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Re: Poor RX sensitivity, no RF out - #v3 #ubitx #ubitx-help

 

Pat and Bill..,
you are temptimg me :-)
I have some old 2N2222 with metal case, gold in colour... That one should look like nice, a giant in the Lilliput town of the smd population :-)
Me too, I thing installing a couple of protection diodes is a good idea. Will do.
Cheers
Jep


Re: Poor RX sensitivity, no RF out - #v3 #ubitx #ubitx-help

 

Bill I replaced Q90 on top of the board after removing the 2N3904. I just shortened the leads and bent them to fit the pads before tack soldering it in.

Skip Davis, NC9O

On May 13, 2020, at 11:05, Bill Cromwell <wrcromwell@...> wrote:

?Hi Pat,

I already know I have the Q90 problem with mine. I think the 2N2222 is a bit more robust but will install the protection diodes too. I haven't looked in mine..did you install the replacement on the bottom of the board or in the vacated spot left by the original part?

I will do the repair as soon as I locate my fire axe so I can remove the bad part.

73,

Bill KU8H

On 5/13/20 10:54 AM, pat griffin wrote:
The same thing happened to me a few years ago and I used a 2n2222 non SMD. It worked fine and I think it is still in there.
73, Pat AA4PG


Re: Poor RX sensitivity, no RF out - #v3 #ubitx #ubitx-help

 

Ray,
Voltages are 12V on Collector and 0.5V, the same on Base and Emitter. So the Base-Emitter junction is shorted and that should explain not only the missing of RF-out, but also the reduced sensitivity of the receiver.
Thank you, again, have a good night, I wish you all the best
Jep


Re: Poor RX sensitivity, no RF out - #v3 #ubitx #ubitx-help

 

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Bill,
I think I installed it on the top so it looks like a water tank in a midwestern town hovering above the smd parts.? Bend the ends of the 2n2222 legs into little circles at right angles to the legs and solder those feet to the pads.
My wife took my fire axe away years ago.? Something about scaring the kids' friends.
73, Pat AA4PG

Pat Griffin
http://www.cahabatechnology.com/aa4pg.html


From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of Bill Cromwell <wrcromwell@...>
Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2020 9:02 AM
To: [email protected] <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [BITX20] Poor RX sensitivity, no RF out - #v3 #ubitx #ubitx-help
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Hi Pat,

I already know I have the Q90 problem with mine. I think the 2N2222 is a
bit more robust but will install the protection diodes too. I haven't
looked in mine..did you install the replacement on the bottom of the
board or in the vacated spot left by the original part?

I will do the repair as soon as I locate my fire axe so I can remove the
bad part.

73,

Bill? KU8H

On 5/13/20 10:54 AM, pat griffin wrote:
> The same thing happened to me a few years ago and I used a 2n2222 non
> SMD.? It worked fine and I think it is still in there.
> 73, Pat AA4PG
>
> Pat Griffin
>

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Re: Poor RX sensitivity, no RF out - #v3 #ubitx #ubitx-help

 

Hi Pat,

I already know I have the Q90 problem with mine. I think the 2N2222 is a bit more robust but will install the protection diodes too. I haven't looked in mine..did you install the replacement on the bottom of the board or in the vacated spot left by the original part?

I will do the repair as soon as I locate my fire axe so I can remove the bad part.

73,

Bill KU8H

On 5/13/20 10:54 AM, pat griffin wrote:
The same thing happened to me a few years ago and I used a 2n2222 non SMD.? It worked fine and I think it is still in there.
73, Pat AA4PG
Pat Griffin
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bark less - wag more


Re: Poor RX sensitivity, no RF out - #v3 #ubitx #ubitx-help

 

Jepp,

I cant let you go before I sleep peacefully! What was the TX voltages of Q90?

Raj

At 13/05/2020, you wrote:
Bingo!
Raj, David and Jonas you are right! Q90 on my ubitx seems to be blown!


Re: Poor RX sensitivity, no RF out - #v3 #ubitx #ubitx-help

 

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The same thing happened to me a few years ago and I used a 2n2222 non SMD.? It worked fine and I think it is still in there.
73, Pat AA4PG

Pat Griffin
http://www.cahabatechnology.com/aa4pg.html


From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of Jep <giuseppe.cavarretta@...>
Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2020 8:45 AM
To: [email protected] <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [BITX20] Poor RX sensitivity, no RF out - #v3 #ubitx #ubitx-help
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Bingo!
Raj, David and Jonas you are right! Q90 on my ubitx seems to be blown!
The multimeter shows about 230 ohm on the junctions. I did not yet check the voltages but I did this:
Using a short wire and two thin pins I just touched the Base of Q90 and the cursor of RV1, thus I bypassed Q90: then pressing the key some RF out from the PA immediately pop-up nicely!?
Thank you all my friends for the kind and smart expertize!

Now, to complete the job the matter is...: I do not have a 2N3904 SMD at hand. Should I order it online or install an ordinary 2N2222 (non SMD) instead?
Well... I do not urge to have the ubitx?working tonight, so it is certainly best to wait and do a proper job.?
In the meanwhile, just to fill the present boring days, I will play with a single-tube xtal transmitter 1938-style :-)

Let me add a comment:
This is the first time I asked for help on this Group and I have been delighted by the quick, very kind and smart response of so many friends that helped getting out of trouble.
Truly amazing.
Thank you all from my deep heart.
Best regards
Jep, IZ0WIT


Re: Poor RX sensitivity, no RF out - #v3 #ubitx #ubitx-help

 

Bingo!
Raj, David and Jonas you are right! Q90 on my ubitx seems to be blown!
The multimeter shows about 230 ohm on the junctions. I did not yet check the voltages but I did this:
Using a short wire and two thin pins I just touched the Base of Q90 and the cursor of RV1, thus I bypassed Q90: then pressing the key some RF out from the PA immediately pop-up nicely!?
Thank you all my friends for the kind and smart expertize!

Now, to complete the job the matter is...: I do not have a 2N3904 SMD at hand. Should I order it online or install an ordinary 2N2222 (non SMD) instead?
Well... I do not urge to have the ubitx?working tonight, so it is certainly best to wait and do a proper job.?
In the meanwhile, just to fill the present boring days, I will play with a single-tube xtal transmitter 1938-style :-)

Let me add a comment:
This is the first time I asked for help on this Group and I have been delighted by the quick, very kind and smart response of so many friends that helped getting out of trouble.
Truly amazing.
Thank you all from my deep heart.
Best regards
Jep, IZ0WIT


Re: uBitx V4 for sale

 

OK
I'll take it - pics would be good before I transfer the money?

73
Lou KI5FTY



On Wed, May 13, 2020 at 9:21 AM John Veach <ke4d@...> wrote:
Lou, one works and the other is just the main board ? I think I blew the Radiuno on that one but I haven¡¯t messed with it in a long time. ? Just worked a guy on 20 cw with the other one yesterday. He was in NM and I am in Fl so it works FB cw. Never hooked up a mike to it. ? Email is ke4d@.... I can send you pics etc. also Paypal is best. Same address.?


Re: uBitx V4 for sale

 

If they are working units - I will take it

73
Lou KI5FTY



On Wed, May 13, 2020 at 9:05 AM John Veach <ke4d@...> wrote:
I have two V4 that are surplus to my needs. (V6 arriving this week). One with a Nextion display running KD8CEC software if I remember correctly that I use on CW only. I did put a four pin mike connector in the case but never acquired a microphone for it. Never hooked up the straight key jack just a paddle for cw. It¡¯s in an aluminum case I got from SkyCraft in Orlando and also has a 12 v fan built in. I will throw in the other V4 which has no display and I haven¡¯t looked at it for a while!? Going to list on QRZ but wanted to put them here first.? Will ship both U.S.A. for $100 ?


Re: Poor RX sensitivity, no RF out - #v3 #ubitx #ubitx-help

 

I used another transmitter close to my v3 and blew q90.
Replaced q90 and all was good. Dave? kc2ipx

On Wed, May 13, 2020 at 9:18 AM Raj vu2zap <rajendrakumargg@...> wrote:
Also check Q90 EBC voltages. We have to eliminate a possible short of Q90 EB junction.

Raj

At 13/05/2020, you wrote:
>That you Ray, I will do that immediately.
>Jep





Re: Poor RX sensitivity, no RF out - #v3 #ubitx #ubitx-help

 

Also check Q90 EBC voltages. We have to eliminate a possible short of Q90 EB junction.

Raj

At 13/05/2020, you wrote:
That you Ray, I will do that immediately.
Jep


Re: Poor RX sensitivity, no RF out - #v3 #ubitx #ubitx-help

 

That you Ray, I will do that immediately.
Jep


Re: Poor RX sensitivity, no RF out - #v3 #ubitx #ubitx-help

 

Just for info, now I completed the re-soldering of all the thru-hole joints of the ubitx board. But the problems remained unchanged.
So..., I must argue it is time to check individual transistors and diodes, starting from the front-end as suggested by Jonas.

As already briefly mentioned, here at my "marine" location some 50 km North of Rome I only have a digital multimeter instrument, and by now (due to pandemia lock-down) there is no chance to move to Rome and access an oscilloscope or whatsoever... Let's consider that an exercise for emergency conditions: Use more the brain instead of sofisticated instruments :-).
Cheers
Jep


Re: Poor RX sensitivity, no RF out - #v3 #ubitx #ubitx-help

 

This tells me the issue is with L1-4 T1 T2 or mixer diodes. check R100-103 for value and solder.

Raj

At 13/05/2020, you wrote:
Yes, it is exactly so.... so it is confirmed no RF reach the PA while I push the key in CW or speak on the microphone.
Jep


Re: Poor RX sensitivity, no RF out - #v3 #ubitx #ubitx-help

 

Yes, it is exactly so.... so it is confirmed no RF reach the PA while I push the key in CW or speak on the microphone.
Jep


Re: Poor RX sensitivity, no RF out - #v3 #ubitx #ubitx-help

 

Well.... yes, this might have happened. I had some other 100W trx on the same desk before, so I cannot exclude some RF entered the ubitx while I was transmitting using something else. I have only a dipole, but the antenna-switch was common to three transceivers.
How could I check if Q90 and the diode bridge are fried?
Bests
Jep


Re: Poor RX sensitivity, no RF out - #v3 #ubitx #ubitx-help

 

Hi Dave,
no, it is not 6A.... it is just 0.6A which I think is the idling current on transmit (it is 0.12A on receive). When I press down the key or speak on the microphone it remains the same, which means no RF at all arrives to the PA input.
My ubitx V3 has been not modified at all, I only added an audio filter for CW and a CW keyer: these are separate boards not affecting at all the ubtix main board. Such add-ons have been working for long time before the present problem surfaced.
73
Jep


Re: Poor RX sensitivity, no RF out - #v3 #ubitx #ubitx-help

 

It's 0.6A which is correct with no modulation!

Raj

At 13/05/2020, you wrote:

6 amps is not normal on key down. Normal is something like 2+ amps.

What caused it to change? Did you modify the unit in any way from when it worked till when it didn't work.
Did you transmit locally on another radio with the ubitx on?

73
Dave


Re: Poor RX sensitivity, no RF out - #v3 #ubitx #ubitx-help

 

Or even connected to a nearby antenna while transmitting on another radio?? It doesn't have to be turned on for Q90 and the 1st mixer diodes (D1 & D2) to be fried. I know this from experience... :-)?
The symptoms I had match yours (perhaps minus the 6Amps, but I don't?think I measured so cannot say for sure)

Regards,
Jonas - SM4VEY

Den ons 13 maj 2020 kl 13:15 skrev _Dave_ AD0B <davesters@...>:

6 amps is not normal on key down. Normal is something like 2+ amps.?

What caused it to change? Did you modify the unit in any way from when it worked till when it didn't work.
Did you transmit locally on another radio with the ubitx on?

73
Dave


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