Re: Lot 2 Serial Number 411
Great job Marc
I am curios about a couple of things.? Ok for one do you have and end door and hinge for the lathe?? Also the extension sticking out the back of the spindle I don't recognize as standard Dalton.? Also your base casting for the compound slide is a lot longer than we see on the other Lot 2 lathes we know of.? ?Knowing that the compound slide was a weak point on this model we have seen a number of shop made replacements. Do you have a barrel for the tail stock? Also the bull gear teeth are a bit odd as you have what looks like a number of short ones but they also seem to be evenly spaced.? Are they repaired teeth or have they been shortened? Also your thread dial looks like it came from another lathe as the two very early Lot 2 lathes there was no provision for attaching a thread dial on the apron casting.? In your picture it kind of looks like an Atlas thread dial.? Your lead screw is a 12 pitch and as such the gear on the thread dial needs to be an even number multiple of 12.? 24 or 48 teeth.? 48 being standard thread dial gears on all lather Daltons other than the Lot 6 and Dalton 9 that used a 10 pitch lead screw so these two lathe models used a 40 tooth gear but the housing was the same as used on the Lot 3 4 and 5 lathes. The reason I ask about the end door is that I may have an extra one.??
Dennis
On Thursday, November 19, 2020, 10:58:21 AM PST, Ebay Boy <ebaybono@...> wrote:
Before and after. Another saved from the scrap. Joy to operate now.?
Total restoration work time approx 35 (real) hours start to finish. But that also includes all the tooling, saw table, steady rest, milling attachment, 4 jaw chuck and tail stock drill chucks and other accessories etc etc.?
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Before and after. Another saved from the scrap. Joy to operate now.?
Total restoration work time approx 35 (real) hours start to finish. But that also includes all the tooling, saw table, steady rest, milling attachment, 4 jaw chuck and tail stock drill chucks and other accessories etc etc.?
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Re: Spindle Nose Adapter for Lot 4
Good Morning Adrian
If I read your message correctly you are saying the adapter plate on you chuck cracked were it screws onto the spindle.? As far as an adapter for changing to a 1 1/2 - 8 the problem is the miner diameter of the 1 1/2 is very close to the major diameter of the 1 1/4 - 12 so an adapter would be rather fragile. If your back plate is broken I can help here as I have one more new back plate for a a Dalton spindle.? Let me know if this would help.? I am currently down at my Oregon coast home and will not be back to my regular home till next week.? All my parts are in McMinnville my regular home.
Dennis.
On Wednesday, November 18, 2020, 10:57:38 PM PST, Adrian McCullough <mccullough.adrian@...> wrote:
Hey guys, it has been a little while! I have been enjoying reading the conversations. I am wondering if anyone has drawings and/or specs for a? 1" 12 TPI adapter? that converts the? Dalton Lot 4 spindle to a more standard 1 1/2" 8 tpi. Mine cracked and I am having trouble getting good measurements.? Possibly someone has made these and could assist me.? ?My Hendey is currently out of commission and now I can't? chuck up my Lot 4 so I am kind of stranded LOL? I look forward to hearing if there is anything out there.? ? ?Here is my little machine for reference.? Dennis was a great help and valuable resource for me in my greatest times of need when I brought this lathe back from the dead..??  
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Spindle Nose Adapter for Lot 4
Hey guys, it has been a little while! I have been enjoying reading the conversations. I am wondering if anyone has drawings and/or specs for a? 1" 12 TPI adapter? that converts the? Dalton Lot 4 spindle to a more standard 1 1/2" 8 tpi. Mine cracked and I am having trouble getting good measurements.? Possibly someone has made these and could assist me.? ?My Hendey is currently out of commission and now I can't? chuck up my Lot 4 so I am kind of stranded LOL? I look forward to hearing if there is anything out there.? ? ?Here is my little machine for reference.? Dennis was a great help and valuable resource for me in my greatest times of need when I brought this lathe back from the dead..??  
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Re: The Saw Attachment & Serial number
Dennis, the Fire ended about 100 feet ?yeah 100 FLIPPIN FEET from my shop and house. ?I am SOOOOOO ?Lucky!!! ?Some of my neighbors, ?not so much¡. ?If you ?(or anyone else in the group) is/are interested, ?this is my Youtube channel?? If you look at the two newest videos ?(Before and After)¡Before was taken with the insurance man in mind given we were worried something would happen. ?After was a week later after I had JUST returned as a refugee (I escaped with literally the clothes on my back!) ?from a Motel 6 in Tigard. ?
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Hey Bart its good to hear from you I have been worried that you were burned out in the fire.? Any updates on your place.??
On Tuesday, November 17, 2020, 12:37:57 PM PST, Ebay Boy < ebaybono@...> wrote:
Great reply Dennis. My apologies for the confusion. When you said earlier that you ¡°find it odd that it is stamped Lot 4¡± I took it that you had viewed the original photo upload and was confirming that it was stamped as four and not, quite rightly , questioning it.?
so, it¡¯s a rare one. Fortunately for this little lathe I¡¯ve completely stripped it back over the past week and today it¡¯s had its final coat of black paint after being zinc plated and primed. ?I want to let the paint fully cure before I put it back together but I¡¯m pretty confident it¡¯s going to be an excellent machine and already leaps ahead of its condition when collected. That said She¡¯s not for looking at and will be out to work next week. I¡¯ll send some photos when she¡¯s back together of this, LOT 4, I mean LOT 2? ?
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Re: The Saw Attachment & Serial number
Hey Bart its good to hear from you I have been worried that you were burned out in the fire.? Any updates on your place.??
On Tuesday, November 17, 2020, 12:37:57 PM PST, Ebay Boy <ebaybono@...> wrote:
Great reply Dennis. My apologies for the confusion. When you said earlier that you ¡°find it odd that it is stamped Lot 4¡± I took it that you had viewed the original photo upload and was confirming that it was stamped as four and not, quite rightly , questioning it.?
so, it¡¯s a rare one. Fortunately for this little lathe I¡¯ve completely stripped it back over the past week and today it¡¯s had its final coat of black paint after being zinc plated and primed.
?I want to let the paint fully cure before I put it back together but I¡¯m pretty confident it¡¯s going to be an excellent machine and already leaps ahead of its condition when collected. That said She¡¯s not for looking at and will be out to work next week. I¡¯ll send some photos when she¡¯s back together of this, LOT 4, I mean LOT 2?
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Re: The Saw Attachment & Serial number
Great reply Dennis. My apologies for the confusion. When you said earlier that you ¡°find it odd that it is stamped Lot 4¡± I took it that you had viewed the original photo upload and was confirming that it was stamped as four and not, quite rightly , questioning it.?
so, it¡¯s a rare one. Fortunately for this little lathe I¡¯ve completely stripped it back over the past week and today it¡¯s had its final coat of black paint after being zinc plated and primed.
?I want to let the paint fully cure before I put it back together but I¡¯m pretty confident it¡¯s going to be an excellent machine and already leaps ahead of its condition when collected. That said She¡¯s not for looking at and will be out to work next week. I¡¯ll send some photos when she¡¯s back together of this, LOT 4, I mean LOT 2?
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Re: The Saw Attachment & Serial number
The Dalton combination machine was the lot 1
On Tue, Nov 17, 2020 at 11:19 AM, Grey Pilgrim <pilgrim23@...> wrote: this does raise a question: Was there ever a ¡°Lot 1¡± Lathe or was that a prototype?? Any examples hinted of in that biography?
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Re: The Saw Attachment & Serial number
this does raise a question: Was there ever a ¡°Lot 1¡± Lathe or was that a prototype? Any examples hinted of in that biography?
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Re: The Saw Attachment & Serial number
One has to remember these are very old tools.? I have more knowledge of Dalton lathes than anyone but then one gets thrown curves when information given is not always correct.? You said its stamped Lot 4 serial number 11 but then you show a picture of it stamped Lot 2 serial number 411.? All the pictures you have shown are of a Lot 2 lathe. Lot 2 lathes were built for less than a year in 1913 the first year that Dalton Mfg was in business.? These facts and much of the information I have comes from an autobiography written by the wife of one of Hubert Daltons nephews Hubert Dalton Peck. As asked by her it was not to be published publicly but could use the information were needed.? Some of the information you see on Tony Griffiths web site which I provided for Tony came from this document.? ?
I also have examples of one complete and one incomplete Lot 2 lathe as well as two Lot 3 lathes five Lot 4 lathes and four Lot 5 lathes.? I also have two Lot 6 lathes as well as two complete and one incomplete? Dalton 9 lathes so I do speak with a bit of authority.?
The pictures you have shown in this post are of a Lot 2 bed as its unique to the lot number or model number.? Lot 3 beds share the design of the Lot 4 and 5 bed. One other point is that Lot 2 lathes do not have a Tee slot running down the back of the bed like all later models have.? This feature was added to all? later lathes for attaching accessories.? With the addition of the Tee slot Dalton could mount a taper attachment as well as the Fox quick threading attachment.? Quite a number of Daltons have the taper attachment but we have never found a complete Fox quick threading attachment only a couple of lathes with part of the threading attachment mounted to the lathe.??
OK I just seen the addition to your message that's with the first picture.? The Lot 2 lathe the bed was very lightly built.? Also the lead screw support bushings were bolted vertically to the bed were as in all later Lot numbers the support bushings are bolted horizontally.? ?The front edge of the bed at both ends were the bushings are bolted on was prone to be broken.? Seen several examples and have one that is damaged.? We think this damage came from the bed or lathe being dropped and landing on the end of one of the front edges.? Picture shows how the left lead screw bushing on a Lot 4 is mounted and the tail stock end is mounted the same way. Now this is only a guess but I am going to say that the Lot 2 lathe weighed 60 to 70 pounds less than the later Lot 3 4 and 5 lathes.? About the only thing that is the same is the length of the bed at 30 inches.
Not sure were your at but if you go to a janitorial supply place they sell Mr. Muscle oven cleaner.? This stuff is what I have used for the last 30 years to strip parts.? You spray the bed tonight with this product and tomorrow rinse it off with a garden hose and will have a pristine clean bed nearly ready for paint.? As to paint Daltons lathes were coated with Japanning.? The product comprised of two parts boiled linseed oil two parts pure gum turpentine and one part powdered asphalt or asphaltum as it was known as back when this product was used.? Japanning was very thick and was applied with a brush and it dried very slowly. During the drying process it would lay out flat.? Then the parts would be baked three times each time at? a higher temperature.? Sometimes pine tree rosin was added as a? hardener. Also the finished parts were rubbed using cheese cloth and pumas powder. Singer sawing machines you see that are black this is japanning at its best they were masters at using it and did so all the way up into the nineteen fifties.
As many of our group read these messages this is why I am writing this so others that are newer to the group can learn some of the history about there lathes.
Dennis
On Tuesday, November 17, 2020, 01:14:31 AM PST, Ebay Boy <ebaybono@...> wrote:
If nothing interchanges as per your last message, then all your previous messages contradict. If nothing interchanges, how could I possibly have a mix of said lathes? It appears some holes exist in the knowledge regarding these lathes no??
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Re: The Saw Attachment & Serial number
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Re: The Saw Attachment & Serial number
I¡¯ll note all numbers I find on any components and post results.?
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Re: The Saw Attachment & Serial number
If nothing interchanges as per your last message, then all your previous messages contradict. If nothing interchanges, how could I possibly have a mix of said lathes? It appears some holes exist in the knowledge regarding these lathes no??
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Re: The Saw Attachment & Serial number
It only matters when your looking for replacement parts.? Lot 2 lathes are vary rare and nothing interchanges with a Lot 3 4 or 5..
On Monday, November 16, 2020, 07:10:41 PM PST, Ebay Boy <ebaybono@...> wrote:
I cant imagine any reason why anyone at the factory would stamp something it isn¡¯t. Who cares anyway what lot number it is does it matter? What¡¯s the deal with these lot numbers?
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Re: The Saw Attachment & Serial number
I cant imagine any reason why anyone at the factory would stamp something it isn¡¯t. Who cares anyway what lot number it is does it matter? What¡¯s the deal with these lot numbers?
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Re: The Saw Attachment & Serial number
Another thing the lead screw mount bearing in red primer is a Lot 2 item not Lot 3 4 or 5. The mystery thickens:-)
On Monday, November 16, 2020, 05:45:00 PM PST, Dennis Turk <dennis.turk2@...> wrote:
I find that really odd that the bed is stamped Lot 4.? First off measure the center height.? Lot 4 swing 7 1/4 inches a lot 2 swings 6 inches.? The cross slide and compound are definitely Lot 2 parts. The saddle is also Lot 2 with a bolt on cross slide lead screw bushing Lot 3 and 4 have a screw in bushing. I can also see that the bottom casting for the tail stock is short and is for a 6 inch lathe the Lot 3 4 and 5 lathes that casting is much taller.? Phil Boxels lathe in England is stamped Lot 2 but is in fact a Lot 4 lathe.? So maybe the guy that stamped the lot and serial number could not read:-).
On Monday, November 16, 2020, 01:00:40 PM PST, <ebaybono@...> wrote:
I¡¯ve taken the lathe apart and started cleaning it up.?
I can confirm the serial number is eleven (11) and it¡¯s a Lot 4?
Ive stripped the paint off all surfaces back to bare metal and this evening I¡¯ll be electroplating Zinc onto all surfaces before a zink primer and finally a coat of black paint (where I absolutely have to) I¡¯m no fan of paint but I¡¯ll put her back to original format Barr the added protection of electro plating. I think it¡¯s an extra step worth taking. I¡¯ll upload a few examples of where I¡¯m at thus far.?
   
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Re: The Saw Attachment & Serial number
I find that really odd that the bed is stamped Lot 4.? First off measure the center height.? Lot 4 swing 7 1/4 inches a lot 2 swings 6 inches.? The cross slide and compound are definitely Lot 2 parts. The saddle is also Lot 2 with a bolt on cross slide lead screw bushing Lot 3 and 4 have a screw in bushing. I can also see that the bottom casting for the tail stock is short and is for a 6 inch lathe the Lot 3 4 and 5 lathes that casting is much taller.? Phil Boxels lathe in England is stamped Lot 2 but is in fact a Lot 4 lathe.? So maybe the guy that stamped the lot and serial number could not read:-).
On Monday, November 16, 2020, 01:00:40 PM PST, <ebaybono@...> wrote:
I¡¯ve taken the lathe apart and started cleaning it up.?
I can confirm the serial number is eleven (11) and it¡¯s a Lot 4?
Ive stripped the paint off all surfaces back to bare metal and this evening I¡¯ll be electroplating Zinc onto all surfaces before a zink primer and finally a coat of black paint (where I absolutely have to) I¡¯m no fan of paint but I¡¯ll put her back to original format Barr the added protection of electro plating. I think it¡¯s an extra step worth taking. I¡¯ll upload a few examples of where I¡¯m at thus far.?
   
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Re: The Saw Attachment & Serial number
I¡¯ve taken the lathe apart and started cleaning it up.?
I can confirm the serial number is eleven (11) and it¡¯s a Lot 4?
Ive stripped the paint off all surfaces back to bare metal and this evening I¡¯ll be electroplating Zinc onto all surfaces before a zink primer and finally a coat of black paint (where I absolutely have to) I¡¯m no fan of paint but I¡¯ll put her back to original format Barr the added protection of electro plating. I think it¡¯s an extra step worth taking. I¡¯ll upload a few examples of where I¡¯m at thus far.?
   
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Re: Finally operational!...
A friend made the belt to fit my smaller than normal countershaft. The compound rest itself was a fun project. Yes, a good solid slab of steel! The original had been broken and butchered back together several times. I simply used it as a pattern for the new one.
On Friday, November 13, 2020, 06:03:08 PM EST, <ebaybono@...> wrote:
Started cleaning mine up today. I must say I do like your?compound rest. Nice solid slab. Wonderful machines. I enjoyed hearing the tick tick tick from the belt. Got the original one here but she¡¯s too weak to possibly consider using.?
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Started cleaning mine up today. I must say I do like your?compound rest. Nice solid slab. Wonderful machines. I enjoyed hearing the tick tick tick from the belt. Got the original one here but she¡¯s too weak to possibly consider using.?
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Dennis Turk
Adrian McCullough
