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Stings of new Thrall steel coil cars are now showing up in service here in
Sudbury for haulage by Huron Central out of Algoma Steel in Sault Ste.
Marie Ontario.

They are action red and have the new style CP letting in white on the sides
of the covers but no logo. Anyone wishing to see some scans please email
me direct and I will accomodate you.

mailto:regaudie@...

Wayne
Mile 77

Bill Miller wrote:

From: Bill Miller <bmiller@...>

Does everyone remember back to 1994-95 when CP Rail was leasing VIA units? My
question is where people have spotted these units. I have photos as far east as
Montreal and as far west as Galt. Had anyone spotted these outside of that range?

Shot 2 leading a 424 and ETR 106 in Tilbury bound for Windsor.

Geoff......

Manny,
They certainly worked through to Windsor on occasion.

Ian Platt


At 09:31 AM 1999/05/29 -0400, you wrote:

From: "Manny Jacob" <railbus@...>

Hello,

Does everyone remember back to 1994-95 when CP Rail was leasing VIA units? My
question is where people have spotted these units. I have photos as far east as
Montreal and as far west as Galt. Had anyone spotted these outside of that

range?

Thanks in advance.

Manny Jacob
Kitchener, Ont.

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The new Australia New Zealand Direct Line's(CP Ships)extended South
Pacific container ship service to Seattle, Washington begins July 12 on
a weekly basis-transit time savings of up to four days over its
competition. The port rotation will include: Seattle-Oakland-Los Angeles
and Tauranga, New Zealand-Melbourne-Sydney, and Tauranga on the
northbound leg. All seven(7) replacement vessels, which travel at 20
knots will be introduced to the rotation by the end of July. So far
mentioned trucking connections will be to all Pacific Northwest markets,
including Washington, Western Canada, Oregon, Idaho, Montana, and
Wyoming. At Seattle, ANZDL will use the American President Line's
up-to-date facilities with rail connections. So far, nothing is
mentioned regarding rail-carriers to be used. No doubt a good number of
containers travelling by truck will be destined to CPR container train
service from Coquitlam(Vancouver) to across-Canada and U.S.A
destinations.
Australia New Zealand Direct Line and Union Direct Line are part of CP
Ship's Ocean container divisions which includes-Canada
Maritime-Cast-Lykes Lines Ltd-Contship Containerlines-Americana
Ships-Montreal Terminals.

Don Scott-Coquitlam, B.C.

Does everyone remember back to 1994-95 when CP Rail was leasing VIA units? My
question is where people have spotted these units. I have photos as far east as
Montreal and as far west as Galt. Had anyone spotted these outside of that range?

They worked Montreal to Windsor mostly. At least one made a trip to Buffalo.
About a year later (after all were retuned), two or three re-appeared and CP tried to use them all over, Toronto to Winnipeg etc but it only lasted a week or three and they didn't work out.



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Hello,

Does everyone remember back to 1994-95 when CP Rail was leasing VIA units? My
question is where people have spotted these units. I have photos as far east as
Montreal and as far west as Galt. Had anyone spotted these outside of that range?

Thanks in advance.

Manny Jacob
Kitchener, Ont.

"Manny's CP Rail SD40-2 site" ...

Hi folks!,

I will be tending to some out of town business. Updates to Mile 77 website
will be suspended until June 7th.

Sorry for the inconvenience.

Wayne




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Sudbury, Ontario Canada
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Canadain Pacific Railway, Lakes District
Mile 77, Cartier Subdivision

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Some nice consists at Kinnear this evening...

2210 - 523 - CP5584 CP5583 CP5574 SOO6000 CP8224 CP8247 ? cars
2345 - 522 - CP5420 StLH5636 SOO6029 NYSW1804 CP5599 ? cars about 8000ft
Also SOO6062 was leading 557 this morning, I did not see the train,
unfortunately jus heard him clear up at 571W.

Mark
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Oh, well.

I was going to take my father to see 1057 but if SSR isn't running steam all
the time then I'm not going to drive out to Tottenham to be disappointed.
My father still talks about the last time when he came out to visit and we
took the kids to see 136.

I was thinking it would be a great day trip because my father really liked
working on D-10's and he'd get a huge kick out of seeing one run after all
these years.

IMO, if SSR isn't running steam they're toast because that's the only reason
anybody would come out. I know for a fact I won't be coming out this summer
if there's no steam running.


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Mike Salfi wrote:

Running the 1057 for all or a substantial
portion of our trips just won't wash, unless we charged more in fares
(the coal consumption really is that much more).

I know the purists won't like this (admittedly I'm one), but if this is the
case I wonder if there should be some consideration to converting 1057 to an
oil burner. Running a diesel every weekend I'm sure will see their ridership
drop off substantially.

Does anyone know how long it will be before 136 is ready?

Rob

Full Text of Decision


30287
SERVICE DATE - MAY 28, 1999

DO

SURFACE TRANSPORTATION BOARD

DECISION

STB Docket No. AB-57 (Sub-No. 46X)

SOO LINE RAILROAD COMPANY--ABANDONMENT EXEMPTION--IN ST. PAUL,
RAMSEY COUNTY, MN

IN THE MATTER OF AN OFFER OF FINANCIAL ASSISTANCE

Decided: May 27, 1999

By decision served on May 5, 1999 (May 5 decision), the effective date
of the exemption
authorizing the abandonment of a .90?-mile line of railroad known as the
St. Paul Terminal
Trackage by Soo Line Railroad Company, doing business as Canadian
Pacific Railway (Soo),
was postponed in order to permit the offer of financial assistance (OFA)
process under 49
U.S.C. 10904 and 49 CFR 1152.27 to proceed.(1) The May 5 decision stated
that, if Soo and
the offeror could not agree on the purchase price, either party may
request the Board to establish
the terms and conditions of the purchase on or before June 1, 1999. The
decision also stated that,
if no agreement is reached and no request is submitted by that date, the
Board will serve a
decision vacating the decision and allowing the abandonment exemption to
become effective.

On May 26, 1999, the offeror and Soo filed a joint request for a 30-day
extension until July 1,
1999, for the filing of requests for the establishment of terms and
conditions of the purchase. The
parties state that they have entered into negotiations as to the
purchase price and other terms of
sale pursuant to the OFA, but more time is needed to evaluate and
negotiate the proposed terms,
including environmental issues.

Because this request is reasonable, the deadline for the parties to
request the Board to establish
terms and conditions of the purchase is extended to July 1, 1999.

This action will not significantly affect either the quality of the
human environment or the
conservation of energy resources.



It is ordered:

1. The joint request to extend the time period for either party to
request the Board to establish the
terms and conditions of the purchase is granted.

2. If Soo and the offeror cannot agree on the purchase price, either
party may request the Board
to establish the terms and conditions of the purchase on or before July
1, 1999.

3. This decision is effective on its service date.

By the Board, David M. Konschnik, Director, Office of Proceedings.







Vernon A. Williams

Secretary

1. On April 30, 1999, Tilsner Carton Company (the offeror) timely filed
an OFA in this
proceeding to purchase the northern 3,200 feet of the track and a short
siding, together with all of
the underlying right-of-way between Jackson Street and Case Street,
consisting of approximately
12.15 acres.

Continued from May 25, 1999.
CP Rail Port Coquitlam, BC.(Westend of Yards)
May 1, 1995
1851-Deadhead from south/west line Westminster sub, had brought in
intermodal train from east to CP's Mayfair Intermodal Terminal-power to
shop for tie-up:
SD40 55001-SD40-2 5772-B unit-Hatx SD40-2 900-SD40-2 5972. Remarks Hatx
unit 900 ex Union Pacific.
May 7, 1995
Same location
1910-Power for westbound transfer: GP-35 5010-Hatx GP-40 519-GP-35 5011.

Remarks" Hatx unit 519 painted maroon with blue painted cab.
Westend yard engines: GP-9's 1579, 1589( in candy apple red)
1920- Transfer from soth/west off Westminster sub-GP-35 5015-Hatx-GP-40
516-GP-35's5002-5023.
Part of consist: BC Rail loaded forest product car, Milwaukee Road cars,
Soo grain cars etc.A long train.
May 18, 1995
Same location:
0820-Runthrough grain unit train from east to Vancouver: Two*
SD40-2's-Two leased Conrail General Electric-U-Boats.
* Symbol denotes CP power in candy apple red-dual flag logo.
Observed near diesel shop -eastend-Soo Line SD40-2 6600 or 700 series
Candy apple red, plus Soo 700 series same scheme, Conrail SD40-2, Helm
Leasing GP-40.
June 1, 1995
Same location-westend of yard:
1925-Light arriving from downtown Vancouver-GP-35 ????-GP-9u 8213-GP-35
????
1931-Transfer to south/west line Westminster sub-GP-35's 5016-5022.
1933-Transfer for CP Mayfair Intermodal Terminal south/west line
Westminster sub: GP-35 5024-GP-9u 8213-GP-35 5007.
In consist International containers, including CP Ship's Canada
Maritime, CP Rail Intermodal Freight Service domestic double-stacks,
othe CP Rail containers with "Bear Logo".
1952-Deadhed out on south/west line Westminster sub-GP-35 5010-Hatx
GP40-2 519-Hatx GP40-2 516-GP-35 5013
Remarks Hatx unit 516 still in Guilford paint scheme.
CP Ships Buys Cast Containerline Group-Circa 1994/1995
CP Ship's subsidiary Canada Maritime finished the deal to buy all of
Cast's container business, its brand name and its assets for an
undisclosed sum CP will put $50 million into the bankrupt container
line.Cast registered in Bermuda will be run separately with their own
schedules, fleet of ships & sales and marketing operations. Both Canada
Maritime and Cast together will form the North Atlantic's largest
container shipper controlling 80% of the business in the Port of
Montreal. The purchase of Cast is also important to CP Rail System ,
because Cast was a big user of the railway. Cast annual sales of $350
million compared with $560 million for Canada Maritime. Cast has lost
$143 million since 1991. CP Ships pumped $50 million working capital
into Cast. The Royal Bank of Canada in 1994 refused to lend more money
to Cast. The bank wrote off its Cast loans, and seized assets including
the fleet. It then sold Cast to CP Ships. Cast ran out of cash. For a
period in the 1980's CN had an interest in Cast Container Line, ending
up losing between $60 million to $80 million with an interest in the
shipping line.
To Be Continued At a Later Date.

Don Scott-Coquitlam, B.C.

I contacted a person at South Simcoe a month or so ago and this is what he
indicated regarding 1057:

We had the 1057 out running last September (in fact, the photos on
this year's SSR timetable brochure were shot on that occasion) and
have only some minor work to do before she can be used in regular
service.

The plan is to use the 1057 occasionally for special occasions
(several folks have suggested holidays, and the like) and as backup
for the 136. Owing to its better coal economy, the 136 will
continue to be our primary motive power.

All of these things take time, manpower and money, and there is never
enough to go around! However, things at the South Simcoe Rwy are
progressing quite nicely...

End of original message from the SSR. I then made the following comment:

I can understand the economy of running the 136 but would also love to

ride

behind and photograph the 1057 under steam. I think it would be a great
idea to utilize 1057 on holiday weekends and maybe even a few other
occasions.

To which I received the following reply:

That's sort of the plan. Running the 1057 for all or a substantial
portion of our trips just won't wash, unless we charged more in fares
(the coal consumption really is that much more).

This is all I know as I haven't been up there yet this year.

Mike

-----Original Message-----
From: Rob Sterne [mailto:rsterne@...]
Sent: Thursday, May 27, 1999 9:31 PM
To: CPR List
Subject: [C-P-R] No Steam at South Simcoe?


From: Rob Sterne <rsterne@...>

I sent this to the "Canadian Railways" list a couple of days ago, but I
got no responce, so I'm trying the "C-P-R" list since South Simcoe has
ex-CPR power.

I saw a post on an online railfan message board that South Simcoe
operated last weekend with diesel power, not steam. I know 136 is out
of service for a while, but what about 1057? The rebuild was completed
late last season and is reported at operable this year. Has problem
surfaced?

Rob


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Hi Bruce,

Do you also see 7306 and 7308 down there as well? Photos seem hard to come by. And
those units never seem to run in Ontario. Any particular reason?

Before anyone flames me, I would rather have a friendly discussion than to do a
trace on the units. ;)

Manny

Bill:

Also SD90 MAC 9144 should be ready to go very soon. I was on a tour of
Ogden shops last Sunday and 9144 was idling on the ready track outside
of the locomotive shop and 9143 was inside undergoing some last minute
preparations.

9145 to 9153 were in the shop at various points of assembly and 3
SD90s were outside, just as frames with complete trucks and the very
front portion of the isolated cab attached. These frames were sitting
on the rails on the north side of the locomotive shop. Two flat cars
loaded with two frames each, along with the trucks packed between the
frames were sitting to the east of the locomotive shop. Another
bulkhead flat carried the remaining cabs. So that is it for the Ogden
production assembly of SD90's for now, the partially assembled
locomotives, and frames that I saw account for locomotives 9145 to
9160. All frames and assembly parts are located at Ogden (to answer
another list question from earlier this week). Unfortunately this
project completion will start to curtail the work for the Ogden
employees. Yet spirits remained about hopes of obtaining further
contract work from other railways.

Anyhow I would like to thank the CPR employees who took personal time
on a Sunday morning to give the model railroaders attending the Calgary
Spring Meet such a great tour.

Doug Campbell
Vernon, B.C.

--- Bill Miller <bmiller@...> wrote:

From: Bill Miller <bmiller@...>

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CPR Saint John, New Brunswick-
Continued From May 26, 1999
February 9, 1955 * Symbol indicates motive power tuscan red-grey-gold
-black paint scheme.
Going back a few hours, at Saint John Union Station, on the west side of
station at Mill Street freight shed 2-8-0 switcher 3752.
The second Montreal train #42 "Atlantic Limited" was due at 1140 and on
time, by surprise instead of a heavy semi-streamlined 4-6-2 of *2390
or *2400 series, train #42 pulled into the station with semi-streamlined
2-8-2 5459 a power change made at McAdam as usual. Included in the
consist of passenger equipment, two new stainles-steel "Manor" series
sleeping cars which are regular asssigned equipment, plus heavy-weight
sleepers. At 1225 the "Gull" from Boston was pulling in, with a stranger
light-modern 4-6-2 1267 with 8 cars. The following consist: CP
streamlined light-weight 3600 series postal-express, Maine Central
express car, Boston & Maine baggage, two Maine Central coaches,
(normally Maine Central stainless-steel coaches, Two CP "R" class
sleepers, one Boston & Maine stainless-steel sleeper.
Remarks: CP 3600 series postal-express comes out of Montreal on train
#42, taken off at McAdam. The Maine Central postal car from Boston on
the "Gull" is taken off at McAdam, and CP postal car from #42 added to
the "Gull" for Saint John-about a 40 minute layover. Back at Union
Station, Saint John, after the "Gull" arrived, semi-streamlined 2-8-2
5459 backed westbound from track #7 which is outside the train shed
enroute to Lancaster, where 5459 would switch over south/west to the
line to Bay Shore roundhouse. On track #5 was the other railway's train
#14 6 cars powered by a 4-6-2 5200 series to Moncton and connections to
Halifax.. I had plans to go to Ocean Terminals at West Saint John to
watch the departure of Canadian Pacific's 19,000 ton "Empress of
Australia" (2nd) depart for Liverpool, England-but got tied up talking
to the roundhouse foreman Jim Leask, so observed the "Empress of
Australia" outbound past the Bay Shore Yard. At 1630 back at Union
Station in Saint John, heavy 4-6-2 semi-streamlined *2394 was backing
into the station from Bay Shore for westbound train #41 "Atlantic
Limited" for a 1700 departure to Montreal. Train #41 was hauled in from
the coach yards from eastend earlier. Westbound train #41 with the
following consist: Streamlined light-weight express-baggage, streamlined
light-weight 3600 series postal-express, two streamlined light-weight
2200 series deluxe coaches, one 2100 series streamlined coach,
heavy-weight dining car, a heavy-weight "Lake" series
buffet-parlor-compartment-bedroom sleeper, two new "Manor" series
stainless-steel sleepers, a heavy-weight sleeper, and wood business car
#36. Yard engine 2-8-0 3752 came from the freight shed, thundering past
the train shed, then coupled on the rear of the "Atlantic Limited"
being the pusher out of the station west up the stiff grade as far as
the Reversing Falls Bridge and back up to the Union Station area. Train
#41 departed at 1700 with 11 cars. More cars added at McAdam which would
be head-ends at this time of year. Some sound with pusher 3752
thundering through the train shed and beginning to pick up speed for the
grade. On another track was the westbound Fredericton local (65 mile
run) powered by light 4-6-2 2629. This train runs with up to 5 cars-no
helper or pusher required. The second Montreal train #39 with a
departure at 2000 is assisted by a helper/pusher, and the westbound
Boston "Gull" a 2030 departure also assisted by a helper/pusher.
Montreal westbound Train #39 is the CPR/DAR boat connection from Digby,
N.S. via CPR's Bay of Fundy Service "Princess Helene" CN's train #13
from Moncton with connections from Halifax also makes connections with
the two CPR westbounds. In the mornings after train #40 arrives from
Montreal at 0645, CP's westbound passenger for Edmundston departs at
0700 via Fredericton Jct.-McAdam(power change)then continues on the
North Line to Woodstock-Aroostook and intermendiate points to
Edmundston. Usually light modern 4-6-2 1255 has been handling this
service Saint John-McAdam and return. The Edmundston passenger over the
same route arrives Union Station at 2230.
To Be Continued-from the 1950's At a Later Date.
Note: My post of May 26 of Montreal-Saint John passenger train #39
arriving at 0645, should read train #40.

Don Scott-Coquitlam, B.C.

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This could apply to possible new container traffic for CPR. A short news
summary today, was made with the announcement that CP Ship's South
Pacific operating subsidiary Australian New Zealand Direct Line will
commence container service in and out of Seattle, Wash. So far no
mention of calls at Vancouver, B.C. ANZDL Line serves Australia-New
Zealand-and other South Pacific islands enroute to Long Beach(Los
Angeles) San Francisco/Oakland Calif. A subsidiary Union Direct Line
from Australia-New Zealand services a good number of South Pacific
Islands also. ANZDL if it omits Vancouver in favour of Seattle-what
routing will the container traffic take-possibly Union Pacific east to
Spokane then north to Kingsgate on BC. then CPR via Lethbridge-Medicine
Hat, then CP main line across Canada. U.S. destined traffic would travel
east to Moose Jaw-North Portal and Soo route through to Chicago with
traffic to the U.S. Northeast on CP's Delaware & Hudson. This is a
guess. Another route BNSF Seattle-Vancouver and CPR eastbound. News
right now regarding the announcement on ANZDL a little sketchy. Checking
ANZDL web-site their news has not been updated for the past few days.
Don Scott-Coquitlam, B.C.

I sent this to the "Canadian Railways" list a couple of days ago, but I
got no responce, so I'm trying the "C-P-R" list since South Simcoe has
ex-CPR power.

I saw a post on an online railfan message board that South Simcoe
operated last weekend with diesel power, not steam. I know 136 is out
of service for a while, but what about 1057? The rebuild was completed
late last season and is reported at operable this year. Has problem
surfaced?

Rob