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Re: Greetings from a new Dalton owner.

Dennis Turk
 

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HAY TOOL SLINGER YOU GOT A NAME OR DO WE JUST CALL YOU HAY YOU?????????"-))))))
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The gears on a Dalton are 20 pitch 14 1/2 degree pitch angle and any you cant find they are available from Boston gear.? Your right as a 96 tooth is the normal slow feed gear for the lead screw.? You can fit a 100 under the cover or end door but that is about it.
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Now you need get or use your digital camera and start filling us all in on what your lathe looks like and especially the countershaft.
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The counter shaft speed should run at 250 RPM this was a standard for line shaft drives.? You can go a little faster but be careful as the old babbit bearings dont like to be rubbed on to much.
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Dennis Turk

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2007 11:31 AM
Subject: [daltonlathes] Re: Greetings from a new Dalton owner.

Well then, 1913 makes this the oldest piece I've got, apart from an
age old threading machine, and a wood lathe, that's made of 100%
wood... Neither has entered my mind as a restore, so this will stay
the senior member of my collection for some time I suspect...

Whoever had this before my dad, clearly did some odd things... The
gearing was set with gears so large the cover doesn't fit... They
must have been using the threading screw to power the carriage REALLY
slowly. I don't know anything that takes a finer thread than 144, so
probably just using to cut...

Missing?.. Well, I'm pretty sure I'm missing some of the gears. I
have a number, but I'm missing some of the tooth counts that the
thread chart lists, so I'll have to start counting... Does anyone
have the specs on what the gears are for a stock set? Worst case is I
can have whatever I need made by a guy that does water jet cutting
for me, but I'd prefer to find something a little more authentic...

Next question is what should my drive speed be? I can work it back
if someone knows what the sort of normal RPM should be at any one of
the three steps in the cone. I've got a counter shaft, and the 3
steps seem right, but it doesn't look anything like what anyone else
has, so perhaps it's from another brand lathe...

Thanks!

--- In daltonlathes@yahoogroups.com, "Dennis Turk" ...>
wrote:
>
> Welcome to the Dalton group.
>
> Your lathe was built in 1913 and was the second model Hubert
built.
> Your Lot 3 is number 5 in our search for the elusive Dalton's. I
> have thee of the five and one is nothing but a parts lathe so if
you
> need something let me know. Not to worry about restoring your
lathe
> as we can talk you through just about any thing you will have to do.
>
> Again glad to have you with us.
>
> Dennis Turk.
Re: Greetings from a new Dalton owner.

 

Take a look at the file sectionof the site. We have Boston gears listed that will fit on a B-4. You can still get these gears

Dennis, will these work on toolslinger's machine?

Ron
B-4 owner

----Original Message Follows----
From: "toolslinger1973" <toolslinger@...>
Reply-To: daltonlathes@...
To: daltonlathes@...
Subject: [daltonlathes] Re: Greetings from a new Dalton owner.
Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 19:31:45 -0000

Well then, 1913 makes this the oldest piece I've got, apart from an
age old threading machine, and a wood lathe, that's made of 100%
wood... Neither has entered my mind as a restore, so this will stay
the senior member of my collection for some time I suspect...

Whoever had this before my dad, clearly did some odd things... The
gearing was set with gears so large the cover doesn't fit... They
must have been using the threading screw to power the carriage REALLY
slowly. I don't know anything that takes a finer thread than 144, so
probably just using to cut...

Missing?.. Well, I'm pretty sure I'm missing some of the gears. I
have a number, but I'm missing some of the tooth counts that the
thread chart lists, so I'll have to start counting... Does anyone
have the specs on what the gears are for a stock set? Worst case is I
can have whatever I need made by a guy that does water jet cutting
for me, but I'd prefer to find something a little more authentic...

Next question is what should my drive speed be? I can work it back
if someone knows what the sort of normal RPM should be at any one of
the three steps in the cone. I've got a counter shaft, and the 3
steps seem right, but it doesn't look anything like what anyone else
has, so perhaps it's from another brand lathe...

Thanks!

--- In daltonlathes@..., "Dennis Turk" <dennis.turk2@...>
wrote:

Welcome to the Dalton group.

Your lathe was built in 1913 and was the second model Hubert
built.
Your Lot 3 is number 5 in our search for the elusive Dalton's. I
have thee of the five and one is nothing but a parts lathe so if
you
need something let me know. Not to worry about restoring your
lathe
as we can talk you through just about any thing you will have to do.

Again glad to have you with us.

Dennis Turk.
Re: Greetings from a new Dalton owner.

toolslinger1973
 

Well then, 1913 makes this the oldest piece I've got, apart from an
age old threading machine, and a wood lathe, that's made of 100%
wood... Neither has entered my mind as a restore, so this will stay
the senior member of my collection for some time I suspect...

Whoever had this before my dad, clearly did some odd things... The
gearing was set with gears so large the cover doesn't fit... They
must have been using the threading screw to power the carriage REALLY
slowly. I don't know anything that takes a finer thread than 144, so
probably just using to cut...

Missing?.. Well, I'm pretty sure I'm missing some of the gears. I
have a number, but I'm missing some of the tooth counts that the
thread chart lists, so I'll have to start counting... Does anyone
have the specs on what the gears are for a stock set? Worst case is I
can have whatever I need made by a guy that does water jet cutting
for me, but I'd prefer to find something a little more authentic...

Next question is what should my drive speed be? I can work it back
if someone knows what the sort of normal RPM should be at any one of
the three steps in the cone. I've got a counter shaft, and the 3
steps seem right, but it doesn't look anything like what anyone else
has, so perhaps it's from another brand lathe...

Thanks!

--- In daltonlathes@..., "Dennis Turk" <dennis.turk2@...>
wrote:

Welcome to the Dalton group.

Your lathe was built in 1913 and was the second model Hubert
built.
Your Lot 3 is number 5 in our search for the elusive Dalton's. I
have thee of the five and one is nothing but a parts lathe so if
you
need something let me know. Not to worry about restoring your
lathe
as we can talk you through just about any thing you will have to do.

Again glad to have you with us.

Dennis Turk.
Re: Greetings from a new Dalton owner.

Dennis Turk
 

Welcome to the Dalton group.

Your lathe was built in 1913 and was the second model Hubert built.
Your Lot 3 is number 5 in our search for the elusive Dalton's. I
have thee of the five and one is nothing but a parts lathe so if you
need something let me know. Not to worry about restoring your lathe
as we can talk you through just about any thing you will have to do.

Again glad to have you with us.

Dennis Turk.

--- In daltonlathes@..., "toolslinger1973"
<toolslinger@...> wrote:

Hiya folks. I've been looking around for a dirt cheap metal lathe
for some time... I knew there was one sitting in my dad's barn he
never uses, but I hate to take his toys away, so I kept looking
for a
really cheap little Atlas/Craftsman, which is what I thought he
had... Well I picked his up yesterday due to impatience, and found
it's a Dalton... Lot 3 #607
Haven't established the model yet, and I'm sorting through parts
and
accessories... I'll be picking your collective brain on a bunch of
this stuff I suspect...
Yes, I just registered over at oldarn.com.
Having now spent a little time looking around, and reading some,
I'm
a little leery of this being my first lathe now... Everything
seems
complete, and I've got a ton of tooling, so I'm ok there, but
naturally, one of the little Atlas types would be my preference to
start on in the case that I manage to botch it up... Not that I'm
an
amateur at restorations as I have been doing older (mostly 30's,
and
40's) woodworking machines for a while... The wood side of life is
what pushed me to look for a lathe, as I need to make a couple
little
parts for a '48 table saw I can't beg borrow or steal from anyone
else...
Cheers!
Greetings from a new Dalton owner.

toolslinger1973
 

Hiya folks. I've been looking around for a dirt cheap metal lathe
for some time... I knew there was one sitting in my dad's barn he
never uses, but I hate to take his toys away, so I kept looking for a
really cheap little Atlas/Craftsman, which is what I thought he
had... Well I picked his up yesterday due to impatience, and found
it's a Dalton... Lot 3 #607
Haven't established the model yet, and I'm sorting through parts and
accessories... I'll be picking your collective brain on a bunch of
this stuff I suspect...
Yes, I just registered over at oldarn.com.
Having now spent a little time looking around, and reading some, I'm
a little leery of this being my first lathe now... Everything seems
complete, and I've got a ton of tooling, so I'm ok there, but
naturally, one of the little Atlas types would be my preference to
start on in the case that I manage to botch it up... Not that I'm an
amateur at restorations as I have been doing older (mostly 30's, and
40's) woodworking machines for a while... The wood side of life is
what pushed me to look for a lathe, as I need to make a couple little
parts for a '48 table saw I can't beg borrow or steal from anyone
else...
Cheers!
Register your Dalton!

 

If you have not yet registered your Dalton please go to Andy's site
and REGISTER YOUR LATHE. Andy keeps a record
on his web site which includes the Lathe Serial numbers, approx date of
manufacturing and other information. Most of this list members were
invited based upon Andy's list, but there are several members who found
us by themselves or were refered.

SOOOOOO REGISTER YOUR DALTON if you have not done so.


Ron Peeler
B-4 owner
eBay Dalton

Dennis Turk
 

Hi All

Just to let you know Dirty Harry found another overhead drive
Dalton. This is a Lot 5 with the next to the newest serial number.

Beware of this machine as the front bearing cap is broken and has a
repair strap on it to hold the bearing cap down. The overhead drive
is just like the last one he offered that sold to the guy in
California. The clutches and the silent chain as well as the
reveres gear box are all missing from the drive. The end door top
fixed gear guard is missing and in its place is a crud home build
replacement.

There is one unique feature on this lathe. This lathe has the lever
collet closer bracket mounted to the back tee slot. If you take a
look at the pictures of the gear door end you will see the bracket
though there is no closer offered with the lathe.

I would rate this lathe as well used to used up with all the amateur
repairs I see to it. The lathe is a post 1924 with the tail stock
it has but is a pre 1926 lathe as it still has the NY address.

Here is the item number to the auction.

330067255208

Dennis Turk
Re: Hi, brand new member, but don't ask where my Dalton is at the current moment

Dennis Turk
 

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Hi Chrism
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Yes a Dalton B-4 has a swing of 7 1/4 inches.? These are the Lot 2 3 4 and Lot 5 lathes.? A ?B-6 Dalton has a? swing of 8 1/2 inches and is known as the Lot 6.? We think the 9 1/2 inch is a Lot 7 or 8 as we have never found one.? The Dalton six refuses to the number of speeds the lathe spindle will run at. We have no records of a 6 inch swing lathe ever being built.?
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Welcome to the group and by the way you need to let Andy Sargent know your lot and serial number as well as your name and location for the registry.
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Turk

----- Original Message -----
From: chrism3667
Sent: Monday, December 25, 2006 3:18 PM
Subject: [daltonlathes] Hi, brand new member, but don't ask where my Dalton is at the current moment

...cuz I'm too embarrassed to say :+. Anyway, can someone tell me
about the different swings on these lathes. I was of the impression
that there was a model with a 6" swing (a Dalton Six?). The one I
have...and I repeat, I won't tell where it's at...has just shy of an
8" swing IIRC. Most of the pictures in the gallery resemble mine.
Any Merry Christmas by the way.
Hi, brand new member, but don't ask where my Dalton is at the current moment

chrism3667
 

...cuz I'm too embarrassed to say :+. Anyway, can someone tell me
about the different swings on these lathes. I was of the impression
that there was a model with a 6" swing (a Dalton Six?). The one I
have...and I repeat, I won't tell where it's at...has just shy of an
8" swing IIRC. Most of the pictures in the gallery resemble mine.
Any Merry Christmas by the way.
Re: Our daltons are worth more than 1500 dollars

 

Hey Gang,
I have to agree with Brian AND Dennis. I'm way too attached to my
Dalton to sell it for less than that. I don't expect to though. Nor
plan to for that matter.
Even if I got a great lathe, I'd still keep the Dalton around and
use it. I just like the little guy too much. Just sentimental I guess,
sniff....
Dave
Re: Our daltons are worth more than 1500 dollars

 

-I have to agree with Dennis (wow that hurts) As I have said before,
I have both a 1940 South Bend and the Dalton. I can still get parts
for the South Bend on Ebay or even found a place where I can get "NEW
Parts" As for the Dalton, I think I was luckier than some members on
the Forum in that My machine was in pretty good shape. All that was
required was a few minor adjustments and figuring out how I wanted to
mount the motor. The main feature that the Dalton has over the South
bend, is the dalton came with the taper attachment. This was my main
reason for getting the Dalton, the Taper Attachment. All my turnings
on the dalton thus far on the Dalton have been tapered ferrules. I
only paid $200 which included the delivery. I was actually looking
for another Sound Bend when this lathe came along.

Now I do like my little Dalton, don't get me wrong. I am dreading the
day when something goes wrong with it

Ron



- In daltonlathes@..., "Dennis Turk" <dennis.turk2@...>
wrote:

Hi Brian

As to the one that sold for $1500. That lathe sold to a guy in
California that is a motor cycle nut and hand not a clue as to what
the that lathe was worth or its use. So this is not a fair example
of a collector item. He has contacted me and plans on using the
lathe in his bike hobby. He has not received the lathe yet so can
not even assess its condition. Most Daltons are fairly well used up
when we get them. The fact that these lathes are some what rare has
no baring on there values.

Look at the first generation mustang car. There were over 3.2
million of them made between April second 1964 and the end of
production in 1972. So you would think these cars would not have any
value as a collector item but the opposite is the fact. The fact
that there are so many of them makes them more collectable and
restorable. Remember you will need parts to restore anything and
that is why the mustang is the most restored car in history. The fact
that it supports a multi billion dollar a year parts business. In
1978 mustang clue of America was founded and a survey of all US DMV's
netted 381,000 fist generation mustangs still with active licenses.
In 1991 they did the same and the numbers had rose to 1, 486,000
cars. In 2001 they ran the survey again and they found that
2,126,000 of the original 3,2 M cars were back on the road. I kn ow
these numbers because I personaly brought back seven of them.

Take the 9 inch South Bend lathe witch is a much better machine
than any of the Lot 4 Daltons and they made a gazillion of them. You
see them for sale all the time as well as there parts. There prices
have been holding just about the same for the seven years I have been
watching lathes on eBay. The older SB from the thirties and back
have little value other than for a couple of guys like me that
restore them for display. Most that have them wont a better lathe
and will sell them for little money if they can only to move to a
more modern machine.

When you speak of the German lathe that sold for so much there were
only 10 of them built by a single person for his use and his friends.
Theses are very unusual machines and so have quite a following. So
does the Wade 8 A with only 849 ever produced or the Rivet 608.
These are very high end machines with limited numbers built or in
existence. Daltons on the other hand are very low end machines as
fare as quality and accuracy and they made a lot of them. Call them
what you like but they dont have much value to a collector and the
people that are looking for a lathe to use. They normally would
rather have a SB but if a Dalton comes up cheap they will try for it.

This is not to say that you dont have an unusual Dalton Brian but
other than one or two people in the US that mite pay the price you
think its worth finding them will be the problem. You do have a nice
lathe and as such would command a decent price but the price is based
on supply and demand and demand is the key word here. There are just
not a lot of people out there looking for a lathe like yours or are
they willing to pay a very high price for it. If your lathe were a
foot powered lathe it would command a higher price but still not as
high as you would think. There is a very large group of collectors
that will purchase any peddle powered machine that is complete. A
complete original W F and J Barnes lathe will command a price of over
$10,000. If its peddle or foot powered parts are missing the lathe
will not command a price over $1000 with all things being equal.
Just the way it is in the kooky world of the collectors. I paid
$2500 for the only peddle powered Dalton in existence. If it had
been a Barnes or an early pre 1915 SB or a Star it would have
comanded two or three times the price.

If you were to put your lathe up against a 9 inch workshop South
Bend lathe of equal condition and equally equipped the SB will bring
two times what your Dalton will. I am speaking of any kind of an
auction whether it be eBay or a public auction. These are just cold
hard facts.

Dennis Turk
----- Original Message -----
From: brian_skid
To: daltonlathes@...
Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2006 8:38 AM
Subject: [daltonlathes] Our daltons are worth more than 1500
dollars


Hi fella's. Im new to the dalton owners group, and the computer.
I,ve
been reading the chat group and Ebay. I see people selling these
Daltons for $1500. This makes no sense to me when I see tin
trays, with
Coca-Cola Painted on, selling for $500 to $800, or a doll selling
for
$1000. The reason this has come to my attention, is, as much as I
hate
to, I'm considering selling mine. I went to the Ebay store to ask
questions. When I told her how much I wanted for it, she told me,
she
could'nt run it for that much. Based on 3 other ones that were
selling
for $1400 to $1500. Even after I told her the condition and
rareity of
this machine. It seems to me, that, as the owners of these 74 or
so,
machines, are'nt we in control of their value. As long as people
keep
selling them for nothing, then thats what their worth. Let me
refer to
that old German lathe that sold for $47000 and Turk said " we'll
be
proud when our daltons are worth that." Now, I know that was much
older, bigger, and of better Quality, but, there is no way I'm
selling
mine for "nothing". I guess i'm looking for some feedback. Does
this
make sense to anybody else, or am I crazzzzy ?`
Dalton's Values

 

?Brian
?
Dennis has got it right, but, of course, so do you ;-}
?
We do NOT control the value of our lathes -- while we might be able to refuse to sell them for "nothing," and that may raise the selling prices a small amount, anything is subject to the law of supply and demand (being another motorcycle nut, I could wax loquacious on the vagaries of THAT market, but you'd all be snoring in short order).
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The short, AM radio version is that anything you own is worth exactly what a buyer is willing to pay for it -- but you already knew that ;-}
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In any event, enjoy either your lathe or the funds it generates from its sale --
?
John Rosberg
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Re: Our daltons are worth more than 1500 dollars

Dennis Turk
 

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Hi Brian
?
As to the one that sold for $1500.? That lathe sold to a guy in California that is a motor cycle nut and hand not a clue as to what the that?lathe?was worth or its use.? So this is not a fair example of a collector?item. ? He has contacted me and plans on using the lathe in his bike hobby.? He has not received the lathe yet so can not even assess its condition.? Most Daltons are fairly well used up when we get them.? The fact that these lathes are some what rare has no baring on there values.?
?
Look at the first generation mustang car.? There were over 3.2 million of them made between April second 1964 and the end of production in 1972.? So you would think these cars would not have any value as a collector item but?the opposite is the fact.? The fact that there are so many of them makes them more collectable and restorable.? Remember you will need parts to restore anything and that is why the mustang is the most restored car in history. The fact that it supports a multi billion dollar a year parts business.? In 1978 mustang clue of America was founded and a survey of all US DMV's netted 381,000 fist generation mustangs still with active licenses.? In 1991 they did the same and the numbers had rose to 1, 486,000 cars.? In 2001 they ran the survey again and they found that 2,126,000 of the original 3,2 M cars were back on the road. I kn ow these numbers because I personaly brought back seven of them.
?
Take the 9 inch South Bend lathe witch is a much better machine than any of the Lot 4 Daltons and they made a gazillion of them.? You see them for sale all the time as well as there parts.? There prices have been holding just about the same for the seven years I have been watching lathes on eBay.? The older SB from the thirties and back have little value other than for a couple of guys like me that restore them for display.? Most that have them wont a better lathe and will sell them for little money if they can only to move to a more modern machine.?
?
When you speak of the German lathe that sold for so much there were only 10 of them built by a single person for his use and his friends. Theses are very unusual machines and so have quite? a following.? So does the Wade 8 A with only 849 ever produced or the Rivet 608.? These are very high end machines with limited numbers built or in existence.? Daltons on the other hand are very low end machines as fare as quality and accuracy and they made a lot of them.? Call them what you like but they dont have much value to a collector and the people that are looking for a lathe to use. They normally would rather have a SB but if a Dalton comes up cheap they will try for it.
?
This is not to say that you dont have an unusual Dalton Brian but other than?one or two people in the US that mite pay the price you think its worth finding them will be the problem.? You do have a nice lathe and as such would command a decent price but the price is based on supply and demand and demand is the key word here.? There are just not a lot of people out there looking for a lathe like yours or are they willing to pay a very high?price for it.? If your lathe were a foot powered lathe it would command a higher price but still not as high as you would think.? There is a very large group of collectors that will purchase any peddle powered machine that is complete.? A complete original W F and J Barnes lathe will command a price of over $10,000.? If its peddle or foot powered parts are missing the lathe will not command a price over $1000 with all things being equal.? Just the way it is in the kooky world of the collectors.? I paid $2500 for the only peddle powered Dalton in existence.? If it had been a Barnes or an early pre 1915?SB or a Star it would have comanded two or three times the price.
?

If you were to put your lathe up against a 9 inch workshop South Bend lathe of equal condition and equally equipped the SB will bring two times what your Dalton will.? I am speaking of any kind of an auction whether it be eBay or a public auction.? These are just cold hard facts.
?
Dennis Turk
----- Original Message -----
From: brian_skid
Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2006 8:38 AM
Subject: [daltonlathes] Our daltons are worth more than 1500 dollars

Hi fella's. Im new to the dalton owners group, and the computer. I,ve
been reading the chat group and Ebay. I see people selling these
Daltons for $1500. This makes no sense to me when I see tin trays, with
Coca-Cola Painted on, selling for $500 to $800, or a doll selling for
$1000. The reason this has come to my attention, is, as much as I hate
to, I'm considering selling mine. I went to the Ebay store to ask
questions. When I told her how much I wanted for it, she told me, she
could'nt run it for that much. Based on 3 other ones that were selling
for $1400 to $1500. Even after I told her the condition and rareity of
this machine. It seems to me, that, as the owners of these 74 or so,
machines, are'nt we in control of their value. As long as people keep
selling them for nothing, then thats what their worth. Let me refer to
that old German lathe that sold for $47000 and Turk said " we'll be
proud when our daltons are worth that." Now, I know that was much
older, bigger, and of better Quality, but, there is no way I'm selling
mine for "nothing". I guess i'm looking for some feedback. Does this
make sense to anybody else, or am I crazzzzy ?`
Our daltons are worth more than 1500 dollars

brian_skid
 

Hi fella's. Im new to the dalton owners group, and the computer. I,ve
been reading the chat group and Ebay. I see people selling these
Daltons for $1500. This makes no sense to me when I see tin trays, with
Coca-Cola Painted on, selling for $500 to $800, or a doll selling for
$1000. The reason this has come to my attention, is, as much as I hate
to, I'm considering selling mine. I went to the Ebay store to ask
questions. When I told her how much I wanted for it, she told me, she
could'nt run it for that much. Based on 3 other ones that were selling
for $1400 to $1500. Even after I told her the condition and rareity of
this machine. It seems to me, that, as the owners of these 74 or so,
machines, are'nt we in control of their value. As long as people keep
selling them for nothing, then thats what their worth. Let me refer to
that old German lathe that sold for $47000 and Turk said " we'll be
proud when our daltons are worth that." Now, I know that was much
older, bigger, and of better Quality, but, there is no way I'm selling
mine for "nothing". I guess i'm looking for some feedback. Does this
make sense to anybody else, or am I crazzzzy ?`
Re: Idea's or questions about motor's on your Dalton

 

I had the option of having the my Dalton set up for variable speed for
free but turned it down. Both the motor and a separate controller for
the drive. I like the idea of using the lathe as close to original as
possible. However I did purchase a quick change tool post

Ron Peeler
B-4 Lot 4



--- In daltonlathes@..., "Dave" <dkirk_4@...> wrote:

Hi Larry,
I for one prefer a variable speed setup,ala a countershaft.If you
look in the photos section, you can see one in dkirk_4, and in
jmbonner. Jim Bonner's is a better picture cuz you can see the step
pulley that gives you the variable speeds.For some reason, when I
took
the pictures the step pulley wasn't on the countershaft.
I had a two step pulley on the motor as well, but Dennis
recomended
not going above 600 rpm's ( I'm pretty sure that's what it was ) so I
took it off, lest I be tempted. But I have a lot 4 which the Good
Doctor refers to as a "toy lathe", you may be able to go a little
faster than that.
Dave
Re: Idea's or questions about motor's on your Dalton

 

I using what I think is the orginal GE Motor.

Are you thinkin of using the varaible speed motor to control the
longitudial feed. If so this is what I did

After Dennis told me the pitch of the Dalton Gears I went to the
Boston Gear catalog (there was a Boson Gear already on the lathe).
Based upon the information on their catalog I measured the clearances
going for the maximum gears that I felt would fit within the gear
cover. I purchased a 20 tooth and a 98 tooth.

Previous combination 96/24/66 was about 6.3 seconds for the
longitudinal drive to travel 1 inch The 24 tooth and 66 tooth on
same shaft

New combination is 98/20/96 Longitude travel is now is about 11.7
seconds per inch. The 20 tooth and 96 tooth on same shaft. The two
new gears are meshing together.

Based upon the clearances I might have been able to go with a 100
tooth instead of the 98 tooth but I'm not sure. The 96 tooth is just
about touching the rear of the gear cover.

The new combination works just fife for me.





--- In daltonlathes@..., "Larry Robinson" <drec@...>
wrote:

What kind of motor's are you using on your lathe. Are you using
the
original motor or some kind of variable speed hook-up? I was
thinking
about using a treadmill motor with a controller for variable
speed.
Anyone have other idea's?
Re: John Glands Dalton

Dennis Turk
 

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Hi Brad
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Yes there are two little slotted arms you cant see that hold the motor in place but adjustable.
?
Turk

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Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2006 3:39 PM
Subject: Re: [daltonlathes] John Glands Dalton

Dennis,
?
Does John Gland's motor and countershaft rely on its weight pivoted back to apply pressure to the belt or is there a fixed arm locking the belt tension in??
Brad
?
?

Dennis Turk <dennis.turk2@verizon.net> wrote:
Hi All

I had nothing to do this morning so I posted some pictures of John
Glands 1915 B-4 Lot 4 serial number 2270.

For you guys that are looking for a drive for your Dalton take a
look at the last couple of pictures and you will see the one I built
for Johns Lathe. This lathe will fit on a 22 inch wide bench and is
really compact. The frame is just angle iron and to it is bolted a
Atlas vertical countershaft. These are always available on eBay and
I actually have a couple of them here if anyone is interested in
purchasing one for there lathe. As you can see in the photos I used
a poly Vee drive belt. These are available from McMaster Carr for
about $20 bucks and they come in a variety of lengths so you can
match up with your drive. These belts really grip and they like to
squeal before they start to slip. Run very smooth also.

As to the post about a VFD or variable speed drive they will work
just great but remember you will need to us a countershaft of some
kind were you can reduce the speed of the motor by at least 2 to 1
if not 3 to 1. If you try and run direct to the lathe from a VFD
equipped motor you will burn the windings out of your motor at slow
speeds. There is just not enough air moving over the field windings
to keep them cool. VFD's will really pump the power into your
windings at very slow speed trying to keep the torque up and really
heat things up in doing so. If you can not run a reduction on the
motor then you will have to put an additional fan on the motor to
cool it.

With the price of VFD's coming down they are becoming a drive of
chouse for many lathe owners. A 1 hp drive can be gotten off eBay
now for under $100. These give you a lot of flexibility in setting
up a simple drive but remember to set the top speed of the spindle
at 1000 or less or you will be looking for someone to make you a new
set of spindle bearings.

Turk


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Re: John Glands Dalton

 

Dennis,
?
Does John Gland's motor and countershaft rely on its weight pivoted back to apply pressure to the belt or is there a fixed arm locking the belt tension in??
Brad
?
?

Dennis Turk wrote:
Hi All

I had nothing to do this morning so I posted some pictures of John
Glands 1915 B-4 Lot 4 serial number 2270.

For you guys that are looking for a drive for your Dalton take a
look at the last couple of pictures and you will see the one I built
for Johns Lathe. This lathe will fit on a 22 inch wide bench and is
really compact. The frame is just angle iron and to it is bolted a
Atlas vertical countershaft. These are always available on eBay and
I actually have a couple of them here if anyone is interested in
purchasing one for there lathe. As you can see in the photos I used
a poly Vee drive belt. These are available from McMaster Carr for
about $20 bucks and they come in a variety of lengths so you can
match up with your drive. These belts really grip and they like to
squeal before they start to slip. Run very smooth also.

As to the post about a VFD or variable speed drive they will work
just great but remember you will need to us a countershaft of some
kind were you can reduce the speed of the motor by at least 2 to 1
if not 3 to 1. If you try and run direct to the lathe from a VFD
equipped motor you will burn the windings out of your motor at slow
speeds. There is just not enough air moving over the field windings
to keep them cool. VFD's will really pump the power into your
windings at very slow speed trying to keep the torque up and really
heat things up in doing so. If you can not run a reduction on the
motor then you will have to put an additional fan on the motor to
cool it.

With the price of VFD's coming down they are becoming a drive of
chouse for many lathe owners. A 1 hp drive can be gotten off eBay
now for under $100. These give you a lot of flexibility in setting
up a simple drive but remember to set the top speed of the spindle
at 1000 or less or you will be looking for someone to make you a new
set of spindle bearings.

Turk


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Re: Idea's or questions about motor's on your Dalton

 

Hi Larry,
I for one prefer a variable speed setup,ala a countershaft.If you
look in the photos section, you can see one in dkirk_4, and in
jmbonner. Jim Bonner's is a better picture cuz you can see the step
pulley that gives you the variable speeds.For some reason, when I took
the pictures the step pulley wasn't on the countershaft.
I had a two step pulley on the motor as well, but Dennis recomended
not going above 600 rpm's ( I'm pretty sure that's what it was ) so I
took it off, lest I be tempted. But I have a lot 4 which the Good
Doctor refers to as a "toy lathe", you may be able to go a little
faster than that.
Dave
John Glands Dalton

Dennis Turk
 

Hi All

I had nothing to do this morning so I posted some pictures of John
Glands 1915 B-4 Lot 4 serial number 2270.

For you guys that are looking for a drive for your Dalton take a
look at the last couple of pictures and you will see the one I built
for Johns Lathe. This lathe will fit on a 22 inch wide bench and is
really compact. The frame is just angle iron and to it is bolted a
Atlas vertical countershaft. These are always available on eBay and
I actually have a couple of them here if anyone is interested in
purchasing one for there lathe. As you can see in the photos I used
a poly Vee drive belt. These are available from McMaster Carr for
about $20 bucks and they come in a variety of lengths so you can
match up with your drive. These belts really grip and they like to
squeal before they start to slip. Run very smooth also.

As to the post about a VFD or variable speed drive they will work
just great but remember you will need to us a countershaft of some
kind were you can reduce the speed of the motor by at least 2 to 1
if not 3 to 1. If you try and run direct to the lathe from a VFD
equipped motor you will burn the windings out of your motor at slow
speeds. There is just not enough air moving over the field windings
to keep them cool. VFD's will really pump the power into your
windings at very slow speed trying to keep the torque up and really
heat things up in doing so. If you can not run a reduction on the
motor then you will have to put an additional fan on the motor to
cool it.

With the price of VFD's coming down they are becoming a drive of
chouse for many lathe owners. A 1 hp drive can be gotten off eBay
now for under $100. These give you a lot of flexibility in setting
up a simple drive but remember to set the top speed of the spindle
at 1000 or less or you will be looking for someone to make you a new
set of spindle bearings.

Turk
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