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Re: bearing tolerance

 

I was hoping I wouldn't have to scrape.. Oh, well, it's off to the store to get some hi-spot blue.
I'll start off with a .01 shim and peel it back one at a time to get the clearance I need. I still have some plasti-gage from my
motorhead days.
Larry


On Sunday, September 13, 2020, 01:12:29 PM EDT, glenn brooks <brooks.glenn@...> wrote:


Larry,

I have the same problem with my Dalton. I believe it is due to wear in the bearings. Over the years they have become out of round, hence when you tighten them a bit to much, some high spots grab the spindle and start to restrict movement. ?I scrapped my bearings into better shape a few years ago and improved their action. Still not perfect, but much more effective now.

The best way I have found to to tighten the bolts in the caps is to put a bar into the spindle, and pull upwards against the bearings. Adjust the shims and tighten until you achieve the .002¡± limit of movement. ?

Also I believe equalizing the shim height on both sides of the caps is important.

Glenn?



On Sep 13, 2020, at 8:50 AM, L Leonard via <metalmechanic@...> wrote:

All I've left to do on my Lot? 4 is tend to the spindle bearings. If I tighten the caps the spindle turns with? a? lot of drag.
I was wondering if there is a recommended torque for the caps and if Bert used shims in his original designs.
I can find these by trial and error but I thought I'd ask to save a bit of time.
Be well
Larry
Re: bearing tolerance

 

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Larry,

I have the same problem with my Dalton. I believe it is due to wear in the bearings. Over the years they have become out of round, hence when you tighten them a bit to much, some high spots grab the spindle and start to restrict movement. ?I scrapped my bearings into better shape a few years ago and improved their action. Still not perfect, but much more effective now.

The best way I have found to to tighten the bolts in the caps is to put a bar into the spindle, and pull upwards against the bearings. Adjust the shims and tighten until you achieve the .002¡± limit of movement. ?

Also I believe equalizing the shim height on both sides of the caps is important.

Glenn?



On Sep 13, 2020, at 8:50 AM, L Leonard via <metalmechanic@...> wrote:

All I've left to do on my Lot? 4 is tend to the spindle bearings. If I tighten the caps the spindle turns with? a? lot of drag.
I was wondering if there is a recommended torque for the caps and if Bert used shims in his original designs.
I can find these by trial and error but I thought I'd ask to save a bit of time.
Be well
Larry
bearing tolerance

 

All I've left to do on my Lot? 4 is tend to the spindle bearings. If I tighten the caps the spindle turns with? a? lot of drag.
I was wondering if there is a recommended torque for the caps and if Bert used shims in his original designs.
I can find these by trial and error but I thought I'd ask to save a bit of time.
Be well
Larry
Re: Step pulley mount

 

Thanks, Dennis
I thought that might be the case.? The back gear brgs are very tight and lack the set screws (one more thing to make) tho the shaft moves as it should. I joke about hammer mechanics, didn't want to become one.
It seems the closer I get to finishing the more complicated things get.
Murphy is alive and well, living in Massachusetts.
Thanks
Larry

On Thursday, September 3, 2020, 7:59:31 PM , Dennis Turk <dennis.turk2@...> wrote:


Ok Larry one your Dalton there suppose to be two square head screws that are on the under side of the head stock casting that supports the back gear.? The back gear shaft rotates in two split bushings.? You remove both of the square head set screws then tap the back gear shaft out from the right side tapping to the left.? You can see the shaft its about 3/8 or a bit larger protruding from the right side bushing.? When you tap the shaft out the left side bushing shaft and handle will slide out of the head stock casting.? As the shaft slides out it can be removed but hang onto the back gear so it does not drop. and hit the deck. The right side bushing will stay in the head stock casting.? Hope this helps.? One other thing is the split bushings have a center drilled hole were the point of the square head set screw seats.? So things have to be lined up correctly on assembly for the square head set screws to seat into the bushing countersink.? If the bushing on the right side needs to be rotated you can do so with a flat blade screw driver inserted into the slot of the bushing.? The back gear shaft has a center drilled hole in the end of the shaft so use a center punch in the shaft end to tap it out.? If? nothing is stuck the back gear shaft usually slides out easily.

Dennis

On Thursday, September 3, 2020, 02:23:45 PM PDT, L Leonard via groups.io <metalmechanic@...> wrote:


I apologize for hijacking this thread.? I seem to have misplaced my password book.
I need to swap out the existing timing belt on the lathe with a longer one.? This requires removing the back gear shaft. There is a threaded hole at 180 deg but no screw, hex or slot,? that I can see.
How is the shaft secured? My alternative is cut the existing belt and wait for the leather replacement.
Thanks for your understanding and help.

Larry

On Monday, August 31, 2020, 8:19:40 PM EDT, me myself via groups.io <probodybuilder21@...> wrote:


Ok posted three pics still learning how to use this chat?

Matt

Re: Step pulley mount

 

Ok Larry one your Dalton there suppose to be two square head screws that are on the under side of the head stock casting that supports the back gear.? The back gear shaft rotates in two split bushings.? You remove both of the square head set screws then tap the back gear shaft out from the right side tapping to the left.? You can see the shaft its about 3/8 or a bit larger protruding from the right side bushing.? When you tap the shaft out the left side bushing shaft and handle will slide out of the head stock casting.? As the shaft slides out it can be removed but hang onto the back gear so it does not drop. and hit the deck. The right side bushing will stay in the head stock casting.? Hope this helps.? One other thing is the split bushings have a center drilled hole were the point of the square head set screw seats.? So things have to be lined up correctly on assembly for the square head set screws to seat into the bushing countersink.? If the bushing on the right side needs to be rotated you can do so with a flat blade screw driver inserted into the slot of the bushing.? The back gear shaft has a center drilled hole in the end of the shaft so use a center punch in the shaft end to tap it out.? If? nothing is stuck the back gear shaft usually slides out easily.

Dennis

On Thursday, September 3, 2020, 02:23:45 PM PDT, L Leonard via groups.io <metalmechanic@...> wrote:


I apologize for hijacking this thread.? I seem to have misplaced my password book.
I need to swap out the existing timing belt on the lathe with a longer one.? This requires removing the back gear shaft. There is a threaded hole at 180 deg but no screw, hex or slot,? that I can see.
How is the shaft secured? My alternative is cut the existing belt and wait for the leather replacement.
Thanks for your understanding and help.

Larry

On Monday, August 31, 2020, 8:19:40 PM EDT, me myself via groups.io <probodybuilder21@...> wrote:


Ok posted three pics still learning how to use this chat?

Matt

Re: Step pulley mount

 

I apologize for hijacking this thread.? I seem to have misplaced my password book.
I need to swap out the existing timing belt on the lathe with a longer one.? This requires removing the back gear shaft. There is a threaded hole at 180 deg but no screw, hex or slot,? that I can see.
How is the shaft secured? My alternative is cut the existing belt and wait for the leather replacement.
Thanks for your understanding and help.

Larry

On Monday, August 31, 2020, 8:19:40 PM EDT, me myself via groups.io <probodybuilder21@...> wrote:


Ok posted three pics still learning how to use this chat?

Matt

Re: Too many lathes #DaltonLatheGroup

 

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Hi Colin I would be interested in this item I am located just outside Ridge town.

Robert Lawrence 226 376 7912

Thanks Bob

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From: Colin Campbell
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Subject: [DaltonLathes] Too many lathes #DaltonLatheGroup #DaltonLatheGroup

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Selling my Dalton located in southern Ontario, see image and reply to this post if interested.

Colin?

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Re: WEEKEND!

 

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On Sat, Aug 22, 2020, 8:42 AM Dennis Turk <dennis.turk2@...> wrote:
I hope this find you well, Can i ask you a favor?

Regards

Dennis
Too many lathes #DaltonLatheGroup

Colin Campbell
 

Selling my Dalton located in southern Ontario, see image and reply to this post if interested.

Colin?

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Re: Step pulley mount

 

Ok posted three pics still learning how to use this chat?

Matt
Re: Step pulley mount

 

On Sat, Aug 29, 2020 at 08:40 PM, Dennis Turk wrote:
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post a picture of your pulleys and let see if they are the correct ones.
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On Saturday, August 29, 2020, 07:48:57 PM PDT, me myself via groups.io <probodybuilder21@...> wrote:
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I've ran a lathe certified machinist but I havent ran a manual lathe in years so memory is rusty plus never ran one this old

?On Sat, Aug 29, 2020 at 08:40 PM, Dennis Turk wrote:
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post a picture of your pulleys and let see if they are the correct ones.
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On Saturday, August 29, 2020, 07:48:57 PM PDT, me myself via groups.io <probodybuilder21@...> wrote:
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I've ran a lathe certified machinist but I havent ran a manual lathe in years so memory is rusty plus never ran one this old

?On Sat, Aug 29, 2020 at 08:40 PM, Dennis Turk wrote:
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post a picture of your pulleys and let see if they are the correct ones.
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On Saturday, August 29, 2020, 07:48:57 PM PDT, me myself via groups.io <probodybuilder21@...> wrote:
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I've ran a lathe certified machinist but I havent ran a manual lathe in years so memory is rusty plus never ran one this old

?On Sat, Aug 29, 2020 at 08:40 PM, Dennis Turk wrote:
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post a picture of your pulleys and let see if they are the correct ones.
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On Saturday, August 29, 2020, 07:48:57 PM PDT, me myself via groups.io <probodybuilder21@...> wrote:
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I've ran a lathe certified machinist but I havent ran a manual lathe in years so memory is rusty plus never ran one this old

?On Sat, Aug 29, 2020 at 08:40 PM, Dennis Turk wrote:
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post a picture of your pulleys and let see if they are the correct ones.
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On Saturday, August 29, 2020, 07:48:57 PM PDT, me myself via groups.io <probodybuilder21@...> wrote:
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I've ran a lathe certified machinist but I havent ran a manual lathe in years so memory is rusty plus never ran one this old

?On Sat, Aug 29, 2020 at 08:40 PM, Dennis Turk wrote:
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post a picture of your pulleys and let see if they are the correct ones.
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Dennis
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On Saturday, August 29, 2020, 07:48:57 PM PDT, me myself via groups.io <probodybuilder21@...> wrote:
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I've ran a lathe certified machinist but I havent ran a manual lathe in years so memory is rusty plus never ran one this old

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Re: Step pulley mount

 

There is no groove on my counter shaft so I guess a washer was used.
Back in the days when horizontal mills were common, I would position the milling cutters using spacers of various widths.?? These are easily made without key ways.
Larry
On Sunday, August 30, 2020, 11:37:12 AM EDT, Dennis Turk <dennis.turk2@...> wrote:


The bead chain used on the spindle has no master link it has to slide onto the spindle from the end of the spindle on assembly.? Also the bead chain runs in a small radius groove cut in the spindle bearing journal.? Not sure what you mean by using a mill arbor spacer.
Dennis

On Sunday, August 30, 2020, 01:43:19 AM PDT, L Leonard via groups.io <metalmechanic@...> wrote:


out of curiosity, will a mill arbor spacer work?? They are easy to make.? Also, can a pull chain be used?? Will the master link pass over the shaft?
Larry

On Saturday, August 29, 2020, 11:40:23 PM EDT, Dennis Turk <dennis.turk2@...> wrote:


post a picture of your pulleys and let see if they are the correct ones.

Dennis

On Saturday, August 29, 2020, 07:48:57 PM PDT, me myself via groups.io <probodybuilder21@...> wrote:


I've ran a lathe certified machinist but I havent ran a manual lathe in years so memory is rusty plus never ran one this old

Re: WEEKEND!

 

This is a message that came from a hacker that hacked my email account roster.? If you get one and respond to the email address you will be ask for money for some emergency.? The Ukrainian hackers have been busy. The address given is my name but not my? email service provider.

Dennis

On Saturday, August 22, 2020, 01:55:29 PM PDT, Dennis Turk <dennis.turk2@...> wrote:


Hi Ralph? Guys I? don¡¯t own a Hotmail account so someone is using my name in an account I don¡¯t own.

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From: r80stian via groups.io
Sent: Saturday, August 22, 2020 12:32 PM
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Subject: Re: [DaltonLathes] WEEKEND!

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I had one from this address. ?? "dennis.turk2@..." I guess Dennis does not have a 2 in his address.

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Re: Step pulley mount

 

The bead chain used on the spindle has no master link it has to slide onto the spindle from the end of the spindle on assembly.? Also the bead chain runs in a small radius groove cut in the spindle bearing journal.? Not sure what you mean by using a mill arbor spacer.
Dennis

On Sunday, August 30, 2020, 01:43:19 AM PDT, L Leonard via groups.io <metalmechanic@...> wrote:


out of curiosity, will a mill arbor spacer work?? They are easy to make.? Also, can a pull chain be used?? Will the master link pass over the shaft?
Larry

On Saturday, August 29, 2020, 11:40:23 PM EDT, Dennis Turk <dennis.turk2@...> wrote:


post a picture of your pulleys and let see if they are the correct ones.

Dennis

On Saturday, August 29, 2020, 07:48:57 PM PDT, me myself via groups.io <probodybuilder21@...> wrote:


I've ran a lathe certified machinist but I havent ran a manual lathe in years so memory is rusty plus never ran one this old

Re: Step pulley mount

 

out of curiosity, will a mill arbor spacer work?? They are easy to make.? Also, can a pull chain be used?? Will the master link pass over the shaft?
Larry

On Saturday, August 29, 2020, 11:40:23 PM EDT, Dennis Turk <dennis.turk2@...> wrote:


post a picture of your pulleys and let see if they are the correct ones.

Dennis

On Saturday, August 29, 2020, 07:48:57 PM PDT, me myself via groups.io <probodybuilder21@...> wrote:


I've ran a lathe certified machinist but I havent ran a manual lathe in years so memory is rusty plus never ran one this old

Re: Step pulley mount

 

post a picture of your pulleys and let see if they are the correct ones.

Dennis

On Saturday, August 29, 2020, 07:48:57 PM PDT, me myself via groups.io <probodybuilder21@...> wrote:


I've ran a lathe certified machinist but I havent ran a manual lathe in years so memory is rusty plus never ran one this old

Re: Step pulley mount

 

I've ran a lathe certified machinist but I havent ran a manual lathe in years so memory is rusty plus never ran one this old
Re: Step pulley mount

 

?No I havent checked them I figured it was a babbet bearing I'll definently check them thanks yes I'd like to see a picture and dimensions of the wire washer I do better with visuals when it comes to remaking stuff I have a step pulley for the counter shaft that looks just like the one on the lathe is that not the original figured it was
Re: Dalton 9x3 lathe free to a good home

 

Sorry i didnt know you guys were gonna respond!!! Yes im doing the gingery machines ( little bigger dimensions on a few parts) just for the adventure and the skills/knowledge to be gained..? But i ended up getting a southbend 9a, and a cnc ready (manual for now) Taig mill with upgraded headstock bearings and 5c collet...

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On Fri, Nov 15, 2019, 3:30 PM dkirk_4 <dkirk4@...> wrote:
Hallo Brent,

? Well, you're obviously new to machining or quite desperate if you think that's "awesome lathe stuff". "-))
it is first class junk though, but it's time for it to go on to it's next lifetime.

? Now, Dennis, Brent was planning a trip all the way from California to come pick up this first class junk and you've gone and warned him off!!? I had him on the line, man!? Now they're gonna go to China and get reincarnated as a horrible little drill press or something!
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? Yeah, you really want to? have a Dalton that needs some parts, or just want to do some restoration experiments with these parts. That is to say, these really aren't first timer machines.? Good luck with your castings though, ? manual machining is a great rabbit hole to go down.?

?? Are you doing the Gingery machines?


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Re: Step pulley mount

 

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When? I said the countershaft turns 400 max that was if you had both original cone or step pulleys that you don¡¯t have. The spindle can be ran up to 1500 or a bit more providing the lubricator chains are still present in the head stock bearings.? Did you check to see if they are there?

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The rings that go in the countershaft bearings were made of wire or wire rings.? You can make some from 3/32 wire formed into a round ring and soldered at the joint.? They just need to rotate freely as the shaft rotates in the bearing blocks. The diameter of the rings needs to be as large as possible but still drop easily down into the slot of the bearing blocks and rest on the shaft but not touch the bottom of the reservoir.? Later when I get home at the end of the month I can check and see what the actual dimensions are for the rings if needed. I don¡¯t seem to have a picture of the bearing lubricator rings but here is a picture of the spindle bearing bead chain that carries lube oil up to the spindle bearing from the reservoir below. ????Dennis??????????

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Subject: Re: [DaltonLathes] Step pulley mount

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what do the lube rings look like dont think i have those so the max rpm of that shaft is 400 rpm what is the max the lathe can run im used to using carbide not hss on machining metal so this is a little new to me using a 1750 motor so i would have to really step it down to that shaft to get it slow enouph?

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On Saturday, August 22, 2020, 12:06:39 PM CDT, Dennis Turk <dennis.turk2@...> wrote:

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The bearing block can be mounted in the mounting bracket in three different positions.? Second there was always a shaft collar used to keep the shaft positioned in the two bearing blocks.? If you read my other post on this subject there is a metal ring that dropped into the slot and rides on the shaft bringing lube oil up from the reservoir below the shaft. This is a plain bearing? meaning the shaft rides right on the cast iron of the bearing block.? Given the use of he lube ring and oil these things will last for a very long time.? Also remember that the countershaft that rides in these bearings blocks never turns more than 400 rpm.

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Subject: [DaltonLathes] Step pulley mount

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Hey guys I'm trying to restore a dalton t-l I'm trying to figure out how the mount is.suppose to work for the step pulley I have included a photo of the mount it has grooves on the inside and a slot but I dont know how it holds the shaft without bearings keeping the friction down also on the tail stock it.has the.centering spindle can I remove that from the tail stock and put a drill chuck on it I can't get the center out of the shaft?

Thank you for your help

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