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Re: Circuit Board Dimensions?

 

as per the website.... kidding.. it is 4.5 inches by 5.5 ?inches.

On 24-Dec-2016 5:10 pm, "ron van doremalen ronvandoremalen@... [BITX20]" <BITX20@...> wrote:
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Home page below Box Contents it is clearly written.

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Van: BITX20@... [mailto:BITX20@...]
Verzonden: 24 December, 2016 12:00
Aan: BITX20@...
Onderwerp: [BITX20] Circuit Board Dimensions?

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Please don't refer me to the website, IF the dimensions are listed there, they have eluded me.

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Please reply with the dimensions of the circuit board.

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Thank You in advance.

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Mike: AC2Q


Re: Circuit Board Dimensions?

 

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Home page below Box Contents it is clearly written.

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Van: BITX20@... [mailto:BITX20@...]
Verzonden: 24 December, 2016 12:00
Aan: BITX20@...
Onderwerp: [BITX20] Circuit Board Dimensions?

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Please don't refer me to the website, IF the dimensions are listed there, they have eluded me.

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Please reply with the dimensions of the circuit board.

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Thank You in advance.

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Mike: AC2Q


Re: Entrepreneurs, the BITX 40, and Rupees

 

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Ashhar,

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Please continue to do what you are doing. Neglect those who want all or perfection for free. Price is more than ok.

Few drinks with my family costs more.

Ron ¨C PA3FAT

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Van: BITX20@... [mailto:BITX20@...]
Verzonden: 24 December, 201
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Aan: BITX20@...
Onderwerp: Re: [BITX20] Entrepreneurs, the BITX 40, and Rupees

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Dear Farhan,

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May I raw this opportunity to say thank you so much for printing your design to the world. I found your design only a few years ago and having built a 20m version from scratch with my own boards and components was amazed and emotional on the first contact I ever made on a radio I had built.

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For me, and I think this will be the feeling of most on this forum, please do not ever feel you have to justify yourself.

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My very best regards

Dave

G4UFS

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On 24 Dec 2016, at 10:25, Ashhar Farhan farhanbox@... [BITX20] <BITX20@...> wrote:

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thanks for writing in, I couldn't get your handle from the mail, so do excuse me for improper address! I think you have raised from valid points. I think it is important that everybody understands what tried to do, what we did and where we are now.

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this is going to be a long and full of personal details that i didn't consider to be of any interest to the group and hence it was kept out. but i guess, i need to let a few cats out of the bag.

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i am retired, early. i had a modestly successful run in a few businesses but i had promised myself to retire from active work, which i did around five years ago. i no longer run any for-profit businesses. most of my investment goes into 'stuff that matters'. i founded a libera cultural space in hyderabad, i am a partner in a strategic venture fund that promotes technologies that are important rather than profitable. neither ehsan nor i are any longer running anything full time. i do mentor some startups now and then but never as an investor.

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i would be only too glad if someone else takes over the entire hfsigs approach. the design has been out in the open for more than a decade. apparently, it doesn't make economic sense to make them at $45 dollars a pop. so, there is nothing preventing others 'creaming the market' if they want to. surely, the turnover is modest but it is not profitable.

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it is fallacy that India is cheap. In Hyderabad, a modest apartment will cost you over 250K USD.? An independent house in a reasonable area goes for a million USD. A gallon of gas will costs you more than 5 dollars. smart people are hired by facebook, google and microsoft. they have a big a presence here as in the valley and seattle. there is no healthcare, all education is privatized and has to be paid. there is no social welfare. the multinationals they pay top dollar and that drives the living index up, not down. a quick indicator is that only 7% of the population of Hyderabad moves in cars and taxis and they account for 85% of the traffic congestion. our purpose is not provide the women who work low wages, but respectable wages. but i am getting ahead of myself...

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Two years ago, our local club conducted India's annual hamfest. As a part of the delegates kit, Ehsan and I decided to put free BITX PCBs in the kit. These were done without any commercial interest. At this time, the hamfest was still short of money, so we decided to buy the back page ad of the souvenier to help them with the money. I had to put in something in as text, I decided to put a message in the name of HF signals (which was the name of the wiki that is still up at ). We distributed a 1000 PCBs for free. Only a few turned up on Air. It was time to do something.

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Later, in 2015, I decided to conduct a workshop to help those interested in assembling the PCBs. asked them to get the components off the local shops and we settled down to do it. i discovered that a seemingly simply job of scrapping the enamel off a copper wire would take them hours and often they'd end up doing it the wrong way. the PCBs were badly designed too. we aborted the attempt. i had learnt something : homebrewing cant be taught in a day. first fail.

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i also figured that it might be easier to begin with something that is already working and then start modifying it. something that happens in open source all the time. so,i sat down and designed a new single side pcb .. with through-holes, on Express Pcb. we turned up 100 boards, found a group of five young girls who were laid off after the unit where they worked to assemble TVs had closed down. showed them how to assemble the boards. they made quite a few mistakes. the transformer windings got mixed up, resistors got swapped, the transistors were inverted, etc. each board was an adventure. you can probably see some pictures of these boards floating around. they were cheap to produce. the actual component cost of the bitx is ridiculously low. it cost us about 1000 rupees in components, another two hundred for the assembly and testing and a hundred bucks to ship it. we rounded it off to Rs.1500. About 100 of them were sold. it gave me nightmares. each board took an hour or more to fix. i decided not to do it at all. we rolled up the operations after a while. second time, fail.

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by now, i had given up on doing anything with bitx boards. but a conversation with convinced me that SMD might be the way to go. we looked around and found a local SMD shop that agreed to do small runs for us. the smd components are much more expensive in india. we decided to keep the more expensive components like crystals, electrolytics in through hole format. i had to learn kicad. the women were now retrained to do the windings, insertion of through hole components and two rounds of testing. the component cost was at Rs.1500, another Rs.200 to the SMD insertion machine, Rs.200 for through hole insertion, testing. add another Rs.100 for packing and Rs.100 for local posting. we were selling these for Rs.2400 inside india and 45 dollars (a few hundred more to cover the additional expense of international postage) outside.

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now, we come to the packing and shipping saga. the DHL/Speed Post quoted above Rs.1500 for shipping it internationally. that would be nearly 60% of the board's sale price. instead, we looked at the ordinary postal service. so, we bought some amazon shipping cartons, assuming that these must be good enough for us as well and shipped some boards to friends around the world. we shipped five of them with the boards in bubble wrap. all fo them arrived in good shape. we rolled with this. WE USED BUBBLE WRAP. When we started actual shipping, we realized that the bubble wrap wouldn't prevent the carton from collapsing. the coils were getting damaged. we needed some kind of a stiff roof over the board so the box's sides wouldn't collapse down. That's when we started using the foam plate over the board. The foam provides a physical shield for the coils. The foam + the amazon cartons worked for a while. Then, we ran out of cartons.?

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Diwali is the christmas equivalent in India, the packing materials just disappeared from the market. we looked around and bought some other cardboard gift box. we sent them out as gifts to another set of people, they reported no problems, so we continued with those. after a while, we started getting complains about those boxes as well. then, we started looking around for something else.

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we found these plastic boxes to be sturdy. we tossed them around, shipped them to a few volunteers around the globe and finally agreed that these were holding up. so we continued with these boxes. these boxes are costly. they are not 'cheap'. i am personally averse to using plastic, but we thought that these were the best for the purpose. if anyone has a better idea, do test it out and let us know. we are always glad to accept anything better.

2.) Secondly, components and PCBs in the Indian market are generally available at a lower cost, sometimes much lower, than components purchased from prime US suppliers such as Mouser, Newark, etc. The US is one market, India is another. That's the way it works. Components even cheaper than these:

we buy our toroids from w8diz. these are genuine micrometal parts. the pcb is of high quality made to ISO-9000 standards. we import components from mouser. the only thing that we do on the 'cheap' is that we use microprocessor grade crystals that we sort out manually.

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What's the current serial numbering up to as of December. Anyone know? It was #465 in early December. 465 units multiplied by $45 USD is about $21,000 USD. That converted to INR has the purchasing power in India of $70,000 USD here in the US. That's a lot of bread.

we have shipped 1000 boards. we got 45,000 dollars in revenue and we have not yet recovered our expenses. i have provided you with the figures. add them up. ?as i said above there are far easier ways to follow to make money than bother with these boards. that's why no one else is doing it. the design is in open source anyway.?

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What's my point?

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Seems like with that kind of wealth in play:

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1.) The product could be double-boxed and well bubble-wrapped so it arrives undamaged after it's 12,500+ km trip from Hyderabad. Old candy boxes or scraps of waste paper taped together just isn't doing the job. Broken product means unhappy customers and a bad reputation.

as i said, bubble wrap didn't work. there will be enough people here to vouch for that. we did try it.

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2.) The single schematic that represents the functionality of the product could be up-to-date and error-free.

this is the schematic that was used to produce the PCB. where are the errors?

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And for totally optional bonus points: A section by section Theory of Operation write-up that explains exactly how all the sections operate and how to troubleshoot. If a template is needed, look at vintage HP test instrument manuals or Heathkit ham radio transceiver manuals. Hint: Saying that, "It's all been explained many times before on many forums, Google it." does not get any points.?

surely, it could be done. probably it is already done. bitx happens to be most well documented radio now. it is a community effort. look at? and soldersmoke and arv's work and the large amount of stuff in the file section of the bitx group and you will realize that more people know, understand and write about bitx than a proprietory manual might contain. if you think it is lacking, go ahead and write some more documentation.

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oh, btw, Ehsan is not an Ayn Rand supporter. He is a radically liberal guy who is more at home with the socialists at lamakaan than the suits of the software gang.

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- f

Doesn't seem too much to ask, does it?

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Paradigm E-commerce Pvt. Ltd

For the curious consumer, more info:

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https://s29.postimg.org/51fifnjl3/Bh5_Ol7_PIUAAMe_e.jpg

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Circuit Board Dimensions?

 

Please don't refer me to the website, IF the dimensions are listed there, they have eluded me.


Please reply with the dimensions of the circuit board.


Thank You in advance.


Mike: AC2Q


Re: Entrepreneurs, the BITX 40, and Rupees

 

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Dear Farhan,

May I raw this opportunity to say thank you so much for printing your design to the world. I found your design only a few years ago and having built a 20m version from scratch with my own boards and components was amazed and emotional on the first contact I ever made on a radio I had built.

For me, and I think this will be the feeling of most on this forum, please do not ever feel you have to justify yourself.

My very best regards
Dave
G4UFS




On 24 Dec 2016, at 10:25, Ashhar Farhan farhanbox@... [BITX20] <BITX20@...> wrote:

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thanks for writing in, I couldn't get your handle from the mail, so do excuse me for improper address! I think you have raised from valid points. I think it is important that everybody understands what tried to do, what we did and where we are now.

this is going to be a long and full of personal details that i didn't consider to be of any interest to the group and hence it was kept out. but i guess, i need to let a few cats out of the bag.

i am retired, early. i had a modestly successful run in a few businesses but i had promised myself to retire from active work, which i did around five years ago. i no longer run any for-profit businesses. most of my investment goes into 'stuff that matters'. i founded a libera cultural space in hyderabad, i am a partner in a strategic venture fund that promotes technologies that are important rather than profitable. neither ehsan nor i are any longer running anything full time. i do mentor some startups now and then but never as an investor.

i would be only too glad if someone else takes over the entire hfsigs approach. the design has been out in the open for more than a decade. apparently, it doesn't make economic sense to make them at $45 dollars a pop. so, there is nothing preventing others 'creaming the market' if they want to. surely, the turnover is modest but it is not profitable.

it is fallacy that India is cheap. In Hyderabad, a modest apartment will cost you over 250K USD.? An independent house in a reasonable area goes for a million USD. A gallon of gas will costs you more than 5 dollars. smart people are hired by facebook, google and microsoft. they have a big a presence here as in the valley and seattle. there is no healthcare, all education is privatized and has to be paid. there is no social welfare. the multinationals they pay top dollar and that drives the living index up, not down. a quick indicator is that only 7% of the population of Hyderabad moves in cars and taxis and they account for 85% of the traffic congestion. our purpose is not provide the women who work low wages, but respectable wages. but i am getting ahead of myself...

Two years ago, our local club conducted India's annual hamfest. As a part of the delegates kit, Ehsan and I decided to put free BITX PCBs in the kit. These were done without any commercial interest. At this time, the hamfest was still short of money, so we decided to buy the back page ad of the souvenier to help them with the money. I had to put in something in as text, I decided to put a message in the name of HF signals (which was the name of the wiki that is still up at ). We distributed a 1000 PCBs for free. Only a few turned up on Air. It was time to do something.

Later, in 2015, I decided to conduct a workshop to help those interested in assembling the PCBs. asked them to get the components off the local shops and we settled down to do it. i discovered that a seemingly simply job of scrapping the enamel off a copper wire would take them hours and often they'd end up doing it the wrong way. the PCBs were badly designed too. we aborted the attempt. i had learnt something : homebrewing cant be taught in a day. first fail.

i also figured that it might be easier to begin with something that is already working and then start modifying it. something that happens in open source all the time. so,i sat down and designed a new single side pcb .. with through-holes, on Express Pcb. we turned up 100 boards, found a group of five young girls who were laid off after the unit where they worked to assemble TVs had closed down. showed them how to assemble the boards. they made quite a few mistakes. the transformer windings got mixed up, resistors got swapped, the transistors were inverted, etc. each board was an adventure. you can probably see some pictures of these boards floating around. they were cheap to produce. the actual component cost of the bitx is ridiculously low. it cost us about 1000 rupees in components, another two hundred for the assembly and testing and a hundred bucks to ship it. we rounded it off to Rs.1500. About 100 of them were sold. it gave me nightmares. each board took an hour or more to fix. i decided not to do it at all. we rolled up the operations after a while. second time, fail.

by now, i had given up on doing anything with bitx boards. but a conversation with convinced me that SMD might be the way to go. we looked around and found a local SMD shop that agreed to do small runs for us. the smd components are much more expensive in india. we decided to keep the more expensive components like crystals, electrolytics in through hole format. i had to learn kicad. the women were now retrained to do the windings, insertion of through hole components and two rounds of testing. the component cost was at Rs.1500, another Rs.200 to the SMD insertion machine, Rs.200 for through hole insertion, testing. add another Rs.100 for packing and Rs.100 for local posting. we were selling these for Rs.2400 inside india and 45 dollars (a few hundred more to cover the additional expense of international postage) outside.

now, we come to the packing and shipping saga. the DHL/Speed Post quoted above Rs.1500 for shipping it internationally. that would be nearly 60% of the board's sale price. instead, we looked at the ordinary postal service. so, we bought some amazon shipping cartons, assuming that these must be good enough for us as well and shipped some boards to friends around the world. we shipped five of them with the boards in bubble wrap. all fo them arrived in good shape. we rolled with this. WE USED BUBBLE WRAP. When we started actual shipping, we realized that the bubble wrap wouldn't prevent the carton from collapsing. the coils were getting damaged. we needed some kind of a stiff roof over the board so the box's sides wouldn't collapse down. That's when we started using the foam plate over the board. The foam provides a physical shield for the coils. The foam + the amazon cartons worked for a while. Then, we ran out of cartons.?

Diwali is the christmas equivalent in India, the packing materials just disappeared from the market. we looked around and bought some other cardboard gift box. we sent them out as gifts to another set of people, they reported no problems, so we continued with those. after a while, we started getting complains about those boxes as well. then, we started looking around for something else.

we found these plastic boxes to be sturdy. we tossed them around, shipped them to a few volunteers around the globe and finally agreed that these were holding up. so we continued with these boxes. these boxes are costly. they are not 'cheap'. i am personally averse to using plastic, but we thought that these were the best for the purpose. if anyone has a better idea, do test it out and let us know. we are always glad to accept anything better.

2.) Secondly, components and PCBs in the Indian market are generally available at a lower cost, sometimes much lower, than components purchased from prime US suppliers such as Mouser, Newark, etc. The US is one market, India is another. That's the way it works. Components even cheaper than these:

we buy our toroids from w8diz. these are genuine micrometal parts. the pcb is of high quality made to ISO-9000 standards. we import components from mouser. the only thing that we do on the 'cheap' is that we use microprocessor grade crystals that we sort out manually.
?

What's the current serial numbering up to as of December. Anyone know? It was #465 in early December. 465 units multiplied by $45 USD is about $21,000 USD. That converted to INR has the purchasing power in India of $70,000 USD here in the US. That's a lot of bread.

we have shipped 1000 boards. we got 45,000 dollars in revenue and we have not yet recovered our expenses. i have provided you with the figures. add them up. ?as i said above there are far easier ways to follow to make money than bother with these boards. that's why no one else is doing it. the design is in open source anyway.?
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What's my point?


Seems like with that kind of wealth in play:


1.) The product could be double-boxed and well bubble-wrapped so it arrives undamaged after it's 12,500+ km trip from Hyderabad. Old candy boxes or scraps of waste paper taped together just isn't doing the job. Broken product means unhappy customers and a bad reputation.

as i said, bubble wrap didn't work. there will be enough people here to vouch for that. we did try it.
?

2.) The single schematic that represents the functionality of the product could be up-to-date and error-free.

this is the schematic that was used to produce the PCB. where are the errors?
?

And for totally optional bonus points: A section by section Theory of Operation write-up that explains exactly how all the sections operate and how to troubleshoot. If a template is needed, look at vintage HP test instrument manuals or Heathkit ham radio transceiver manuals. Hint: Saying that, "It's all been explained many times before on many forums, Google it." does not get any points.?

surely, it could be done. probably it is already done. bitx happens to be most well documented radio now. it is a community effort. look at? and soldersmoke and arv's work and the large amount of stuff in the file section of the bitx group and you will realize that more people know, understand and write about bitx than a proprietory manual might contain. if you think it is lacking, go ahead and write some more documentation.

oh, btw, Ehsan is not an Ayn Rand supporter. He is a radically liberal guy who is more at home with the socialists at lamakaan than the suits of the software gang.
?
- f

Doesn't seem too much to ask, does it?


Paradigm E-commerce Pvt. Ltd

For the curious consumer, more info:



https://s29.postimg.org/51fifnjl3/Bh5_Ol7_PIUAAMe_e.jpg




Re: Entrepreneurs, the BITX 40, and Rupees

 

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1.4million rupees is about ?17k or about $20.5k and if this figure is correct, pays for the labour of several people.

I have a BiTX 40 wrapped under the Christmas tree waiting for me to open tomorrow morning and I am hoping yes HOPING that Santa has damaged it a little on his sleigh, I'll be very disappointed if it works out of the box. Such is the hobby I choose. Of course, had I paid several hundreds of pounds from a supplier like Yaesu or Icom who, pound for pound, makes many many more thousands in profit then I really would expect out of the box operation and perfect paintwork.?

Come on guys, it's a very cheap way of getting something that gets you on air. We all know this and we all, well most of us, expect to put a little effort in. There's no fun if you don't.

My point?
ITS CHRISTMAS!!!

:)






On 24 Dec 2016, at 08:11, qrpbuilder@... [BITX20] <BITX20@...> wrote:

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>I wouldn't be the least surprised to learn he makes nothing on the project at all.

Maybe, maybe not. Not my business. I'll stick to my point, with yearly gross sales of 1.4 million Indian rupees and sales soaring, Paradigm E-commerce Pvt. Ltd needs to ship the rig in packaging that can reasonably be expected to survive the mail, and to clean up the single-page schematic so it shows the correct transformers, core types, wire sizes, capacitor dielectric type, etc. for current and future reference. (You know that 20 years from now we'll still see these radios come up for sale on eBay and people will say, "Why doesn't the schematic match the rig?")

Either that or increase the price for overseas shipment to cover the cost of two new corrugated cardboard boxes and a couple of square feet of bubble wrap. Ask the owners of the BITX-40's that arrived crushed and DOA if they would have paid $3 more to upgrade the packaging so their rigs arrived in one piece and functional from the factory. Seems like a no-brainer. Let the customer choose the risk level they're comfortable with and either upgrade the packaging or not.

The British MKARS80 BITX derivative has a very nice version-controlled manual at . They don't make much, if any, money on it and ship it around the world. Why can't the Paradigm E-commerce BITX-40 have a PDF manual with Theory of Operation, parts list, and trouble shooting section?

I asked in a separate thread that Farhan upload the KiCAD schematic file so the user community can easily edit the schematic without having to re-enter it from scratch. This would also encourage home-brewing the design as well as derivative works.


Re: Yeah! No!

 

The Indian SSB segment starts at 7050 KHz and the USA segments starts at 7150. The cap was originally intended to shift the frequency without using the trimmer. finally we decided to let go of the C95 and use the trimmer as we didnt want to have geographic specific sets.

- f

On Sat, Dec 24, 2016 at 1:38 PM, Raj vu2zap@... [BITX20] <BITX20@...> wrote:
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C95 missing will only send your tuning range higher. I would guess that all units shipped to US will not have it!
VU 40M = 7.0 to 7.2 for all modes
US 40M = 7.1-7.3 for SSB - I hope this is right!

73 Raj vu2zap



At 24-12-2016, you wrote:
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Looking at this board more, and I'm just getting more dejected. I just
noticed that what appears to be C95 is missing. Is it supposed to be? I'm
about ready to throw this thing in the trash. What a waste of time and
money...

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Kent
W9WB

On Fri, Dec 23, 2016 at 11:05 AM, Arv Evans arvid.evans@... [BITX20] <
BITX20@...> wrote:

>
>
> Roy
>
> My post did cover all the transformers, and all the inductors. It even
> told you that
> the trifilar (3-wires twisted together) wound cores were FT37-43 types and
> that the
> single wire inductors are on T37-6 cores. All transformers and all
> inductors except
> T5, T6, and T7 are used in both transmit and receive modes. T5, T6, and
> T7 are
> part of the RF PA transmit section, and are broadband or transmission-line
> transformers. They are wound exactly like the mixer transformers with 10
> turns of
> twisted wire on FT37-43 cores. There should be no guessing required to
> determine
> what these are and how they are wound.
>
> Kent
>
> The BITX-40 V3 design avoids having to align anything other than
> possibility the VFO
> to insure that it covers frequencies that are specific to your license
> class and your
> ITU region band designation. The L1, L2, L3 band pass filter is broad
> enough to cover
> the whole 7.0 to 7.3 MHz range. The mixer transformers and RF PA
> transformers are
> broadband transmission-line transformers which provide close to unity
> coupling over
> most of the HF range. The L6 and L7 low pass filter reduces harmonics and
> other
> spurious signals that are above 7.3 MHz. Only tuning you might need to
> optimize
> performance is some sort of ATU to insure that your antenna presents a 50
> ohm impedance
> to the BITX-40 v3 antenna connection.
>
> There is some question about your glued-together L2 core. If the broken
> and
> repaired core still exhibits the same inductance as it did before being
> broken all should
> work fine. Possible problem though is if the glue introduces a gap in the
> core material
> it may affect the inductance, even if this gap is small. Replacing this
> core and its
> winding with a new and intact 6uh inductor should restore things to
> normal. If you
> have built a simple RF Detector probe you can measure transmit drive level
> to the
> RF PA section at low end of 40M and again at high end of 40M to see if
> signal levels
> are nearly the same. Use any voltage difference to calculate the db
> (decibel) difference
> which should be less than a couple of db.
>
> ?Arv K7HKL
> _._
> ?
>
>
> On Fri, Dec 23, 2016 at 4:11 AM, Kent Vanderploeg kvanderploeg@...
> [BITX20] <BITX20@...> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> So while I wait on replacement parts for L2, I'm trying to get some
>> learning experience out of the radio. I superglued L2 back together and it
>> looks pretty good, though I'm sure it's not ideal. I have been able to
>> hear some CW about 1/3 of the way of the tuning range.
>>
>> I set up my FT-450D to listen and began transmitting on the BITX very
>> near the frequency where I heard the CW. It appears that my range is off
>> as the transmitting frequency at approx. 1/3 up the tuning range is
>> 7.006MHz. Is there a simple process to align the TX with the SSB portion
>> of the band? I don't have any test gear other than a VOM and other
>> transceivers.
>>
>> I'm sure this info is listed somewhere else in the Yahoo groups, but I
>> have no idea how to find it. I'm used to standard forums where info is
>> much more readily readable and searchable.
>>
>> Kent
>> W9WB
>>
>> On Dec 22, 2016 2:27 PM, "rjinspace@... [BITX20]" <
>> BITX20@...> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Arv.
>>>
>>> Well, your writings cover the RX, but not the PA transformers T5, T6 and
>>> T7 in
>>>
>>> And it does not matter if I use a BITX20 v.3 PA PCB or a breadboard or
>>> whatever - the whole point is that I cut and add traces / jumpers in order
>>> to replicate the PA circuit in
>>> _circuit.pdf. But the schematic as it is now is useless because one has
>>> to guess that T5, T6 and T7 are transmission line transformers 10 turns
>>> bifilar on FT37-43 or FT50-43? And the predriver and driver could be 28AWG
>>> wire, but the output transformer should maybe use a thicker wire.
>>>
>>> But I am now out of here. I have wasted enough time. IMO - the ONLY
>>> solution is that ALL INDUCTORS AND TRANSFORMERS are specified IN THE
>>> SCHEMATIC. Schematics that can not be built without guessing are not for me.
>>>
>>> Just my opinion and choice - of course. Others may be fine guessing and
>>> experimenting.
>>>
>>> Thanks again Arv for your kind help.
>>>
>>> Roy
>>>
>>
>
>





Re: Entrepreneurs, the BITX 40, and Rupees

 

thanks for writing in, I couldn't get your handle from the mail, so do excuse me for improper address! I think you have raised from valid points. I think it is important that everybody understands what tried to do, what we did and where we are now.

this is going to be a long and full of personal details that i didn't consider to be of any interest to the group and hence it was kept out. but i guess, i need to let a few cats out of the bag.

i am retired, early. i had a modestly successful run in a few businesses but i had promised myself to retire from active work, which i did around five years ago. i no longer run any for-profit businesses. most of my investment goes into 'stuff that matters'. i founded a libera cultural space in hyderabad, i am a partner in a strategic venture fund that promotes technologies that are important rather than profitable. neither ehsan nor i are any longer running anything full time. i do mentor some startups now and then but never as an investor.

i would be only too glad if someone else takes over the entire hfsigs approach. the design has been out in the open for more than a decade. apparently, it doesn't make economic sense to make them at $45 dollars a pop. so, there is nothing preventing others 'creaming the market' if they want to. surely, the turnover is modest but it is not profitable.

it is fallacy that India is cheap. In Hyderabad, a modest apartment will cost you over 250K USD.? An independent house in a reasonable area goes for a million USD. A gallon of gas will costs you more than 5 dollars. smart people are hired by facebook, google and microsoft. they have a big a presence here as in the valley and seattle. there is no healthcare, all education is privatized and has to be paid. there is no social welfare. the multinationals they pay top dollar and that drives the living index up, not down. a quick indicator is that only 7% of the population of Hyderabad moves in cars and taxis and they account for 85% of the traffic congestion. our purpose is not provide the women who work low wages, but respectable wages. but i am getting ahead of myself...

Two years ago, our local club conducted India's annual hamfest. As a part of the delegates kit, Ehsan and I decided to put free BITX PCBs in the kit. These were done without any commercial interest. At this time, the hamfest was still short of money, so we decided to buy the back page ad of the souvenier to help them with the money. I had to put in something in as text, I decided to put a message in the name of HF signals (which was the name of the wiki that is still up at ). We distributed a 1000 PCBs for free. Only a few turned up on Air. It was time to do something.

Later, in 2015, I decided to conduct a workshop to help those interested in assembling the PCBs. asked them to get the components off the local shops and we settled down to do it. i discovered that a seemingly simply job of scrapping the enamel off a copper wire would take them hours and often they'd end up doing it the wrong way. the PCBs were badly designed too. we aborted the attempt. i had learnt something : homebrewing cant be taught in a day. first fail.

i also figured that it might be easier to begin with something that is already working and then start modifying it. something that happens in open source all the time. so,i sat down and designed a new single side pcb .. with through-holes, on Express Pcb. we turned up 100 boards, found a group of five young girls who were laid off after the unit where they worked to assemble TVs had closed down. showed them how to assemble the boards. they made quite a few mistakes. the transformer windings got mixed up, resistors got swapped, the transistors were inverted, etc. each board was an adventure. you can probably see some pictures of these boards floating around. they were cheap to produce. the actual component cost of the bitx is ridiculously low. it cost us about 1000 rupees in components, another two hundred for the assembly and testing and a hundred bucks to ship it. we rounded it off to Rs.1500. About 100 of them were sold. it gave me nightmares. each board took an hour or more to fix. i decided not to do it at all. we rolled up the operations after a while. second time, fail.

by now, i had given up on doing anything with bitx boards. but a conversation with convinced me that SMD might be the way to go. we looked around and found a local SMD shop that agreed to do small runs for us. the smd components are much more expensive in india. we decided to keep the more expensive components like crystals, electrolytics in through hole format. i had to learn kicad. the women were now retrained to do the windings, insertion of through hole components and two rounds of testing. the component cost was at Rs.1500, another Rs.200 to the SMD insertion machine, Rs.200 for through hole insertion, testing. add another Rs.100 for packing and Rs.100 for local posting. we were selling these for Rs.2400 inside india and 45 dollars (a few hundred more to cover the additional expense of international postage) outside.

now, we come to the packing and shipping saga. the DHL/Speed Post quoted above Rs.1500 for shipping it internationally. that would be nearly 60% of the board's sale price. instead, we looked at the ordinary postal service. so, we bought some amazon shipping cartons, assuming that these must be good enough for us as well and shipped some boards to friends around the world. we shipped five of them with the boards in bubble wrap. all fo them arrived in good shape. we rolled with this. WE USED BUBBLE WRAP. When we started actual shipping, we realized that the bubble wrap wouldn't prevent the carton from collapsing. the coils were getting damaged. we needed some kind of a stiff roof over the board so the box's sides wouldn't collapse down. That's when we started using the foam plate over the board. The foam provides a physical shield for the coils. The foam + the amazon cartons worked for a while. Then, we ran out of cartons.?

Diwali is the christmas equivalent in India, the packing materials just disappeared from the market. we looked around and bought some other cardboard gift box. we sent them out as gifts to another set of people, they reported no problems, so we continued with those. after a while, we started getting complains about those boxes as well. then, we started looking around for something else.

we found these plastic boxes to be sturdy. we tossed them around, shipped them to a few volunteers around the globe and finally agreed that these were holding up. so we continued with these boxes. these boxes are costly. they are not 'cheap'. i am personally averse to using plastic, but we thought that these were the best for the purpose. if anyone has a better idea, do test it out and let us know. we are always glad to accept anything better.

2.) Secondly, components and PCBs in the Indian market are generally available at a lower cost, sometimes much lower, than components purchased from prime US suppliers such as Mouser, Newark, etc. The US is one market, India is another. That's the way it works. Components even cheaper than these:

we buy our toroids from w8diz. these are genuine micrometal parts. the pcb is of high quality made to ISO-9000 standards. we import components from mouser. the only thing that we do on the 'cheap' is that we use microprocessor grade crystals that we sort out manually.
?

What's the current serial numbering up to as of December. Anyone know? It was #465 in early December. 465 units multiplied by $45 USD is about $21,000 USD. That converted to INR has the purchasing power in India of $70,000 USD here in the US. That's a lot of bread.

we have shipped 1000 boards. we got 45,000 dollars in revenue and we have not yet recovered our expenses. i have provided you with the figures. add them up. ?as i said above there are far easier ways to follow to make money than bother with these boards. that's why no one else is doing it. the design is in open source anyway.?
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What's my point?


Seems like with that kind of wealth in play:


1.) The product could be double-boxed and well bubble-wrapped so it arrives undamaged after it's 12,500+ km trip from Hyderabad. Old candy boxes or scraps of waste paper taped together just isn't doing the job. Broken product means unhappy customers and a bad reputation.

as i said, bubble wrap didn't work. there will be enough people here to vouch for that. we did try it.
?

2.) The single schematic that represents the functionality of the product could be up-to-date and error-free.

this is the schematic that was used to produce the PCB. where are the errors?
?

And for totally optional bonus points: A section by section Theory of Operation write-up that explains exactly how all the sections operate and how to troubleshoot. If a template is needed, look at vintage HP test instrument manuals or Heathkit ham radio transceiver manuals. Hint: Saying that, "It's all been explained many times before on many forums, Google it." does not get any points.?

surely, it could be done. probably it is already done. bitx happens to be most well documented radio now. it is a community effort. look at? and soldersmoke and arv's work and the large amount of stuff in the file section of the bitx group and you will realize that more people know, understand and write about bitx than a proprietory manual might contain. if you think it is lacking, go ahead and write some more documentation.

oh, btw, Ehsan is not an Ayn Rand supporter. He is a radically liberal guy who is more at home with the socialists at lamakaan than the suits of the software gang.
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- f

Doesn't seem too much to ask, does it?


Paradigm E-commerce Pvt. Ltd

For the curious consumer, more info:



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Better Filter Please

 

very high QRM!
@ BITX designers, for noise abatement why not add-on a HIGH PASS FILTER?


Re: Additional Power Amp?

 

On 27/11/2016, Ashhar Farhan farhanbox@... [BITX20]
<BITX20@...> wrote:
p output
thanks Farhan, learned a lot from you. Sir U like mentor...

On 27-Nov-2016 11:46 am, "Sandeep Lohia sandeeplohia12@... [BITX20]"
<
BITX20@...> wrote:



Pardon but,
2P being power our or power in?


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Please encourage recycling, reuse or repairing of E-waste.
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Re: Entrepreneurs, the BITX 40, and Rupees

 

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Besides this it was packed in a fibre enforced envelope.?

Ron-PA3FAT

Sent from my iPhone

On 24 Dec 2016, at 10:14, qrpbuilder@... [BITX20] <BITX20@...> wrote:

?

>My BITX40 arrived last Thursday in a plastic box with foam holding the board in place
>inside.
Not sure if this current practice but think this was well packaged.

Can you post photos of the box and packaging? Maybe it's getting better. You can upload to an image hoster like and post the links here. Super easy.


Re: Entrepreneurs, the BITX 40, and Rupees

 

>My BITX40 arrived last Thursday in a plastic box with foam holding the board in place
>inside.
Not sure if this current practice but think this was well packaged.

Can you post photos of the box and packaging? Maybe it's getting better. You can upload to an image hoster like and post the links here. Super easy.


Thank you Ashhar

 

Hello Ashhar Farhan,

I will thank you for the nice time i spent and still do, with the BITX-40.
The last time i read a lot off negative info about? all this.
Those people do not understand the joy this BITX-40 gives.!!!!

Many thanks for all the joy it gives, keep up the good work.
Merry Christmas and a Happy new Year.

Best 73, Aeilko PA3GBK
Greetings from Holland.



Re: Entrepreneurs, the BITX 40, and Rupees

 

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My BITX40 arrived last Thursday in a plastic box with foam holding the board in place in side.

Not sure if this current practice but think this was well packaged.

?

Ron ¨C PA3FAT

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Van: BITX20@... [mailto:BITX20@...]
Verzonden: 24 December, 2016 09:12
Aan: BITX20@...
Onderwerp: [BITX20] Re: Entrepreneurs, the BITX 40, and Rupees

?

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>I wouldn't be the least surprised to learn he makes nothing on the project at all.

Maybe, maybe not. Not my business. I'll stick to my point, with yearly gross sales of 1.4 million Indian rupees and sales soaring, Paradigm E-commerce Pvt. Ltd needs to ship the rig in packaging that can reasonably be expected to survive the mail, and to clean up the single-page schematic so it shows the correct transformers, core types, wire sizes, capacitor dielectric type, etc. for current and future reference. (You know that 20 years from now we'll still see these radios come up for sale on eBay and people will say, "Why doesn't the schematic match the rig?")

Either that or increase the price for overseas shipment to cover the cost of two new corrugated cardboard boxes and a couple of square feet of bubble wrap. Ask the owners of the BITX-40's that arrived crushed and DOA if they would have paid $3 more to upgrade the packaging so their rigs arrived in one piece and functional from the factory. Seems like a no-brainer. Let the customer choose the risk level they're comfortable with and either upgrade the packaging or not.

The British MKARS80 BITX derivative has a very nice version-controlled manual at . They don't make much, if any, money on it and ship it around the world. Why can't the Paradigm E-commerce BITX-40 have a PDF manual with Theory of Operation, parts list, and trouble shooting section?

I asked in a separate thread that Farhan upload the KiCAD schematic file so the user community can easily edit the schematic without having to re-enter it from scratch. This would also encourage home-brewing the design as well as derivative works.


Re: Entrepreneurs, the BITX 40, and Rupees

 

>Regarding Ayn Rand, I was once an admirer of her novels and philosophy myself. Then I turned sixteen. I began to see human realities and moral values as more than black-or-white, "A is A" juvenalia.

Oh, missed that poke over Ayn Rand. I have some small knowledge of Rand and her philosophy, just as I'm familiar with a few other notable persons of history. I never bought any of her hogwash. That ol' gal was one creepy human. Her literary corpus seemed to be created just to justify and support her psychopathy.

My interest and reading this year centered around Augustine of Hippo. I'm sure you're familiar with him.


Re: Entrepreneurs, the BITX 40, and Rupees

 

>I wouldn't be the least surprised to learn he makes nothing on the project at all.

Maybe, maybe not. Not my business. I'll stick to my point, with yearly gross sales of 1.4 million Indian rupees and sales soaring, Paradigm E-commerce Pvt. Ltd needs to ship the rig in packaging that can reasonably be expected to survive the mail, and to clean up the single-page schematic so it shows the correct transformers, core types, wire sizes, capacitor dielectric type, etc. for current and future reference. (You know that 20 years from now we'll still see these radios come up for sale on eBay and people will say, "Why doesn't the schematic match the rig?")

Either that or increase the price for overseas shipment to cover the cost of two new corrugated cardboard boxes and a couple of square feet of bubble wrap. Ask the owners of the BITX-40's that arrived crushed and DOA if they would have paid $3 more to upgrade the packaging so their rigs arrived in one piece and functional from the factory. Seems like a no-brainer. Let the customer choose the risk level they're comfortable with and either upgrade the packaging or not.

The British MKARS80 BITX derivative has a very nice version-controlled manual at . They don't make much, if any, money on it and ship it around the world. Why can't the Paradigm E-commerce BITX-40 have a PDF manual with Theory of Operation, parts list, and trouble shooting section?

I asked in a separate thread that Farhan upload the KiCAD schematic file so the user community can easily edit the schematic without having to re-enter it from scratch. This would also encourage home-brewing the design as well as derivative works.


Re: A few thoughts and observations re. BITX-40v3

 

Arv,

You might as well change the name of this group to BITX for all version!

73 Raj vu2zap

At 24-12-2016, you wrote:

?

The BITX20 discussion group is now growing at a speed that equals what it
did in the early days of BITX20 design and construction.???? I am seeing 5 to
20 new members added almost every day.???? Most of this growth is due to
availability of the new BITX-40v3 from .


Re: Yeah! No!

 

C95 missing will only send your tuning range higher. I would guess that all units shipped to US will not have it!
VU 40M = 7.0 to 7.2 for all modes
US 40M = 7.1-7.3 for SSB - I hope this is right!

73 Raj vu2zap

At 24-12-2016, you wrote:

?

Looking at this board more, and I'm just getting more dejected. I just
noticed that what appears to be C95 is missing. Is it supposed to be? I'm
about ready to throw this thing in the trash. What a waste of time and
money...

?€?
Kent
W9WB

On Fri, Dec 23, 2016 at 11:05 AM, Arv Evans arvid.evans@... [BITX20] <
BITX20@...> wrote:

>
>
> Roy
>
> My post did cover all the transformers, and all the inductors. It even
> told you that
> the trifilar (3-wires twisted together) wound cores were FT37-43 types and
> that the
> single wire inductors are on T37-6 cores. All transformers and all
> inductors except
> T5, T6, and T7 are used in both transmit and receive modes. T5, T6, and
> T7 are
> part of the RF PA transmit section, and are broadband or transmission-line
> transformers. They are wound exactly like the mixer transformers with 10
> turns of
> twisted wire on FT37-43 cores. There should be no guessing required to
> determine
> what these are and how they are wound.
>
> Kent
>
> The BITX-40 V3 design avoids having to align anything other than
> possibility the VFO
> to insure that it covers frequencies that are specific to your license
> class and your
> ITU region band designation. The L1, L2, L3 band pass filter is broad
> enough to cover
> the whole 7.0 to 7.3 MHz range. The mixer transformers and RF PA
> transformers are
> broadband transmission-line transformers which provide close to unity
> coupling over
> most of the HF range. The L6 and L7 low pass filter reduces harmonics and
> other
> spurious signals that are above 7.3 MHz. Only tuning you might need to
> optimize
> performance is some sort of ATU to insure that your antenna presents a 50
> ohm impedance
> to the BITX-40 v3 antenna connection.
>
> There is some question about your glued-together L2 core. If the broken
> and
> repaired core still exhibits the same inductance as it did before being
> broken all should
> work fine. Possible problem though is if the glue introduces a gap in the
> core material
> it may affect the inductance, even if this gap is small. Replacing this
> core and its
> winding with a new and intact 6uh inductor should restore things to
> normal. If you
> have built a simple RF Detector probe you can measure transmit drive level
> to the
> RF PA section at low end of 40M and again at high end of 40M to see if
> signal levels
> are nearly the same. Use any voltage difference to calculate the db
> (decibel) difference
> which should be less than a couple of db.
>
> ?€?Arv K7HKL
> _._
> ?€?
>
>
> On Fri, Dec 23, 2016 at 4:11 AM, Kent Vanderploeg kvanderploeg@...
> [BITX20] wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> So while I wait on replacement parts for L2, I'm trying to get some
>> learning experience out of the radio. I superglued L2 back together and it
>> looks pretty good, though I'm sure it's not ideal. I have been able to
>> hear some CW about 1/3 of the way of the tuning range.
>>
>> I set up my FT-450D to listen and began transmitting on the BITX very
>> near the frequency where I heard the CW. It appears that my range is off
>> as the transmitting frequency at approx. 1/3 up the tuning range is
>> 7.006MHz. Is there a simple process to align the TX with the SSB portion
>> of the band? I don't have any test gear other than a VOM and other
>> transceivers.
>>
>> I'm sure this info is listed somewhere else in the Yahoo groups, but I
>> have no idea how to find it. I'm used to standard forums where info is
>> much more readily readable and searchable.
>>
>> Kent
>> W9WB
>>
>> On Dec 22, 2016 2:27 PM, "rjinspace@... [BITX20]" <
>> BITX20@...> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Arv.
>>>
>>> Well, your writings cover the RX, but not the PA transformers T5, T6 and
>>> T7 in
>>>
>>> And it does not matter if I use a BITX20 v.3 PA PCB or a breadboard or
>>> whatever - the whole point is that I cut and add traces / jumpers in order
>>> to replicate the PA circuit in
>>> _circuit.pdf. But the schematic as it is now is useless because one has
>>> to guess that T5, T6 and T7 are transmission line transformers 10 turns
>>> bifilar on FT37-43 or FT50-43? And the predriver and driver could be 28AWG
>>> wire, but the output transformer should maybe use a thicker wire.
>>>
>>> But I am now out of here. I have wasted enough time. IMO - the ONLY
>>> solution is that ALL INDUCTORS AND TRANSFORMERS are specified IN THE
>>> SCHEMATIC. Schematics that can not be built without guessing are not for me.
>>>
>>> Just my opinion and choice - of course. Others may be fine guessing and
>>> experimenting.
>>>
>>> Thanks again Arv for your kind help.
>>>
>>> Roy
>>>
>>
>
>




Re: Entrepreneurs, the BITX 40, and Rupees

 

?On Fri, Dec 23, 2016 at 10:28 PM, qrpbuilder@... [BITX20] <BITX20@...> wrote:

>> A seller offers a product, I can evaluate the product and if I judge that product to be of sufficient value to me to be worth the cost, I may buy it . . . Farhan's business partner Ehsanuddin is an Ayn Rand admirer so I'm fairly certain he would agree with me on that one.<<

?There are a large number of enthusiastic buyers of the BitX40 for whom this is not just a "product" being marketed and bought with only exchange values in mind. Many are pleased that after more than ten years of offering the BitX design to the world free of charge? that Farhan might be getting some compensation, though I don't think it's much since he is employing people needing work--people who may or may not benefit from the low cost of living you claim. I wouldn't be the least surprised to learn he makes nothing on the project at all.

Regarding Ayn Rand, I was once an admirer of her novels and philosophy myself. Then I turned sixteen. I began to see human realities and moral values as more than black-or-white, "A is A" juvenalia.

Todd
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Re: Bitx40 varactor tuning/tuning dial?

Mvs Sarma
 

Perhaps the counter can be used sparingly and later switched OFF to have clean HF environment

sarma
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