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Re: Question about lathe components
Larry Robinson
Is there anyone interested in the drip pans? I too would be
interested, depending on the cost and shipping. When could these be made if we were to go ahead with the build? --- In daltonlathes@..., "gm54210" <bischel@...> wrote: on the questions.flanges would be great. Even a couple of good pictures would help.
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Re: Dirty Harry on Drugs E-bay lathe
Larry Robinson
It sold, with a "Buy It Now"!!
--- In daltonlathes@..., "Ron Peeler" <Ronaldpeeler@...> wrote:
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Re: Question about lathe components
gm54210
Dennis,
I had forgotten that you mentioned the chip trays earlier. I for one, am interested. How much do you think they will cost? Oh, and shipping might be a bit salty to PA. What do you think? Wes --- In daltonlathes@..., "Dennis Turk" <dennis.turk2@...> wrote: getting them made up for us. All I will need is a list of guys that wont trays . I have samples of Lot 4 30 and 36 inch as well as the Lot 6 chip tray. These could be make with the holes or you can put the holes in them. In the case of the Lot 6 we know there are two different patterns so you should put in your own holes on this one.
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Re: Question about lathe components
Dennis Turk
开云体育Hi Ron
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Actually I dont have any pictures but they will not
be distinguishable from the originals.
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Turk
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Re: Question about lathe components
Hey Dennis
You say you have samples of these chip trays. Can you post some pictures as well as overall dimensions I'm currently using the bottom half of an oven's broiler pan. Ron Peeler B-4 Owner Moodus Ct --- In daltonlathes@..., "Dennis Turk" <dennis.turk2@...> wrote: getting them made up for us. All I will need is a list of guys that wont trays . I have samples of Lot 4 30 and 36 inch as well as the Lot 6 chip tray. These could be make with the holes or you can put the holes in them. In the case of the Lot 6 we know there are two different patterns so you should put in your own holes on this one. has the dimensions or maybe even a drawing of what one looked like.Just a basic size of the tray and an angular dimension with a lengthon the flanges would be great. Even a couple of good pictures wouldhelp. questions.
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Re: Question about lathe components
Dennis Turk
开云体育Hi Larry and all
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You guys that would like to have a chip tray I have
a source for getting them made up for us.? All I will need is a list of
guys that wont trays .? I have samples of Lot 4 30 and 36 inch as well as
the Lot 6 chip tray.? These could be make with the holes or you can put the
holes in them.? In the case of the Lot 6 we know there?are two
different patterns so you should put in your own holes on this one.
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Turk
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Question about lathe components
Larry Robinson
My lathe doesn't have a chip tray and I was wondering if anyone has
the dimensions or maybe even a drawing of what one looked like. Just a basic size of the tray and an angular dimension with a length on the flanges would be great. Even a couple of good pictures would help. Over the next couple of weeks I'm sure I'll have some other questions. Thanks, Larry |
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Brian Andersons fantastic find
Dennis Turk
Hi All
Well I have stopped crying for now so I thought I would let everyone know that Brian has made the score of the century. I will post one of Brian's pictures up for all to drool over. I just can't stop crying over what he has and I dont. Brian has come up with one of the most original pristine examples of old Hubert's art. I mean right down to a complete overhead planetary gear silent chain drive with original switch and all the guards. Ya and he even has a threading dial. Fantastic find. I wont it I wont it."-)))) Turk |
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Re: Dirty Harry on Drugs E-bay lathe
gm54210
I had been watching that as well and was really curious when it was
relisted what they were thinking. For the money the owner is asking now, there are a lot of larger better equipped machines out there - maybe he doesn't really want to sell it. On another note - Is the stand original? It looks more like a drawing table than a lathe stand. Wes |
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New Dalton B4 in Washington
Larry Robinson
Hi,
Today I purchased a Dalton B4 lathe, lot 4, S/N 2742, with a 36" bed. After I sort out, or figure out what all of the pieces are, I'll take some pictures and post them if anyone is interested. This lathe was advertised on Craigslist several weeks ago, here in Seattle |
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Re: Dirty Harry on Drugs E-bay lathe
Dennis Turk
开云体育Hi Ron
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Yes I had been in contact with Herb but he is not
the owner of the lathe he only sells on eBay.? The owner never set any kind
of a price on the lathe but as the auction came to an end he got scared and made
Herb pull it off.? Now you can see what he wants for it.? Herb said he
will not take anything less that $1000 for it so he will be keeping it for a
long time.? Herb said at the beginning he never set a price he wonted for
it but got greedy after the fact.? Hell I got a much better condition
machine exactly like this one with two nice chucks all the change gears and
ceiling countershaft for $143 back in the same state so he is smoking something
odd I think.
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Turk
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Dirty Harry on Drugs E-bay lathe
Another Dalton listed on e-bay
metal lathe "dalton six" antique beauty early 1900's !! Item number: 330056241444 Dirty Harry pulled his orginal listing and re-listed as a "Buy it Now" or "Best Offer" "Buy it now price" US $1,499.99 He must have checked Andy's site since he says it one of 73 left in the world Just my opinion |
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Re: B-4 on ebay
Dennis Turk
开云体育?
Hi Wes
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No problem with a drive as I have helped Andy setup
one.? Check out his web site and look for Andy Sargents lathe.? I may
have some standards for? you but not sure right now.? For sure I will
help you with a drive all it will cost you is a set of legs.:-)))).? I may
also come up with a chip tray as I have some blanks made up just need to get
then bent up and the corners welded.? These would look just like the
original chip trays.
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I also have a South Bend Simplex drive that mounts
on the wall above and behind the lathe.? These were used on all SB small
bench mount lathes in the? twenties and thirties.? I have no use of it
as it came with a bunch of other stuff I got.?
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Did you get the countershaft step pulley that went
to your lathe???? I hope so because a fixed drive will need the correct
pulley.? If its adjustable you can substitute a SB workshop drive pulley.
With the variable speed drive you may not need a step pulley and you will be
able?to use a Poly Vee belt as that is what a lot of us are using.? I
use them on SB as well as Daltons.? Here is a picture of a setup I did for
John Glands lathe.? this is a custom mounting bracket with a vertical Atlas
countershaft. Owe I forgot I cant send pictures to the Yahoo Dalton site. Email
me at dennis.turk2atverizon.net for personal emails.
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Now you will wont to set you lathe up to run no
more than 1000 rpm.? Daltons actually only turned 480 so we cant spin them
to fast.? Balance you know.
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Happy to have? you with the group Wes.?
There are some great guys here and all are willing?to help
newbie's.
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Dennis Turk
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Re: B-4 on ebay
gm54210
Dennis,
Thank you for taking the time to respond so thoroughly to my inquiry. I checked the lathe out with your tips in mind and was pleasantly surprised how tight and smooth everything is. I did end up buying the lathe – but took your advice and bid accordingly so I wouldn't invest too much. I have been looking for a South Bend or equal for some time now. As is typical, I have either found cheap and beat, or nice equipment that is out of my budget. I did break down and get the minilathe to fill the gap. A lot of the tooling for the mini will hold over to the Dalton which is nice on the budget. I know the gentleman I purchased it from. He actually set up a SB 9 and Hardinge mill in our model shops where I used to work (and he still does). He has a habit of picking up nice equipment. Overall the lathe is in nice shape – and was reasonably priced all things considered. The only thing missing is the drive set-up. I figured I would need to put one together, but before I spend too much time – does anyone happen to have a spare?! (Never hurts to ask.) I have a 1hp DC motor/controller set I am going to use (I liked the variable speed of the mini), but I also see the need to put together a countershaft with step pulleys so I can keep the motor speed and torque at appropriate levels. I may also have to mount it on a bench due to space constraints - which I hate to do because I like the legs, but it may also make mounting the drive easier. Any thoughts? Thank you again for your input. I'm sure there are a bunch of things I have not thought of yet, so I'm sure I'll be back picking the group's collective brain. Wes |
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Re: dalton 6 b4 drive
Dennis Turk
开云体育Hi Daren
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In the South Bend how to run a lathe there is a
setup showing an overhead line shaft drive system.? If you don't have a
copy of this they are always available on eBay.
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Some of the Dalton line shaft units were made to
run on the wall rather than on the ceiling.? The bearing blocks on the
standards have an oil reservoir and I believe can only? be mounted one
way.? Correct me if I am wrong here Andy.?? I would need to go
look at one of mine to be sure.? The bearing blocks are?the same its
the mounting standard that is different I believe.
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Dennis Turk
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dalton 6 b4 drive
darrenrota
i have a b4 lathe with original overhead shaft system which i want to
set up wondering if anyone could help by way of diagram or photo; s showing drive shaft mounting and dimensions and what size drive pulley do i need for the moter i would like every thing to look period looking ;regards Darren |
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Re: B-4 on ebay
Dennis Turk
-Hi Wes
OK to Daltons. The Lot 2 3 4 and 5 lathes were aimed at the home shop market. Lot 6 and 8 lathes were for business use. The Lot 4 lathe you are talking about was built about 1923 to early 1925. The lathe is still equipped with the early 96 tooth lead screw gear so I am going to say the lathe is closer to 1923 than 1925. Later lathes used a full disc gear rather than one with spokes. The lathes still shows the NY address on the thread chart but mfg was moved to the Ct South Beach plant later in 1925. The lathe is missing its chip tray that went between the legs and the lathe bed feet. Also the collet closers shown are kind of a hodge podge of home made items. The original closer draw tub is in the box of accessories but the red plastic handle is missing and I am betting the threads in the tube are stripped out. I have two of them that way. Seams Dalton used very soft material for the closer tube. The others shown are home brew items. The face plate has been drilled full of holes also. The three jaw chuck looks well used but it does have both sets of jaws witch is a plus. Now the Dalton has an odd spindle thread so there are no after market spindle tools available for this lathe. The collet nose piece that is in the spindle in one of the photos is original but they are very soft and usually worn to a point of inaccuracy. Yes the Dalton used 3C collets. I can tell the lathe has had some kind of countershaft mounted on the bed tee slot. I believe this is were the damage happened. There are signs of something being mounted just behind the head stock. Interestingly I have a Ct built Lot 5 lathe with the same dealer tag as this lathe. Kemp Machine Sales from Baltimore. One thing to remember about these lathes is they used Babbitt spindle bearings and if bad you will have to make new ones as replacements are not available. The spindle is quite soft and pron to ware. If the lack of lubrication or abrasives have been used on the lathe there will be damage. That for the most part can be said for any part on the lathe. If you need a part you are basically on you own to find one. Some of use will pick up another lathe for parts as we restore these lathes to useful work. I guess what I am saying here Wes is for the home shop person that is just starting out with lathes there are more desirable lathes out there. I have a lot of experience with the 9 inch SB workshop lathe and as there were tens of thousands of them built there is a large parts business for them. Atlas lathes are also a cheap lathe with lots of parts available but they are just that, cheap and to use one will drive you nuts. Owe they are better than your mini lathe but not much just bigger. I had one of the very first mini lathe imported back in 1987. I will admit they have come a long way since that lathe. The Dalton lathe is a fun little lathe to play with and some of the guys have been very successful in making all kinds of parts with them. Most of us like the history and the fact that they are quite rare and as so like restoring them the best we can. Wes if you're looking for a lathe to use a lot the SB is a better bet than the Dalton. The SB will cost a little more than this Dalton will but you will have a better lathe. You see I have restored a number of them and know them well. The ones I have restored for other people are in use daily and give good service. If you have any other questions feel free to email me direct Wes. Dennis Turk -- In daltonlathes@..., "gm54210" <bischel@...> wrote: this lathe to replace a little mini lathe I currently own. I joinedyour site to learn about the lathe prior to bidding. I do have a fewissue? How about mounting one from a different lathe?complete? not be obvious? |
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Re: B-4 on ebay
gm54210
Hi, I'm new here. My name is Wes and I am looking at purchasing this
lathe to replace a little mini lathe I currently own. I joined your site to learn about the lathe prior to bidding. I do have a few questions if I might. What should I expect to pay for this lathe? Would making a new countershaft set-up, or finding one be an issue? How about mounting one from a different lathe? What is the size of the MT in the tailstock? Will 3C collets fit the headstock? Do the collet closers look complete? Any idiosyncrasies I should know about Dalton lathes that might not be obvious? Thanks in advance for any help, Wes |
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Re: B-4 on ebay
Dennis Turk
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