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CP GP38AC 3005 out of Ogden overhaul has been relettered Canadian Pacific
but is still E&N green.


Bill

UP 009144 ,ST PAUL ,MN,02/29,08:24,C,L,057026, , ,
,Arrival at Destn.
UP 009151 ,ST PAUL ,MN,03/04,16:40,C,L,065002, , ,
,Arrival In Transit
UP 009162 ,VIRDEN ,MB,03/05,04:34,C,L,095104, , ,
,Departure in Transit
UP 009215 ,ALYTH ,AB,03/05,00:28,M,L,097703, , ,
,Arrival at Destn.
BNSF 004920 ,TORONTO Y,ON,03/04,17:37,E,L,053603, , ,
,Arrival at Destn.

Bill

New green or just patched green? New Canadian Pacific lettering? Inquiring
minds want to know!!

pb

At 07:29 AM 3/5/00 -0500, you wrote:

From: Bill Miller <bmiller@...>

CP GP38AC 3005 out of Ogden overhaul has been relettered Canadian Pacific
but is still E&N green.


Bill


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What CP trains currently go through Bayview Jct?



dave

Trip to Canadian Pacific Facilities at Saint John, and McAdam, New
Brunswick-February-1958. Part #2

Continued.

From Saint John, N.B to McAdam, N.B.

*Symbol-Denotes CPR steam in Tuscan Red-Grey-Black-Gold Paint Scheme*
Remarks: Dates misplaced for February 1958, but late in the Month.

McAdam, N.B
February-1958

Light 4-6-2's Double-header freight Eastbound to Saint John, N.B.
2598-2611
Remarks: These two locomotives at one time in the early 1940's could be
found on the Saint John-Boston "Gull" passenger service on the CPR
segment Saint John-Vanceboro, Maine.
4-6-0 853(dead)
Yard engines: 2-8-0 3662, MLW/Alco S-3's 6601, 6602
Westbound freight arriving from Saint John, later departed westbound
with all the same power through State of Maine:
GP-9 8701-MLW/Alco RS-3 8458
GP-9 8707
Freight arriving from Montreal-through to Saint John after refuelling
and crew change:
Alco FA-1 4002-MLW/Alco's FB-2 4408-RS-3 8460-GM GP-9 8702
Remarks: Unit 4002 originally built for Montreal-Vermont freight service
in 1949.
MLW/Alco's RS-3 8459-RS-18 8759

Light 4-6-2 2644 arriving off North Line Woodstock Division with Snow
Plow and Second Generation steel caboose(Cupola slanted style) Train
from Aroostook-Woodstock.
Freight originating for Saint John-Eastbound 2-8-2 5357. Total 60 cars.
Freight arriving from East from Saint John-2-8-2 5208.
Passenger-Gas-Electric-Combination 9008 from St. Stephen(arriving from
South) connections with Eastbound Montreal-Saint John trin #42 "Atlantic
Limited" plus Eastbound Boston-Saint John "Gull" and "Dayliner" RDC
service to the North line(Woodstock Division) to
Woodstock-Aroostook-Edmundston, N.B.-train comes from Saint John.
After connections-Gas-Electric 9008 departed back to St. Stephen after
making connections with three passenger trains.

Streamlined 4-4-4 "Jubilee" Tpe *2926 freight southbound to St. Stephen.

Late afternoon:
Light 4-6-2 2581 freight arriving off North Line(Woodstock Division)
from Aroostook & Woodstock.
Locomotives Inside Roundhouse In order:
2-8-2 5107, Semi-streamlined heavy 4-6-2 *2397, light 4-6-2 2555,
2-8-2's 5330, 5357, 5137, semi-streamlined 2-8-2 5452, heavy 0-8-0
6961(renumbered from 6600 series), 4-6-0 1044, 2-8-0 yard engine 3682,
0-8-0 yard engine 6928, 4-6-0 1104, 2-8-0 yard engines 3641, 3633.

Evening:
Passenger from St. Stephen-Gas-Electric Combination 9008
This train connects with eastbound "Dayliner" RDC's from
Edmundston-Aroostook-Woodstock to Saint John;
plus with Westbound "Atlantic Limited" Train #41 for Montreal, Westbound
"Gull" for Bangor-Portland-Boston,

"Dayliner" from Edmundston-Aroostook-Woodstock eastbound for Fredericton
Junction-Saint John:
RDC-9200-RDC-2 9101

"Atlantic Limited" Train #41 from Saint John for Montreal- Power:
MLW/Alco's FPA-2 4096-RS-10 8466-FPA-2 4097.
Connections at Saint John from CPR's Bay of Fundy Service "Princess
Helene" from Digby, N.S. and subsidiary Dominion Atlantic Railway
"Evangeline Dayliner" service from Halifax-Windsor-Kentville-&
intermediate points to Digby and continuing to Yarmouth. Also Eastbound
service from Yarmouth-Digby-Kentville & intermediate points enroute to
Halifax.
Other remarks:
The "Atlantic Limited" arrived from Saint John with 14 cars. One
streamlined light-weight express car added, plus the "McAdam Sleeper"
which handles passengers from St. Stephen, St. Andrews, Woodstock plus
other areas.
The "Atlantic Limited" departed westbound with a total of -16 cars.
Locomotives are refuelled, engine crew change. Baggageman, Trainmen,
Conductor handle this train Saint John-Brownville, Jct. Maine.

About 30 Mins. later the westbound "Gull" for Boston arrived from Saint
John:
Power: Mine Central EMD E-7 708 with 9 cars.
The Maine Central U.S. Mail Postal& Express car was added and later
departed with 10 cars towards Vanceboro, Maine. CP engine crew and other
CP crews are replaced by Manine Central staff.

Next Morning At McAdam, N.B.

"Atlantic Limited" train #42 from Montreal for Saint John & connections
with CPR's "Princess Helene" to Digby, N.S. and Dominion Atlantic
"Evangeline Dayliner" East-West trains.
Power: MLW/Alco's RS-10 8465-FB-2 4464-RS-110 8469.
Train #42 arrived with 16 cars, Two yard engines working east-end and
west-end of train-"McAdam Sleeper" taken off, one streamlined
light-weight express car taken off. Train departed eastbound to Saint
John with Total-14 cars.

"Gull" from Boston enroute to Saint John-Maine Central EMD E-7 of 700
series with 7 cars.
Maine Central U.S. Mail Postal car & express taken off. "Gull" departed
for Saint John with a Total of 6 cars.

Gas-Electric-Combination 9008 later departed south for St. Stephen.
"Dayliner" RDC's from Saint John departed Northbound on Woodstock
Division North Line to Edmundston:
RDC-4 9200-RDC-2 9101.
Other power observed: 4-6-0 1044, light 4-6-2 2644 mixed freight to
North Line to Woodstock & Aroostook,
streamlined 4-4-4 "Jubilee" *2926 freight to St. Stephen.
Freight arriving from Brownville Jct., Maine: MLW/Alco FA-1 4026
Remarks: 4-4-4 *2926 on the St. Stephen passenger service was being
replaced by Gas-Electric 9008
4-6-0 1044 freight to St. Andrews.

End.
Don Scott-Coquitlam, B.C.

So, I guess if that happened yesterday, it will be on either 9130 or 9154
because only these (2) units were in Winnipeg Weston shops (March 3,2000) as
per CP tracing system.

CP 9130 WINNIPEG MB 02/29 09:32 C L 041426 Arrival at Destn.
CP 9154 WINNIPEG MB 03/01 20:48 C L 095628 Arrival at Destn.

Trip From Moncton, N.B. To Canadian Pacific Facilities At Saint John,
N.B. & McAdam, N.B. February-1958.
*Symobol Denotes CPR Steam In Tuscan Red-Grey-Black-Gold Paint Scheme.*
Lancaster Station: West of downtown Saint John:
"Atlantic Limited" Train #42 from Montreal-Combination of Diesels &
Steam:
MLW/Alco's FPA-2 4097-FB-2 4464-RS-3 8429-Semi-streamlined heavy 4-6-2
*2397
Train running with 13 cars, in the passenger car consist stainless-steel
100 series Deluxe coaches, stainless steel Manor and Chateau series
sleepers and heavy-weight sleepers.
Lancaster Yard:
Freight #952 arriving from West, enroute to Bay Shore Yard at West St.
John:
Alco FA-1 4006-MLW/Alco's RS-3 8452-RS-18 8742-RS-3 8439
Remarks: Unit 4006 originally built 1949 for Montreal-Vermont freight
service.

"Gull" from Boston(Boston & Maine-Maine Central-CPR to downtown Saint
John:
Power-Maine Central EMD E-7 unit 711 runthrough power either from
Boston, or put on at Portland, Maine.
CP train crews take over at Vanceboro, Maine.

Yard power observed either at Bay Shore Yard, West St. John, West St.
John Ocean Terminals, downtown Saint John, or old Lancaster Yard:
0-8-0 6932, 2-8-0's 3624, 3637, 3641, 3748, 3692, 3700, 3719, 3725,
3736, 3752, 2-10-0's yard or transfers 5754, 5755. Yard diesels-Alco's
7012, 7013, 7046

Some power observed at Bay Shore Roundhouse:
4-6-0's 453, 490, light 4-6-2 2657, 2-8-2's 5107, 5206, 5361,
semi-streamlined 5422, as well as power that came off eastbound
"Atlantic Limited' from Montreal train #42 MLW/Alco's FPA-2 4097, FB-2
4464, RS-3 8429, semi-streamline heavey 4-6-2 *2397, off "Gull" from
Boston Maine Central EMD E-7 711.

Canadian Pacific Steamships-Trans-Atlantic Service:
Canadian Pacific Steamships makes its Winter terminus at West St. John,
New Brunswick from November to April of each year with its
Trans-Atlantic "White Empress" passenger liners operating from
Liverpool, England, its cargo-express-passenger "Beaver" ships the
"Beaverburn"(2nd), "Beaverford"(2nd), "Beaverlodge", the Immigrant ship
"Beaverbrae"(2nd) and cargo-express ships the "Beavercove", Beaverlake",
"Beaverdell", and "Beaverglen", plus chartered ships flying the CPS
house flag and in CPS paint scheme. The Beaverburn, Beaverford, and
Beaverlodge which also carry passengers operate from Liverpool, the
immigrant ship Beaverbrae of Continental Europe, the cargo-express
"Beavers", the Beavercove, Beaverdell, Beaverlake, and Beaverglen
operate from London, Antwerp and other Continental Europe ports to West
St. John during the Winter months.

Bulletin #57 To Be Continued-Next Stop McAdam, N.B.-February-1958.

Don Scott-Coquitlam, B.C.

CN now comes into Lambton off the CN Weston Sub. 577 is actually handling traffic from CN's former KO10 ( the Leaside Job) out of Mac Yard.
As CN is no longer using the Leaside Spur , no CN/CP interchanges are made at Leaside. It is all now done at Lambton.

Steve Bradley

For those interested, Bill is referring to the BNSF Heritage II scheme and
Charles Biel's site is now at with
4919 at .

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Rainer Auer
Morinville, AB
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Thanks to Ian for the heads up on today's #536 with BNSF-4920/CPRS-5646.

For those unfamiliar, a "Super-Carrot" looks this:

"
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Just got an "Advance Notice" of the GHRA excursions using the WSJR train
from a buddy and co-worker.

So that everyone can plan in advance, I respectfully submit the following
information:

GHRA will run excursions from Guelph to Guelph Junction on the following
weekends:
- April 14, 15 and 16 (weekend before Easter)
- September 29, 30 and October 1 (weekend before Thanksgiving)

Departure will be from the River Run Center in Downtown Guelph (same place
as last year)
Destination is Guelph Junction, near Campbellville
This is a 29 miles, 2 hour round trip.

For more information please call (519)-821-2696 or (519)-824-4317

The mailing address for the GHRA is:
GHRA
Box 23001
66 Woolwiich Street Post Office
Guelph Ontario
N1H 8H9

Michael Salfi
Kitchener, Ontario

email: msalfi@...

We are the navvies who work upon the railway,
Swinging our hammers in the bright glazing sun,
Laying down track and building the bridges,
Bending our backs till the railroad is done.

From "The Canadian Railroad Trilogy", by Gordon Lightfoot

Hey!

Saw it in Milton, around 2:30 pm. This is really inresting for me since
I plan on building a layout based on the Galt and Halton subs around
Milton. I can really mix up the motive power while maintaining some
realism. For instance, just the other day on the CN Halton sub I
spotted a KCS loco in lead (didn't get number, as I was driving!).

Dean.

Ian Platt wrote:

Continued From January 25, 1999(B-#60)

Trainspotting On Canadian Pacific Railway-Port Coquitlam(Vancouver
Area)B.C.-Unless Noted-Circa 1998.

Remarks: All observations from Westend of CP's Port Coquitlam, B.C.
Yards:

January 23, 1998
Port Coquitlam, B.C.

1045-Westbound transfer to Southwest line(Westminster Sub-Division)
enroute to CP's Mayfair Intermodal Terminal-Containers including
double-stacks:
Power-GP-38 E&N Railfreight 3004-GP-35 5024-GP38-2 3090
Remarks-E&N Railfreight in green & yellow paint scheme.
1048-Transfer power and main-line power deadhead-from Southwest
line(Westminster Sub) from Sapperton:
GP-38 3012-GP38-2 3105-SD40-2 5748-GE AC4400CW's 9537-9550-9642-SD40-2
6001-Leased SD40-2 622.
Remarks-Leased SD40-2 622 believe from Locomotive Leasing-painted blue.
Remarks- In above lash-up of main-line power units arrived earlier from
East on runthrough.
1049-Power for Westbound transfer or Southwest transfer: GP38-2
3044-GP-38 3006.

January 24, 1998
Same Location:
1131-Main-line power deadhead off Southwest line (Westminster
Sub)-earlier runthrough from East:
SD40-2's 5981-5745-Soo 6616-6404.
Remarks-Unit SOO 6616 Candy Apple Red Scheme; unit 6404 relettered from
SOO dual-flag logo-Candy Apple Red.

January 26, 1998
Same Location:
1023- Power dead-head off Vancouver line earlier runthroughs from East
either to Port Moody and downtown Vancouver:
GE AC4400CW's 9620-9650-9640-9630 enroute to shop.
1050-Transfer from West from Port Moody-empty sulphur cars-GP38-2's
3061-3104-3112

January 27, 1998
1040-Intermodal transfer to CP's Mayfair intermodal terminal on
southwest line(Westminster Sub):
GP-9's 8204-8215.
Remarks-Unit 8215 has RCMP Muscical Ride Logo.

January 30, 1998
Same Location:
1045-Transfer departing to Southwest line(Westminster Sub)-GP-35's
5013-5011
1057-Grain unit train from East-terminated: GE AC4400CW's
9506-9539-SD40-2 5803-GE AC4400CW 9574

February 2, 1998
Same Location:
1105-Transfer departing to Southwest line(Westminster Sub) GP-38
3012-GP38-2 3105
Westend yard engines: GP-9's 1582, 1613
Remarks-1582 Candy Apple Red, 1613 old action red; both units working
"Remote".

February 7, 1998
Same Location:
1024-Container transfer to downtown Vancouver-GP38-2's 3112-3104-3061
1024-Wesend yard engines: GP-9's 1550, 1583
Remarks: Unit 1550 Candy Apple Red-lettered CP Rail System-RCMP Musical
Ride logo, unit 1583 Candy Apple Red-lettered CP Rail.

February 16, 1998
Same Location:
1025-Transfer to Southwest line(Westminster Sub) GP38-2 3090-GP-38's
3002-E&N Railfreight 3004.
1040-Double-stack transfer to downtown Vancouver-GP-35's 5005-5010-5017
Remarks: Unit 5005 in Candy Apple Red scheme-Dual Flag logo.
1055-Double-stack transfer arriving from downtown Vancouver-GP-9's
8203-8204
Remarks-Unit 8203 Candy Apple Red scheme-lettered CP Rail System-Has
RCMP Musical Ride logo; Unit 8204 in Candy Apple Red scheme RCMP Musical
Ride logo.
1100-Transfer arriving off Southwest line(Westminster Sub) GP-38
3006-GP38-2 3045.
Westend yard engines-GP-9's 1550, 1627, 1690.
Remarks: Units 1550 and 1627 both lettered CP Rail System in Candy Apple
Red-both working remote; unit 1690 in old Action Red.

To Be Continued at a Later Date.
Don Scott-Coquitlam, B.C.

Mailing-List: list dandh@...; contact dandh-owner@...
Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2000 14:40:22 -0500
Subject: [dandh] Fw: SURFACE TRANSPORTATION BOARD FINDS NO BASIS ON WHICH

TO REVISIT 10-YEAR-OLD DECISION IN ORDER TO BLOCK TRANSFER OF TRAIN
DISPATCHING FUNCTION TO MONTREAL

From: "Danny Boehr" <dannyb2@...>


----- Original Message -----
From: <Administrator@...>
To: <Dannyb2@...>
Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2000 12:05 PM
Subject: SURFACE TRANSPORTATION BOARD FINDS NO BASIS ON WHICH TO REVISIT
10-YEAR-OLD DECISION IN ORDER TO BLOCK TRANSFER OF TRAIN DISPATCHING
FUNCTION TO MONTREAL

* * * * * * * * * *
Originally posted by CN=News Clips/O=STB
* * * * * * * * * *


Surface Transportation Board (Board) Chairman Linda J. Morgan announced
that the Board has today issued a decision finding that it is unable,

based

on the record before it, to reopen a proceeding decided 10 years ago
authorizing the Canadian Pacific Railway Company (CP) to acquire the

assets

of the bankrupt Delaware and Hudson Railway Company (D&H).



In December 1998, the Board issued a decision granting the request of the
American Train Dispatchers Department of the International Brotherhood of
Locomotive Engineers (ATDD) that CP be blocked from transferring train
dispatching functions to Montreal, Canada. That decision, which arose in
the context of review of an arbitrator's ruling concerning employee
protection issues associated with the CP/D&H transaction, was based on
safety concerns that had been voiced by officials of the Federal Railroad
Administration (FRA), an agency within the Department of Transportation
(DOT), in letters written to the private parties. In December 1999,
however, the Board's decision was vacated by the United States Court of
Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit. The court found that the

FRA

letters, which pointed out that Canadian hours of service laws are
different from those in the United States, and that Canadian workers are
not subject to random drug testing, did not provide a basis for

overturning

the arbitrator's ruling allowing the proposed transfer of dispatching
functions to Canada.



After the D.C. Circuit's action, ATDD asked the Board to issue a new
decision that would again block the transfer of dispatching functions to
Montreal, and this time one that would reopen the underlying CP/C&H
proceeding. ATDD's request was based on the same FRA letters on which the
Board had relied in first enjoining the dispatching transfer in the
decision which the reviewing court vacated. DOT also filed a formal
pleading at the Board supporting ATDD's request. Its pleading, however,
simply reiterated the concerns expressed earlier by FRA, and indicated

that

FRA intended to begin a rulemaking proceeding in the near future to
consider the issue. The Board found that it could not issue an order
blocking the transfer. In its decision, the Board stated:



"[W]e give great weight to the views of the [FRA, the] Federal body with
expertise in rail safety. In its pleading, DOT hypothesizes as to several
potential safety issues but concedes that it does "not at this juncture
know whether the movement of dispatching operations for [domestic] rail
lines to locations outside the United States should be allowed, allowed
subject to conditions, or prohibited." DOT has not suggested when FRA
would conclude its rulemaking and be prepared to provide its views on
whether the potential safety concerns that it has identified necessitate
any remedial action. Given DOT's own uncertainty as to whether corrective
action is required, it would be premature for us to reopen the underlying
acquisition proceeding to impose a condition foreclosing CP's right to
transfer the dispatching function to Canada. Moreover, for us to

institute

an investigation at this time would be needlessly duplicative of FRA's
efforts. When FRA has better formulated its position regarding the
magnitude of any safety problem that might be identified and what
conditions, if any, might be appropriate regarding Canadian-based
dispatching, we will be better able to assess whether or not it would be
appropriate to reopen this proceeding to consider any request by FRA for a
specific condition. If there are any urgent safety problems in the
meantime, FRA, which . . . is the agency principally responsible for rail
safety, can exercise its own emergency powers."



The Board's decision was issued on March 2, 2000, in Canadian Pacific
Limited, Et Al. --Purchase and Trackage Rights--Delaware & Hudson Railway
Company, STB Finance Docket No. 31700.



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Hello all

Last night at dinner some one asked me to provide some info about the
secret CPR trains used to move Chinese labourers across Canada during
World War I. I couldn't, but I think I know some folks who maybe could!

Apparently the CPR moved about 84,000 Chinese labourers from Manchuria
to the Western front in France to relieve "our boys" of grunt work like
digging trenches and hauling ammunition. They were brought over in CP
ships to quarantine at William Head near Victoria, then by CP steamers
to Vancouver, where they boarded sealed trains of colonist cars, two
armed guards per car. They were only let out for air in remote areas
where no one could see them and escape attempts would be futile (and
probably fatal). They were put on CP ships on the east coast and
transported to France. After the war the whole process was executed in
reverse, with a fine to the CPR of $1000 per head for any Chinese
worker not returned to China. Everyone concerned was sworn to secrecy
about the whole operation, which involved dozens of trains.

Well that's the dinner-time story, anyways. Does anyone on the list
know anything about this, or where it might have been written up in a
publication?

Doug
Victoria, BC

Heading east from London around noon today: BNSF 4920 in the lead with CPRS
5646 trailing.

Ian Platt

From: "Rainer Auer" <auerr@...>

As per Bill's updates on the travels of the four C40-8 units, it seems
unclear as to the purpose of these independent assignments. When the tests
were announced, I thought (aside from reducing the age of the fleet) that
the CPR was looking at potential unit reductions on certain trains, given
the horsepower difference. Are they merely testing compatibility and
reliability with SD40s at this stage?

As far as I know CPR is not testing these locomotives at all. They are
simply on a h.p. hour equalization assignment

As per Bill's updates on the travels of the four C40-8 units, it seems
unclear as to the purpose of these independent assignments. When the tests
were announced, I thought (aside from reducing the age of the fleet) that
the CPR was looking at potential unit reductions on certain trains, given
the horsepower difference. Are they merely testing compatibility and
reliability with SD40s at this stage?

===============
Rainer Auer
Morinville, AB
===============

Brian Switzer recently updated his site, and among the items a couple of
images of StL&H slug 1001. The white nose stripes appear rather narrow.
Anyone know their width?

===============
Rainer Auer
Morinville, AB
===============

Has anyone seen this train in the Buffalo area? Computer has shown this
train on the Hamilton Sub. in the past few weeks. I think it originates
in Winnipeg. Any info would help. Thanks
Dave