Re: New member seeking Dalton Six advice
I believe the spindle bearings on the B-4 are babbit. If this is
true,there are some things you can do to reduce the clearance. There
is usually a shim pack installed between the parting surfaces of babbit
bearings. If there are shims, it's just a matter of removing the shims
one at a time to get the desired clearance. If there are no shims
installed or if they have all been removed, you could lap the parting
surfaces of the bearing caps to reduce the clearance. (if we are only
talking about a couple thou) This is a common method of reducing
clearances on older car engines with babbit bearings. I would think
that to repour and bore the bearings on one of these lathes would be
too expensive.
Since your screen name is oddball racing, I'll assume that you know
about checking the clearance with plastgage or aluminum foil.
Jim Bonner (B-6 owner)
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Hi all
Well yesterday the Ratshooter an I picked up Greg Fosmarks lot 6
lathe with all the great accessories it came with.
This lathe is the one I did the saddle rebuild on last summer. This
lathe is in fantastic condition. Most of the lathe shows no ware and
only a few dings on the bed from dropping things. Most of the
original japanning is there and for the most part its still nice
looking though dirty. There are a few thin and worn areas but that
is only from use.
The two chucks that came with the lathe are original equipment and
it great shape. The steady and the follower rest don't look like
they were ever used. Nor does the taper attachment. The lathe in
the past has had a cam lock device mounted under the tail stock so it
has a cam lock lever that works really good. The original tail stock
plate that goes under the bed was with the lathe. We got the
original tool post and quite a number of tool holders. The lathe as a
full set of 3C collets and most of them are Dalton brand. The hand
wheel closer is original and in nice shape. Greg did a great job of
taking care of this machine.
The bench mount rear motor driven counter shaft is in fact a 1926 to
1930 SB unit that was purchased with the lathe when it was new. This
drive is of the silent chain type and does not use a v belt. The
motor is of the repulsion induction type that use brushes. Runs dead
quiet and very smooth. Very nice shape.
All in all there is nothing with the lathe or the drive that shows
any more than very light use over the last 77 years.
We even managed to squeeze the bench into the truck Greg had the
lathe mounted on. Now it was raining like crazy all the way back to
Oregon. But as we don't allow rain here as soon as we crossed the
interstate bridge between Vancouver and Portland we were in sunshine
the rest of the way home."-))))
I did confirm that this lathe has serial number 7014 and is the
newest Dalton know of. The original owner purchased this lathe we
think in Seattle in 1929.
Dennis Turk
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Re: New member seeking Dalton Six advice
I see your the guy that got the lathe off of Crags list. Jeff Beck of tools4cheap sent me a heads up on this lathe. Dennis Turk
Not me Dennis, you have me confused with someone else's inquiry. I've had this old girl for over 15 years I think. Plus it is in very good shape except its in need of fresh spindle bearings. Seems like your the man I need to ask, from the sites I have visited.
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Re: New member seeking Dalton Six advice
I see your the guy that got the lathe off of Crags
list.? Jeff Beck of tools4cheap sent me a heads up on this
lathe.
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Your pictures tell a lot better story than the ones
that were on Crags list.
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OK the serial and lot number are stamped at the
very end of the rear bed way tail stock end.? I can till you your lathe is
a Lot 4 by the fact that you do not have a key way in your lead screw or do you
have the power? feed worm gear in the apron.? You have a post 1922
tails tock but still have one piece back gear guards. This lathe looks like a
transactional model between the Lot 4 and Lot 5 lathes.? Most lathes with
this tail stock and end door usually have the two piece back gear
guards.
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You also have a solid disc back gear in stead of
the earlier model with spokes in the hub.? Your countershaft consists of
the cone pulley and the bearing standards from the ceiling mount double friction
counter shaft drive that was standard with each lathe.? There would have
been to more pulleys with clutches built in.? The two horse shoe items that
are on the bearing standards would have held the shift rod that was attached to
the clutches. There would have been a wood handle hanging down from this clutch
rod for shifting.
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The fact that your lathe has the two piece end door
you machine was shipped with a collet closer.? The two piece door allowed
the gears to be changed without removing the closer.? It also allowed you
to easily lube the end gears without opening the door.
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So what is the step v belt pulley for that is
attached to the threading lead screw?
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I am glad someone is salvaging this old girl as she
looked really bad in the crags list photos.
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Good luck and if you need any parts let me know as
I may have what you need.
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Dennis Turk
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Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 5:31
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Subject: [daltonlathes] New member
seeking Dalton Six advice
Hi, newest member here. just found site blah blah blah:)I have a
Dalton
Six B-4. Looking for advice as to what to do with it. I use it
all the
time it's a nice little machine. I did not think it was as
rare as it
seems to be, nor did I realize how old it is. It could use
spindle bearing
work though, when run hard I get some tool chatter.
Lets try to describe
it based on all the photos in the gallery.
First distinguishing item seems
to be the apron. Most of what I see in
the pix have Dalton cast into the
front, NOT mine. Mine seems to have
a plain face like Brian Anderson's.
Physically I'd say it' probably
closer to Pete's (although his does have
the cast logo on its
apron),but with out that stepped hub thing-a-majig
off the left side.
I seem to have the same countershaft set-up as Pete's
too.
Now the questions.............
Where is the serial
number supposed to be?
Are my spindle bearings hopeless as far as
repairs?
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New member seeking Dalton Six advice
Hi, newest member here. just found site blah blah blah:)I have a
Dalton Six B-4. Looking for advice as to what to do with it. I use it
all the time it's a nice little machine. I did not think it was as
rare as it seems to be, nor did I realize how old it is. It could use
spindle bearing work though, when run hard I get some tool chatter.
Lets try to describe it based on all the photos in the gallery.
First distinguishing item seems to be the apron. Most of what I see in
the pix have Dalton cast into the front, NOT mine. Mine seems to have
a plain face like Brian Anderson's. Physically I'd say it' probably
closer to Pete's (although his does have the cast logo on its
apron),but with out that stepped hub thing-a-majig off the left side.
I seem to have the same countershaft set-up as Pete's too.
Now the questions.............
Where is the serial number supposed to be?
Are my spindle bearings hopeless as far as repairs?
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Re: New member seeking Dalton Six advice
I am the guy that got the lathe off of Craig's list. I have spent the last few days removing dirt, rust, and worse. Scotch brite pads and elbow grease go a long way. ?I will post more pictures, as soon as the lathe becomes more presentable. I have already become attached to her!
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no, thats o.k.
From: "Ed stoller"
Reply-To: daltonlathes@...
To:
Subject: Re: [daltonlathes] dalton 6
Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2007 18:50:30 -0500
Nope, a lades bike with a basket on the handle bars. If you are interested, I will chase the make tomorrow.
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Ed Stoller
New Fairfield, CT
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Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2007 11:55 AM
Subject: Re: [daltonlathes] dalton 6
motorcycle?
From: "Ed stoller" <edstoller@earthlink.net>
Reply-To: daltonlathes@yahoogroups.com
To: <daltonlathes@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [daltonlathes] dalton 6
Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 21:33:43 -0500
Hi,
I have an old bike that needs a home. It has a British 3 speed.
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Ed Stoller
New Fairfield, CT
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Sent: Monday, January 22, 2007 2:10 PM
Subject: [daltonlathes] dalton 6
Hi, i own 'Dalton Six' lathe that i'm thinking of parting with. Anybody
in this group interested? I would really like to trade it for a combo
machine. Its a great machine, but my interests lie more in restoring
bikes than tools! Located in Ramsey, N.J.
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Nope, a lades bike with a basket on the
handle bars. If you are interested, I will chase the make tomorrow.
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Ed Stoller
New Fairfield, CT
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6
motorcycle?
From: "Ed stoller" <edstoller@earthlink.net>
Reply-To:
daltonlathes@yahoogroups.com
To:
<daltonlathes@yahoogroups.com>
Subject:
Re: [daltonlathes] dalton 6
Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 21:33:43
-0500
Hi,
I have an old bike that needs a
home. It has a British 3 speed.
?
Ed Stoller
New Fairfield,
CT
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Sent: Monday, January 22, 2007 2:10
PM
Subject: [daltonlathes] dalton
6
Hi, i own 'Dalton Six' lathe that i'm thinking of parting with. Anybody
in this group interested? I would really like to trade it for a combo
machine. Its a great machine, but my interests lie more in restoring
bikes than tools! Located in Ramsey, N.J.
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motorcycle?
From: "Ed stoller"
Reply-To: daltonlathes@...
To:
Subject: Re: [daltonlathes] dalton 6
Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 21:33:43 -0500
Hi,
I have an old bike that needs a home. It has a British 3 speed.
?
Ed Stoller
New Fairfield, CT
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Sent: Monday, January 22, 2007 2:10 PM
Subject: [daltonlathes] dalton 6
Hi, i own 'Dalton Six' lathe that i'm thinking of parting with. Anybody
in this group interested? I would really like to trade it for a combo
machine. Its a great machine, but my interests lie more in restoring
bikes than tools! Located in Ramsey, N.J.
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Hi,
I have an old bike that needs a home.
It has a British 3 speed.
?
Ed Stoller
New Fairfield, CT
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Subject: [daltonlathes] dalton 6
Hi, i own 'Dalton Six' lathe that i'm thinking of parting with. Anybody
in this group interested? I would really like to trade it for a combo
machine. Its a great machine, but my interests lie more in restoring
bikes than tools! Located in Ramsey, N.J.
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Hi, i own 'Dalton Six' lathe that i'm thinking of parting with. Anybody
in this group interested? I would really like to trade it for a combo
machine. Its a great machine, but my interests lie more in restoring
bikes than tools! Located in Ramsey, N.J.
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Dalton steady rest on eBay
Hi all
There is a B-4 Dalton steady rest up for bid on eBay. Unfortunately
it has been modified to fit on a 6 inch Atlas lathe. They machined
off the base and eliminated the V groove lowering it down to a 6 inch
center hight. Buggers. It can be repaired and used again on a Dalton
if you would like an original one.
Dennis Turk
Item number 290073916089
Link to auction
ViewItem&rd=1&item=290073916089&ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:IT&ih=019
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Re: Need a gib... Anybody have one?
Hi Tim
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If all ells fails send me your slide assembly and I
will make one up.? I have the special 120 degree cutter it takes to put the
angle on the gib.
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Turk
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Subject: [daltonlathes] Need a gib...
Anybody have one?
Ok, I've had exactly zero luck finding something I can replace the gib
in my top slide with. I'm going to run it by my neighbor tomorrow as
he has a mill, but it might be a little too small to handle with his
gear, and I don't know what tolerance I really need him to pull off...
So, does anyone have a top slide gib they're willing to part with for
a Lot 3? I think I could use the cross slide gib too, and just cut it
shorter, but haven't confirmed that...
I've got change gears
bubbling away nicely in my electrolysis tank
now, so they should come out
nice and clean in another day or so... If
that works out well, then there
are a few other parts that will be
getting the bath... Talk about better
living through chemistry... I'll
take sitting around and watching bubbles
for a few days over chemical
strippers, wire wheels, and abrasives any
day...
Cheers!
-Tim
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Need a gib... Anybody have one?
Ok, I've had exactly zero luck finding something I can replace the gib
in my top slide with. I'm going to run it by my neighbor tomorrow as
he has a mill, but it might be a little too small to handle with his
gear, and I don't know what tolerance I really need him to pull off...
So, does anyone have a top slide gib they're willing to part with for
a Lot 3? I think I could use the cross slide gib too, and just cut it
shorter, but haven't confirmed that...
I've got change gears bubbling away nicely in my electrolysis tank
now, so they should come out nice and clean in another day or so... If
that works out well, then there are a few other parts that will be
getting the bath... Talk about better living through chemistry... I'll
take sitting around and watching bubbles for a few days over chemical
strippers, wire wheels, and abrasives any day...
Cheers!
-Tim
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Hi all
Just note about a Lot 3 that just came up for bid on English eBay. I
have emailed the seller with additional information and also
requesting the serial number and winning bidders name. Here is the
item number but you do not have to go to the English eBay site you can
just plug it in and it will take you there.
260076015993
Turk
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Tim,
I purchased a belt from Baltimore Belting for my drill press -
I actually went with a composite belt rather than leather. It was
much, much cheaper and doesn't stretch as much, but it isn't as
original. The gentleman I spoke with recommended the type of belt
based on my machine type and age. He was very helpful. All said and
done, it was less than $25 for a 4' belt and shipping.
Good luck getting things up and running. I'm going to be starting
work on mine soon as well.
Wes
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A couple of good links came across the antique engine club today that may interest someone.
Ed Stoller
New Fairfield, CT
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Hello Tim,
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On the flat belt, my working lathe is a
104 year old Seneca Falls Star that my dad got for a trade school. He was a
carpenter and made his flat belt from a mans belt, fathered the ends and glued
them together. It looked like it was going to brake at any time so I wanted to
replace it. I am into antique engines and there is usually a vender at major
shows who installs the clip on the belt for a chunk of cat gut as a hinge pin. I
think 'Star Bolt" ?? sells them also, but?I would have to research
that.
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When I made mine, I spent a lot of time
trying to get the length just right. I had the leather and marked it. When the
vender made it , it was a little too tight, so I left the tension on it for a
week and it stretched out perfect. I always take the tension off the belt and
unplug my lathe when I am done.
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Ed Stoller
New Fairfield, CT
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Up
Ok, I got a few pictures of the lathe and parts up in the photos
area.
I've got more, but no need to clutter up space yet.
So what have I
discovered so far?.. Well someone had all the
adjustments cranked on the
dovetail ways, and the bed. I don't think
there was any major wear as a
result as the machine just hasn't seem
much use in a long time... I backed
off things until there was no
play, but things seem to move more like they
should... I've got a
pretty good handle on any rust, and there isn't any
major pitting
anyplace that matters...
My one major hang up to
being able to just use the machine (and
that's really what I need
currently) is the pressure plate in the
dovetail of the top slide that
someone bent badly. You can see it in
the second picture... Anyone have
one from a beater lathe they would
part with, or have an idea where to
source one?
Next question is, is anyone running the flat belts that
have a splice
point? The way this one was setup before, it looks like
someone just
took an old belt, and wired it together with copper wire...
Not
exactly elegant, but I guess it worked... I could pull the spindle
and slide an endless on, but I'd prefer to let that sleeping dog lie
as everything seems good there... The counter shaft would have to
come
apart as well, so I'm leaning toward the metal splice linkage,
unless
someone tells me its going to destroy the lathe...
As for the
countershaft, from the little bit of looking around I've
done, I'm leaning
toward it being a South Bend, but that's mostly a
guess based on some
similarities with a couple others I've
seen...
Cheers!
-Tim
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Ok, I got a few pictures of the lathe and parts up in the photos
area. I've got more, but no need to clutter up space yet.
So what have I discovered so far?.. Well someone had all the
adjustments cranked on the dovetail ways, and the bed. I don't think
there was any major wear as a result as the machine just hasn't seem
much use in a long time... I backed off things until there was no
play, but things seem to move more like they should... I've got a
pretty good handle on any rust, and there isn't any major pitting
anyplace that matters...
My one major hang up to being able to just use the machine (and
that's really what I need currently) is the pressure plate in the
dovetail of the top slide that someone bent badly. You can see it in
the second picture... Anyone have one from a beater lathe they would
part with, or have an idea where to source one?
Next question is, is anyone running the flat belts that have a splice
point? The way this one was setup before, it looks like someone just
took an old belt, and wired it together with copper wire... Not
exactly elegant, but I guess it worked... I could pull the spindle
and slide an endless on, but I'd prefer to let that sleeping dog lie
as everything seems good there... The counter shaft would have to
come apart as well, so I'm leaning toward the metal splice linkage,
unless someone tells me its going to destroy the lathe...
As for the countershaft, from the little bit of looking around I've
done, I'm leaning toward it being a South Bend, but that's mostly a
guess based on some similarities with a couple others I've seen...
Cheers!
-Tim
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Re: Greetings from a new Dalton owner.
Sorry about the name, I thought I had it set up to automatically sign at the bottom... I must be thinking of Practical Machinist that I also just jumped on... No auto sigs here I guess... Name is Tim... I'll try to remember to sign the posts, though, for many years, people have been calling me Toolslinger in reality too, so that's fine too... Thanks for the gear details. Nice to see they're still available. The screw had a 108 on it when I got it, so I pulled that, so at least I can put the cover over the gearing and avoid getting sucked in there if I run the screw during testing... Annoyingly, I just found a mangled pressure plate in the top slide... Looks something like a hockey stick at this point... That'll be a headache I suspect... It does at least explain why is was so tight, and seemed to have limited travel... Camera is currently in my office, while I'm in my house, so photos are on hold until I get it here... Thanks, -Tim
HAY TOOL SLINGER YOU GOT A NAME OR DO WE JUST CALL YOU HAY
YOU?????????"-))))))
The gears on a Dalton are 20 pitch 14 1/2 degree pitch angle and
any you cant find they are available from Boston gear. Your right as a 96 tooth is the normal slow feed gear for the lead screw. You can fit a 100 under the cover or end door but that is about it.
Now you need get or use your digital camera and start filling us
all in on what your lathe looks like and especially the countershaft.
The counter shaft speed should run at 250 RPM this was a standard
for line shaft drives. You can go a little faster but be careful as the old babbit bearings dont like to be rubbed on to much.
Dennis Turk
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Ed Stoller