Hi Richard,
Thanks for the info. You brought up some interesting points. I
have a Celestron 6.3 f/r and an Optec 3.3 and am curious if they will
perform OK on the C14. They are both made for 1.25 eyepieces, I
wonder if there's a 2" equivelent? My CCD camera is an ST-237A
with color filter wheel, purchased for Fastar imaging on my C8, it
should perform well on the C14 as a Fastar setup. I also have an STV
that I'll use for autoguiding. I suppose I'll eventually get an ST-8
with a filter wheel also, although there are now many fine amatuer
CCD cameras available. The rollong roof building I use has three of
us setup, my partners use an FLI back-illuminated CCD and a Appogee,
so I can try those out easily. I've purchased an AP900 GoTo mount
for the C14, having been warned by many that the CI-700 and Losmandy
G11 were not adequate. I'm a bit concerned about the AP900 but
decided that I can't afford the AP1200 or Paramount ME. By now, my
vast reserves of excess money have been frivolously consummed, so it
will be a while before any major new purchase occurs.

Regards,
Gary



--- In C14@y..., "Richard Crisp" <rdcrisp@e...> wrote:

Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2001 09:43:24 -0500
From: "Gary Burk" <garyburk@h...>
Subject: New C14 owner

Greetings all,
I'm the new owner of a C14 with Fastar, purchased via

Astromart from a

member of this group. I share a three telescope roll-off roof

building in

central Ohio and presantly have a pier mounted 8" SCT there. The

other two

scopes are 15" and 18" Obsessions.
While waiting impatiently for the C14 to arrive, I'm trying to

learn as

much about it as I can. Although I expect it to be mainly used

for CCD

imaging, I will want to look through it and will need appropriate

eypieces.

For the CCD side, you need to understand that unless you use

Fastar, you

will be imaging at very long focal lengths.

with the F/6.3 focal reducer (actually reduces the C14's nominal

f/11 to

f/7, you will still be running a 2488mm focal length. You did not

say which

CCD camera you use, but that is a comparatively narrow field of

view. But

running at f/7 or f/11 is great for smaller objects such as M27,

M57, M82,

Stephan's Quintet and so on.

The trick you will find at the longer focal lengths is the mount.

With the

CI 700 Mount you may be in for a frustrating experience if yours is

like

mine and others that I know that own the CI700 and try to image

with it.

You may want to see the difference in mounts comparing the CI700 to

the

ASP1200GTO.

So, my first question relates to this. What are the favorite

eyepieces for

this 3910mm fl beast? I usually use a 19mm Panoptic with the 8"

(2032mm),

that will be rather short for the 14", and is a 1.25" barrel

optic. Is

the

TV 55mm worth the cost in your opinion?

I like my 31mm Nagler, my 22 and 17 and 12mm naglers and my 4mm

radian (for

jupiter!).

The 35panoptic is also a good second choice to the 31mm nagler.

For CCD work, I use a Van Slyke Versa Port Slider and a 2"

extension tube to

hold a Parks 50mm Plossl that works parfocal with my ST7E/CFW8

camera

hanging on the other port.

Another area of concern is mirror flop. There must be many

different

ways to reduce or eliminate this on the C14, are there references

and/or

You can buy a crayford focuser and that will solve the problem. I

have

gotten used to my flop and find it actually useful when imaging

because it

indicates I have reversed directions of the focuser motor just as

another

reminder....

favorites? Is there an engineering drawing or exploded image of

the C14

available someplace?

Thanks for your help.

Regards,
Gary Burk



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Thanks Bruce,
I think the 55mm will be the first ep I order.

Regards,
Gary


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Hi Gary,

I enjoy my TV 55 a bunch... other fav's with that scope are the Pan
35 and Nag 20.

Have fun!

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--- In C14@y..., "Gary Burk" <garyburk@h...> wrote:

Greetings all,
I'm the new owner of a C14 with Fastar, purchased via

Astromart

from a

member of this group. I share a three telescope roll-off roof

building in

central Ohio and presantly have a pier mounted 8" SCT there. The

other two

scopes are 15" and 18" Obsessions.
While waiting impatiently for the C14 to arrive, I'm trying to

learn as

much about it as I can. Although I expect it to be mainly used

for

CCD

imaging, I will want to look through it and will need appropriate

eypieces.

So, my first question relates to this. What are the favorite

eyepieces for

this 3910mm fl beast? I usually use a 19mm Panoptic with the 8"

(2032mm),

that will be rather short for the 14", and is a 1.25" barrel

optic. Is the

TV 55mm worth the cost in your opinion?

Another area of concern is mirror flop. There must be many

different

ways to reduce or eliminate this on the C14, are there references

and/or

favorites? Is there an engineering drawing or exploded image of

the C14

available someplace?

Thanks for your help.

Regards,
Gary Burk



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Hi Gary,

I enjoy my TV 55 a bunch... other fav's with that scope are the Pan
35 and Nag 20.

Have fun!

Bruce Ellis
www.nee-bee.com




--- In C14@y..., "Gary Burk" <garyburk@h...> wrote:

Greetings all,
I'm the new owner of a C14 with Fastar, purchased via Astromart

from a

member of this group. I share a three telescope roll-off roof

building in

central Ohio and presantly have a pier mounted 8" SCT there. The

other two

scopes are 15" and 18" Obsessions.
While waiting impatiently for the C14 to arrive, I'm trying to

learn as

much about it as I can. Although I expect it to be mainly used for

CCD

imaging, I will want to look through it and will need appropriate

eypieces.

So, my first question relates to this. What are the favorite

eyepieces for

this 3910mm fl beast? I usually use a 19mm Panoptic with the 8"

(2032mm),

that will be rather short for the 14", and is a 1.25" barrel

optic. Is the

TV 55mm worth the cost in your opinion?

Another area of concern is mirror flop. There must be many

different

ways to reduce or eliminate this on the C14, are there references

and/or

favorites? Is there an engineering drawing or exploded image of

the C14

available someplace?

Thanks for your help.

Regards,
Gary Burk



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Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2001 09:43:24 -0500
From: "Gary Burk" <garyburk@...>
Subject: New C14 owner

Greetings all,
I'm the new owner of a C14 with Fastar, purchased via Astromart from a
member of this group. I share a three telescope roll-off roof building in
central Ohio and presantly have a pier mounted 8" SCT there. The other two
scopes are 15" and 18" Obsessions.
While waiting impatiently for the C14 to arrive, I'm trying to learn as
much about it as I can. Although I expect it to be mainly used for CCD
imaging, I will want to look through it and will need appropriate

eypieces.

For the CCD side, you need to understand that unless you use Fastar, you
will be imaging at very long focal lengths.

with the F/6.3 focal reducer (actually reduces the C14's nominal f/11 to
f/7, you will still be running a 2488mm focal length. You did not say which
CCD camera you use, but that is a comparatively narrow field of view. But
running at f/7 or f/11 is great for smaller objects such as M27, M57, M82,
Stephan's Quintet and so on.

The trick you will find at the longer focal lengths is the mount. With the
CI 700 Mount you may be in for a frustrating experience if yours is like
mine and others that I know that own the CI700 and try to image with it.

You may want to see the difference in mounts comparing the CI700 to the
ASP1200GTO.

So, my first question relates to this. What are the favorite eyepieces for
this 3910mm fl beast? I usually use a 19mm Panoptic with the 8" (2032mm),
that will be rather short for the 14", and is a 1.25" barrel optic. Is

the

TV 55mm worth the cost in your opinion?

I like my 31mm Nagler, my 22 and 17 and 12mm naglers and my 4mm radian (for
jupiter!).

The 35panoptic is also a good second choice to the 31mm nagler.

For CCD work, I use a Van Slyke Versa Port Slider and a 2" extension tube to
hold a Parks 50mm Plossl that works parfocal with my ST7E/CFW8 camera
hanging on the other port.

Another area of concern is mirror flop. There must be many different
ways to reduce or eliminate this on the C14, are there references and/or

You can buy a crayford focuser and that will solve the problem. I have
gotten used to my flop and find it actually useful when imaging because it
indicates I have reversed directions of the focuser motor just as another
reminder....

favorites? Is there an engineering drawing or exploded image of the C14
available someplace?

Thanks for your help.

Regards,
Gary Burk



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Greetings all,
I'm the new owner of a C14 with Fastar, purchased via Astromart from a member of this group. I share a three telescope roll-off roof building in central Ohio and presantly have a pier mounted 8" SCT there. The other two scopes are 15" and 18" Obsessions.
While waiting impatiently for the C14 to arrive, I'm trying to learn as much about it as I can. Although I expect it to be mainly used for CCD imaging, I will want to look through it and will need appropriate eypieces. So, my first question relates to this. What are the favorite eyepieces for this 3910mm fl beast? I usually use a 19mm Panoptic with the 8" (2032mm), that will be rather short for the 14", and is a 1.25" barrel optic. Is the TV 55mm worth the cost in your opinion?

Another area of concern is mirror flop. There must be many different ways to reduce or eliminate this on the C14, are there references and/or favorites? Is there an engineering drawing or exploded image of the C14 available someplace?

Thanks for your help.

Regards,
Gary Burk



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I measured mine.

The clear aperture of the lens itself is 40 mm

The aperture of the field lens on my TV 35mm Pan is somewhere between
35-37mm (I can't get the ruler down the spout!!)so there should be no
issue using these in combination. I don't seem to get any shadowing.

BTW I find the 2" diagonal ungainly with this eyepiece so I use an
orion 2" SCT straight visual back. Means you have to get under the
scope for zenith work but it means the eyepiece doesn't unscrew the
vis back!!

Regards John 34 S // C 11

--- In C14@y..., "gentleman_49_2000" <gentleman_49_2000@y...> wrote:

Does anyone know what the clear aperture of the f6.3
reducer/corrector is? I have some very wide field eyepieces and

would

like to know what kind of performance I would get.

Thanks
Bill

Does anyone know what the clear aperture of the f6.3
reducer/corrector is? I have some very wide field eyepieces and would
like to know what kind of performance I would get.

Thanks
Bill

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Emne: [C14] Re: CI-700 Mount

I baulked at a C14. Just too big!!

But I did buy a C11 on a Ci 700

I wish I had the G11 because I think it is an easier to use mount
with the friction clutches; otherwise I don't think there is too much
difference.

I suggest the 11" is as big as I would like to see on this mount. I
thnik Celestron is stretching it with a 14" but you never know. I am
just really touchy about vibration.


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I baulked at a C14. Just too big!!

But I did buy a C11 on a Ci 700

I wish I had the G11 because I think it is an easier to use mount
with the friction clutches; otherwise I don't think there is too much
difference.

I suggest the 11" is as big as I would like to see on this mount. I
thnik Celestron is stretching it with a 14" but you never know. I am
just really touchy about vibration.

Incidentally when you get your s cope make sure it is collimated by
the supplier. Mine had been jolted somewhere between Torrance ans
Sydney and still isn't quite perfcet, though heaps brighter than my
previous C8 which I have sold. ...and that';s why I am now tryuing to
buy a neat little 4" refractor just for those takeout days...

-- In C14@y..., golubosks001@h... wrote:

The C-14 is my dream scope. I may have the opportunity to get a

fork

mounted one in March for a really good price. But, if that falls
through, I will get a new one on an EQ mount probably around
Christmas 02.

My concern it the CI-700 mount. I've considered the Astrophysics

900

GOTO. But, will not be able to afford it. So, I am considering

the

G-11 (with Gemini GOTO) or the CI-700 (GOTO).

I've done my research and have learned a lot about the G-11. But,
finding information on the CI-700 is hard. I've only found one web
page that talks about the mount with a C-14 attached.

If the mounts are similar, other than the eye appeal of a G-11, is
the extra expense worth the price of the G-11 over the CI-700?

I would like for anyone who has used both mounts and perferably has
considerable experience with the Celestron mount to answer.

I plan on using the scope for mostly visual purposes. I will take
snap shots of the moon, sun, and planets through the scope. I may

do

some piggy back (manual guided)in a sheltered location for for
exposures of 10 minutes but, will never get into CCD or really long
exposure photography.

Is it worth buying the scope on the CI-700 mount and waiting until

I

can afford the Astrophysics 900?

Thanks
Ron

I baulked at a C14. Just too big!!

But I did buy a C11 on a Ci 700

I wish I had the G11 because I think it is an easier to use mount
with the friction clutches; otherwise I don't think there is too much
difference.

I suggest the 11" is as big as I would like to see on this mount. I
thnik Celestron is stretching it with a 14" but you never know. I am
just really touchy about vibration.

Incidentally when you get your s cope make sure it is collimated by
the supplier. Mine had been jolted somewhere between Torrance ans
Sydney and still isn't quite perfcet, though heaps brighter than my
previous C8 which I have sold. ...and that';s why I am now tryuing to
buy a neat little 4" refractor just for those takeout days...

-- In C14@y..., golubosks001@h... wrote:

The C-14 is my dream scope. I may have the opportunity to get a

fork

mounted one in March for a really good price. But, if that falls
through, I will get a new one on an EQ mount probably around
Christmas 02.

My concern it the CI-700 mount. I've considered the Astrophysics

900

GOTO. But, will not be able to afford it. So, I am considering

the

G-11 (with Gemini GOTO) or the CI-700 (GOTO).

I've done my research and have learned a lot about the G-11. But,
finding information on the CI-700 is hard. I've only found one web
page that talks about the mount with a C-14 attached.

If the mounts are similar, other than the eye appeal of a G-11, is
the extra expense worth the price of the G-11 over the CI-700?

I would like for anyone who has used both mounts and perferably has
considerable experience with the Celestron mount to answer.

I plan on using the scope for mostly visual purposes. I will take
snap shots of the moon, sun, and planets through the scope. I may

do

some piggy back (manual guided)in a sheltered location for for
exposures of 10 minutes but, will never get into CCD or really long
exposure photography.

Is it worth buying the scope on the CI-700 mount and waiting until

I

can afford the Astrophysics 900?

Thanks
Ron

--- In C14@y..., "astrodanco" <danco@p...> wrote:

--- In C14@y..., sand27921@y... wrote:

Those of us that have the
old c14 with the fork mount would like to be able to have the

goto

features. If anyone has any information i would appreciate....

Take your old OTA, remove it from the fork arms and base, slap a
Losmandy dovetail bar on it, then mount it on your favorite
equatorial mount (be that Losmandy, Bisque Paramount, or
Astrophysics). Yes, a good mount can be much more expensive than

the

C-14 OTA.

- Dan

Dan is right on both points. Ditch that old fork mount and get a real
mount. You might even be able to sell the fork mount. Does it have
GOTO capability or can it be retrofitted? If so, it might make a good
mount for aiming a loop yagi tuned for Hydrogen at 1.4GHz. Thinking
about radio-astronomy....
rdc

--- In C14@y..., sand27921@y... wrote:

Those of us that have the
old c14 with the fork mount would like to be able to have the goto
features. If anyone has any information i would appreciate....

Take your old OTA, remove it from the fork arms and base, slap a
Losmandy dovetail bar on it, then mount it on your favorite
equatorial mount (be that Losmandy, Bisque Paramount, or
Astrophysics). Yes, a good mount can be much more expensive than the
C-14 OTA.

- Dan

Just note that you can buy just the OTA and skip the CI700 mount
entirely.

I am quite happy with the OTA just did not care for the CI700 mount
at all.
rdc

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--- In C14@y..., "Ron and Sally Golubosky" <golubosks001@h...> wrote:

Thanks Kevin. That's about what I hear on the CI-700. My

Astronomy club has a fork mounted C-14 that they have had loaned out
for the past 4 years. They get it back in February and are
considering selling it to a club member (highest sealed bid). If I
don't get it, then I will save and get the C-14 but, am not sure of
which mount. If Celestron has fixed the RA slippage then it's a no
brainer (C-14 GOTO) as I am really only looking for a visual
platform. If they have not fixed the RA slippage then I am looking
at the William Optics GT-One HD mount. Got my fingers crossed on the
clubs scope.

Thanks again

Ron
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Subject: Re: [C14] Glad to be here


Good evening Ron:

Exactly! The slippage is a problem. Also, I can't get unguided

CCD images much beyond 30 seconds with the CI-700, even in Fastar
mode. I was hoping for better performance from the mount.

I have inquired of my dealer if I can trade in the CI-700 for the

NexStar version of the mount.

Clear skies,
Kevin

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To: C14@y...
Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2001 3:38 PM
Subject: Re: [C14] Glad to be here


Kevin

I'm seriously considering getting the C-14 GOTO. Can you tell

me the issues and fixes you've had with the CI-700? I would assume
most have to do with the RA Clutch slipping.

Ron


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Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2001 1:17 AM
Subject: [C14] Glad to be here


Good Morning:

I just discovered this group and am glad to be here. I

purchased my

C-14 (mounted on a CI-700) in March of this year. I

absolutely love

the C-14 although I have had a few issues with the CI-700.

I am very much looking forward to corresponding with group

members.

Clear skies,
Kevin Dixon
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Good Morning:

I just discovered this group and am glad to be here. I purchased my
C-14 (mounted on a CI-700) in March of this year. I absolutely love
the C-14 although I have had a few issues with the CI-700.

I am very much looking forward to corresponding with group members.

Clear skies,
Kevin Dixon
ksbtk@...

At 02:30 PM 11/30/2001, you wrote:

Is the HX916 about the same size as the others? That looks like a
very nice camera for a small amount of money. On the downside it
would be nice if they had a temperature regulator on their cooling
system for those long deep space exposures.
rdc

I believe all of the Starlight cameras use the same diameter body so the HX916 should fit. I'm not sure at what point you'll get vignetting for a camera field that large. FWIW www.astrovid.com advertises the HX916 as being fastar compatible.

Scott

--- In C14@y..., Scott Evans <sevans@i...> wrote:

Richard,

Interesting thoughts. Thanks for the input.

BTW I'm using an Starlight Xpress Mx7-c with my fastar lens. Most

of the

starlight cameras should work with their adapter. They're smaller

and

lighter than the ST-237 so that shouldn't be an issue.

Scott

Well that is great to know about the Starlight Express cameras. I
know they seem to give you a lot of capability for a lot less money
than Brand S....

And for Jupiter shots, nothing beats a one-shot color cam. But it is
good news indeed that the cameras will work in the FASTAR
configurations.

Is the HX916 about the same size as the others? That looks like a
very nice camera for a small amount of money. On the downside it
would be nice if they had a temperature regulator on their cooling
system for those long deep space exposures.
rdc

rdc