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Hello everyone,

Barring any tests, what is the default coal car for British Columbia coal trains
at the time? Are bathtub gondolas still the norm? Or has a newer car come onto the
scene as the definite replacement?

Again, I'm not so much interested in tests, just what new cars may have actually
come into revenue service.

As well, what is the normal motive power configuration for these trains at this
present time?

Manny Jacob
Kitchener, Ont.

"Manny's CP Rail SD40-2 site" ...

*Symbol indicates CP motive power in dual-flag candy apple red paint
scheme-lettered CP Rail System.
Port Coquitlam, B.C.(Westend of yard)
September 11, 1993
1852-For westbound transfer-GP-35's 5022-5002-5020
1852-Deadhead arriving off Westminster sub from Sapperton or New
Westminster-GP-35 5015-GP-9u 8214
1900-GP-38 3002 and streamlined light-weight coach 1700 backing into
yard ex west.
1912-Grain unit train from east runthrough to downtown
Vancouver-SD40-2's 5867-5557 them id-train units SD40-2's 5761-B
unit-*5520.
Same location
September 18, 1993
Included in locomotive lashup freight from east-SD40-2 *5478 B-unit ex
Norfolk Southern
September 28, 1993
Same location
0915- newly outshopped yard engine GP-9 1583 in candy red lettered CP
Rail.
Year 1995
Same Location
March 27, 1995
1325-Transfer from CP Mayfair Intermodal terminal and Sapperton off
southwest Westminster sub-containers and general.
Units-GP-38's 3001-3000. A number of Soo Line container cars-Quebec
Central green forest products cars.
westend yard engine- GP-9 1582
1350- Transfer arriving of Westminster sub GP-38 3007-GP-35 5008
March 30, 1995
Same location
1105-Power for westbound transfer-CP GP35 5000 series-Helm Leasing
GP-40's 519-516 . Both Hem units ex Guilford and Guilford paint scheme.
March 31, 1995
Sulphur-unit train from east-runthrough to Pacific Coast Terminals at
Port Moody-SD40-2F 9000 series-SD40-2 unknown-Helm Leasing SD40-2(maroon
and black)SD40-2 600 series ex Kansas City Southern unit-purchased by CP
all white paint scheme relettered CP Rail in red and locomotive number
red-running board yellow.
April 1, 1995
Same location
Freight from east: SD40-2F 9003-Conrail 600 series-Soo SD40-2 6600
series-Soo SD-60 6000 series.
Remarks-Conrail 600 series believe SD40-2, Soo SD40-2 6600 series white
and red, Soo SD-60 6000 series in candy apple red scheme with new style
Soo lettering.
April 7, 1995
1015-Deadhead off Westminster sub for tieup at shop-Soo SD60-M
6059-SD40-2's *6047-5745-5593.
Had been runthrough earlier from east to Sapperton.
Westend yard power: GP-9's 1579, 1620.
1500-Container train from east-runthrough on Westminster sub to CP
Mayfair Intermodal Terminal:
SD40-2's 5568-5565-Helm Leasing 6370. Included double-stacks.
Remarks Helm Leasing SD40-2 6370ex Milwaukee Road, renumbered later by
Soo Line to 6300 series. Locomotive still wares Milwaukee Road paint
scheme-"Orange and Black".
Same location
May 1, 1995
1851- Deadhead off Westminster sub for tieup-was runthrough earlier from
east to CP Mayfair Intermodal terminal-Containers including
double-stacks:
SD40-2's 5500-5772 B-unit-Hatx 900-5972.
Remarks: Hatx unit 900 ex Union Pacific, still carries U.P. paint
scheme.
To Be Continued At a Later Date.
Don Scott-Coquitlam, B.C.

Continued From May 23, 1999
CP Rail-Coquitlam, B.C.
Westend of yard:
August 27, 1993
1900- Transfer southwest on Westminster sub to Sapperton and New
Westminster-GP-35 5015-GP-9u 8214.
1900-Transfer ready southweston Westminster sub for Sapperton-GP-38
3004 -GP-35 5020-SD40-2's 5543-5745-5660-GP?-38 3007 total 113 cars.
Likely SD40-2's to pick up Intermodal eastbound at CP Mayfair Intermodal
Terminal.
1921-Freight arriving from east- SD40-2's 5807-5964-6068-B unit.
Westend yard engine GP-9 1620.
1950- Grain-unit train arriving from east SD40-2's 6022-6013-6064-B
unit.Same location:
August 28, 1993
Westend yard engine GP-9 1642.
Same location
August 31, 1993
1830-westend yard engine GP-9 1649
1830-deadhead westbound to downtown Vancouver-GP-38's 3011-3003-SD40-2's
5527-5480-B-5649
1855-Transfer arriving from downtown Vancouver-GP-35's 5019-5024-5025.
1910-Transfer from downtown Vancouver-empty grain cars-GP-9u
8217-GP-35's 5003-5016
1920-Sumas Local from eastCP/BN interchange-GP-35 5023-GP38-2
3058-GP-35's 5002-5014. Power later took transfer on Westminster sub
southwest to Sapperton .
1940- Power for transfer to Sapperton southwest-GP-35's 5016-5003-GP-9u
8217
September 4, 1993
Same location
1900 GP-35's 5016-5003-GP-9u's 8217-8220 power for transfer.
Westend yard engine GP-9 1697.
September 7, 1993
Same location
Grain-unit train from east at 1940 on passenger track-20 mins at station
then proceeded as runthrough to Vancouver:
SD40-2F 9014-SD40-2's 5944-5718-then Mid-train units SD40-2 6064-B
unit-SD40-2 6004.
Transfer from west-GP-35 5015-GP-9u 8217.
To Be continued.
Don Scott-Coquitlam, B.C.

At 03:12 PM 5/24/1999 -0400, you wrote:

From: Doug Hately <cprnut@...>

Eastbound today at lunchtime at Bowmanville were the trucks and frame
for a new GM locomotive. I presume these are bound to Super Steel
in Schnectady. Anyone verify??

Likely. All the CP parts should be in Ogden by now. You likely saw the same cars I did Saturday night here on 512. There was one upside-down frame and about six trucks on three flats ??



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Eastbound today at lunchtime at Bowmanville were the trucks and frame
for a new GM locomotive. I presume these are bound to Super Steel
in Schnectady. Anyone verify??

Doug Hately

The gas-electrics/oil-electrics were more commonly referred to as
doodlebugs.

Donald Scott wrote:

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Rainer,and list

I was refering to your post of this subject and not about railink Rainer.

I talked to Ian and says the yard looks almost ready to go,and should open
soon

Steve

Due to an error on my part, "Archive" files were set to private instead of public which I believed would restrict access to members. However, it locked it up completely. This has been changed so there should be no problem now.

If there should be a problem, please direct it to me and not to the list.

Thanks.



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Blaine, Washington
April 9, 1993
Returning from Reno, Nev. at U.S./Canada border: CP America tractor
trailer crossing into B.C.-CP America a coast to coast CP trucking
subsidiary in the U.S. and crossing into Canada.
Port Coquitlam, B.C.
July 20, 1993
Westend of yard:
1909- westbound transfer: GP-38 3006-GP-35-SD40-2's
5582-5632-5776-general freight and grain to downtown Vancouver.
westend yard engine GP-9 1620
1950: freight arriving from east SD40-2's 5914-5739
July 20, 1993
Same location:
1930-westbound grain transfer to downtown Vancouver-SD40-2's
5733-5517-GP-35's 5021-5020
2000-Sumas local from Sumas/Huntington, Wash. from east Burlington
Northern/CP interchange GP-35's 5025-5003-5016.
2010-Transfer off southline from New Westminster and Sapperton-GP-38's
3011-3002. In consist Aroostook Valley Railroad 50 fot box car
155264(blue) former CP subsidiary in State of Maine.
July 24, 1993
Same location
CP Rail Family Days held at Port Coquitlam-special passenger with GP-38
and streamlined light-weight coach 1700 included tour of rail yard and
facilities.
July 27, 1993
same location
2050-Power for westbound transfer: GP-35's 5023-5014-GP-38 3005
From the news: Swedish hi-speed passenger train the X2000 makes trials
in Eastern Canada out of Toronto-locomotive sported CP Rail logo. CP
sponsored the X2000 bringing the train to Canada after tests in the U.S.
by Amtrak.
July 29, 1993
Port Coquitlam, B.C.
Transfer from CP's Mayfair Intermodal terminal west on New Westminster
sub-GP-35's 5017-5015 Consist all container traffic-included in consist
experimental "wheatainer".
August 9, 1993
Same location
2010-Transfer arriving yard from west -CP Mayfair Intermoodal terminal
New West sub-GP-38 3012-GP-35 5024. All container traffic.
CP News.
August 10, 1993
Canadian Pacific Limited has sold Canadian Pacific Forest Products
Limited for $700 million. CP Forest Products Limited has mills and
plants from Newfoundland to Vancouver Island, and a subsidiary in the
State of Washington.
August 16, 1993
Port Coquitlam, B.C.(westend of yard)
1825- Transfer form downtown Vancouver-grain empties-GP-9's
8236-8215-GP-38 3007
1840-Transfer from downtown Vancouver-power unknown
1900-Transfer from south line Westminster sub-from Sapperton-GP-35's
5016-5017 all empty Canpotex potash hoppers. Up to the 1980's period CP
Limited had 20% equity interest in this potash firm.
Yard engine GP-9 1582
1905- Outbound transfer south/west on Westminster sub to Sapperton and
New Westminster-GP-35's 5020-5021
1920-Westbound transfer GP-38 3011-GP-35 5019
1930-GP-35's for westbound transfer 5023-5014
1940- dead-head westbound GP-35's 5017-5016
1940- Power for westbound transfer-GP-9's 8215-8236
August 24, 1993
Same location:
Grain-unit train from east runthrough to downtown Vancouver-(1835 hours)

power: SD40-2's 5985-6023-6028-5760-B unit.
Yard engine GP-9 1620
1850-Grain unit train from east arrived at station(instead of main
yard)Made stop at station , two GP-35's added as helpers.
Train departed with GP-35's 5023-5014-SD40-2's 5726-5829-6051
1925-Transfer off Westminster sub from New Westminster and Sapperton
GP-38's 3002-3010
1940- Outbound transfer south/west on Westminster sub GP-38 3004-GP-35
5020-all BC Rail forest products empties to Sapperton ending up in North
Vancouver
1942- Intermodal transfer from CP's Mayfair intermodal terminal off
Westminster sub-GP-35's 5022-5025
To be continued.
Don Scott-Coquitlam, B.C.

Thanks for your quick reply but yes I am subscribed and was early on. I
subscribed the day that the information came out. I can get everything else
and get the posting down loads. Just that one area of shared files that
there seems to be a problem. subscribed to both the CPR and the Canadian
one. Here is the message I get "sfConnect error 9"

This is what it says at the Member Centre
You are subscribed to 3 lists:

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and under Digest I have them all checked except for the Onelist_announce. So
am not sure what the problem is.

Is there a problem with the shared files. I tried to check it out and got an error

CP Rail
Calgary, Alta.
Palliser Station December 31, 1969
1600-"Canadian" from Vancouver-change of power-stranger MLW/Alco FPA-2
4096 added .
Unit 4096 along with 4094, 4095, 4097 and at times 4082, 4083 operated
on "Atlantic Limited" service Montreal-Saint John, N.B. with MLW/Alco
FPB-2 units 4463 and 4464. Also MLW/Alco RS-10's of 8400 series. Often
if no B-units RS-10's 8463, 8464, 8465, 8466 and the odd MLW/Alco RS-18
of 8700series. The odd MLW/Alco of 8500 series could be observed. One
thing I can remember on the FPA-2's they had a good sounding tone of
whistle.
Port Coquitlam, B.C.
July 2, 1980.
Freight from east, runthrough to Sapperton interchange SD40-2's
5729-5696.
Via/CP "Canadian" east bound CP units-FP7-A 1400-GP-9's 8515-8526 total
16 cars.
westend yard engine-GP-9 8659
freight arriving from east-SD40-2's 5601-5741-5804-5842.
Same location-July 6, 1980
Via/CP eastbound "Canadian" all CP units-FP9-A 1409-GP-9 8521-FP9-A1413.
total 15 cars.
Same location-August 4, 1980
Via/CP eastbound "Canadian" all CP power-FP9-A 1407-FP-B 1964-FP9-A
1424. total 15 cars.
Remarks: B-unit 1964 renumbered.
Same location August 20, 1981
Via/CP "Canadian" from east-running 10 hours late-delayed due to rock
slides at Field, B.C.
All CP units-FP7-A 1423-FP-B 1961-GP-9 8523 total 14 cars.
Remarks: B-unit 1961 renumbered.
September 19, 1981
Same location-coal-unit train from southeast B.C. runthrough to Pacific
Coast Terminals at Port Moody. PCT is a Cominco subsidiary in turn all a
CP Limited subsidiary. SD40-2 units 5762-5927-5960.
Don Scott-Coquitlam, B.C.

Rainer:

A question for Drew and others. How much CPR activity is there on the Ottawa
Valley route,

I'm not sure sure what your asking but the RaiLink-Ottawa Valley route is all
CPR. Originally we had planned for about 16 trains a week but the last year has
been up to 30! I can get actual figures if you want.

and is it used for any intermodal traffic?

It is pretty well 90% intermodel with a couple of mixed freights in there each
week.

I think the subject
may have come up in the past, but is AC power used on the line?

A couple of AC's (from both manufactures) has in deed slipped through, once even
in the lead! But as a rule, no!

If you would like more info on the CPR Ottawa Valley train statistics, let me
know.

Drew

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There was a query on the CPRSOO list regarding the status of CPR H1b 2816.
As I've unsubscribed from CPRSOO I have no way to tell if anyone has
responded to the query. I visited the BC Rail steam shop Friday and have a
small amount of information to pass along.
2816 has been in the shop for a couple of months or so. The tender sits
outside. All boiler insulation and cladding has been removed as well as
most piping and boiler fittings. The stoker has been removed in
preparation for conversion to fuel oil firing. My understanding is that
the boiler is being readied for hydrostatic testing. The results of this
and the other inspections currently being made will be used to determine
whether to proceed with the full restoration or not. From the inspections
made to date, the boiler appears to be in generally good condition. A new
cab is to be built and the tender needs fuel oil conversion work and
repairs to fix up some corrosion damage to the top platework. A time frame
of 9 months was mentioned for the restoration. Personally, I think it
might run longer than this unless CP wants to fast track the job and put a
big crew on it. None of this is official, just a tidbit from casual
conversations.
At the time of my visit 2860 was sitting outside the shop all fired up and
undergoing safety valve setting. A crew was standing by to take her out
for a spin as soon the safeties were done. If everything checked out OK
she would have made her first trip on the regular run to Squamish and
return today, Saturday. 3716 had been standing in on the 'Royal Hudson'
runs so far this year.
Bill Brown
Richmond, BC

A question for Drew and others. How much CPR activity is there on the Ottawa
Valley route, and is it used for any intermodal traffic? I think the subject
may have come up in the past, but is AC power used on the line?
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Rainer Auer
Morinville, AB
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G-5 modern light 4-6-2 1201 arrived from Ottawa and its consist of
passenger cars-streamlined light-weight baggage-combination coach(built
1936 for streamlined 4-4-4 Jubilees of the 3000 series. Also in consist
heavy-weight coaches of 1300 and 1400 series, some lettered Canadian
Pacific, Canada Atlantic, and Dominion Atlantic in the tuscan red paint
scheme. 1201 and her consist were on display at Port Coquitlam station,
prior to making a fast run through Port Moody enroute to CP's downtown
Vancouver station and on to CPR's Drake Street yard on the Expo grounds.
1201 was placed alongside former CP "Royal Hudson" 4-6-4 2860. A good
display of "live steam" all types and classes of locomotives, including
a peppy 0-6-0 4400 class former Union Pacific yard engine, a Great
Western lettered 2-8-0 #50. Locomotive whistles blew steady during
"Steam Expo". One could stand beside 4-6-2 1201 and Royal Hudson 2860
and admire their lines. Speaking of 1201, along with 1200 they were
built as proto-types in 1944 at Angus Shops in Montreal, under the
direction of H.B. Bowen Chief of Motive Power and Rolling Stock.
Locomotive 1200 was assigned Winnipeg West usually on freight service,
while sister 1201 was assigned to passenger service out of Montreal
running west on the Smiths Falls-Perth local service. CPR's G-5 Class
1200 series proved so successful, the company ordered 100 more of this
class from the period 1945 to 1948, numbers 1202 to 1301. In the east
from Ontario-Quebec-New Brunswick these locomotives were assigned to
passenger service, while Winnipeg to Alberta some assigned to passenger
others for freight service. CPR's long range plans, if not for the
diesels, were to build a good 400 more to replace ageing 4-6-0's
including the famous D-10 Class. From all records known 4-6-2 1201 was
the only one of her class to arrive on the West Coast. A few 1200's
especially in passenger service could be found in Southeast B.C. For a
day while 1201 was in the Vancouver area, to celebrate the annual
"Golden Spike Days" in Port Moody, the sleek, clean lines G-5 and her
consist were placed on the Imperial Oil spur line for viewing. One of my
sons and myself met the crew-all from down east, and two hours before
1201 and her consist were ready to head back east to Ottawa, all dropped
into my residence to look over some of my CP collection. The CPR Port
Coquitlam Yard was located close-by. During "Steam Expo" steam power all
took their turn, to show "their stuff" beginning at the eastend of CP
yards past the station and working their way back to Expo 86 area. When
"Royal Hudson" 4-6-4 2860 passed by including 1201, they stole the
show. Thousands of spectators. CPR steam was known for their clean
lines, and CP steam a design all of their own.
Don Scott-Coquitlam, B.C.

some other photo sources of the back end of CP tenders:

a) CP 2380 - oil tender - lettered "2380", "WATER 12000 GALS", "OIL 4700
GALS"
b) CP 434 - coal tender - lettered "434", "5000 GALS", and then three lines
of very small text. This tender also has a warning printed at the bottom
outside corner on both sides: "EMPLOYEES ARE ............. NOT ....
......... .... FOOT BOARD WHEN ENGINE IS APPROACHING". Does anyone know
what the missing words might be?

Both photos are in Editor David Morgan's Canadian Steam, which unfortunately
lacks page numbers.

I'll send an update if I come across anything clearer.
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Bill Miller wrote:

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