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Ossie wrote: There have been other times, when there have been a shift (has not happened often) but when it does, I can sense that a lesson of forgivness was learned and I was ready to accept it. So someone is doing their homework :-) I just had to share with this wonderful group that I'm on another spiritual enlightenment group list, and they recently shared that they were creating a bumper sticker (simiilar to one of my faves). Are you ready? It reads: SHIFT happens! Gotta love it... Sheila Namast: I honor in you the divinity that I honor within myself and I know we are one. From: BBFBBN@... Reply-To: Disappearance_of_the_Universe@... To: Disappearance_of_the_Universe@... Subject: Re: [Disappearance_of_the_Universe] Reincarnation Instant Breakfast Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 02:09:16 EDT Hello garyrrenard@..., In reference to your comment: I'd like to hear any experiences you may have had in this area, whether in remembering past lives or what your thoughts are on this subject. Love and peace, Gary. I get the deja vu experiences. Sometimes they are so strong ... Now as a Course student, however, I just see it now as a bleeding ... in the illusion of time. When al the possbilties of that moment kind of overlap each other ... The message I get is that I have done this before .. maybe this time I will get it right There have been other times, when there have been a shift (has not happened often) but when it does, I can sense that a lesson of forgivness was learned and I was ready to accept it. So someone is doing their homework :-) Peace Ossie _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail

I had said: >>So now I feel ready to be led out of the dream. :-) << Make that: "experience the Holy Spirit's happy dream." Peace Martha :-)

I was driving to work toady and remembered to turn this day over to the Holy Spirit. A few minutes later my mind remembered a ramp that was built for my son who was in a wheelchair Then my mind switched to the emergency room table where I could see his body (he had just died) Then my eyes starting welling up with tears. Then it hit me .. wow, as soon as I asked the Holy Spirit to take over those thoughts came to mind. And I reacted to those thoughts so quickly, like remote. Then I remembered to Forgive. Wheewww .. this Forgiveness work is definitely a full time job :-) Peace

Still reading and assimilating the book. Saving most questions and comments for when I am done and have started re-reading it. In the meantime though... There is a young woman that I have seen in a Course group I have mostly not been attending for a few years, but I do see her once in awhile. She e-mailed me a couple of weeks ago telling me that she was having very bad problems with her boyfriend of 5 years and was wondering if she could stay at my house for awhile. She had called for help for phone via voicemail about a month ago but had later said she found some relief through talking with a national ACIM leader. Turned out the help was only temporary, because he just said to forgive but didn't help find out how through examples, etc. in her life or in his, etc. Just forgive. She has since been undergoing counselling, too, with her boyfriend with a church (ACIM type) minister, but the minister had gotten emotionally involved and could not counsel them anymore. Anyway, she has been staying here with me in Indianapolis for about a week and been on a roller coaster. We have had some good talks - and I have been helped in talking with her, too, thanks to the refresher course I've been reading that is The Disappearance of the Universe. In fact, it might be that this morning we had a turning point as I helped her realize that she wasn't upset for the reason she thought. She is off meeting with him now, and we'll see. He is a Course student, too, so they are both trying to use it. What I wanted to tell you, though, (my point ) is that last night she was really so angry and upset that she was even somewhat violent. But I had printed out for her TRUE FORGIVENESS - A Thought Process Example and offered it to her saying that it could be useful anytime she might be in an ego snit and needed help out of it. She had left it on the table, so I didn't know if she ever would take it. This morning she reported that she had woken up feeling bad and had taken the printout, applied it, and that it had helped her very much. Because of reading it, she had come out of the ego frame of mind and felt much better and was able to go to sleep. She had woken up feeling good, too, which was great, because meantime I had been given? an idea of what I thought might be the true crux of their problem. I could never have talked with her about it if she were still in the ego state of the night before. And it is all perfect timing, because if the talk with him works out this morning she is going to go forward with another action that she had been feeling too unforgiving to do. She and her boyfriend will go visit his father in Tennesee - who is really wanting to help them make it. It is a trip her boyfriend really hoped she would make. I don't know if all this will come about. I only know right now that she is in a better state because of this example that is on page 256. It is forgiveness in a nutshell. Thank you Arten and Pursah, and thank you Gary. Linda Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month!

Hello cowdoc@..., In reference to your comment: è Please remove me from your mailing list.. Thanks very è much.Peace out. You have to unsubcribe yourself. No one else can do that

Usually I lurk on groups but I’d like to try to be at least a little active with this one. I’m impressed with Gary’s clear interest and participation. I read a lot and don’t often read books twice….ever…..much less back to back. However I find myself rereading Disappearance (with a highlighter and two pens). I really don’t remember the last time something hit me this hard. It’s actually difficult to describe it’s impact so far. I bought a copy of ACIM probably about 10 years ago. It had a pull on me but sat on my bookshelf most of that time. I don’t think I would have ever taken a closer look without reading Disappearance (which I am hard pressed to explain finding in the first place and actually reading). I was a Philosophy and Religion major in college, during the wonderful years in the first half of the ‘70s. I read Norman O. Brown and Castaneda; Plato and Ram Dass; Kerouac, Kesey, and Kafka. I’ve sat in Zendos; had satsang with gurus; tried (and tried and tried and tried) to reconcile with the spiritual tradition into which I was born. And I’m still searching. Disappearance feels very different… something deep inside seems to have answered back. I’m a 50 year old clinical social worker. I work in a state psychiatric hospital by day and do psychotherapy in private practice in the evenings. Yesterday was my 24th wedding anniversary. We named our daughter after our first yoga teacher and our son after my favorite rock star. What I hoping for most in this group are ideas on practicing, both formally and, more importantly, in day to day examples of living the Course. I will be most easily seduced into lively metaphysical discussions and most likely bored to tears with (excessive) swapping of quotes (from any source). I’m always interested in anything that augments, supplements, enhances the ideas which have drawn us here. For example Gary’s mentioning Elaine Pagel’s Beyond Belief: The Secret Gospel of Thomas. I wonder if anyone here thinks some of the other non-dualists have worthwhile contributions to this practice (Nisargadatta comes to mind for example). It’s late and I need to rest. I look forward to further discussions. Jim

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For anyone unfamiliar with "The Gospel of Thomas" I wanted to point out a couple of things. First, "Thomas" is a Sayings Gospel, which means it is not a bunch of stories about Jesus that were written by Thomas, it's a list of Sayings that were actually spoken by Jesus. That's why I said before that the Voice of Thomas and the Voice of the Course were one and the same. Second, Pursah said that about 70 of the 114 Sayings in the surviving copy of "Thomas" were authentic. She then went on to explain about 20 of them on pages 74-82 of "Disappearance." The only surviving copy of "The Gospel of Thomas" was re-discovered in 1945 in Egypt. (About a year and a half before the Dead Sea Scrolls began to be re-discovered at Qumran.) It is not the original version, which was probably written in Aramaic, (some scholars may say Hebrew rather than Aramaic) but it is an expanded, Coptic language (a combination of Greek and Egyptian) version. If Pursah is right and about 44 of the Sayings were added on later, then some people may teach Sayings from the Gospel thinking they were spoken by Jesus when they actually were not. Pursah explained that you had to take into consideration 300 years of Egyptian culture and Gnostic philosophy to account for the Sayings that were added on by others. Love and peace, Gary.

Dear Gary and All, I have a story that I'm living, and want to share tonight, and update you by Friday. I have to go for a deposition tomorrow regarding a lawsuit against me and my car insurance company, to the tune of $52,000. I have not recognized this as a big deal at all, simply because of the circumstance that caused it. I just cannot wait to figure out what I am to learn from this one! I was travelling in dead stop/creeping traffic on the interstate when my little Geo's bumper touched the bumper in front of me. The lady driving in front of me looked thru her rear view and waved at me, and I waved back. We knew it was no big deal. Then out of the blue comes this big, raging guy from BEHIND me who was none other than her husband (ie, they were travelling separately, wife in front, husband behind me). I rolled down my window, only to witness him rage at me for "riding her A--" and threatening me, etc. I simply stated, "Mister, it's why God made bumpers. No one is hurt and it was only a bump!" He went off, and I raised my window, with my insides fast turning to jello!!! He went to speak with his wife, then came BACK to my car window, which I cracked, and he raged more, stating that she'd hurt her neck, etc. This was May 27, 2002, by the way, day before Memorial Day over a year ago. We crept on, and they pulled over, so I decided to check on her. She would not give me eye contact, and said her neck hurt too badly to see if there was any damage to the car. But if I would just give them my insurance card numbers, they'd go on. I replied that I would share nothing with them without a police by my side. They suggested we all go to the exit, where there was an accident, and see the police. I determined to go one exit further and dialed 911 while I was at it, to report this raging man over this minor incident. Within 5 minutes I had a police escort me back to the previous exit and a police officer said that it was a good thing I'd called, cos they were coming after me as a "hit and run." However, he thought that it could all be dropped as there was obviously no car damage, and some people just "lose their temper." I am still in shock today, as I was then, that this whole thing is happening. But I'm guessing I'm to see my lesson of forgiveness for the man who raged, the woman who I sincerely believe lied, and for the inconvenience of the entire series of events. I am also learning that I have been praying for that family since May 27, 2002, and have not stopped. I pray for their highest good. I pray that if their financial need is so great that, perhaps, the attornies will, in fact, find SOMEthing about my choices that day that cause $52,000 to go to that family. I however, stand innocent and without guilt about the incident (other than the fact that I DID bump her from behind). Otherwise, I am choosing to breathe SLOWLY and to seek the Holy Spirit in this and all situations in my life and theirs. I am willing to see this differently. I am willing to learn forgiveness. I am willing to see my part in this. I am willing... Thank you for listening...stay tuned for Deposition UPDATE, same time, same station (as we're all in the moment, it IS the same time/station, isn't it???) PS The attorney assigned to me by my insurance company is wonderful. I know he will do well, and I know I will speak my truth. Not sure what else matters, do you??? Sheila Namast: I honor in you the divinity that I honor within myself and I know we are one. _________________________________________________________________ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail

Hello lklanglois@..., In reference to your comment: è I also agree about excessive swapping of quotes being è boring. My Ego says the same thing. :-) What I liked about Gary's book was that there were a lot of quotes also, but it was the way the quotes were set up and presented ... they had a unique style I have noticed if I don't see quotes after a while, I get suspicious LOL So I am heavily depended on those folks who know how to look up stuff and copy and paste .. you know do all the hard work. :-) I was watching myself as another day comes to an end and I went a another useless mindless ego attack ... with all the strings attached. Last night I saw that my bank balance was not enough to cover my checks ... so I worried about it .. could not sleep .. tossed and turn asking myself why I do this to myself .. need to get a grip on to things Well in the morning I took care of it. Then was mift at myself because had to leave my home 2 hours earlier to take care of it. So I knew I was not going to feel so hot at work. Managed to get through day, but at the end saw a new telephone list from my job. I looked for my new number and I was #30 and saw myself getting worked up because I was there at the firm a lot longer than the other folks and I am on the bottom. Thinking to myself why am I even here? I have been at this place all these years and I feel like I am at the bottom. On Monday of this week four partners (one "name" partner of 24 years) left the firm ... just left leaving a email saying goodbye. So the whole place is in a state of shock. The only good thing is that one of the secretarys who I don't connect with very well is leaving ... (unresolved family issues and I projected a lot of my sister stuff on her ... they are so much alike .... uggggg) Before I went home I did my usual stop at the ladies room, and had another epiphany. I always get the most profound thought (or clarity) in the bathroom or driving (and I don't drive much) The idea in the Course about letting our minds wonder .. not being vigilant enough, and I said oh my, I let the dawgs out again ... and I always seemed suprised when they bring back to me exactly what I told them to bring. The same script, abandonment, fear, victim, , jealousy, the desire to kill, and my favorite .. "oh woe is me" script. I suddenly felt very tired. So I decided to eat a box of Popeye chicken ... maybe if I stuff myself I won't feel anything else. But other than that it is a good day ... Because I am watching it (as much as I can bear to watch) Because I am choosing not to feel guilty because I am not choosing peace at the moment. I know why I feel miserable. One thing for sure, this ego stuff is exhausting. I see why the Course says that eventually we will get tired. Right now I feel very tired. Watching the movie called 28 Days .. and the guy said .. Man this is not the way to live ... this is a way to die. Peace

Linda writes: >>I think it would be best for me if I share with others forgiveness stories that are current. I also agree about excessive >>swapping of quotes being boring. The emphasis is, of course, on “excessive” which I would loosely define as “That which substitutes for original thinking instead of illuminating an original thought”. There’s nothing meaningful that someone sharing from their day to day experiences directly. >>Although I don't think the answer is as full, I have gotten some support from reading Nisargadatta Maharaj, >>Ramana Maharshi and Nisargadatta's student, Ramesh Balsekar. Currently now, though, thanks to reading >>Disappearance, I am going back to the Course to study it more deeply rather than dabbling with these others. Without Disappearance my 1st edition copy of the Course would still be gathering dust on a bookshelf. Actually it is still gathering dust: I quickly got frustrated looking up footnotes which are referenced to the 2nd edition so I ordered a hardback copy from the Foundation (I anticipate giving it a workout). An important idea here seems to be to somehow have a radically different EXPERIENCE (what Zen refers to as “direct knowing”. This always made a lot of sense to me and I have always intuited it as something that tended to be missing in traditional Christianity. I was raised Presbyterian with a number of somewhat bizarre (in my opinion) principles, not the least of which was the central notion that all that was required was that one believe certain ideas (which in themselves were extremely problematic to me even as a child). I’ve explored a number of ways to have different experiences and I’m still looking to find the experience which is different enough to make a difference. Something in Disappearance has raised a powerful hope, but I still hold a lot of doubt (and probably a lot of other unconscious chaos) that simply reading the Text and following the Workbook will result in an experience powerful enough to bring about a non-dualistic state of being. As a result I have a tendency to look around for alternative sources to augment anything I’m exploring. It’s hard to trust just one source when so many sources are available. I WANT to; It’s just hard. I also have a pronounced tendency to want my spiritual instruction to be clear, detailed, specific to me, and authoritative. Someone once asked what I was looking for and I responded without hesitation “A burning bush” (which met these criteria for Moses!). Visits from ascended masters would work too! Perhaps these are issues of faith. Namaste, Jim

Jon Mundy and I are going to be appearing together to conduct two one day Workshops, the first on Sat. Oct. 11 and the second on Sun. Oct. 12. The Saturday Workshop will be at the Unitarian Church in Rock Tavern, N.Y. (near Newburgh) from 10-6 (two three hour sessions with a two hour lunch break.) Then on Sunday it's off to the big city as we'll be appearing at the National Institute for Psychotherapy at Columbus Circle, in the center of Manhatten (same hours). Space is limited and we're keeping the price low. I'll be announcing further details after I talk to Jon again next week. Stay tuned for more info and how to register. Love and peace, Gary.

Thank you, Gene...I feel very supported by you and all of this wonderful group! It's all a journey, isn't it??? But here's another bone-headed situation that I caused today, and my daughter was completely aghast while I was taking responsibility for it (please note that Id called on the Holy Spirit today to assist me in seeing my life as Spirit would have me see it. Otherwise, I cant imagine how Id have handled ANY of this!) I was just getting onto the Interstate, off the ramp, and you know how those lanes end eventually, and the lines get closer together until there is no lane left? Well, I realized it a little late while a pokey driver in front of me was not moving my speed (still under the limit, but I was creeping up on him a little too fast...when I decided to move on down that lane, not realizing the lane was going to end. So I ended up passing him from the LEFT, and moving on out. He blew his horn long and hard, and I said, "Oh I just realized what I did, and I blew it. So sorry mister!" But of course, he couldn't hear me, and he drove up to my left and yelled and flaled his arms all over the place, and I attempted to gesture with my shoulders up and my palms straight up that I didn't realize what had happened. And he slows down, with paper and pen in hand to "study" the front of my car. My daughter Sarah (age 14) asked "NOW what's he doing?" And I said, probably taking down the description, make and model of our car. He may have already gotten the license tag, and someone from highway patrol could easily call on me in the next few days about all this." She said, "But you didn't DO anything!" And I said, YES, I did! I passed him on the left , and just as the lane was ending, too. That was against the law. He got really mad. So mad that he's going to show me and try to possibly have me ticketed for it. So if they call, I'll say, Yes, I remember that situation, and yes, I was at fault. I passed him on the left. " And Sarah said, "But that's rediculous! Why does he even care?" And I said, "Well, I COULD have put his life in danger, but I DID make sure I didn't, as I got over into the shoulder while I passed. And it's okay that he's mad. He chooses his own response, and I choose my own response." And I loved this next question from Sarah, "Well, would YOU get that mad at someone who did that?" And I said, well, today with as little sleep as Ive had lately, I MIGHT get mad, but I'd get over it. And I know I'd blow the horn whether I was mad or not just to alert them to what they were doing. But I don't think I'd call the police after them. She then said, "Well I hope he doesn't. You don't deserve it." And I said, YES I DO! I was wrong about passing him from the left, especially when the lane was ending. f I hadn't been right on his tail, I wouldn't have had to make a snap decision like speeding up and around him. I should have slowed down and let him go first and then get into an actual LANE! Its okay, though. He chose his responses, and Im choosing mine. Ill pray for his highest good and for mine and let it go. The conversation that followed just blew me away, as it was just intense and incredible, as Sarah then asked, Well, I dont see how you respond to Dad so calmly when HEs the one whos always mad when YOU never did anything wrong! I had to take a DEEP breath on this one. I said, Well, Im choosing my reactions, and have no control over his. But if and when someone points out something to me that I could improve on, I think its important that I admit it and go on. I dont always respond calmly and with such zeal, but it was evidently synchronistic that I read Garys responses to Karen in the book in Chapter 6 where I was recently reminded of the egos reality and loves reality. More on the illusion of this marriage Im dreaming a little later! Ive rambled enough! Good night, all! Sheila Namast: I honor in you the divinity that I honor within myself and I know we are one. _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=fe

Hello, All... Just needed to ask your support...as I am sleep deprived and responding as best I can...landed my plane after a lonnnng series of flights...and no luggage. Must be in the script, huh? Only...I JUST NOW remembered that....they had found one and not the other...and ONLY when I completely surrendered to the Holy Spirit and admitted I could definitely live without ANY of that; it'd just be a huge inconvenience...did they call and say it had been located. Letting go works... Sheila Namast: I honor in you the divinity that I honor within myself and I know we are one. _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963

Diana wrote: So today I join this group and look at the list of recent messages here and am drawn to this one due to its subject line. It's the first post I read (and the only one so far). Lo and behold, you mention both the new books I've just bought ...and also turn out to be the author of the one that I've ordered. Guess its time for me to delve into Thomas, huh? I guess so, Diana; no accidents around here. Delve away, and welcome. I'd be interested in eventually hearing your comments or observations about these books. Love and peace, Gary.

I've never read any of Elaine Pagels books. (For those who don't know, she is a Ph.D. from Harvard and Professor of Philosophy at Princeton, and author of a couple of famous books, including "The Gnostic Gospels" and her new best seller, "Beyond Belief: The Secret Gospel of Thomas.") As you know, Thomas is a subject that's near and dear to my heart (LOL) so when Elaine was interviewed on National Public Radio a couple of weeks ago, I listened with great interest. The first thing I noticed was that she seemed to be confirming, albeit in a more scholarly fashion, the things that Pursah said about Thomas and the church in "Disappearance." It reminded me of what Pursah half seriously said on P.81, "I told you they snubbed me." I think Elaine made a good case for the Jesus of The Gospel of Thomas being much closer to the historical Jesus, who was the most highly advanced wisdom teacher and was leading people to the Kingdom of God through an internal process, while the later written Gospels, especially The Gospel of John, (which may have been written as long as 70 years after the first version of Thomas) portrayed Jesus as God's only Son who came to die for our sins in a sacrificial act of Atonement, which is a concept totally alien to Thomas. I also think it's interesting that there has been a marked increase in interest lately in The Gospel of Thomas as well as Thomas himself. Surely my visitors knew this would happen, and it will be interesting to watch how "Disappearance" takes its place in the grand scheme of things. (BTW, I have also been told that one of the themes of the new and very popular novel, "The DaVinci Code" has to do with Jesus' marriage to Mary Magdalene, a subject that my teachers also touched upon.) It's fascinating to me that my book came out just before these two. I think perhaps Elaine's most important contribution is that she emphasizes in a highly credible way that Jesus was not about Christianity's made up set of beliefs, but about the seeking of spiritual experience that would lead one to God. I also hope that my book demonstrates, through Arten and Pursah's many statements, including Pursah's explanation of about 20 of the sayings in The Gospel of Thomas, which she then uses to move into the teachngs of the Course, that the Voice of that Gospel and the Voice of A Course in Miracles are indeed one and the same: the Voice of the historical Jesus. Love and peace, Gary.

LOL! I needed this laugh, Diana! How hilarious! And yes, I think I might have bought it! Otherwise, it might have bought ME! Gotta love it... Sheila Namast: I honor in you the divinity that I honor within myself and I know we are one. _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail

Greetings All, I will be forever grateful to Gary and his Ascended Masters for assisting me in my understanding of the Course. I am a member of two Course groups and my enthusiasm for their book has led both groups to get a copy of "Disappearence..." for the group. After finding out about the book from another internet group and going to the Fearless web site and reading Gary's interview about the book, I immediately ordered the book. I devoured it and took it to my two Course groups. I have not gotten anybody to read it yet, but the one group has not gotten their copy yet and the other group just got their copy. The best thing about this book for me is the insight that it gives me into the Course. The book also is a validation of the message of the Course. Even if I did not believe that these visitors are who they say they are, the book would still have value in how it looks at and helps explain the Course. I am now delighted that this group has been established. I found out about it yesterday and I just finishing reading all of the messages that have been posted so far. I really value the fact that Gary has taken such an active role in the group and I look forward to his continued insights. Again I am happy to have found this group and look forward to following the members and their ideas.

Hi friends. I'm in the middle of a few things right now, but I just wanted to welcome Jamie and thank you for your posting. I can't describe how it makes me feel to see everything that's happening with the book. I also thank you Martha, for your explanations of exactly what "What It Says" is, and for your many other postings, both here and elsewhere. I've found your observations to be on as high a level as any of the Course teachers, and I have a feeling this will continue in many forms. Love and peace to all, Gary.