw was machined for the tailstock; the cross slide got a new screw, dial ring and bearings; the top-slide was replaced and also got a new screw. So a big THANKS to Dennis for all the work to make the lathe operable! Also a thank you to the agent who got me a great rate on my second mortgage to pay for all the work. "- ) The bed is still being shimmed. I have it down to about .001 taper in 6 inches, and it seems to have stopped moving, but I still check it about once a week. Now that it's warming up in my basement, I'll have to see if it moves as it warms up. This is the first lathe I've owned, so I'm still figuring out how to use it. So that's all for now, it's starting to get light outside so I should be getting ready for work. Later, folks. Dave |
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Re: Virgina Dalton
Thanks!
R.T. :D --- In daltonlathes@..., Brad Thayer <bradleethayer@...> wrote: hence no bids. bearing Service. FareChase |
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Re: lot 4
Dennis Turk
Hi all you Dalton owners.
If you have looked at Dave's pictures you can see that Dave may be a newbie to the hobby but you can also see he is a real craftsman. I will admit that Dave has sent me more email questions than any one ever has. For months I could be assured there would be at least two each morning when I turned the computer on. To say Dave was obsessed with this restoration and the quality of work he was doing would be an understatement. You may won't to ask Dave how many times he has painted some of the lathe parts."-))))) Dave is a great kid and I really enjoyed helping him though he has a daughter that thinks I am some old nut out West. Not sure Susan Daves wife liked me either but she always new were he was. Ya down in the damp dungeon working on his toy lathe. I really love it when I am able to pass on some of the things I have learned over the years. Dave I know will be onto other projects now that he has gotten bitten by the restoration bug. Andy Sargent is another one though a young fellow has done some remarkable work in restorations. Check out his web site at oldarn.com and you will see what I mean. Six years ago when my fist Dalton lathe that was given to me by a friend I never know it would turn into my next hobby or would I meet so many really nice people out there on the web. Though I have been in machine tools all my life I had not heard of a Dalton before six years ago and as you can see it has turned out to be not so rare a lathe after all. I have a Wade 8A lathe built in 1929 we think and I am finding that there are just a few of them still in existence. My work in restorations is not confined to Dalton lathes. I also have the complete product line of Atlas lathes as well as there horizontal mill and there shaper. I also have many of the small South Bend lathes. With the completion of two SB's that are in the shop right now they will make just an even 12 SB lathes that I have restored for myself and other people. I own five restored ones and all the rest I did for friends. This hobby has turned into a lot of work and I still have a lot of work to do before I am finished with all my projects. Some of witch are Barnes peddle lathes the Wade 8A and also a Logan to complete. I still have five more Daltons to complete the restorations on. When I am done with the Dalton I will have an example of a TL and the Lot 3 4 5 and 6 with several versions of the Lot 4. Some day I hop to find the elusive 9 1/2 inch with a four foot bed mounted on the cast cabinet. I am still looking for my first overhead electric drive as I do not have a complete one. I think there are three lathes in the group that have this drive and all three there is some differences in them. All for now Dennis Turk --- In daltonlathes@..., "Dave" <dkirk_4@...> wrote: after almost a year. The headstock, saddle, cross-slide, top-slide, andthey were refurbished by Dennis himself. The headstock bearings gotshimmed and was lined up with the tailstock,and got thrust bearingsinstead of those red fiber washers; a new barrel,nut and screw was machinedfor the tailstock; the cross slide got a new screw, dial ring andbearings; the top-slide was replaced and also got a new screw.operable! Also a thank you to the agent who got me a great rate on my secondtaper in 6 inches, and it seems to have stopped moving, but I still checkit about once a week. Now that it's warming up in my basement, I'llhave to see if it moves as it warms up.how to use it.should be getting ready for work. Later, folks. |
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Re: Virgina Dalton
Dennis Turk
Hi R T?????
(Road and track or Run tough or or or) I have emailed the lady that was selling the Dalton for here friend. I have not heard back from here as to whether the lathe was still for sale. If it is I will let you all know and maybe it can be picked up yet. The lathe is like Rob Libbys and is the second one of this type. It's a real puzzle as to just what it is. If it does swing 7 1/4 like I think it does I do have a tail stock and compound that will work on this lathe. Other than an end door and some change gears the lathe would be usable and should make a really fine working machine. Dennis Turk asking, hence no bids.yahoo spam. Virginia? it upI will be traveling I-81 in a few weeks and may be able to pick a dealif any one is interested and knows the contact information, and Yahoo!struck.bearing FareChase |
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threading
Hi all,
I was looking at the threading charts posted yesterday and of course I have a couple of questions here. First one being, since there is no dial ring on the top slide, can I assume that if I feed the tool with the cross slide that I am giong to use the Single Depth column? For instance, at 24 TPI, the SD column is .027,so I'd just use the dial ring on the cross slide and feed it in .027? Ok, the second question I just answered, I think the sloppy fit I got on a thread I cut was due to the flat being a bit too large, and probably the tool being ground by eye. Gonna have to make up a jig for grinding the tools. Now, if I were to put a dial indicator on the cross slide, on the cover for the lead screw, to read the depth of the top slide, I believe I'd still be feeding .027? And not using the .0312 figure for the top slide set at 30 deg.? Thats if you're using the dial ring on the top slide right? Which isn't there on the lot 4, at least the one that I have here. But I'd be feeding it at the 30 deg angle and I'd assume that the thread would turn out a little smoother? Or would it matter? Too much assuming? Dave |
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