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Re: CW or not to CW?

Buck
 

Collins injected an audio tone into the mic input. or so I have been told. Is this as easy as hooking your code oscillator to the mic input?

Buck, k4ia
Honor Roll
8BDXCC

On 2/20/2017 7:27 PM, John Smith via Groups.Io wrote:
Has anyone succeeded with adding CW properly? I have seen several
possibilities on here, but no working examples. If yes, how did you do
it? Or is it just impractical, like making milk from chalk and water? I
was planning to at least inject a tone from a simple circuit for antenna
tuning. But I took down my friends G5RV jr. in favor of a better 40
meter only dipole. No tuner needed for either end of the band. A 20 watt
BITX CW signal could be a lot more successful than my MFJ-9240 CW
transceiver which is about 6-7 watts, and works great for QRP.

I am sure a narrow audio filter switched in, would be helpful for
focusing on a signal. But how do you put a signal smack on the tuned
frequency without rebuilding the whole thing?

On a side note, I used my tablet to generate a 1khz tone, and held the
mic to the tablet speaker to check the SWR while adjusting the antenna
tuner. Worked great when I had that other antenna up.


Re: CW or not to CW?

 

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John
U may want to check W5KUB group on Facebook. Tom Merlin post his design yesterday

Art

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On Feb 20, 2017, at 7:27 PM, John Smith via Groups.Io <johnlinux77@...> wrote:

Has anyone succeeded with adding CW properly? I have seen several possibilities on here, but no working examples. If yes, how did you do it? Or is it just impractical, like making milk from chalk and water? I was planning to at least inject a tone from a simple circuit for antenna tuning. But I took down my friends G5RV jr. in favor of a better 40 meter only dipole. No tuner needed for either end of the band. A 20 watt BITX CW signal could be a lot more successful than my MFJ-9240 CW transceiver which is about 6-7 watts, and works great for QRP. ??

I am sure a narrow audio filter switched in, would be helpful for focusing on a signal. But how do you put a signal smack on the tuned frequency without rebuilding the whole thing?

On a side note, I used my tablet to generate a 1khz tone, and held the mic to the tablet speaker to check the SWR while adjusting the antenna tuner. Worked great when I had that other antenna up.


CW or not to CW?

 

Has anyone succeeded with adding CW properly? I have seen several possibilities on here, but no working examples. If yes, how did you do it? Or is it just impractical, like making milk from chalk and water? I was planning to at least inject a tone from a simple circuit for antenna tuning. But I took down my friends G5RV jr. in favor of a better 40 meter only dipole. No tuner needed for either end of the band. A 20 watt BITX CW signal could be a lot more successful than my MFJ-9240 CW transceiver which is about 6-7 watts, and works great for QRP. ??

I am sure a narrow audio filter switched in, would be helpful for focusing on a signal. But how do you put a signal smack on the tuned frequency without rebuilding the whole thing?

On a side note, I used my tablet to generate a 1khz tone, and held the mic to the tablet speaker to check the SWR while adjusting the antenna tuner. Worked great when I had that other antenna up.


Re: T4 core

 

Since it's not a frequency dependent circuit, you can probably use a FT37-43 with 10 turns trifilar.

73

Ken VA3ABN

On Mon, Feb 20, 2017 at 3:05 PM, Tom, SQ9DJE <tomasz@...> wrote:
my BITX-40 damaged T4 core is black, so I thought it was FT37-43, the diameter is the same, but the damaged is about 1mm thicker than FT37-43 ....
anyway i will try to do T4 on ?FT37-43 ....

thanks

Tom



Re: Unbalancing mixer

 

I use a 555 timer with RC filters in an altoids tin to produce a 1khz 100mv p-p signal into the mike connector. It works quite well on another rig and I'll try it on the Bitx40. More than likely won't be a problem.

73

Ken VA3ABN

On Mon, Feb 20, 2017 at 2:09 PM, iapizloj <jon.iza@...> wrote:
If the purpose is to create a carrier for tuning purposes, a much easier to implement solution may be the generation of an audio tone with the Nano, injecting it into the mike input.
For really picky people about a square wave, an LC filter may transform it into a nice sinewave one. That is what Steve KD1JV made for his MBDC design, a very wise solution.
jon, ea2sn



Re: KB1GMX on the BITX

 

Look for "BITX20 F8VOA" on page 1.

Also "BITX40 py0ohh" on page 2.

john
AD5YE


Re: KB1GMX on the BITX

Mark Underkofler
 

I've looked for the "F8VOA folder in the "Files" section and don't see it?


Re: KB1GMX on the BITX

 

Thanks Marc. I figured you and Miguel would be the first to commend
and recommend that she has to say.

Ladies and gentlemen, if you want to see what has been accomplished
by "noodling" about the BITX and all the mods that have come along
over the years, consult the F8VOA folder in the files section. Marc
provides all the information on making a better rig, including layout
and schematics. There is also a crackerjack dual IRF510 linear amp
in there. And a crystal ladder filter that Farhan did not use until the
Minima.

Miguel, PY2OOH, has a website that accomplishes that and more.
He and Marc were instrumental in adapting the Ham Radio India
DDS to the BITX. This showed the way for others to advance the
idea.

It is interesting to note that all the recent activity on this list is aimed
at accomplishing the same thing. Problems happen. People investigate
and find solutions. Then they share the solutions. That is one of the
main points about homebrew in general and the BITX in particular.
It is one of the aims of Farhan and so far has been very well accomplished.
Yes, there are a lot of noobies. Yes, there are a lot of repeats of what has
been done over the years...but that is good because it is getting you all to
think more about what you are doing. It is showcasing people like Jerry
and Jack who know one area well and benefit from the expertise in other areas
as they share what they know well. Keep it up. You're doing fine.

Thanks again, Allison.

john
AD5YE


Re: T4 core

 

For a broadband transformer, ferrite is better than powdered iron, though both
will work in one band.

You can use a FT-37-43 or FT-37-61 equally well.

For 40m, I should think a T-30-2 or T-37-2 (red) would be slightly better than a
T-37-6 (yellow) or a T-37-7 (white).

The Amidon site will give relative permeability figures so that you can figure out the
proper number of turns. It actually doesn't matter a whole lot for a broadband transformer.
Both ferrite transformers and both powdered iron transformers will have about the
same number of turns. The existing transformers provide your best clue as to how many
turns that is...

As always, experiment and record your results. See what works best and then figure
out why. That's one of the points of this rig, and yes, a proper schematic is vital. You
gotta know what goes where and what phasing is proper.

john
AD5YE


Tips n Mods updated

G4NQX
 

Just a couple of bits plus Allisons suggestions although this applies more to the homebrew variety.

Tips n Mods
--
Rob G4NQX


Re: T4 core

Tom, SQ9DJE
 

my BITX-40 damaged T4 core is black, so I thought it was FT37-43, the diameter is the same, but the damaged is about 1mm thicker than FT37-43 ....
anyway i will try to do T4 on ?FT37-43 ....

thanks

Tom


Re: T4 core

 

That's a broadband transformer. ?Either core should work fine, and they likely use what they got.

On Mon, Feb 20, 2017 at 11:20 am, Joel Caulkins wrote:

Arv's post says to use a T37-6, but both of mine came with T30-6 cores as seen in the picture.

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Re: KB1GMX on the BITX

 

Moving from the Schottky Bat54s back to the two non-schottky 1n4148's would require more drive, not less. ? Near as I can tell, those Bat54s diodes were a problem for W5KUB and for nobody else. ?Allison is referring to the diode ring mixer at D10,11,12,13, and I'm pretty sure is mostly concerned about receiving.

In post?/g/BITX20/message/22042? I gave my rather uninformed take on proper local oscillator injection level into that diode ring, suggesting 7dbm was appropriate for the 1n4148's. ?I can easily believe that 7dbm is appropriate for schottky diodes like the Bat54 but that the 1n4148's require significantly more drive. ?I have no idea how much drive they are currently getting, or how much they should get. ?If the 1n4148's are not getting driven hard enough, might be worth trying a couple Bat54s in that diode ring. ?Properly driven, the 1n4148's might give a larger dynamic range, though most of us wouldn't notice.

Allison mentions impedance matching at the diode ring as also being important, especially where the diode ring sends a signal into that IF amp at Q2 on receive. ?If Q2 presents 200 ohms to the mixer, then the amp at Q1 will see that same 200 ohms when driving the mixer. ?Allison suggests the mixer would perform better in a 50 ohm environment. ?Then higher drive from the local oscillator into the diode ring becomes more important, those diodes will need sufficient current to get them into a lower impedance part of their IR curve. ?Not obvious to me we care about matching impedances into the local oscillator port, I'd think the Si5351 3v pk-pk square wave through a series resistor and dc blocking cap might be sufficient.

Jerry, KE7ER

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On Mon, Feb 20, 2017 at 10:36 am, John Smith wrote:

So, what does this mean to the rest of us?

"The mixers using 1N914/4148 diodes are not level 7 mixers (nominal 7dbm drive) like commercial DBMs.
the reason for this is Schottky diodes have a lower turn on threshold than silicon junction diodes with the difference being .2V compared to .65V. This means you need more LO drive for the terminal impedance
of all ports to be 50 ohms. It also means they are higher level mixers by about 3db. So enough drive is important to intermod and overload." - Allison

Is this the part where Tom W5KUB "solved" the low TX power problem with taking the SMD dual diode off and replaced it with two regular diodes? It did seem to make a small difference. But not with the 1N60. Only after changing it again with 1N4148.

Is this what she is talking about here? I am not an engineer. So, is it saying lower turn on threshold helps driving the PA? Or is it higher?

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Re: T4 core

 

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Arv's post says to use a T37-6, but both of mine came with T30-6 cores as seen in the picture. The core on the left is a T37-6 and the core on the right is the one shipped with my BitX40 board.
image1.JPG



Joel?
KB6QVI

On Feb 20, 2017, at 11:13 AM, Jerry Gaffke via Groups.Io <jgaffke@...> wrote:

Check out Arv's post: ? /g/BITX20/message/19167

On Mon, Feb 20, 2017 at 10:57 am, Tom, SQ9DJE wrote:

Hello, I renew my question in another thread about what the core is the transformer T4.

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Re: T4 core

 

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Hi Tom,

It's a T30-6 yellow powdered core.

Joel?
KB6QVI

On Feb 20, 2017, at 10:57 AM, Tom, SQ9DJE <tomasz@...> wrote:

Hello, I renew my question in another thread about what the core is the transformer T4.

Unfortunately, my BITX40 came damaged T4 was lying horizontally and detached 2 wires, I suspect damage to the core .... I thought it was the core is FT37-43 but this, however, is different .... I can not find anywhere what is the type of core..

best regards

Tom


Re: T4 core

 

Check out Arv's post: ? /g/BITX20/message/19167

On Mon, Feb 20, 2017 at 10:57 am, Tom, SQ9DJE wrote:

Hello, I renew my question in another thread about what the core is the transformer T4.

?


Re: Unbalancing mixer

 

If the purpose is to create a carrier for tuning purposes, a much easier to implement solution may be the generation of an audio tone with the Nano, injecting it into the mike input.
For really picky people about a square wave, an LC filter may transform it into a nice sinewave one. That is what Steve KD1JV made for his MBDC design, a very wise solution.
jon, ea2sn


T4 core

Tom, SQ9DJE
 

Hello, I renew my question in another thread about what the core is the transformer T4.

Unfortunately, my BITX40 came damaged T4 was lying horizontally and detached 2 wires, I suspect damage to the core .... I thought it was the core is FT37-43 but this, however, is different .... I can not find anywhere what is the type of core..

best regards

Tom


Re: KB1GMX on the BITX

 

Thanks for posting Allison's info over here Jack. Based on this info and the other thread on this message board I tried the 19MHz VFO approach yesterday. I can report that it was very effective.?For reference, my?Bitx is scratch built with termination insensitive amps but overall it follows the latest Bitx40 architecture. I am using the Adafruit SI5351 board to generate VFO and BFO signals.

The rig has been a blast to operate?and the only non-ideal behavior?occured in the evening as?I was hearing CW and SW broadcasts in the phone band. It wasn't terrible, just enough to be a little annoying. The biggest offender was a?station in SC on 7.385 and a quick check of the numbers pointed to the 4th harmonic problem.

When I changed the VFO to 19MHz and moved the BFO to the other side of my IF filter I initially had poor carrier supression and a hollow sounding receiver. Adjusting the BFO down a little more took care of both problems?as expected. Last night I did not hear any SW stations in band that weren't also heard on my reference Kenwood. The big station from SC was booming in on 7.385 but not heard at all in our 40M band. I'm hopeful that the problem is solved. A few more nights of listening?should prove or disprove that.

I did not have the 7200 birdie with my VFO at 4.8MHz but I do have it now. That doesn't bother me though as I kind of avoid that frequency anyway.


Re: KB1GMX on the BITX

 

So, what does this mean to the rest of us?

"The mixers using 1N914/4148 diodes are not level 7 mixers (nominal 7dbm drive) like commercial DBMs.
the reason for this is Schottky diodes have a lower turn on threshold than silicon junction diodes with the difference being .2V compared to .65V. This means you need more LO drive for the terminal impedance
of all ports to be 50 ohms. It also means they are higher level mixers by about 3db. So enough drive is important to intermod and overload." - Allison

Is this the part where Tom W5KUB "solved" the low TX power problem with taking the SMD dual diode off and replaced it with two regular diodes? It did seem to make a small difference. But not with the 1N60. Only after changing it again with 1N4148.

Is this what she is talking about here? I am not an engineer. So, is it saying lower turn on threshold helps driving the PA? Or is it higher?